PREVIOUS HOUR

SC-PB/3.00/2M

ָ֕ ״ (֟) : ֬և ֮ ֵ ֙ ־֕ ٟ ִ פ, פ -߯־ֻ - -߯־ֻ ֮ ָ֤֮ ָ ֮և ָ ִ֮ ֙ ԅ ָ ׸, ִֻ֮ , ֲ ִ ָïָ ֤־ ֣ ֻ ָ ׸ ֯ ֣ , ֣ ״ֻ ִ , Ͽ֮ ֮ ׮ֵו֟ ָ ָ ֲֻ ֛օ ָ ֲֻ ׻֋ ֯ 㯟ָ֓ߵ ־ã ֛, ֯ ֬׮ִ á ו֟ ֛օ 㯟ָ֓ߵ ־ã ׻֋ ֬׮ִ  ֛ ֲֻ ׿ֵ֟ ־ֿ ֛ ֟ ؓ֟ ֛߅ ֪ׯ ֟ ֵ, ߴ֮ ֟߿ ״ ָ , ָ ָ ֤ ֮ ֟ ߆ևԛ ֟ , ו ײֻ ִ֟ ֲ ߆ևԛ ײָ ֟ ִ֟ פ ֵ , ׮ִֿ Ù ֯ ו֋, ֯ ָ ־ã֟ ׸, ו ָ֬ ָ ִ , ִ ִ ֻ ָ-ָ 㯟ָ֓ߵ ־ã ָ ß ֛߅ ׾ֵ֮ יָ ֟ ֮ ֟ , ׸ ֟ Ӳ׬֟ ׾ֳ ӡ ӡֵֻ , ֜ ֟օ ֜ ָ ־ã ֟߅ ֟ ֤֟ ִ , ֤֟ ֕ , ֟ , ײָ֤ , , ִֻ֮ ֤֟ ֤֟ ߴ֮, ָ ֟ ֳ ִֻ֮ ֤֟ ֟ , ûִ - ݵ֮֕ ֟ ִֻ֮ , ״ֻ 1857 ן ֲ֤ß ׻ֵ 1857 ן Ӥ ִֻ֮ ãׯ֟ , ãׯ֟ ֕ ֺ ׻֋ ִ ϵ֟ ָ ֻ օ ָ ִ ϵ֟ ִֻ֮ ֤֟ ָ ֟ , ֮ ֣ ܵ ָ ֣ ֟פ ׾ֹ ׳ֵ֮ ֻ֮ ֛ ׳ֵ֮ ֻ֮ ָָ ׾ֱ ׻֋ ָָ וִָ ָ Ù ־֮Դ ֮ וִָ ֮֟ , ־֮Դ וִָ ֮֟ ߴ ֤ ו ֮֮ߵ ִ ֻ֮ օ ׾ֵ ֲ ׾ֵ ׻֋ ? ӡ 㯟ָ֓ߵ ׾ֳ ִֻ ׾ֱ ֵ ֻ ׾ֱ ֵ ִ ֻօ ݵ֮֕ ֟ ָ ߮ ֤֟ ֟ , ֟ ױ ָ Ͽ׮ ־ã ָ֮֓ ֤ ׻֋ ֤֟ ֙֋ - - ֲָ ױ ֻ ֻ , ֮ ֻ ֲ ָ֟ ãן ֮ ָ ֻ ֻ , ׾ñ ֻ , ֮ ״ֻ֮ ־֕ ß ־ã , ֮־ָ ֳ֯ן , ָ ֵ֮, ן ָ ֵ֮ , פ Õ֤ , ָ ֵ֮ ֻ פ ָ ֵ֮, , Õ֤ ָ ֵ֮ ָ ֵ֮ , ֵֵֻ ָ ֮ ָ ӡ ß , ֵֵֻ ӡ ̲֕ ßִ , ß ׻֋ ִ ֲ ׾ָ֓ ֛օ ֙ ֟ ֮֕ן ָ ֛ ֲ ֟ ֮֕ן ָ ָ ֻ֮ , , ִ ִ ֯ ֟ ֮ ֮և (2-ߋ ָ ֟)

2n/3.06/skc-mcm

ָ֕ ״ (֟) : ֮ ֮և ֟פ כ

ֳ֯ : ִ֯

ָ֕ ״ : ָ, ״֮֙ օ ֮ ֮֮ ָ , ֯ և ֮, ״ֵ ֵ ִ ָ ֮ ֮ ֲֻ֟ օ ָ ֵ ֵ ׻֋ ־ã ׸ ׻֋ ֮־ָ, ױ ֺ 00 ֟ ևԅ ָ ֤֟ ׾ֹ 00 , þ֟ ָ ֵ ָ֟ ֵ ֋, ؓ֟ ֛߅ ֮ ֮֮ ־ֿ ֮ ֮֮ ֣ ָ ׌ כ , כ ֻ ֤ ֻ ֛ ָ ׻֋ ִ֙ Ù ָ ָ֬ Ӥ ָ ֻ כ ֟ և ֮֕ן ֵ֤ , ֕߮ן ֵ֤ , ָ ֮ , כ ָ כ ֵ ֮ ֤֟ ãן ָ ֟ ֮֕ן ָ ׾ָ֓ Ù ֟־ ֚ פ ......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ : ָ֕ , ִ֯ ו֋?

