SHIVRAJ V. PATIL (CONTD.): With these words, I commend, Sir, that
the Proclamation issued on 20th November, 2007 under article 356(1)
of the Constitution in relation to the State of
The question was proposed.
VENKAIAH NAIDU (KARNATAKA): Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I agree
with the contention of the Government that in the present situation that there
is no possibility of any stable or meaningful Government to be formed in the
(The Vice-Chairman, Prof. P.J. Kurien, in the Chair)
The only way is to go in for fresh elections in the State of
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Because he is your friend.
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: He is my friend and a good friend also. He is a good person also. Though may not be in a good party, but he is a good man.
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Thank you for your good certificate with bad intention. ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, I would like to have the attention of the hon. Home Minister. Sir, I would like the hon. House to understand the background of the present move of this Government.
SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: Sir, I seek your permission to go to the other House.
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: If the other Minister is here, fine. ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: The Minister of State for Home Affairs is here. ...(Interruptions)...
VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, I would recall that the
Karnataka Legislative Assembly elections were held along with the Lok Sabha elections. In 2004, when elections were held to
the Karnataka Assembly, the Congress was in a comfortable majority in the State
SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: You had an MoU with your coalition partner. ...(Interruptions)... It was written on the paper. ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): You can reply when your turn comes. ...(Interruptions)... No disturbance, please.
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Did the people of Karnataka give the mandate to the BJP at that time? ...(Interruptions)... No, no; let him answer this point.
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SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: He is saying this thing about the Congress. Did the people of Karnataka give the mandate to the BJP? ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You can reply when your turn comes. Please continue.
VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, if my friends don't understand
arithmetic, don't know the numbers, I cannot help it. Sir, in the Lok Sabha elections...(Interruptions)...
Their point is, either they should rule or nobody should rule or they should
rule through backdoor. That has been their practice. Sir, the BJP, out of 28 Lok Sabha seats, got 18 Lok Sabha
seats from the
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU (CONTD.): The Congress Party's strength came down from 160-plus to 65. BJP's strength has gone up from 44 to 79. And, our ally, JD(U) got 5. That means the figure of 84 seats is more than the figure of 65. If my figures are right, I think, they will appreciate my point. Please try to bear with me.
Sir, they were the ruling party and the
ruling party has been reduced to minority. We were the opposition party. Our
strength got increased. But, at the same time, the people of Karnataka did not
give the full mandate to any political party. The BJP emerged as the largest
single party with an ally having 5 MLAs, making it
84. But 84 was short of majority. You need 113 to rule
the State of
At the same time, Sir, I would like to draw the attention of the House that both BJP and JD(S) contested elections against the Congress party. We were the non-Congress parties, opposition parties. They were the ruling party and they lost the mandate. What I am trying to say is, people had rejected them in 2004. That is my first point.
My second point is, after that, whatever may be the reasons, Congress party and JD(S) came together and formed a Government headed by Shri Dharam Singh. Sir, that Government also did not run its full term. Whatever may be the reasons, I do not want to go into the reasons. At the end of it, JD(S) MLAs said that they had been humiliated and their party was split by the Congress party, and the Congress encouraged defections; that is why, they are totally disgusted with the Congress party and they came out and said that they also had non-Congress blood in their veins, they made statements and I have relevant quote from the leader of that party also. Then, they said that they wanted to put an end to Congress rule in the State.
So, that being the case, the BJP thought, at that time after 20 months, that still 40 months were there, we thought, people normally did not favour frequent elections and MLAs too were not willing to face elections at that time. That was the mood at that time. Keeping that in mind, the BJP extended support to JD(S) to form a Government under its leadership. Sir, again I want to remind the number; we were 79, JD(S) MLAs -- whether came out of their parent organisation or split the parent organisation, whatever it is, it is their internal matter -- were around 40. We joined together and we gave a solemn assurance to the people of Karnataka that we would rule the State and we would have a Common Minimum Programme. We presented the Common Minimum Programme before the people and we came to an understanding that the Government's first turn of 20 months would be headed by JD(S) and the next turn would be headed by the Bharatiya Janata Party.
