THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Just a minute, Voraji. Now it is 1.00 p.m. I think, we will complete this Bill, and, then, we will have a lunch break up to 2.30 p.m. Now, please continue Voraji, but be brief.

SHRI MOTILAL VORA: Sir, I rarely speak in the House.

ֳ֬ ( ׸֮): ֯ ׻֋, ׻֋

SHRI MOTILAL VORA: Sir I will conclude within five minutes.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You are such a senior leader, ֯ ׻֋

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SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (WEST BENGAL): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, I thank you for having given me the opportunity. At the outset, I will, definitely, compliment the hon. Minister of Petroleum and Natural Gas for bringing forward this Bill which envisages establishment of an Institute of national importance, for increasing the number of technologically competent people in the petroleum technology, particularly, the exploration technology in the country, of which there is a serious shortage. While complimenting this, let me also say that it is a belated step. Around 1970, the country's dependence on petroleum import was about 30 per cent. Now, I think it is 70 per cent plus. The way the demand of petroleum is increasing, vis-a-vis the petroleum being produced within the country, the dependence on petroleum imports is going to increase much more in the future. It will go beyond control. Steps to produce petroleum on a war-footing basis within the country need to be taken. It is not an impractical proposition. Many other countries which do not have petroleum reserves, that is, reserves of natural resources, they can't dream of it; they have to depend on imports. But, geologically, it has been proved that we have much more reserves which we are yet to exploit and produce petroleum.

(Contd. by 2B/PB)


SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (CONTD.): So, in that situation, India is having a very great potential, India is having immense potential for increasing its capacity to produce fuel inside the country, to produce this vital energy within the country. But our infrastructure, our manpower is not yet ready to take up that big challenge. So, in that situation, this effort of bringing up an Institute to increase the technological manpower of the country in the concerned field is a good step. However, it is belated. But better late than never. It is welcome.

The second point that I would like to suggest is, while the Institute of Petroleum Technology will be in place, we must stress more on exploration side and also on the refining side. There should be a balanced approach on both the sides. Why I am saying this is because if we see the problem being faced even in refining, Sir, the old refineries in our country are also facing problem vis-a-vis the latest refineries that have been set up in our country with updated technology. The main point is to take care of the additional sulphur content in the petroleum in the process of refining and also to keep the cost of refining within limit so that we can produce the refined petroleum both imported and domestically-produced in a cost-effective manner. In these areas also, there is dearth of enough technological manpower, technical manpower in the field of chemical engineering, in the fields of geological and metallurgical engineering. So, in these areas also, we have dearth of manpower and, I think, with this general engineering degree, they ought to also specialise, focus on the refining technology area as well. We must also promote research and development in these areas. I think, the Institute should also give due importance to the R&D work in fine-tuning the refining technology which we do have. We do have indigenous technology in our command to make it fine tuned, to take care of composition of the imported crude and to refine it at the least cost, so that the petroleum can be made available to the people at a cheaper rate. So, this area is also needed to be given due importance in the Institute's curriculum, and, on that also, I give my humble suggestion to the hon. Minister.

Sir, I think there is not much to be told, but the third point that I would like to make is this. As is clear from the Bill and also from the finding of the Standing Committee, the shortage is very high. As is mentioned in the Statement of Objects and Reasons, -- the hon. Minister also mentioned it while introducing the Bill -- there is a shortage of 36,000 personnel. But, Sir, the Minister should have given a break-up as to how much shortage is there in the exploration side and how much shortage is there in the refining side. So far as the exploration side is concerned, after NELP, newer fields are coming under exploration and that area also is getting more priority in the days to come. So, the break up of the shortage also needs to be looked into in deciding the number of seats in different wings, exploration technology side and also refining technology side. So, that also has to be looked into in deciding the number of seats in the concerned areas. But in spite of whatever number of seats a single Institute like this can ensure, the problem of shortage will still remain because the demand for the enough-petroleum-technology-competent people will increase. It is not only in India. As per the Report, India is supplying technologically-competent persons in this field for the entire Asia. That is a reality. Sir, we will produce students. But the moment they will get the offer of a fat salary from abroad, they will go out. So, the purpose will not be served. So, there should be creation of enough persons and, for this purpose, one Institute is not sufficient. (Contd. by 2c/SKC)


SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (CONTD.): Keeping that in view, I must compliment the hon. Minister again. The Bill contains a provision in section 10 which provides that the Institute can also establish campus and academic centres in different parts of the country. One Institute cannot meet the demand that is coming in a big way, particularly after the Sixth Round of NELP. More and more fields are being brought under exploration. At the same time, the pressure on the refining sector has also been increasing. That cannot be managed by just one Institute. So, I think, the provision is there in the law. While supporting the Bill wholeheartedly and while wishing it all the success, I also request the hon. Minister and, for that matter, the Government of India, to expedite the process simultaneously establishing campus and academic centres in different parts of the country. An Institute will be there at that particular place. At the same time, the Institute must plan and open campus and academic centres in different IITs throughout the country giving priority to the petroleum-rich areas in the country, particularly in the eastern part, in the North-East, in the southern part in the Cauvery-Godavari basin, as also in the western part of the country. Keeping that in mind, they must create campuses.

My last point is that the Institute is going to be funded from the Budget by the petroleum PSUs and from the OIDB funds. Its control, its leadership should also be tuned in that direction. We are setting up an Institute by spending so much money from the public exchequer. It should be for public good. So, it should be controlled by a public body, not a private body. That also must be ensured. And for that also, protection should be given.

With these suggestions, I again support the Bill and thank the hon. Minister. (Ends)

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THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (RPOF. P.J. KURIEN): Now, Shri Ekanath K. Thakur; not more than three minutes.

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR (MAHARAHSTRA): Sir, I am very happy that this Bill has been introduced and I support this move. Uttar Pradesh has a population more than that of Pakistan and, therefore, if the Government sets up an institute of national importance there, there is nothing to grudge about by anyone. But, while setting up institutes in future, areas like Assam and areas like Maharashtra where Bombay High was first discovered, should also be kept in view. This Institute will train professionals who will be experts in the entire hydro-carbon chain, that is, upstream, midstream and downstream. And, the Institute will look after the requirements of education, research, engineering and technology. India has always boasted of having the third largest engineering mind power and in the areas of petroleum and hydro-carbon. With this Institute of national importance, we may also be able to get the expertise that is need by us to explore our hydro-carbon resources. With the publication of the book, "Limits to Growth' in 1970s by the Club of Rome, it was pointed out as many as about 34 years ago that hydro-carbon resources are exhaustible. I think, while we undertake the search with satellites and earth observation satellites and other means of our hydro-carbon resources, as major nation which houses one-sixth of the total population of this planet, we should be in a position to know what is our total hydro-carbon wealth and if that prediction of Club of Rome is to come true that all our hydro-carbon resources are going to be exhausted over the next century, then we should know which are the areas which we are to conserve for future. For example, the United States of America have very large resources in Alaska. But, they have a policy decision not to exploit their resources till they first use and exploit all the oil and petroleum in the Arab lands and Soviet Russia. (continued by 2e - gsp)


SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR (CONTD.): Sir, we should have a policy about hydrocarbons as to which are the areas we are going to explore, which we are going to reserve for our progeny and posterity. Sir, I think, this research, which is going to be undertaken by this institute, will include these areas also so that we have certain strategic results. For example, if you see minerals, so far as iron ore is concerned, right now, it is being exported, in a big way, to China for the 2008 Olympics and to other parts of the world without having a holistic view as to what would be our requirement for infrastructure in the days to come. The Government has still not come up with a policy about many minerals. I am citing just one example. I think, we have a myopic policy, a very short-sighted policy, where our iron-ore is being exported in large quantities abroad, which, in a way, is threatening the future of infrastructure in our own country. While making these preliminary remarks, I want to invite the attention of the hon. Minister, Shri Murli Deora, who is a great friend of our Party also, towards Section 11, which says, "The institute shall be open to persons of either sex and of whatever race, creed, caste or class, and, no test or condition shall be imposed as to religious belief or profession in admitting or appointing students, teachers or employees or in any other connection whatsoever. (Time-bell)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Please conclude your speech.