ָ֕ ״ : ׻֋ ָָ ֮ וִָ ֮ וִָ ִד֟ ׮־ ׾ֵ ֮ ָ ׳ֵ֮ ֻ֋ ֤֟ ָ ִ ֱ ֋, ָ ִ ׾ֵ֕ ֯ , ָ ֮ ׸ ִ ֮ ֙ , ֵֵֻ ָ ֙ ߅ ֮֯ ָ פ ׻֋ - ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI (MAHARASHTRA): Mr. Deputy Chairman Sir, a very important discussion is taking place in this House. I am, indeed, thankful to you for giving me an opportunity to speak.

Sir, what happened in Uttar Pradesh is known to everybody and everybody is worried about the terrorist activities taking place in our country. I have gone through the statement made by the hon. Minister very carefully, and I felt that such statements have been made in the House a number of times; there is nothing new about it. If we go through the earlier statements made by hon. Ministers, we would find that the same kind of statements are being repeated in the House again and again.

ָ : ָ, ֮֮ߵ ӡ 㲲ִָ , ו֋

ֳ֯ : , ֲ

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI: Sir, his contention is that the Ministers have been sleeping and, therefore, such activities are taking place.

0 ִ ӛָ : ָ, ֬ , ֮֬

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The Ministers are thinking!

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI: Sir, the incidents took place in Uttar Pradesh but this has repercussions all over the country because it is not the first time that such incidents have taken place. As for me, I have seen it right from 1992 when such attacks took place in the city of Mumbai. Thereafter, the activities continued for a pretty long time. Terrorist activities are increasing in all parts of our country. We keep discussing it in the House without any results. Speeches are made and Government always gives assurances, as it has done in the last paragraph.

(Contd. by 2o/hk)

HK/2o/3.10

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI (CONTD.): They have said, "We will not allow these anti-national forces to disturb peace and communal harmony in the country." It means, the Government is aware about the seriousness of these incidents. The question before all of us is, whether proper actions are being taken, whether the Government is very serious and whether the Government really wants to stop these activities. During this discussion, the emphasis should be that in future no such bomb blasts take place in our country. The question is, whether by debate or discussion these things can be achieved. Nobody is sure about his life in our country. The Constitution of India itself guarantees the right to live. But, is this right to live given by this Government to us today? If you ask me, Sir, I would say that the whole country is in danger today. Nobody knows what will happen in any part of the country at any time. The lives of Indians have become very serious and this is only because we are not prepared to accept the facts as they are. We talk of national integration; we talk of unity of the country, but, at the same time, we are not prepared to take strict measures to stop the terrorism and to stop the activities which take place everywhere in the country. Sir, therefore, my first suggestion would be, the strict enforcement of laws is absolutely necessary and all of us unanimously decide that wherever necessary we will take the action and those who are arrested for terrorism we would never stand by them. Sir, the incident is known to everybody that in the House there was a discussion also about Afzal Guru. We have demanded in this House that Afzal Guru should be hanged forthwith. How many months have passed? I am sure, if Afzal Guru is punished, terrorists would not dare to do what they did again in Uttar Pradesh. But is this House prepared to pass a unanimous resolution that Afzal Guru should be hanged forthwith? We are not prepared to do it for political interests. I would only say that we always divide on such issues because we give more importance to politics than discouraging terrorism in the country. Sir, I do not understand why we are afraid of everything. If there is a terror of terrorists, then there should be terror about the Government also. Those who do such types of anti-national activities must get scared as to what would happen if they are arrested. (Contd. by 2p/KSK)

KSK/ASC/3.15/2P

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI (CONTD): Sir, according to me, it is not impossible to stop terrorism, provided the Government seriously wants to do it. But, this is very unfortunate that the Government is not prepared to take steps. The enforcement of law is not being done in the country and, therefore, the state-sponsored terrorism has also not stopped. The question is raised whether all Muslims are terrorists. I would say that we have never said that all Muslims are terrorists, but, at the same time, the Government has also accepted in the House that state-sponsored terrorism is there, and if state-sponsored terrorism is there, we all know that this is...(Interruptions). I am referring to Pakistan, the cross-border terrorism...(Interruptions). Terrorists have gone to such an extent that the Parliament House was also attacked. I remember, when the Parliament House was attacked, my Party had made a demand that if the Government did not want terrorism in this country, our country must be brave enough to attack Pakistan. But, we did not do it because we were always involved in politics. According to me, only two things are enough to stop all these things. Number one, our country must attack Pakistan so that the terrorists will get scared...(Interruptions).

SHRI AMAR SINGH: This is very wrong...(Interruptions).

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: This is highly objectionable...(Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Where are we going?...(Interruptions).

׾ֵ֮ יָ : , פ ...(־֮֬)..

֮ ֟ ...(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ֯ ך ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ָָ ...(־֮֬)..

ֵָ : ה ß֮ ֻ֟ ? ...(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ̴֕ , ֯ כ...(־֮֬).. ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)..

֯ ך....(־֮֬)..

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Hundreds of reports point out that Pakistan is the breeding centre of terrorism...(Interruptions).

ֳ֯ : ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)..״Ù , ֯ ך ִ ? ..(־־֮֬)..ך Please, conclude.

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: We are saying that we should attack the terrorist camps...(Interruptions).

.. ׻ֵ : ֮ ֻ֟ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ : ך, ך ...(־֮֬)..