Accordingly, Sir, for 20 months, both JD(S) and BJP ruled the State and given to the people of the State a good governance. Many developmental activities were initiated, many welfare programmes were announced and also implemented; the people were by and large happy. That was evident by the results of the local body elections also, I am not going into the history in depth. That is very clear because both BJP and JD(S) though contested differently, we accounted for the 2/3rd and the Congress 1/3rd of the local body election results.
That being the case, Sir, afterwards when 20 months were completed, we expected JD(S) to honour its public commitment which was given to the people, to support the BJP Chief Minister. That did not happen. As that did not happen, they had gone back on their word and they were delaying it, and then we decided that we should not be part of that Government which did not honour the agreement. Accordingly, we have communicated the same to the hon. Governor, as rightly said by the hon. Home Minister, and subsequently the Chief Minister had to resign and then the Governor was faced with a situation that the Chief Minister had resigned and there was no alternative Chief Minister forthcoming at that time. At that time, I would like to stress this point: BJP said that because the JD(S) betrayed it, there was no other way but to go to the people. We started a Dharma Yatra also. We were approaching the people. There was tremendous enthusiasm among the people in favour of the BJP, and there was a groundswell of sympathy for the BJP because the largest single party, at the first instance, was denied an opportunity and at the second instance also, it had agreed to make a junior partner as the Chief Minister, and at the third instance, when its turn came, it was once again betrayed. That was the mood of the people!
We were going ahead with approaching the people because, you know, Sir, in democracy, there is no other way and when you do not get justice, you go to the people. (Contd. by kls/3b)
VENKAIAH NAIDU (CONTD): We were approaching the people. At
that time what had happened again that is another interesting thing the House
has to take note of. At that time the Congress Party once again started its
machinations and again started trying to woo certain sections of the JD (S) MLAs. They have
openly invited certain JD (S) leaders to
(MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN IN THE CHAIR)
The third instance, again, you have the audacity to publicly make
efforts to split the JD (S) again and form the Government. At that situation, we agreed with this and,
Sir, on 27th, we approached the hon. Governor and we informed him
"both BJP and JD (S) are coming together without any
conditions." We requested the
Governor to invite Shri V.S Yeddurapa
who is the leader of the single largest party and who is also head of the
coalition of these two parties to form the Government. But unfortunately the
Governor did not do anything. Secondly, on 29th, within two days of
this, as we were sensing, certain developments were taking place at the
national level and the manoeuvring of Congress Party still continuing, we went
to Governor. All the 129 MLAs met the hon. Governor and also presented themselves
and filed affidavits signed individually by each MLA before the hon. Governor
to convince him, "Sir, here is a clear cut majority for these two parties;
we have come together, there are no conditionalities
attached. Invite Shri
B.S. Yeddurapa to form the Government."
Fortunately, I was also there in
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU
(CONTD.): That was the statement
made on 24th and on 27th , we
approach him. On 29th, we
present ourselves. Nothing happens. Secondly, we are compelled to come to
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU (CONTD.): And, now, you give the credence to that letter and cite it as a reason for the delay. But, compelled to that fact that we present ourselves before the Governor, we present ourselves before the hon. Rashtrapati and present ourselves before the entire nation and when the entire country was convinced that we had the number and it was an un-conditional support which was explained by the leader of the JD(S) also at that time, and when the Centre was left with no other option, finally, the Governor had allowed the formation of the Government led by Shri Yeddyurappa, leader of the BJP in the State.
Here, again, the third point I would like to draw the
attention of this House is, as per the earlier record, in Goa, after
dismissing, you had given time for a minority Government to prove its majority
by manipulation. And, in Jharkhand, you
did the same thing. Here, just now, the
hon. Home Minister has said that the Governor had given the Chief Minister 8
days time! Why? When you have the crystal clear 129 MLAs presented themselves before you signing individual
affidavits, when two political parties come and present letters of support to
you, you give 8 days! Is it your
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point I want to say is that the Chief Minister, after taking the oath, said that
he would like to take floor test on 23rd, because the JD(S) said
that they would join on 21st.
