PREVIOUS HOUR

-MKS-TMV-SC/1Z/2.00

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (CONTD.): I request the Government to take urgent steps for protecting the lives and properties of the people so that such incidents will not occur in future, and create confidence among the countrymen. Thank you. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P. J. KURIEN): Thank you very much, Ravulaji, for being brief and concise. Shri D. Raja.

SHRI D. RAJA (TAMIL NADU): Thank you, Sir. At the outset, my party, the Communist Party of India, joins the entire House in condemning the serial bomb blasts that took place in Uttar Pradesh. Wile agreeing with the statement made by the Home Ministry, I would like to raise some issues for consideration. I find that there is a need to streamline our intelligence network and strengthen our intelligence agencies because there is a failure of intelligence agencies to investigate and pre-empt... (Interruptions)... May I continue after lunch break? ... (Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): No. You please proceed. No problem. You will proceed. (Interruptions)... After D. Raja, you will be called.

SHRI D. RAJA: Sir, the one area that the Government will have to... (Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No. This is an important discussion. Don't make disturbances. It is a very important discussion. There are a number of hon. Members to speak. (Interruptions)...

SHRI DINESH TRIVEDI: Members are not present in the House. It was not announced earlier. (Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No. Who are not present? (Interruptions)....

DR. (SHRIMATI) NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Sir, you take the sense of the House so that there would not be any violation of the procedure. (Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No. (Interruptions)....

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI PRIYARANJAN DASMUNSI): Sir, a decision was taken at the meeting of the senior leaders that there would be no lunch break. . (Interruptions)....

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: It has already been agreed to that there would be no lunch break. Not only that it is an important discussion, but also more than a dozen hon. Members want to speak. I wan to give time to every one. The less you speak, the better. (Interruptions)....

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sir, you please take the sense of the House. . (Interruptions)....

DR. (SHRIMATI) NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: That is what I am saying. . (Interruptions)....

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Raja, you please proceed. (Interruptions)...

DR. (SHRIMATI) NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, the procedure is that whatever decision that has taken place in the Chamber has to be announced in the House because Members don't know whether there is going to be a lunch break. So, you announce it and take the sense of the House. This is the procedure. (Interruptions)...

SHRI N. JOTHI: We can even compensate by extending the sitting. (Interruptions)... We can extend our sitting so that we can compensate. (Interruptions)...

SHRI D. RAJA: Let me finish. (Interruptions)...

DR. (SHRIMATI) NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: I am only saying that the procedure should be followed. That is it. (Interruptions)...

SHRI PRIYARANJAN DASMUNSI: Sir, I think what Najmaji is saying is correct. Najmaji has correctly advised that it should be announced in the House. But we agreed to it in a situation when the House was in turmoil and got adjourned. Then it was decided (a) the Chair will make a note of condolence, (b) instant statement by the Home Minister, and (c) instant debate. Since it was not expected--the most important business today is Karnataka Presidential Proclamation; it has to be ratified today--it was agreed in the presence of senior leaders--my colleagues were there--that the House would proceed without lunch break. Then somebody said, "Lunch break means that the hon. Minister has to feed them". That is a different issue. But the factual position is that a decision was taken and the issue was resolved. If there is any communication gap in announcing it instantly by the Chair, I can't question the Chair's wisdom. But, on behalf of the Government, I can say, "Yes, the Parliamentary Affairs Minister should have stated this instantly". I promise, Najmaji, that this kind of departure shall not take place, as you have rightly pointed out.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): In view of the explanation of the hon. Minister, I hope the House will agree.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Yes.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: We will continue with the discussion.

SHRI D. RAJA: Sir, I resume my intervention. The intelligence is one area the Government will have to look into. There are many bomb blasts that have taken place. We get agitated and we get, sometimes, very numb and immune. This is in no way good to tackle the problem of terrorism because the modus operandi of terrorists needs to be investigated properly. After every bomb blast, the Government comes out with a report saying one or two bombs remained unexploded.

(Contd. by RG/2A)

RG/2.05/2A

SHRI D. RAJA (contd.): And this is an issue and the Government will have to seriously look into this. Like, what the modus operandi is, how some bombs get blasted and some bombs remain unexploded. There is some hi-tech involved and the intelligence agencies must be equipped to tackle this hi-tech used by terrorists. There should be cameras in public places. In some Government offices and some banks, we have cameras to monitor the movements of people. I feel, even in airports, bus stands, railway stations and such other public places, there is a need to have cameras to monitor the situation because terrorists are using hi-tech devices and through e-mails, etc. they carry out their activities. If our intelligence agencies are not equipped in this regard, we will be facing similar problems in the coming days. Some years back, our Government agreed to set up an office of FBI. But I do not know what is happening and what it means because our level of intelligence is not adequate to face the situation. That is the point which I am making. Then, I agree with the Home Ministry that we will have to fight terrorism unitedly with a resolve, with a determination, to maintain harmony. Here, we must also keep in mind the fact that our country is a State of tremendous diversities. All sections of our population should have a sense of security to live in this country. If that is disturbed, then, we will be facing a lot of problems in the coming days. Moreover, after the U.S. waged war against Iraq, it was clear that imperialism identified terrorism with one religion. India, being home for all religions, you cannot afford to identify any particular religion with terrorism. We should realise that there are extreme communal forces in all religions which try to disrupt the harmony, disrupt the unity and integrity of the country. And, I must say, the majority communalism or minority communalism feed each other, and we will have to condemn the communal extremism, communal fascism of every kind, every brand and every shape. It is a threat to the unity and harmony of our people, of our country.