.. ׻ֵ : ׸ ָ Pakistan is the breeding centre of terrorism. What is wrong in attacking their camps?...(Interruptions).

SHRI AMAR SINGH: Attacking terrorist camps is different....(Interruptions).

ֳ֯ : ֟ ? ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ך ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ך ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ך, ֯ ך ..(־֮֬)..֯ ׻֋, ߕ ו֋ ..(־֮֬). ֯ ך Mr. Manohar Joshi is enough to defend himself....(Interruptions).

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI: My first point is that if terrorists are coming from Pakistan and if these terrorists, in one way or other, are supported by Pakistan, and if we do not want further...(Interruptions).

ֳ֯ : , Allow him to speak....(Interruptions). ֯ ֟ , ֟ ? ..(־֮֬).. ֋, ָ ֈ ֛օ ָ֕ ֯ ן֕ ֯ ו֋

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI: If you really want to tackle terrorism, we have to take strict steps in the country. This is very unfortunate that number of people are of the opinion that this is the best way to stop cross-border terrorism, but they do not want to take any action against Pakistan. I would like to ask such people as to why they think so and how they will be able to save the lives of the people of our country...(Interruptions). I will finish within one or two minutes.

Secondly, as I have already said, in our country, we are unnecessarily following the method of humanity for people towards are culprits. (continued by 2r - gsp)

AKG-GSP/2Q/3.20

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI (CONTD.): Sir, as regards Afzal Guru, if you hang him, I am sure, other terrorists will also be scared, and they would never be able to do such acts. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You have already made that point very clear.

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI: Therefore, I would say that such type of statements would not be enough to save the lives of the people, if the Government really wants to save them. Thank you very much.

(Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: All the major parties have exhausted the time allotted. Now, I will give two minutes each to the remaining Members so that we can conclude. (Interruptions) ֋, strength ָ ߮ ֤ , ֲ 50 ֤ ... (־֮֬) ...

ק : ָ, י פ օ ״ֻօ

شری شاہد صدیقی : سر، میں نے نوٹس دیا تھا۔ مجھے ابھی تک موقع نہیں ملا۔

ֳ֯ : ֮ ׸Ù This is not the only business. There is other business also. (Interruptions) opportunity I am calling you. ֯ ։ ... (־֮֬) ...

ߴ֟ Ӥ ָ : ָ, ֯ ָ ָֻ ק ו֋

ֳ֯ : օ Should I not say 'stick to the time-limit'? I have to regulate. (Interruptions) Shri Abu Asim Azmi. You have made a special request for two minutes.

ִ ̴֕ (ָ Ϥ) : ָ, ֮֯ ֌ פօ ֱ ׸ױ֮ ֲ - ֤֟ ֻ , פ և ֕ʹ֟ ֮։ , ֲ֤ ָ , ֕ʹ֟ כӛ ֻ--ֻ ָ ֋ ָ ֙ פ ֋ ߕ Ѭ ָ ֻ ߻ ? ֕߾ Ѭ ׮ Ѭ ֻ ߻ ? , ֤֟ , ֕ ו֋, ̸ ֌ ו֋ ָ, ֵ , ִ ֻ֮ , ֻ ֋, ߻ , ֻ ִ ׸Ù , ֟ ו֋ ֌ דֽ ׻ ֯ Ԯֻ ִֻ ֻ , ֮֟ ֻ֮ ו֋, ֱ ֋օ ׻֋ ״׮Ù ֋ , ߻ ? ָ ߻ ָ ָ, ֟ ֱ ֟ ֋օ , ָ ָ , ו֋, ָ ֵ ? ... (־֮֬) ... ָ, ֟ և

ָ, ָ ֚ , ִ ףֵָ خ ֯ ̸֕ ָ ? ֯ ֲ ו֋ ֟ , ָ ֻ ֟ , ָ ֻ ָ ֟ ֙ ׻י ײֻ ָ ֟ פ ִ֮ ָ ֤֟ ֟ ָ, ֤֟ ֟ ? ָ, 㻴 ևֱ ֤֟ ָ, ֯ ֕ ו֋ ֻѾ Ù , ֱ פ ֵ ֲ֤ , 㴲և , 6 פ ֵօ ״׮Ù ֟֋ ֮ ? ? ָ, ָ ? ָ, ָ ֮֟ ָ ֤ ׻ֵ ֋ ׻ ֤֟ ֻ, ֤֟ ֵօ ָ, 㴲և דֻ-דֻ 㴲և ־ Ù ֵָ ߲߆և , , ֟ , ָ ֛֯ ֋ ֯ ߲߆և ֵָ ֵ ֤֟ , ָָ ָ ָ ? ָָ ֮- ֤֟ ֮֮ ? ... (־֮֬) ...

ֳ֯ : ֯ ïߓ ָ Ϥ ֯ ß֮ ֻ ֋

ִ ̴֕ : , ָ ... (־֮֬) ... ֜-׻ ֤֟ ֲ֤ß ֋, ָ֙ Ù , ָ ѓ-ѓ ֻ ֤ ֋ ָ, ֤֟ ָ ֻ , ? ֯ ָ ֻ--ֻ, ׻־ֻ ָָ ֲ֤ß ֤֟ ֮ , ָ , ָ ֯ ... (־֮֬) ...

ֳ֯ : ֯ ׸ױ֮ ֵ, ֯ ך Please conclude.