But, you said, 'No. No 23rd. Do it on 21st.' Even if you give one day's time, if we
are capable of proving our majority, we have to prove it. If we are not able to prove our majority, we
have to go. We could not prove our
majority because of the action of the other party. I agree.
But, at the same time, I am asking about the stand of the Governor and
how the institutions are being misused.
Should we not take a serious note of what has happened in the State of
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Lakhs of people turned up.
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Some people have turned up like our friend Mr. Narayanasamy and various other leaders as they have to go and attend the rally. What can I do?
In between, the hon. Minister in the Prime Minister's
Office, if I am correct, Mr. Prithviraj Chauhan, visits
(CONTD. BY USY "3E")
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU (CONTD.): Is it the way to run a Government? Then, you are trying to preach morals to us; teach us how to run a Government, saying that you don't have a stable Government, and you don't have a right to comment. Once again, I am stressing upon the point that I had got more seats than you. You were in the ruling party. You had more than 165 seats. Now, you have been reduced to 65 seats. (Interruptions)
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: You did not have the majority. If majority was there why did you seek the support of JD(S). Then, they withdrew their support. They did not trust you. (Interruptions)
MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please let him continue. (Interruptions)
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: They trusted you. (Interruptions)
SHRIMATI PREMA CARIAPPA: You were there for twenty months. (Interruptions)
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: How many days? Earlier, we were there for thirteen days, and, then, came back for six years. Try to understand that. Yes, it happens. You have been in power for so many years. Still you leader has been defeated. You have been reduced to half, or, even less than that. All this is a part of history. (Interruptions) Sir, I am saying the same thing. My point is, you were rejected by the people. Accept it with humility. You are saying that the party, which got more seats, is defeated. You are saying, "I am defeated; I am rejected; I am power hungry!" We sat in Opposition for forty-five years. We did not do this sort of compromise in Sarkar and hara-kiri, the way in which it was happening -- one step forward, three steps backward, and making the situation awkward. We did not do it. Everybody knows what is happening in your Government. The entire country is watching. (Interruptions)
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: What about Ram Mandir and article 370, when you were in power. (Interruptions)
MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, please let him complete. (Interruptions)
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, I am happy that my friend, Narayanasamy, because he is swami, he wants Ram Mandir. We will move in that direction. We will do it. If not today, or, tomorrow, or, day after tomorrow, but the day is not far off when no force on the Earth will be able to stop the construction of Rama Temple at the birthplace of Lord Rama. (Interruptions) It is very clear. (Interruptions)
MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, we are missing the focus. (Interruptions)
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: The Common Civil Code also was not proposed
by the BJP. It was proposed by the
founding fathers of our Constitution. Do
you feel Mahatama Gandhi was wrong, Dr. Ambedkar was wrong, everybody was wrong, who had put in the
Directive Principles of Directive Policy, who had put in the Common Civil
Code? Even in the State of
MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let us come back to Karnataka. (Interruptions)
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, I have enough patience. We had been in Opposition for 45 years. I am ready to have patience. But Mr. Narayanasamy interrupts me. I have no problem. It is a happy interruption. (Interruptions) It is an interesting interruption. He is reminding us, time and again. I am thankful to him and other colleagues also.
My point is, instead of condemning this opportunism, instead of joining together the people's mood of condemning the betrayal, my Congress friends are deriving a satisfaction, which is called a vicarious satisfaction. The vicarious satisfaction is that the BJP has been denied after taking our support. So, they are very happy. Do you want such a situation to come here also? Are you waiting to come such a situation here also? We had, in good faith, accepted the JD(S). We had allowed them to rule the State for twenty months. We had given our full cooperation. We had performed our responsibility. Is it a big sin? Is it a big sin to expect that from a party, which takes our support for twenty months and enjoys power, to reciprocate the same after their tenure is over?
(THE VICE-CHAIRMAN, PROF. P.J. KURIEN, IN THE CHAIR.)