Here, I must also make a point that some people, including the main Opposition party, demand that POTA should be brought hack or POTA should be suitably amended. But our experience has been different and horrible. The POTA or TADA were all used to terrorise innocent people and that is why there was a resistance to all these Acts and, finally, we had to get rid of the Acts. It is of no use arguing now to bring back these Acts. But the existing laws must be used effectively to fight the menace of terrorism. There must be a political will; there must be a determination; there must be a resolve on the part of the political parties as well as the Government to isolate the terrorist forces, the extremist forces, and unite the people in this struggle against terrorism. This is what, as the CPI representative, I would like to bring to the notice of this august House.

Finally, Sir, there must be coordination between the State Governments and the Central Government, and the level of coordination must improve; it must be raised because now nobody should try to blame each other. But it is a failure, and this failure has to be taken up collectively by the Governments, and that is where the need for an effective coordination between the State Governments and the Central Government is essential. I hope, in the coming days, we will act in this regard in a fitting manner. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Shri Ram Jethmalani...(Interruptions)

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, where is the Minister?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: There are three Cabinet Ministers and two or three State Ministers, including the Minister of State for Home Affairs, sitting here. There is enough number of Ministers...(Interruptions)

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, morning itself, this issue was raised...(Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: It is a collective responsibility. Kindly take your seat...(Interruptions) (Continued by 2B)

2b/2.10/ks-gs

SHRI AMAR SINGH: Sir, you mentioned the collective responsibility of the Cabinet. Mr. Dasmunsi said one thing and Shri Shivraj Patil said something else on Nandigram. Then, why are you talking about collective responsibility?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: It is the collective responsibility in a parliamentary democracy. (Interruptions)

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: The idea is not to interrupt the debate, Sir. Let me bring it to the notice of the Chair and the House also that there was a feeling that when such sensitive issues are discussed, the concerned Minister should be present. The rule, of course, is that one Minister can take notes for all. But then, why is there this entire Cabinet and all others? The point is that we are discussing such a sensitive issue; the entire country is looking towards us. Fortunately, there is peace also in the House. A meaningful debate is going on. It was assured to us in the morning that the Home Minster, Shivraj Patilji will come here. He has not come. And the other Minister has also gone. He is coming in just now. (Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN(PROF. P.J. KURIEN): You know, there are two Ministers of State in the Ministry of Home Affairs here, three Cabinet Ministers.

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Cabinet Ministers are not noting, Sir. The concerned Minister should be there. (interruptions) Then, what about the Cabinet Minister? They said he is in Lok Sabha. Is the Lok Sabha also discussing the same issue?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You were in the Government. You know these problems. If anyone else had raised it, I would have understood.

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Yes, Sir; and I used to be there in the House. (Interruptions) When debates and discussions are going on here, some Ministers are sitting and watching cricket match at Feroze Shah Kotla grounds. (Interruptions) I thought when a senior member like Shri Ram Jethmalani was speaking, there should be some senior Minister present in the House.

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI (NOMINATED): Sir, I have very special affection for Mr. Shivraj Patil. I am very happy that we unanimously approved the Chair's Resolution this morning which adequately conveys the contempt of the Indian nation for the horrendous crimes of the perpetrators of these acts of terrorism in three of our cities. At the same time, I am glad that the Resolution also conveys our anguish and pathos at those who have lost their lives, those who are living but some of them in a critical condition, and, of course, their kith and kin who have suffered untold and undeserved misery.

But the question is: after having passed this Resolution and sought some clarifications from the Government, does the duty of this House come to an end? Do we, after having done this job today in another one hour of the House, go back to our small power games, toppling tricks, unholy compromises and criminal cover-ups?

Sir, there are a few matters which arise out of the statement. And since you have advised us to confine ourselves to clarification of issues, the first point that I wish to ask is that, when this statement, at more than one place, characterises the happenings as acts of terrorism, I hope it is realised by the Government that terrorism is not a subject of law and order. The Supreme Court in its solemn judgment has held that terrorism, of both kinds, whether internal or external, is an assault on the sovereignty and defence of India and, therefore, is primarily a Central Subject. Being a Central Subject, Sir, it is the primary duty of the Central Government to see to it that these offences do not take place or, at least, recur with the frequency with which they are now occurring and that they are adequately investigated and those found responsible for these acts punished so that there should be some deterrence.