ִ ̴֕ : , ָ, ֟ ԅ ָ, ߕ פ ׮ֵ ֲ ֛ ֤֟ , ׯ֔ ֮֟ ו ָ ױ׻ß߮ ... (־֮֬) ...

ֳ֯ : ֋, ֯ ֯ ׮ֵ ֻ ֋ ... (־֮֬) ...

ִ ̴֕ : ָ , ֕ ױ׻ß߮ ִֻ֮ ׮ ָ ... (־֮֬) ...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: That is not the issue. (Interruptions) That is not the issue. ֋, ֯ ִֵ , ק օ

ִ ̴֕ : ָ, ֯ - ִ֮ ׿ֿ ו֋

ֳ֯ : ֯ օ

ִ ̴֕ : ״׮Ù ֤֟ ֜ ߔ ߕ (2ָ ָ ֿ:)

SCH/3.25/2R

ִ ̴֕ (֟): ו֮ ָ 㻴 , ָ ֮ ״ֻ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן: ֯ ֟ ו֋ ...(־֮֬) ק , ֯ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)

ִ ̴֕: ָ ̟֕ ևԋֆև ֿ-- ֜֋Ӆ ָ, ֟ ֮֮ , ״׮Ù ֲ ֟ ־ֲ ֮־֤, օ

(ִ֯)





ק (ָ Ϥ): ֟ ֱ ָ ֤ ß֮ ִֻ֮ ֤֟ ֱ ֱ ׻֋ ß֮ , ׮ֵ ֤֟ ֲ ֛ ׿ָ ִֻ֮ ו ֯ û״ ֤֟ , ûִ ֤֟ , ָ ֛ ֯ Ӥ, ֯ , ֯ ֛, ׮ֵ ִֻ֮ , ß֮ ִֻ֮ , ֤֟ ֛ ָ ֛և

֮֮ߵ ֤õ: ָ ָ ָ

ֳ֯ן: ִֻ֮ ֟ , ֯ ָ ָ ...(־֮֬) ß ...(־֮֬)

ק: ָ, ֲ ֤֟ , ָ֮ , ꬵ , ֲ֤ ֮։ , ֯ ִֵ , ִֻ֮ ֮ ָ ֮ ֓ ֟ ֱ ֮ ֓ ׻Ù , ֟ ׮ֻ , ֟ ֋, ִ ֤ ָ ֛ פ ֟ ֲ ֤֟ ֻ ִֻ֮ , ׻׾̮֕ ֻ ָ ֟ ֯ ֱֻ , ־ֲ ו֋? ֟ , - ֟ , ֟ , ױ ֟ ־ֲ ו֋

ָ, פ ֟ ֛ ܴ , ֓ ָ ָ ֟ ꋲֻ ָ ׸ߙ ֟ ִֻ֮ ֤֟ , ֤֟ ִֻ֮ ־ֲ ֮ ָ ? ֵ֟ ֋ ֟ Ӭ ןֻ ִֻ֮ ? ֵ֟ ֋ פ Ӭ ןֻ ִֻ֮ ? ֵ֟ ֋ ֙ߙ߇ ִֻ֮ ? ֵ֟ ֋ ֆ ִֻ֮ ? ֵ֟ ֋ ֌ֻև ִֻ֮ ? -Ù ֕ ו֮֟ ֤֟ , ִֻ֮ ? , ֛ , ָ ִֻ֮ ֤֟ , ֮ ָ ֤֟ ִֻ֮ ֟ ֛ ָ ָ ָ ֟ ָ ָ ֟ , ָ ß֮ ִֻ֮ ָ ֟

ß֮ ִֻ֮ ָ ָ֟ ָ ӛ ֋, ױ ָ ָ ֟ օ ׻֋ ֮ ֯ ָ ֋, ׻֋ ָ, ״ּ ֋, ֯ ֟ ִ ו֋, ִֻ֮ ֟ ֮֟ ׮ֵ ָ , ִֻ֮ ֟ ֮֮ ײ֛ ׬ָ , ִֻ֮ ס ׬ָ , , ß֮ ֟ ִֻ֮ ָ ֯ ֟ ִ֋ ֯ , ֯ ֟פ ֻ ֤ ֤ , ֤ ֲ , ִ ӕ ߔ ִ , , ָ, ֮ ֕ ִ֮ ֋ , ָ™ , ֮ Ϥ , וִ ֟ ֻ֟ ײ֟ ԅ Ϭ֮ ӡ ״ֻ , ֮ ֮ ָ ֟ , ׻ ָ ֯ ־ , כ ־ , ָ ־ ׻ ָ ֮ ֮ ׻֋ -ָ ӕ֮, ָ߲, ֲ֕ ô Ӥ ָ , ָ , ו֋, ו֋ ָ ֵ֤ Ԯ ו֋, ָ ֛ ֮ ֯ ֻ ֟פ ֮ ׻֋ ֟ߕ ֻ ֤֟ ֟ , ֻ , ֻ ֻ ֯ ֟ , ו ֮ ׻֋ ֯ ֮ ֛ ֻֻ

ֲ ֯ ׻ ֮֋ ״׮Ù ֯ ߵָ ׻ ֮և ߕ כև ו֋ ׸Ù Ӆ ֌ֻև ׸Ù ? ֆÙ ׸Ù ? , ׸Ù ? ֱ ô , , ֕ ֮֮ ֻ ׸Ù ֮ ֟