Is it new to
Indian politics? It is a betrayal. Do you want to heckle the other side? Do you want to enjoy this because it gives
you vicarious satisfaction? If that is
the mood of the Congress Party, I will leave it to the collective wisdom. I have no problem on that. We are very clear that the people are with
us. An opportunity will come right now.
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU (CONTD.): Sir, Karnataka's BJP history is like this. We had four Members, we had 8 Members, we had 18 Members, we had 38 Members, we had 40 plus Members, and, now, we are having 80 Members. Next time, it will be mighty. This time, it was in Opposition, but next time, it will be in position. That is the position with regard to Karnataka. Nobody will be able to stop us. And, if you do more such things, -- and for this drama, they bring the good names of Shri Rajasekharan, ...(Interruptions).. †Ö¯Ö Ø“ÖŸÖÖ ´ÖŸÖ Ûú×¸ü‹ ®ÖÖ, because of that only you are able to spend that money which we earned for the sake of the country, otherwise, you could not have done anything.
Sir, my point is, you try to bring in names of people, who had some reputation, and, then, try to suggest, one day this man will be the Chief Minister; one day that man will be the Chief Minister. Sir, there was a cartoon in the Times of India. I don't want to take big names in this House. The cartoon says this. They have put Mahatma Gandhi's photo and Rs. 1000 note and say, "I promise to pay the bearer Rs. 1000/-." And the latest cartoon was, they put a photo of JD(S) Leader and say, " I promise not to pay Rs. 1000 to the bearer of this letter." This is the way the people are ridiculing that Party; the JD(S) for betraying the BJP, after enjoying power. Now, again, you are trying to hold talks with them. You try to ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Why did you join them? ...(Interruptions)... You enjoyed it, for the first time, after 20 months. ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Please sit down. (Interruptions)..
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: I have not enjoyed anything...(Interruptions)..
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: You enjoyed it.
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, my entire approach is to prevent this
party, which ruled and ruined the State of the country for more than 40
Since they have been known for manoeuvring politics and backdoor entry, we
stepped in, otherwise, we were willing for election.
You ask your Governor, you ask your Central Government, in the first instance,
after Shri Kumaraswamy
resigned, why you did not dissolve the Assembly. Why have you not called a special session of
the Parliament? Why have you sent your
Minister in PMO to
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please, sit down. ...(Interruptions)... You can speak when your chance comes. ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, what is this? What is this running commentary? ..(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please, Mr. Narayanasamy ... (Interruptions)...
SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: He is the Chief Whip, he should restrain himself, otherwise, what will happen is that when a speaker from the Congress Party will speak, he will face the same thing. ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Mr. Venkaiahji, please proceed. ..(Interruptions)... Please stop it. ...(Interruptions)...
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THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Pani, allow him to speak. ...(Interruptions).. Mr. Pani, please sit down. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Venkaiah Naidu, please continue. ...(Interruptions).. Mr. Siddiqui, please sit down. ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir,
nobody can teach or preach lessons to the Congress Party. They are above everything. They are above everything. I am a small man, Samyji. I am a common man. You are a great Samy,
and your party is also a great party.