I regret, Sir, that the statement does not show this realisation. What is said, for example, in the fifth paragraph is, "Investigations into these blasts have been given to the Special Task Force by the State Government. The Central Agencies are also helping the State Police in this regard". (Contd. by 2c/tdb)

TDB/2C/2.15

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI (CONTD.): Sir, this is a reversal of roles. The primary responsibility for acts of terrorism and to investigate them is that of the Centre. You are seeking and you are entitled to seek the cooperation of the State Government. If it gives that cooperation to you, it is perfectly all right, it is redound to the credit of the State Government. But, please do not by this jettison your primary responsibility because we are dealing with not a State subject, but with a Central subject.

Then, Sir, I do wish very seriously not to succumb to the temptation of scoring any brownie points against anybody. I have no such motivation. But, Sir, even if you detect a failure somewhere, a failure in some quarter, a failure which amounts to terrible neglect or jettisoning of duty, yet we must recognise that in a sense it is the collective failure of all of us, and, therefore, we have to put forth and put across a pool of our collective experience, our collective knowledge, collective intelligence, collective techniques and collective influence wherever that influence can bring about a change of motivation for these acts of terrorism.

Sir, another thing which requires a serious consideration is, -- and I had raised that subject the other day when the Question Hour was going on -- I said, all terrorism is not of the same kind, motivations are different. Some terrorism is purely political and territorial of the kind which we encounter, for example, in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. But, Sir, there is another terrorism in which the motivation is totally different. My friend, Raja is right and that is why, Sir, I have so much respect for him, in spite of our differences on some points, when he said that no religion has to be identified or associated with any acts of terrorism, perfectly right. But, Sir, I don't do it as a matter of political strategy. I do it as a matter of my understanding of religion. There is no religion in the world which advocates or sanctifies terrorism, and those people who go about telling others that your religion requires you to indulge in acts of terrorism, they themselves are terrorists and must be dealt with in that particular manner. But, Sir, there is no doubt that some misunderstanding of religion is also in some cases the motivation for acts of terrorism. And, Sir, there, you cannot treat it as a law and order problem; you cannot treat it as a purely punishing problem of criminal law or creating deterrence, you have to address yourself to the mind of the people, to the brain of the people, to their understanding of things, and, Sir, a dialogue is called for with these people and more than anything else, Sir, what is called the need for secular education in India. Sir, I have been writing about it times out of number that India has failed, while proclaiming secularism, failed to give secular education throughout the country. And, Sir, secularism has got to be taught. And, Sir, I mean, no disrespect to anybody, I am speaking with great humility and with great anguish almost that those who beat their breasts and all the time talk about secularism have not understood even the 's' of secularism what secularism requires. Sir, the first thing which secularism requires and that is a matter where we have to go round and create a new culture is, what used to happen in the court of emperor Akbar. The Nine Jewels of the court used to sit, discuss religious doctrines, criticise each other's doctrine, show the superiority of one doctrine over another, but nobody got up and stabbed anybody, and nobody out of anger got so provoked that he indulged in acts of terrorism. Sir, when we can peacefully and in a spirit of understanding and a spirit of enlightenment sit and discuss religious doctrines and subject them to the rule of reason, that is secularism. But, unfortunately that secularism is not being taught, is not being even advocated. However, Sir, some day, I hope, it will be done. (Contd. by 2d-kgg)

kgg/2d/2.20

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI (contd.): Sir, the response to these acts is childish, "We have given Rs.5 lakhs to those who are dead and Rs. 1 lakh to those who have been injured". Sir, these are all childish responses to this very, very horrendous activity. "We have now said that you must create more vigilance in other district courts." The terrorists know it. Now that they have attacked courts, they know that you will be more vigilant at some other courts and they will not attack your courts at least for some time until you forget this. I must tell you, it is pathetic.

Sir, last night I was sitting before the TV and I happen to see only for a few minutes because I could not afford to sit and listen to the whole thing. There was some gentleman who probably had something to do with our R&AW and intelligence agencies. He was on TV and explaining why our efforts to curb terrorism have failed. One of the things which I heard from him and which made me very angry about what is happening is when he said that terrorists have now changed their techniques! One of the illustrations he gave is, previously terrorists were using telephone for their communication and now they were using couriers. Do we not have this much intelligence that naturally the terrorists will go on changing their techniques and technologies? This is not an adequate explanation.

Sir, I must say that the problem of terrorism is that these acts take place without notice. How do we manage to get notice? Sir, I should not even be discussing these matters in the House; I wish the Ministers in-charge of it at least have the decency and the humility to call important Members of the House and sit with them in private and try to understand this problem. Sir, let me summarise in one word. The problem of terrorism and its conquest is the problem of infiltration into criminal organisations. There are many people who have tremendous experience of how to infiltrate into other organisations.