2S/PSV ָ ָ

PSV/2S/3.30

ק (֟) : ֲ ֯ ׸ʹ כև , ִֻ օ ָ ֟ ߅

ָ, ֲ ֵ , ׯ֔ ѓ ֻ ֟ ֕ ״ֻ , ׻֋ ׻֋ ו֋ ֮֟ ֈ ֌ ֛ ߴ֟ ־֕ , ß֮ 15-16 ִֻ֮ ־֕ ׻֋ ֟ ו֋

ָ, ָ ֟ ә׻֕ ֟ ֯ ә׻֕ ִֻ֮ ײֻ ֱ , ײֻ ֱ ֯ ? ֯ ׸Ù ֮ ֛ ָ ׸Ù , ֯ ߓ օ ? ֓ , և ֯ ׻ ? ֯ ִֻ֮ ә׻֕ , , և00 , 0և00 ? ִ ו֋ ֲ כ֙ , և׸ߕ ֻ , ә׻֕ כ֙ ֕ ß ׿ֿ ԅ ״׮Ù ֮֮ ә׻֕ ֮֯ և׸ߕ ׸ׯϕ֮ ׻֋ , ? ׻֋ ֟ ו֋ ֮ , ׻֋ ו֋ ֯ ׸ʹ ֛ ָ Դָ֤֮ ֛ , ֯ ߕ ׻֋, ָ օ

ָ ֟ ו֮֟ ֈ -- ָ Ù ׮ֵ֤ ָ ָ ֓ ֋, ֕ ״ֻ ׮ֵ֤ , ו ָ ӡ, ׻ֵԴ, ׾֮֬ ֛ ָ ֟ , ֓օ ׻֋ ܾß , ָ ߻ ߻ פ ׾֮֬ ֟ ֟ ִ֮ ֟ ָ ߻ ֟ ָ ֮ ֮ ָ֤߮ ֮ ֱ - ֟ , ֱ ״ֻ֟, ׸ ־֕ ֮ ֕֟ ״ֻ֟߅ , ß֮ ָ? ָ ָ ״ֻ, ״ּ օ ? ...(ִֵ ә)... ֮֟ ֱ ״ֻօ ׾֮֬ ֱ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ : , ֯ , ָ ֌ ֻܵ ֋

ק : ׻֋ ߻ , - ߻ , ֻ , ִ ָ ׻֋ כ ׻֋ ߻ ִ֮ ֋х ׸ ֛ ׻֋ , ֮֕ן ָ ֛և ֛

״׮Ù ָ ֟ ֯ ׻֋ ֮և, ֵә ٻִֵ ֮և ֯ ֤ - ֮և, וִ ܟ׻ֱ ٙ ևӤ ׸ ֛ ׻֋ Ù ߅ ֻ ָ, ״ ָ, ׻י ָ, כ ָ, ָ, ָ ߕ , ו֮ ָ ֯ ֛օ ֕ Դָ֤֮ ׸ ֛ ׿ֿ ԅ ֟ -ָ ׮ֿ֤֮ ׸Ù ֵ֤ ֟ ֱֻ ׻י ׾ֻ ֺ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ : ֯ ߕ ו֋

ק : ׻י ׾ֻ ֙ ׾ֻ ߅ ...(ִֵ ә)... ׻י ׾ֻ ֤ ׾ֻ ׾ֻ , ָ ֵә ׾ֻ ׾ֻ ֮֟ ֛օ ֮־֤

(ִ֯)






׻ (׸) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ֯ ֮־֤ ֮֯ ִ߸ ׾ֵ ָ ֮ ָ Ϥ֮ օ ֙ خ֤ ֣ ֵֻ ן Ӿ ֌ ֯ ֤ ֙ֆ ָ ׾µ ָ ֓Ԇ ן օ

ָ֮, ֲ֤ ֮։ ؿ֤ ֬և ֤֟ ֙ , ™ߵ ֻ ִ, ֲ ٻִֵ - ûִ- ֛ ֟ ™ ֓ ִֻ֮ ֓ ָ ™ ֓ ִֻ֮ ֓ ֲ ֤֟ ֙ , ִ , ֟ ִֻ֮ և ָ ֯ ֯ ָ Ӹ ߚ ׮֤ ֌ ֮ ֯ ׾֮֬ ֵָ , ִ ֕ ֟ ֤֟ ִ , ִ ֮-֮֕ ֤ (2/000 ָ ֿ:)