Everybody knows it. But, I am
only trying to remind you what happened, from time to time, with regard to
Jharkhand, with regard to
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamyji, please sit down. ...(Interruptions)... Please sit down. ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: What
has happened in Karnataka is a mockery of democracy. ...(Interruptions)... We are capable of taking them and his party on
this. Let us not worry about that. My point is, what has happened in the State
(Continued by PK/3G)
VENKAIAH NAIDU (CONTD.): I would like to put on the record
that the so-called conditionalities were not about
people's welfare, were not about any public issue. Can there be any discussion on issues like
"You give this portfolio, I enjoyed it for 20 months, and, again, you will
be in the same portfolio." These
are matters for mutual consultation by political parties. Some people are saying, they are trying to
give an impression, as if we have failed to sign an MoU. MOUs are, normally for setting up a plant in Nandigram, Singur or some other
place! This is how the Government and industries
come together for an MoU. But I have never seen an occasion where
somebody suggested that you sign an MoU for forming the Government, and in which you say that
the posting of senior IAS and IPS has to be given to somebody, that too on the
stamp paper. This never happens. What
has happened to the solemn assurance given to the people of Karnataka in front
of lakhs of people is there in front of us. So that
being the case, the BJP leadership, after having consultation, decided not to
accept this. Sir, in a coalition, I
agree that there always has to be some give-and-take approach. We have seen the give-and-take approach of
our hon. Prime Minister also, even of the Congress President. After having said that the people who are
opposing nuclear deal are enemies of the nation and its development, finally
they said "one issue is not the end of the life"! So, that sort of give-and-take approach we
are seeing, in the present situation, in the Centre also. That being the case,
you say that you are perfect; don't make any attempt; don't come anywhere near
to power; don't even ask for reciprocation; you allow us continuously to rule
the country and ruin the country. So,
this is the attitude. Our friends should
understand that these people who have ruled the country for years together, and
ruined the country, and now, they are again trying to divide us, ridicule us,
and then say, " only we can rule, nobody else can rule; otherwise, we
would be back to rule through backdoor; this is not permitted. I am happy that wisdom has finally prevailed upon
the Union Government. Having failed in their attempt to split JD (S) once again after this
experiment, they have not learnt a
lesson, even after having realised that this is not going to succeed. As there
is all-round condemnation, they have now come forward and are saying, " if the House agrees for this Resolution that means,
the Assembly of Karnataka will be dissolved." This is what the hon. Home Minister has
said. He was compelled to say it, because
they have exhausted all other methods.
Had there been even one per cent of chance, they would not have left it.
We have in front of us the live of what has happened in Jharkhand, Goa and also
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): You can't criticise Governors' action.
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, I am not taking names. I am talking about the institution. Yes, Governor's institution being reduced ..(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): No, please. (Interruptions).. (Followed by 3H/PB)
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No; to criticise a Governor, there should be a substantive motion.
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: I have. I have, Sir. ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No; no; on Governor's act ... ...(Interruptions)... That is not ... ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, the Council of States has got a right ... ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No; no; please sit down. ...(Interruptions)... That is between us. ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: No; Sir, it is not between you, him and me. The point is, why we are discussing the issue that we are discussing at present is because it is an act of a Governor. ...(Interruption)... Certainly, we will discuss. Why will we not discuss? ...(Interruptions)... We have to discuss. ...(Interruptions)... It was not an Akashvani. ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No; no; please don't make that an issue. ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, when we are discussing the recommendations of the Governor, how is it that we will not mention the name of a Governor? ...(Interruptions)... What is this? ...(Interruptions)... What is it? ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You can mention. I said, "Don't criticise."
SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, it is not an Akashvani. It is not an Akashvani. ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): You know the rules. ...(Interruptions)... You know the rules. ...(Interruptions)...
SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, it is not an Akashvani. ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Venkaiahji is doing a good job. Please proceed. But how much more time do you need?
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, I am only
talking about the misuse of the institution of the Governor. This is the point, not per se one individual who is sitting in
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: For that, there should be a substantive motion. ...(Interruptions)... You know the rules. ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please proceed. ...(Interruptions)...
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The last point that I want to stress, Sir, is that why we need a clear-cut majority because the people have enough experience. If nobody gets majority, these sort of things are likely to happen. That is why, there is a need for a clear-cut majority for a particular party. Sir, which is the party which is the victim? Which is the party which is the front-runner? Which is the party which is the largest in the last year elections? It is the Bhartiya Janata Party.
I am sure, Sir that the people of Karnataka will give a clear-cut verdict in favour of Bhartiya Janata Party. I only urge upon the Government that once this House approves this Resolution today, don't dilly-dally the matter further because you have the courage, you have the conviction, you are taking the bold steps, you demanded the election earlier; so, fix the election date immediately at the earliest.
(Followed by 3j/SKC)
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): It is already a part of the statement; it is already there.
SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, it is a part of the statement but holding elections is the only solution, because then they may wait for another six months and rule the State through the back door. This is the point I am trying to make; my point is, without loss of further time, they must approach the Election Commission and take steps. It is the Central Government which has to do this because once the Assembly is dissolved, there would be only the Central Government in the picture. Please see to it that elections are held at the earliest. If you are really interested, if you are really confident of facing the people, then, do not commit the mistake of again trying to prolong it on the plea that ²Öß•Öê¯Öß ÛúÖê ×ÃÖ´¯Öî£Öß ×´Ö»ÖêÝÖß… †ÝÖ¸ü †“”ûÖ ÛúÖ´Ö ×ÛúµÖÖ Æîü, ŸÖÖê ×ÃÖ´¯Öî£Öß ×´Ö»ÖêÝÖß, ×ÛúÃÖß ¯ÖÖ™üá Ûêú ÃÖÖ£Ö †®µÖÖµÖ Æãü†Ö ÆüÖê, ŸÖÖê ×ÃÖ´¯Öî£Öß ×´Ö»ÖêÝÖß… Æü´Ö®Öê †®µÖÖµÖ ×ÛúÃÖß Ûêú ÃÖÖ£Ö ×ÛúµÖÖ ®ÖÆüà, Æü´ÖÖ¸êü ÃÖÖ£Ö †®µÖÖµÖ ÆüÖê ÝÖµÖÖ… Æü´Ö®Öê Ûãú”û †“”êû ÛúÖ´Ö ³Öß ×Ûú‹ Æïü, Æü´ÖÖ¸êü ´ÖãÜµÖ ´ÖÓ¡Öß †Öî¸ü ¯ÖÆü»Öê ˆ¯Ö ´ÖãÜµÖ ´ÖÓ¡Öß Ûêú ÛúÖ¸üÞÖ Æü´ÖÖ¸üß »ÖÖêÛú×¯ÖÏµÖŸÖÖ ²ÖœÍü ÝÖ‡Ô… ‡ÃÖ×»Ö‹ ´Öê¸üÖ ÛúÆü®ÖÖ Æîü ×Ûú in the interest of democracy, as per the spirit of the Constitution, keeping even the S.R. Bommai case and the Bihar Assembly dissolution case in mind, the Assembly should be dissolved forthwith and elections announced immediately.
With these words, Sir, I thank you for having given me this opportunity. (Ends)
SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY (KARNATAKA): Sir, I thank you very much for giving me this opportunity. The hon. Member from Karnataka, who was born and bought up in Andhra Pradesh, got elected twice from Karnataka. He has made several charges against the Congress Party with a lot of vehemence.
Sir, the truth is not with him or with his party. In the initial stage, while presenting his case, he had admitted that there was no mandate. I would like to explain things to you and through you, to him and also to this august House. In the 2004 elections, BJP got 79 seats with 28 per cent of the votes; the Congress got 65 seats with about 36 per cent of the votes and the JD(S) got 58 seats with 20 per cent of the votes. For the information of the hon. Member, BJP has lost its deposits in 46 seats; JD(S) has lost deposits in 96 seats and the Congress has lost deposits in only 6 seats. This is the position. Nobody has been given the mandate, not the Congress, not the BJP and not the JD(S). But what had happened? The people of Karnataka did not want their party to run the Government. They are dubbed as communal foes. If the party is given the power, they would saffronise the entire State, as they have done...(Interruptions)...
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SHRI SURENDRA LATH: The people have rejected you. ...(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. (Interruptions) Please stop it, Mr. Pani. Don't make noise unnecessarily. What is this?
SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Mr. Pany, I respect you. I am told that you are an honest and simple person and you are unmarried too! So, I respect you, but please listen to me ...(Interruptions)...
Sir, the political situation in Karnataka is stinking. It is most unfortunate and that is why, I rose to speak with some anguish. The people there are disgusted by the dirty, opportunistic politics of the BJP and the Janata Dal, which have tarnished the fair name of Karnataka and caused irreparable damage to the reputation of the State.