DR. MURLI MANOHAR JOSHI: He has the experience of all parties!

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: My friend Raja is laughing. (Interruptions) We should use the collective experience of the past, infiltrate into organisations; otherwise, you will never know when that organisation is going to hit and where it is going to hit and by what technology it is going to hit. Sir, these are the things which have to be learnt and I regret to say that this is not sufficiently appreciated, this does not show adequate response.

There is one last thing. Again, I wish to express my agreement with my friend, Sitaram Yechury. He is very angry with me that I have been opposing him on some other points of great importance. But, Sir, I agree with him that Taslima and Hussain must be dealt with in the same way. But it is a disgrace to our judicial system, it is a disgrace to our political system that Hussain has to live in Dubai as an outlaw, but it is equally a disgrace to our hospitality, our civilisation that a poor woman who is almost seeking refuge from persecution in her own country is being asked to get out. Both must be treated alike. Both must be brought back here and treated as our honoured guests and given complete security and safety. That is what the society requires and that is what the greatness of India requires. Thank you.

(Ends)

׾ֵ֮ יָ (ָ Ϥ): ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , Ͽ ֻ ִֵ ֓ ָ ֟, Ͽ ֻ ָ ֤ ã֟ ֵօ

֤֟ ֕ ֛ ִõ ֮ ֵ ֋ פ ֤֟ ן׾׬ֵ (PSV/1E ָ ֿ:)

PSV-KLS/2E/2.25

׾ֵ֮ יָ (֟): ֕ ָ ֤֟ ֮ ֮ ָ , ֤֟ ֮ ֮ ָ , ֤֟ ֮ ֮ ָ , ֤֟ ֮ ֮ ָ , ֤֟ ֮ ֮ 000 ֻ ß ׻ ֤֟ ֻ֟ ֟פ ָ 40 ָ ׬ ָ ֋ ܵ , ֛ ָ ܵ ֲ ß ׻ , ִֵ ֕ ָ ֵ ֋, ֛ ָ ִָ ָ ֤֟ ׿ָ ֋ ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ָ , ? ߮ ? ֣ ? ָ , ןֵ ֮ ֛ ֓ ָ ֟ֆ ֻ֮ ֓ ֟ , ֮֮ߵ ֤õ , ֲ פ Ӭ , ו֮ ָ, ֻ֟ ֮ ? ָ ֤֟ , ֙֋ , , ׮֤ ָ , ֕ ֓־ ָ ֮-֮ , ןš , ߻ ָ ֛ ֋, ֤֟ ? ...(־֮֬)... ֕ ãן ֮ և -- ָ ָ ָ 2-2 Ϭ֮ ӡ ֻ ֋ ֲ ֕߾ ㌻ -- ֤ ֮ ֤֟ ֮ , ׾ßָ ֮ ...(־֮֬)...

SHRI N. JOTHI: Sir, he is not a lawyer. ...(Interruptions)... No lawyer can refuse...(Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): He is not yielding. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SHAHID SIDDDIQUI: It is a Fundamental Right in our Constitution. ...(Interruptions)...

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֯ ִ ֟ ֟ֆ ...(־֮֬)... ֲ ֻ ֻ , ־ã ...(־֮֬)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You can reply when your turn comes. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Siddiqui, your name is here, you can reply. ...(Interruptions)...

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֯ ֟ ! ...(־֮֬)... ֈ ֻ֟ ׾ñ ...(־֮֬)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Vinay Katiyar, please address the Chair. ...(Interruptions)...

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ׻֋ ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ִ ֟ ־ֻ ...(־֮֬)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You are expressing your opinion. We will listen to it. ...(Interruptions)...

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ӟ օ ֵ ֯ ֻ ָ Ϥ ָ , ֲ ָ , ׻֋ ָ ֮ ֛, ֻ ָ Ϥ ...(־֮֬)... , ֲ֤ , ֮։ , ָ֮ -- ָ Ϥ

֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ֲ ָ ָָ ָ ֮ ݻ֤ ֯ך , ָ֮ ...(־֮֬)... ָ ָ ״֡ , ׻֋ , ־֮ ֛ ֮ ֋х -- ָ ݻ֤ ֮ ֯ך , ָ ָ ָָ ֻ , ֤ ֵֿ ֟ ׸ ֙ י ֟ , ߸ ָ , ֤Կ ֟ ָ , , ֋ פ -- ֤֟ ֙֋ ָ֮ ֻ ָ (2/000 ָ ֿ:)