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: Sir, am I expected to understand from this clause that the reservation policy would not be applicable to this institution because Section 11 says that there shall be no discrimination whatsoever against any student, any teacher or any employee, and, if the Government has gone this further and it wants to do everything on merit, I would like to take the opportunity to congratulate the hon. Minister and the Government for saying that there will be no discrimination on the ground of sex, race, caste, creed or religion.


SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: Sir, I have one very important suggestion to make. Under clause 13, it has been mentioned that the President of India shall be the Visitor of the institute. In case of Central Universities, the President of India is the Chancellor, and, in case of State Universities, the Governor is the Chancellor, and, then, the Chancellor's powers are defined. In clause 13, a small statement has to be made about the Visitor's powers. Moreover, Sir, the 'Visitor' has not been defined. Under clause 3 of the Act, every other authority has been defined but the term 'visitor' has not been defined. Therefore, the role and authority of the visitor should be defined.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please conclude now.

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: Sir, I am concluding. I have one more thing to mention. As far as the research work is concerned, there are so many basins, for example, Godavari basin and others, where the ONGC has partnership with the private sector. There are numerous complaints that the private sector, which has twenty or thirty per cent partnership, are bribing the officials of ONGC and other authorities, and, taking away a large part of hydrocarbons taken out from these areas thereby enriching themselves. So, the research should go in a direction that whenever we exploit resources from the ground or the sea, there should be a way of calculating before it is transported from that place and that should be an automatic system so that the country is not deprived of the revenues. Some industrialists are enriching themselves by causing...(Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): You have already made that point. Please conclude. (Interruptions)

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: Sir, they have a small partnership with ONGC and they scoop out a large amount of petroleum and that happens to be the only source of the growth of their industry or group. (Time-bell) This has to be borne in mind. I thank you for having given me the opportunity to make my points.


(Followed by 2f-sk)


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ָ : ֯ ֲ ֮־֤ ֿ ֯ ֯ , ֮־֤ (ִ֯)



"That the Bill to declare the institution known as the Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Petroleum Technology to be an institution of national importance and to provide for its incorporation and for matters connected therewith, be taken into consideration".


The motion was adopted.

(Followed by 2g)





THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): In Clause 2, there is one amendment (No.1) by the hon. Minister.


1.      That at page 2, line 2, for the word "Jias" the word "Jais" be substituted.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

Clause 2, as amended, was added to the Bill.



THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: In Clause 3, there is one amendment (No.2) by the hon. Minister.


2.      That at page 2, line 22, for the word "Jias" the word "Jais" be substituted.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

Clause 3, as amended, was added to the Bill.

Clauses 4 to 14 were added to the Bill.




THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: In Clause 15, there are four amendments (Nos.3-6) by the hon. Minister.


3.       That at page 6, line 39, for the words "the Chairman and Managing Director, Indian Oil Corporation" the words "the Chairman, Indian Oil Corporation Limited" be substituted.

4.       That at page 7, line 5, for the words and bracket "the Advisor (Energy)" the words and bracket "the Principal Advisor (Energy)" be substituted.

5.       That at page 7, line 8, for the words "the Dean, School of Chemical Technology" the words "the Director, University Institute of Chemical Technology" be substituted.

6.       That at page 7, line 9, for the words "Oil India Development Board" the words "Oil Industry Development Board" be substituted.

The questions were put and the motions were adopted.

Clause 15, as amended, was added to the Bill.

Clauses 16 to 40 were added to the Bill.



Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Title were added to the Bill.



That the Bill, as amended, be passed.


The question was put and the motion was adopted.




THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: The House stands adjourned to meet at 2.30 p.m.



The House then adjourned for lunch at

thirty-two minutes past one of the clock.