(Contd. by 3k/hk)
SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY (CONTD.): You represent the Council of States from Karnataka. In your speech here you have stated, immediately after the downfall of the Government, our friends rushed to media and gave a statement saying that it was the worst type of betrayal in the Indian history. Let him deny. By whom? By JD(S), not by the Congress. Sir, why did the Congress form Government with JD(S)? It was formed to keep the communal forces out. The understanding arrived that there should be Congress-led Government with Janata Dal for five years, not for twenty months. That was the clear understanding. But what had happened? When twenty months was over, when the Government of Congress and JD(S) was running smoothly, this BJP -- Yeddyurappa and some five or six people -- hatched the conspiracy. They went to the house of Kumaraswamy at that time through the backdoor. It is not stated by me; it is stated by the person who mediated, the famous lawyer, and who defended, he claimed to have defended, ten thousand cases of workers of this party. And they hatched the conspiracy to topple the Government. Why was this betrayal? Why was this conspiracy? It was to get the power. They are power-hungry. I will prove that. The question before the nation is: Is it not betrayal? Is it not cheating? Then, Sir, the Government was formed under the leadership of Shri Kumaraswamy. At that time, our great former Prime Minister started crying before the people. He did not approve it, according to him. He pretended as if he were sick or on death bed. But after the formation of the Government with BJP, he reconciled and appreciated his son. What had happened before that? He stated, it is on record, if the Government is formed it will be on his grave. The Government was formed and it was decided that they would rule the State for twenty months for JD(S) and twenty months for BJP. They were very happy. After that, what had happened? We have not touched them. We did not hatch any conspiracy like them. They themselves quarrelled. Every day, there were statements making allegations against each other. One party was saying that Chief Minister is corrupt and another party Ministers were saying that Chief Minister is not competent and he is corrupt. We did not do anything. They were making allegations against the Chief Minister. (Contd. by 3L/KSK)
SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY (CONTD): They have stated that he is a dacoit, and he has swallowed Rs.150 crores in mines deal. The Congress has not made these allegations. It is your party M.L.C., Mr. Bhandary, who has done it. Then, what has he stated? He has stated that this Chief Minister is trying to kill him. He lodged a complaint with the police station. Has the Congress done it? What has the high-command of BJP done here about it? Did they deny it? Did they condemn it? They will not do it. Then, Sir, there was BJP Minister going before the police station and holding dharna and saying that Mr. M.P. Prakash, another Minister of JD(S) Government, should resign making allegations. Has the Congress done it? The BJP is putting blame on Congress. Then, Sir, what has the MLC from BJP done? He has gone to the High Court and he has gone to the Supreme Court saying that these people are corrupt; the Chief Minister of Karnataka is a corrupt fellow and he made lot of money. We have not made that allegation. The BJP wants to put the blame on us. Then, Sir, what have they done? Why has the Government fallen? It is not because of us. Their JD(S) partner has given advertisement in one-and-a-half pages throughout the newspapers of the State making a chargesheet against them stating that they are corrupt; they are anti-secular; the people of Karnataka are not safe in their hands. We have not made it. Then, what has happened? Whether there is truth. Sir, there are...(Interruptions).
Then, Sir, in my district, within a short span of one month, there were communal riots twice. The curfew was imposed. Two Muslims were killed. Did they shed any tears? Then, Sir, there was retaliation also. One Hindu was killed and, then, two Hindus were killed in police firing. That was their governance. That was their rule and they wanted to poison the minds of the people, and it is not our charge; it is the charge of their own partner, who is running day-to-day administration in the Government. Sir, we suffered a lot. Within a short span of two months, once, there was curfew for five days. People were not allowed to go out; no water, no milk, no vegetables. They could not go to shops also. That was the position. And, poor people could not go to work to earn their daily wages. That was the situation. That is the governance these people have given. Shri Venkaiah Naidu is not here. He should hear it. And, they are putting the blame on us, the Congress people. Then, who has withdrawn the support? We have not withdrawn the support. (continued by 3m - gsp)