SSS-HMS/2F/2.30

׾ֵ֮ יָ (֟) : ָ ֙ ֕߾ ㌻ , ֯ ֻ , ֤֟, ֮֕ן , , ןֵ , ׻ּ ֵ֜? ֮ , ֲ ֤֟ ָ ֓ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֛օ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P. J. KURIEN): Mr. Vinay Katiyar, please listen. You are supposed to seek clarifications on the statement. If you are going to make a big speech, there is no time. (Interruptions) Please, confine to the statement. Please confine to the statement. (Interruptions) You please sit down. You are not called. (Interruptions) You please sit down. Mr. Pany, please sit down. Please confine to the statement. (Interruptions)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֳ֬ , ֯ ֟ ָ ׿ֵָ , ֯ Ӹ , ָ ֕ ָ ָ ֯ ן ֛ Ӆ

0 00 ׸֮ : ֯ ֮ , և ֟

׾ֵ֮ יָ : , ׻֋ և ֟ , ו֮ ֤õ , ׻֋ no time. և? , ו י , ֜ 9 ֕ י ׾ֵ ָ Ͽֻ ã֟ ֓ և ֋, ֮ ֤ Ӳָ , օ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Vinayji, I was only cautioning you. I did not ask you to stop. I was only cautioning you. You please conclude in ten minutes. (Interruptions)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֳ֬ , ֮ ו֋ ֯ ֟ ֮ ֟ ֜ ֮ ו֋ ׻֋ , ֮ ֤ פֵ "׻ּ" ֮ ֛ ? ֕߾ ㌻ ֤ ֵ س֛־ֻ ֮ ֛ ? ֤ ִ Ӥ "" ֣ ״ֻ ־ ֮ ֛? Ӭ Ϥ Ӥ ״ֻ ־ ֮ ֛? ֤ ֣ ִ ֮ ? ױ ֯ , ָ Ϥ ״֟ ?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P. J. KURIEN): No, no, you address the Chair. ...(־֮֬)... ך Don't disturb.

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , 23 ָ, 2005 ִ ֙ ָ ֻ ו 7 ָ ֱ ֵֻ 28 ָ ׾֣֮ פ ׾ñ ֤֣ ״ֻօ 7 ֓, 2005 Ù֮ ֮ פ, ָ ָ ֻ ܵ 18 50 ׬ ֵֻ 23 ־ִָ, 2007 ֙, ו ָ ֓ , ׸ָ ã֮ ָ 9 50 ׬ ֵֻ , ֕ ߸ , ׿־֯ϟ֯ ï֙ ֟ ָ ֙ ™ߵ ֣֮֕ ֲ ߮ ã֮ ָ ֋ ָ ִ֮ ֕ ֟߿ ֮ ״ ӓ ־ã

֟߿ ֮ ״ : ֟ ־ֵ ֕

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֮־֤ , ֲ֤ 5 և, 2005 ִ ֮ ״ ָ ֻ ֤֟ ָ ֟ ָ֟ ָָ ׻ ־֮ ֟ (2 /֕ ָ ֿ:)

2G/KLG-NBR/2.35

׾ֵ֮ יָ) : פ ֟օ פ ֟? ִ ־ ? ָ ׻ ־֮ ֤ ֣ ֟פ ֛ , ֕ ָָ ָ ָ ָ ֕ ָָ ָ , ִ ־ ? ָ, ׻֋ ָ -߮ ֕ ָָ , ָ כ ׸ָ פ ֵօ פ ֵ? ꬵ ִ ֳ֮״ ָ 5 և, 2005 ֙ 10 և, 2005 , ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ׻֋ ִ , ־֮ ֟ , ߮ ֟ , ױ ׻֋ ֟օ 23 ־Ӳָ ֙ ևԅ ꬵ Ӥ ָ ־ Ù֮ ָ ׾ñ ִ ״ֻ, ֮։ ߮ ֤֟ ֋ , ָ ֋, ֻ֟ ֋, ׻ Ù ֋ ָ֓ ־ã ? ֤֟, ׸ֻ ֤֟ ֟ Ӥ ֟ , ݵ ֟ ?

ֳ֬ , ׮ֵ ָ ־ֻ ֵ ֟ , Դָ֤֮ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֟ פ ָ ָָ ׸ ֟ - ߮ ָ Ӳ׬֟ ׾ֳ ״׮Ù ֟ ׸ և , ֜ ֋? ֕ ִֵ ֮֕ֆ ִ ֟ , ָ Ӥ ֤֟ ֜ , ױ ׮ֵ ׸ , ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ (. . . ׸֮) : ֯ ֻ ֌ ו֋ ָ ï ִ ֵ ..(־֮֬).. There are one dozen speakers. You have taken the maximum time -- 13 minutes.

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ָ, ֻ ו֮ ֲ י פ, ֲ ֤ ״ֻ ֳ֬ , ֯ Ӹ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: There are more than a dozen speakers. ֌ ו֋ You seek only clarifications...(Interruptions)...Why speech?..(Interruptions)...