2T/HMS-MKS/3.35

׻ (֟) : , ֤֟ ֲ ֤֟ ֟ , ָ ָ ֵ , ֤֟ ׾ָ֓ ֮ ֣ ָ , ִ ֟ ״ֻ ֵ ֟ ֟ ָ 12-15 ִֻ֮ ֤֟ ֋ , , ֤ ֋, ֓և ִֻ֮ ו ֤֟ ϵ , ֲ ֤ ָ߲ ָ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֟ ָ-ָ ? ֓ ֯ 10 ֋ 5 ֋ , ו ֯ ו ֻ ֵ, ו և ֻ ֵ, ו ֛ և 10 5 ֤ ״ֻ ֋? ָָ ֵԾ ? , ָ ֮ߵ ӡ , ָ ֮ ӡ , ֯ ֤ ֟ , ֛օ ָ ֮ ֵ ן ׮ ֯ ־ֲ֤ ֵ ? פ ֟? ֓ 0և00 ևԅ ֮ ףֵ ָ Ù 0և00 ֮ ӡ ִ , Ӳ ׾־֮ֆ ׾־ד֟ ִ ִ "ֆևԵ" "ևԲ" , "ևԲ"/"߲" ߮ ״ ֯ ָ֮ ׻ և ָ֮ ָ Ù ׻ , ֤֟ ָ ֮֟ ָ ו ָ߲ ִֻ֮ ֛ , ֻ ִ , ִ և ׻־ פօ ֙ ֮ ֮ ָ , ֮ ױ 0և00 ֋, 00 ֋, և00 ֋ ֤ ָ ӓ ֟ ױָ ӓ ֤ ֲָ , ֲ ָ ֻ ֜ ִ ֟ פ ֵօ ָ߲ ֮ ִ ׻־ פ ֻ ׻֋ ִֻ֮ օ ֯ , ֯ ׻ ָ ִ ֟ ? -- ָ ֋, օ ױ ֮ ״ֻ֟ ָ ֟ Ӹ ׻֋ ߻ ֋ ֣ ֻ ֮ ֤֟ ִ օ ֯ ִ֬ ָָ ׮֤ ִ ן ִ ָ ָ ִ

֮־ָ, ־֮ ֟ և, ֵ֤ ֤ ߅ ֮־ָ, ־֮ և ֤֟ ؿ֤ ִ- ִ ֮֮ פ ֛ ֓և ִ ֻ֮֮ , ֓և ק և ִֻ֮ ִ ֮֮ ֻ , : ֮ ־֮ ֣ ִ , Ӥ ֤֟ ֚ ܟ ״֙ ָ ֤֟ ״֙ ֋, ֤֟ ״֙օ ӕֲ ֟ ־ ӕֲ ָ ӕֲ ׸ ӕֲ -׌ ָָ פ֟ ֤֟ ֟ օ ӕֲ ֤֟ ֻ ָ ֟ , ӕֲ ֤֟ ؿ֤ -׌ , ן ׻ ܟ ֵԾ ֟ ֮֟ ֮֮ߵ ӡ Ù פ , ֱ ִ ָ ܟ ֮ ן ִ ָ ܟ , ֲ ֤֟ ֟ ֋օ

֯ ֮־ָ ָ ֙ "" ִֻ ֙ֆ ָ ָ ܟ ֮ ֮֮ օ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׾µ ֤֟ ִ ֋ ֮ ֛ ֤ ָ ֲָ ֲָ ָ Ϥ ֟Ӿ֤ ֋ ֵ Ӭ Ӭ ֮ ֤ terrorists ֮ ִ Ӥ ֛օ ָ ָ -֤ ֙֋ ֯ Ù ֮֟? (2 /֕ ָ ֿ:)

2U/KLG-TMV/3.40

׻ (֟) : ו֮֟ ֤֟ Ӥ , , ׻ּ , ֌Ծ֤ ן ִ ֚ , ׻֋ ߮ ߮ ִֵ ֵ ו֋, ֮ ײ ו֋ ߮ ߮ Ӥ Ù ׸ ֻ ו֋ ָ ׮֤ , כ ָ , ֕ ו֋ ֯ ִ֬ , ֮ ֮

֮־ָ, ֕ ֣ ִ ִ ָ , ׻ ׾֮֬ ִ ָ ִ֯ , ִֻ֮ ֟ , ֮ , ûִ, , և, ֲ ״ֻ ֮ ָ ׾֮֬ , ָ և ־ ӕև ֟ ָߵ֟ ײ ִ֟ ֮ ָ ״ֻ , ָ-ָ ֮ ݵ ֯ ֣, ֮־ָ, ֯ - ֮־֤, ֳָ (ִ֯)

ֳ֯ : ׿š ֵָ ֯ -߮ ״֮֙ ו֋ ֯ ֟ , ָ ִֵ , ִֵ ׻֋

׿š ֵָ (ײָ) : ֳ֯ן , ֤ ֤֟ ָ ָ-ָ ֓ ִ ֵ , ׾֯ , ֲ֮ ֟ þָ ֙ֆ خ֤ ֕ ֋ ִֵ ӳ߸ ֟ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֺ , ֤֟ ֻ ֤ ֤ ׸ָ ֤֟ ֻ , Ӳև ٿֵֻ ֙ ֤֟ ֻ ָ ׸ָ ֤֟ ֻ ָ ٿֵֻ ֙ ָ ֻ, ָ ־ԓ ֤ ָ ֻ ָ ֲ֕, ܵ ßӳ ֵ֯׻ ָ ֻ, ֤֟ ֻ ָ , ִ ֤֕ ָ ֻ ߸, ָ ֻ خ֤ ß־ , ָ ֟ ָ ֤ ־ֻ ָ ֋, ֵ ֋օ ֺ ָ ֤ , ו خ֤ ß־ ֵ֤ ֤ ִ֮ ױ ã֟