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ָ, , ָ Ӳ׬֟ סֵ ׸ ֜ ִֵ ״ֻ֟օ ָ ֙ , ָ ״׮Ù .. ָ , - ֙ , ֮ ֟ פ օ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now, you seek clarifications ...(Interruptions)... Now, you come to clarifications...(Interruptions)...

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֮ ֟ פ օ פ ֟ פ , ? ...(־֮֬).. ׻֋ ָ ־ֲ ֮ ִ ֵ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ã֟ ֕ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ָ ֋ , ֵ֤ ׯϵָ֮ ֵ֟ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

, ֤֟ ֤֟ , ִ ֟ ׸ օ ...(־֮֬).. ß ָ , ֯ ß ֟ , ֙ ֟ ָ ֙ ֟ ָ ָ ֙ ֋, Ӥ ֤֟ ן׾׬ֵ ֟ ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֬(. . . ׸֮) : ֯ 14 ״֮֙ ֋, ֯ ֌ ו֋

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ָ, ֮ ָ , ִ

ֳ֬ : ֯ ֤ և פ

׾ֵ֮ יָ : 㯟ָ֓ ָ ָ-ָ ָ ֵ , ָָ ָ ָָ ָ ָ , ִֵ ֤֟ ׮֯֙ ׻֋ ֛, ֛ ֯ ִ֬ ֮ ֟ ֆ, ָ ָ ֮ ֯ ֮֮ , ֯ և, ֯, ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ֤ ֯ ִ֣Ԯ , ָ֓ ֮ ֻ, ֻ ֙ ָ , ִ ֻ, ֻ ߴ ָ ֲ֟ ֻ֮ ִ ֻօ ֟פ ֵ , ֻ ֻ֟ և, ֻ֮ ָָ ֮ ֲ ֯ ָ ֤ ֻ֮ ֋, ֲ ֻ֟ ָ ֻ ֜ ִ֮ ׸ ָ ֋, ߻ ָ ֋ ֯ ֣Ԯ ֓ ָ Ӳ , ֤õ ָ ֕ ָ ֻ ֋, ֮ פ ֋

ֳ֬ : ֯ ֟ ו֋

׾ֵ֮ יָ : , ֮־֤

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2/ ָ

aka-nbr/2h/2:40

׸ ־ָ (ָ™) : ֳ֬ , ֲ ׮֮ ß־ ֵ , ׸ָ ܴ , ן ֤ Ӿ ß և , þֵ ֮ ֙ - ™֤ ֙ ־֮ ֣ , ֙ ֙ , condemn , ֟Ԯ

ӡ ֟ ֟և ֙ ָ , ֺ ؓ֟ ׾ֵ ֕ ֤֟ ֱ ָ , ׮ֵ ׻֋ ָ֟ ֮ ׸ãן ָ , ™ ִõ ™ߵ ִõ ִ֮ ָ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֟ ֮֕ן ָ ™ߵ ִõ ִ֮֬ ׮ֻ֮ ׿ֿ ֟ և, ߟִָ ָ ֤֟ ִ , ן , ֤֟ ֤֟ ָ ֟ ֤֟ , ûִ ֤֟ , ֻ֟ ִ ֋, ֻ֟ ֤֟ ׸ ֳ ִ֕ ׻֋, ׻֋, ™ ׻֋ ָ֟ ֲֻ ӵ㌟ , ӡ ֟ ֟ ׻ ״ , ֮ ӡ ״ , ָ ״׻֙ ״ , ִִ ߕ ֮ ָ ֤֟ ֲֻ , ִ֮ , ֮ ִ֮ ֺ ֟ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֵ ֮ ӡ ֲ֕ ־ֿ ,

( ֳ֯ן ߚ߮ )

ӡ ָ ׾ֿ ֮ ָ ֕ ִֵ֮ , ֯ ׾ֵ ִ ֕ ָ ׮֮ , ߓ ִֵ֮, co-ordination ן ־ֿ

ֳ֯ן , ֮֟ , ֵ innocent ֮֟ ָ ֟ ׻ ֮ ״ֵ ׻֋, ָ ֤ ֻ֮ ׻֋ - , ִ ָ ٟ֮֯ ֟ , ׻ ֮ וִָ ֓ ֋ ׻֋ וִָ , ָ , ֮ ׻ֵ, ֓և - innocent , ו֮ ֙ ӲӬ , ִ ֻ ֟ , ׸ָ ָ֮ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֕ʹ : ָ™

شری ابو عاصم اعظمی : مہاراشٹر میں تو ایسا ہی ہوتا ہے۔

׸ ־ָ : ָ™ , ֕ ָ ֻ֟ ֮֟ ֟ ֮֕ן ָ ֟ , ֯ ֟ ֮֕ן ֛ ֟ , ֯ ֮ פ ָ ו֋ ..(־֮֬).. ֮֯ ָ™ ִ ׻ֵ, ׻֋ , ֯ ִ֮ ֟ ׸

ֳ֯ן , ֤ ִ ֟ , ֻ ֮ ָ ֟ , ־ , ֺ , ־ֿ ָ ֤֟ ָ ֵ ֋, ֋

('2j/nb' ָ ָ)

NB/2J/2.45

׸ ־ָ (֟) : ™ߵ ִõ ֲ ֮ Ù ֚ ֱ ӡ ִ political parties, civil society, media and the public at large, ֲ ִ־ , ֲ ִ֣Ԯ , ֲ ֮֟ ֲ ֲ ִ֣Ԯ , ִõ ִ֮֬ ׻֋ ӡ ׾ßָ ֤ ֟ ָ֮ ָ ֮ ֻ ִֵ ֤֟ ֲֻ ׻֋ ֮ ֮ ӡ , ֮ ׻ ָ ֕ ָָ ߓ ִֵ֮ , ֲ֕ ֲ ֣ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ , ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

. ֤ (ָ Ϥ) : ֳ֯ן , - ֮֯ ֮ פօ ִ ֮ ֟ ֲ ̴֕֟ , ֤֟ , ֱ , ֻ , ׻֋ ׮ֵ֟ ֮ ײֻ-̴֕֟ ָ ֤ -

" ִ , ֕ ֮,

̸ ָ , ֵ֤ ֮"

׿ָ ָ ͸ , ׿ָ ֲָ? ֟ ו פ ָ֮ ֤ , ߮ , ִ ֜ ֟ ֕ և ָ֮ օ ֲ ָ ׮, ֵ֟ ָ Ϥ ܵ ӡ ֮ , , ֮ ײֻ educative conference , ו politics , religion , regional politics ֲֻ֟ , ֮ organisers ֲ ֕ incident , ̴֕֟ ָ ֟ mentality ֮֟ ִֻ֮ ִ , ؓ֟ ֕ subject ָ ֟ , ׻ ֕ ֟ , subject ָ ֟ , subject ָ ֟ ִֻ֮ ָ ָ ֛ , ֤֟ ֻ֟ ָ ָ ֛ - ָ ֲ , Õ֤ ִ֕ ֜ ָ֕ , ִ-Ù , ָ ֋, ִ-Ù , ָ ֋օ ָ , ָ ß֮ , ִ ֕ ֟-֟ ֟ , terrorism ֕ ִֻ֮ ָ ָ , ֕ ָ, ֜ ָ, ָ, ֛ ָ ־ֻ ָ ָ , ֓ ֮ , ײ֮-֤ , ֕ - ֛ ֕ ׿ ֛ և ִֻ֮ ָ ߲֟ בָ ֵ .... (־֮֬) , ָ ֟ ָ ֟ ։ ־͕֕ פ֮ ָ ־֮Դ Ù ֵ , ִ ߕ , ־֮Դ ֟ և Ù ־֮Դ ֣ ײ ֟ և ֲ ״ֻ- ֛և ֛

2K/VNK ָ ֿ:

-NB/VNK-VP/2k/02.50

. ֤ (֟) : ־֮Դ ־֮Դ ֻ ־ֻ ֲ collective responsibility ־ֻ ֛ ֮ ײ ׻֋ ? ֕ ָ ß ָ , ָ ִֻ֮ ׸Ù , ָ ֕ ו֮֟ ׸Ù ֲ ִֻ֮ ֮ ֟ ־ֻ ִֻ֮ ֤֟ ֮ ? ָ , ݵָ , ִֻ֮ ָ ׸Ù ֮ ׻ֵ ֋, ָ ֋ ׸Ù ֋ ֲ וִָ ׸Ù , ׻֋ ? ׯ֔ ֟Բ ֲ ׸ ֟ ֻ , ֟Բ , ևԴ ׻ֵ , ֱ ו֋, ֯ ֓֟ ָ ևԴ ֵ ֆ

ֳ֯ : ֮ ֻ օ

. ֤ : ֳ֯ן , ֈ ֻ ָ ֟Բ , ׯ֔ ֟Բ ׸ ׻֋ ׻ ָ ׻ ׻ ָ ֲ ֟ , ָ ֻ֮ ׻ ָ ֟ ׮֙ߕ ֣ , ֟ , ׮֙ ׸ ׻ֱ , ׻ֱ , ׻ֱ , ֮ , , ָ וִָ ֻ֮ ָ וִָ , ֜ ׻֋ ߓ ߓ , ִֆ ׸ ־֮ ֮ ֲ , , ִ ־֮ , ֕ ֮ ׸ ֟ ֮ ӯ֮ פ, ֮ ִ ָ ֟ , ִ , ֻ , , ־֮ ִ֮ ֛, ֮֟ ֛ ִ֮ ׻֋ ׮֙ , ׮֙ ߛ , ߛ , ֮ ֛, ֳ ֲֻ Ӳ , ִ ֟ ו ָ ָ ֟ ִ ֣ , ֱ ו֋, ֤ , ֛ ֟ , ָ ֲ , ֤֟ ß֮ ׮ֵ ׻֋ challenge ֮ ֵ ֮ פ ֵ , ָ ֟ party-politics ״ֵ֟ -ָ ָ ִ ֟ , ׸ ֤ ָ֟ ߕ , ָ -ָ ִ֮ , ֣ ֲ֮ օ ָ ױ ָ ֮ פ ߓ , օ