ֳ֯ן , ֕ ֲ ֯ ־ֻ ָָ ޛ ָ ϴ֟ ֤֟ ײ֮ ָ ָָ ֕ ָָ ֟ ׻֋ ֟ ֋ ֕ ܵ , ֮ ־ã ֤֟ , ־׸ ã֮ ָ , ֳ ֲֻ ֟ ׾ָ֓ ßָ ָ ֤֟ ֮ , ׻֋ ֯ ָ Ù ֮֮ ֛, ֤֟ ӑߵ ӓ ß ׻֋ ָ Ù ֮֮ ֛, ٣ ֤֟ ֮ ٣ ִ֕ ãׯ֟ ׻֋ Ù ֮֮ ֛ ֕ ־ã ֮ ֮, ֮ ֮ ֻ֮ ֨ן ֮ ֻ ־֮Դ ֻ֮ ו֮ ֮ , ׻֋ ֵ ָ ֛, ߴ ָ ֛߅ ָ Ù , ָ ֤֟ ִõ ӳ߸ ֮ , ֯ ָ ָ ִõ֋ , ׻֋ ָ ָ Ù ֮֮ ֺ ֛߅ ָָ ֟ ָ ֱ ֵ֮ ֺ ֵ ֮ , ֵ ֕ ֣ ֨ , ָ ֮ , ָ , ֛ , ָ , ָ ױ ׾ֳ , ִ׮֟ ֕ ָָ ׻ Ӳ׬֟ , ֬׮ خ ־ã , ֮ ӡ 2/ ָ

VK-AKA/2W/3.45

׿š ֵָ (֟) : ֳ֯ן , - ֓ ֟ פ ֮־ ֟ ִ ֣ פ ֟ , ן ֣ ִõ פ ֟ ָ ֻ ן ִϤ׵ ֤֟ ֤֟ ִ ִ ֛ ֻ ֟ ӡ ֛ ָ֟ օ

ֳ֯ן , ןִ ֟ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ֕ פ ӡ ׸ߕ֮ ָ ֛ ֣ Ӭ ן ןš֮ օ פ ֛ ֟ , ׸ߕ֮ ִ ܵ ֟ ָ כ ӡ ߾֮֯֨ן ׸ߕ֮ ׌ þֵ ֮ ָ ֲ ֛ ִ֬ ֓ ٴ , ӡ ׾ָ ס ׌ , ִ ß ֟ ߅

ױ ֕ ֙ ֤ ָָ ֟ ӓ-: ߮ Ӥ ָ և Ù , ָ և ָ߲ , ֕ ָָ ֳ ָ ֮ ֵ ֋ ֬׮ ָ ו֟ ִ , ׾ָ֓ ָ֬ ָ , כ ִ֬ ָ , ֤ ־ִן ן ֓ ֻ ٙ , ׻ ׳֮-׳֮ ׸ߕ֮ , ׳֮-׳֮ þֵ ֚ ָ ֓ , ֮- ֋, ֛ ָ֟ ãן , ֤֕ ָ ֟ ָ օ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֺ

֮ , : ֻ ָָ ׻֋ ֵԯ ־֕ ֮ פ, ָָ ׻֋ ֺ ֮ ֕ ׮֤ פ , ָָ ׻֋ ֺ ֕ ֣ ֯ ִֵ֮, ִ ֋ ָ ϳ־ ֯ ֵ (ִ֯)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The hon. Home Minister has to again go to Lok Sabha for replying to the Resolution. Now we will end this here.

SHRI DINESH TRIVEDI (WEST BENGAL): Sir, I promise you I will not cross my limit. I understand the importance of time. I will just start and finish in two minutes. I do not want to get into the formalities of anything. The House has condemned it, therefore, I am not going to do it individually. Today it reminds me of Lal Bahadur Shastri. His slogan was 'Jai Jawan Jai Kisan'. Jawan is because of the security. Today when I read the statement it says that we will see to it that there is communal harmony. I do not even feel liking asking clarifications because we never get the answers. Today it sounds more like a party manifesto than the will of the Government -- 'Bland statement, bland statement, bland statement'. I would like to congratulate the people of this country. If today there is harmony, it is not because of the Government or because of us. At times people say, "In spite of us". I would just like to say that there is something called accountability.

ָ, ָ פ ֮ ֟ ׵֟ ֮֟ ָ 같-֌׸ פ ָָ ׵֟ ֮֟ ֈәײ֙ ֟

ָ, ֮֟ ִֵ , ׻֋ ָ ִ ֻ֮ ֛ ֟ ָ We penetrate the criminal organisation. I want to tell you and everybody knows, that it is the criminal organisation which has penetrated us, including this Parliament. I am not saying that. It is the Vohra Committee Report which says so. I have to go to the Supreme Court. I would like know from the hon. Minister as to what they have done on the recommendation of the Vohra Committee. (Contd. by 2X)

RG/3.50/2X

SHRI DINESH TRIVEDI (contd.): Government after Government came. The NDA also was there. But they also did not do anything. What have you done? I have written letters, but there was no response. Very casually, you come here and say, "Maoist is there." But you cannot substantiate. And, as rightly said by the hon. Member, Shahidji, even those guys, who are not criminals, you are forcing to take up that. Here, my dear friend, Yechuryji said, 'Islamic fundamentalists', and today, he says that we should not use such words. Sir, I want to speak a lot, but as I have promised, I will not take much time. I want to know what the accountability of the Government is. Can they say: "Yes; this is it. We are not going to see this day again."

(Ends)


MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The reply will be at 6 o' clock. Now, the hon. Minister to move the Resolution.