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ָ : ֳ֯ן , ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ִ ֟ և ֲ ִ ֟ և ֮֮ߵ ӡ ִ ָ ֟֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : , , ִ ָ ֟ և և ֕ ִ ִ ָ Ù օ

A separate statement will be made by the Home Minister on the situation in Assam.

ָ֕ ״ (ָ Ϥ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ָ, ֮։ ֲ֤ ִ ׾ñ ָ ֮ ׮ , ܴ , ָ ֕ ֓ ֻ ֟ ֌ֆ ֤֟ ָ ֮ ֟ , ֮-֮ ('2l/mp' ָ ָ)

MP/2L/2.55

ָ֕ ״ (֟) : ִ֟ ֤֟ ָ ו ָ ֙֋ י , ֻ 23 ־Ӳָ י Ӆ ָ, ꬵ, ֯ - ٴ ß ׻֋ ָ ֤֟ ֙֋ י Ӆ ִֵ ֓ ִֵ ֓ ֮ ֟ և ֕ ֌־ , ֌־ Ӥ ֟־ ֚ , ִ ֱ ָ ֲ ִ ״ֻ, ׌ ָ֬ ָ ֤֟ ֲָß ׾ָ , ׳ֵ֮ ֻ֮ ֟ և , ־֕ ו ָ ϵ֟ , ֋ וִָ ִ ֤ ֮֟ , Ͽ ֟ ָ ֋ ָ ֮ ֤, ו ָ ֙ãֻ , ָ ִ ׾ñ ֲ ׾ñ , ִֵ ϣִ ™ ߴ֮ ֵ ֵ , ӡ, ָ Ϥ ָָ , ֕ ֋ , ָ ׻֋ ֙֋ י Յ ֟׻ ן , ֲ ֟ , ֮։ , ֲ֤ , ֲ ֲֻֻ֨ ֤֟ ֙֋ և , ָ ֤ߵ . ָ ֮ ֮ ָ ׾ֵ֮ , ָ ָ ϵ֟ , פ ֯ , ևԅ ִ֟ , ָ ֯ ֣״ ֮ ֙֋ ? ֙ֆ þֺ , ߴ֮ ָ Ԯ ִ և ָ ׮ִֵ և ֻ ֵ ֵ , ֤֟ ֚ ָ ֙ և ? ֤֟ ֚ ָ ֙ ꬵ , ֮ , ֯ , ָ þֺ ֤֟ ֚ , ֤֟ ֚ ׮ֵו֟ ָ ֻ ָ ׮׿֟ ָ ز֤ ׮֬׸ ֋ ן ß ֋, ٣ ß ֋ ׮ ß ֋ ֲ ֓ ֻ , ӟ׸ , ֲ ֓ ֮ ... Ӥ և..և. 韾 ؙ ߅ ִ ֳ ֤֟ ֚ ã֟ և..և. ֵָ ֵ֤ ֵ - ꬵ, ָ, ֤, ֻ - ֵ֮ օ ֲָ , ָ ֵԾ ԅ ָ֟ ֙֋ ֻ ֻ ֮ , ֤֟ ֙֋, ֲ ׮֬׸ , ׮ֵו֟ , ֻ ֤֟ ֟ ֋ ֋ ָ ֋ ָ , ֮ ֯ ֮֮ ֛ ֻ֮ ֛ ֲ ״ֻ ָָ ׵֟ ֮֟օ ֕ ݵ ֟ ָָ ֕ ָָ ׮ֵו֟ ָ ָïָ ִӕõ ָ֬ ָ, ו ָ ֮ן ֮ ׾ֹ ׳ֵ֮ ֻ֮ , ׳ֵ֮ ֵֻ -ָ ָ ָ ָָ ֕ ָָ ֮ ֮ , ֕ ָָ ָָ ֮ , ִӕõ ִӕõ ָ ָ ֙ֆ , ָ ֲֻ ֲ , ָ ӛ ָ֟ ָ ֵֵֻ ָ ֻ , ֻ ֡ ֮ , ֮։ ֻ , ֻ ֡ ֮ , ꬵ ֻ , ֻ ֡ ֮ , ֟ ׿ֿ , ֤֟ ֙ ֟Ԯ , خ֤ , ָ ׸ þ֟ , ׳֮Ӥ .....

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