RESOLUTION RE. PROCLAMATION ISSUED BY PRESIDENT ON 20TH NOVEMBER, 2007, UNDER ARTICLE 356 OF CONSTITUTION IN RELATION TO STATE OF KARNATAKA

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THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): Sir, I rise to move:

"That this House approves the Proclamation issued by the

President on the 20th November, 2007, under article 356 of

the Constitution in relation to the State of Karnataka."

 

As the hon. Members are aware, election to constitute the Legislative Assembly of Karnataka was held in April, 2004. The election resulted in a hung Legislative Assembly in the State. On 28th May, 2004, a coalition Government, comprising Janata Dal (S) and the Congress (I) was formed. However, in January, 2006, a group of 39 MLAs of JD (S) led by Shri H.D. Kumaraswamy broke away from the alliance and formed a Government, with the support of BJP, with Shri H.D. Kumaraswamy as the Chief Minister. There was an understanding between the two coalition partners that the JD (S) would hold the Chief Minister's post for the first 20 months and the BJP for the next 20 months. The period of 20 months for the JD (S) ended on 3rd October, 2007. Seventy-nine MLAs of BJP presented before the Governor and withdrew the support to the coalition Government on 6th October, 2007. On 8th October, 2007, the leaders of the Congress (I) party also submitted a memorandum to the Governor stating that the Ministry headed by Shri H.D. Kumaraswamy had been reduced to a minority and demanded the dismissal of the Government. Thereafter, the Chief Minister met the Governor and submitted his resignation on 8th October, 2007. The Governor, in his Report, dated 8th October, 2007, recommended invoking the President's rule in the State of Karnataka as there was no possibility of any party or person being in a position to form a Ministry with a majority support in the Assembly. The Report of the Governor was considered by the Union Government and the President's rule was proclaimed on 9th October, 2007 in the State of Karnataka under article 356 (1) of the Constitution keeping the Legislative Assembly under suspended animation. In view of the political developments in the State, after the imposition of President's rule, the Union Government was informed by the Governor on 27th October, 2007, that a group of JD (S) and BJP leaders met him and staked their claim to form a Government led by the BJP leader, Shri B.S. Yeddyurappa. (Continued by 2Y)

2y/3.55/ks

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL (CONTD.): On 29th October, 2007, the JD(S)-BJP combine submitted 129 letters of individual support to the Governor -- 79 BJP, 41 JD(S), 3 JD(U) and 6 Independents -- and also signed in the register at Raj Bhawan. The Governor also indicated that there were a few MLAs and leaders like Shri M. P. Prakash, Shri P.G.R. Scindia and several academicians and eminent men who urged him not to... (Interruptions) the coalition arrangement and call for fresh elections. He also stated that the JD(S) President and former Prime Minister, Shri H. D. Devegowda had written to the Prime Minister suggesting dissolution of the House. Besides, the Governor's report also includes a draft MoU sent by Shri H. D. Devegowda to the BJP National President, Shri Rajnath Singh, imposing conditions for the coalition which was contrary to the unconditional support given to him earlier by 129 MLAs supporting the coalition. The Governor concluded that in spite of his reservations about stability, keeping in view the imperatives of the democratic option, with reference to the numerical strength, the President may consider offering an opportunity to Shri B. S. Yeddyurappa to form the Government and revoke the Presidential proclamation. Accordingly, the Union Government considered the report of the Governor and revoked the President's Rule in the State of Karnataka on 12th November, 2007. Shri B. S. Yeddyurappa took oath on 12th November, 2007 and inducted four Ministers from the BJP. The Governor in his report dated 19th November, 2007 stated that the Chief Minister was given eight days' time from the date of assumption of the office of the Chief Minister to prove his majority on the floor of the House. Accordingly, the Karnataka Legislative Assembly was summoned at 1.00 a.m. on 19th November, 2007. Prior to the vote of confidence on 19th November, 2007, the JD(S) reportedly issued a whip to JD(S) legislators to vote against the confidence motion. The forenoon session of the Assembly commenced with the reading of obituaries. The House was adjourned after that. At 3.05 p.m., the House was reconvened and the confidence motion was tabled. The Chief Minister spoke at length about the cooperation rendered by the JD(S) during the past 20 months and highlighted his party's achievements during his tenure as the Deputy Chief Minister.

However, the Congress Members, Shri Dharam Singh and Shri Mallikarjun Kharge, spoke casually about the Government seeking the confidence motion when the coalition partner had itself issued a whip against it. Subsequently, Shri B. S. Yeddyurappa got up to speak but left midway stating that he was leaving for Raj Bhawan to tender his resignation and did not want any further discussion on the confidence motion. The Speaker adjourned the House at 4.40 p.m. as the confidence motion had failed. The Governor in his support indicated that he had accepted the resignation tendered by Shri B. S. Yeddyurappa at 4.45 p.m. on 19th November, 2007. He was of the opinion that no party or individual is in a position to form the Government in the State of Karnataka with majority support and that he was satisfied that a situation had arisen in the State in which the Government of the State could not be carried on in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution. The Governor, therefore, recommended that President's Rule under article 356(1) of the Constitution of India may be imposed with immediate effect after dissolving/suspending the Legislative Assembly of the State of Karnataka. The Union Government considered the report of the Governor and proclaimed President's Rule in the State of Karnataka under article 356(1) of the Constitution on 20th November, 2007 keeping the Legislative Assembly under suspended animation. (Contd. by 2z/tdb)

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