PREVIOUS HOUR

SC-USY/1.00/1M

0 ֮ (֟) : וִ ߕ , 滵 ָ 滵 ֤֟ ִ֮ ָ ֋ ֤֟ ֛ ־ ָ כ֮ ׸Ù ִ ֋ ֈױ ֮ פ ֮ ִ ֣ כ֮ ׸ פ - ֮ ֤֟ ֻ֟ ֵ ӟָ™ߵ ֤֟ ־ ™ߵ ֤֟ ָ֟ ָ ו֮֟ և ֤ , ׾ָ ֱ ֟֋ ָߵ ֤֟ ߕ ָ ָߵ ׸Ù ֈױ , ָ֟ ֟

ֳ֯ : , ̸ ֌ ו֋

0 ֮ : ָ Ϥ ָ, ֮֮ ָ ֤֟ ֛ ָָ ׻ ִֻ ? ָָ ֮ ֋? ָָ ֌׸ ߕ ? ָָ ׌ֵָ ׸ ָ֟ ֻ ? ָָ ֻ , ָ ִ ׻֋ כ ֕ , ֻ֮ , ׾֬֋ , ֲָָ خ ? - ָ ? ָ ֙ ֱ ֮։ , ָ ֋ ֯ ֤֟ ָ ֛? ֵ֙ ֯ ?

ֳ֯ : ߕ, ֯ ֌ ו֋

0 ֮ : ָ, ֌ ֯ ? ָ ֯ ֤֟ ֛և ֮ ? ָ ֯ ֤֟ ֛և ֛ ׻ ֮և, ֲ ٙ ֵ ֮և, ֯֙ ֵ ֮և, ә꿮ֻ ֓㋿֮ ә꿮ֻ ֮ ֮և ָ ֣ ִ ׸ ֳ ٙ ֙ ׻ ־ֻ ־ֻ , ־ֻ ָ ׾ ß ֋ - ָ ָ ™ ֋ ָ ֋ ™ ֋ ׻֋ ֯ ֟ ָ ֮ ֤֟ ו֮֟ ִֵ , ָ ֯ ֟ ׸ ֵ ֮և ־֮ ß ׻֋ ٙ ָָ ֮ ֟ ו֋ ָ ֯ ָָ ֋ ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ֯ ִ ֵ֟ , ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ֤֟ ֲֻ ֯ ֣ ֋, ֿ֟ ֯ ־ִ֟ ן ָ ֮֋Ӆ ֳ֯ן , ֯ ֛ ֳָ ֮֯ ֯ ֻ ָ ֮ ָ פօ ֮־֤

(ִ֯)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Hon. Members, this is a clarification on Statement. Let us not convert it into a full-fledged discussion. (Interruptions) Keeping the importance of the issue...(Interruptions) Yes, you can make mention of...(Interruptions) But please keep in mind that you have to seek specific clarifications. Instead of seeking all the general...(Interruptions)

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: In the morning, it was decided that it would be a discussion. (Interruptions) I am making this submission with due respect. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Ahluwaliaji, I am seeking your cooperation for running the House smoothly. But, at the same time, let us not convert it into a full-fledged discussion. Let there be no repetitions. (Interruptions)

..׻ֵ : ׯי֮ , Կ י

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Then, we can have a full discussion on internal security. (Interruptions)

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: What is this, Sir? (Interruptions) Let us continue the discussion. (Interruptions)

ק : ָ, ָ ָ י օ ֮֯ ָ כ֮ օ ..(־֮֬).. ֮֯ ֮ פ օ..(־֮֬)..

شری شاہد صدیقی : سر، اس پر ہمارا نوٹس تھا۔ آپ نے کہا تھا کہ اس پر ڈسکشن ہوگا ۔۔مداخلت۔۔ آپ نے آشواسن دیا تھا ۔۔مداخلت۔۔

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You see, I have to convey that this is a statement. (Interruptions) I have to say that these are the rules for a statement. (Interruptions)

..׻ֵ : Ù ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You yourself say...(Interruptions)... ? ֕߾ ㌻օ

֕߾ ㌻ (ָ™) : ֮־֤ , ֲ ֙ֆ ֲ ׮֮ ֮-ֻ ֮ , ׻֋ ֌ ֨ӕ׻ ٯ֟ ָ, ֮֯ ָ ֻ ױ ׸, ׻֋ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ָָ ִֻ ֟ ֮֮ ֲ ֛ ߕ ֙ֆ ֟ ֻ ãן ׻֋ וִָ ? ߴ ָ ֻ ? (1-ߋ ָ ֟)

MCM-VP/1N/1-05

֕߾ ㌻ (֟) : ֚ - ׸ ֚ , ִֻ ָָ ָ֮ ֯ ? ָ ֟ ָ ֵ ӳ߸ פև ևԅ ӡ ֵ֮ ֟ ו ֵ ָ ֕ ָָ ״ֻ ִִ ֋ 000 ߴ ָ Ù ָ Ù ӾÙ֮ ִ ־ 00 ־֮Դ 000 ֣ ״ֻ ְ߿ ֻ ִ , ֕ ֲָ ֜ ֻֻ ߲֮ ָָ ֋ ִֻ ָָ ָ ֟ օ ־ ָ ֻ֟ ֲ ָ ׾ֿ ϲӬ ֵ, ֲ֤ ֮։ և ו ӡ ֮֮ ָ֮ ևָ ָָ ֟ ֕ ָָ ߛ ָ ־ԕ׮ ã֮ ָ ןֵ֟ ָ Ϥ֮ ֋ ݵָ ևָ Ù ־֮Դ և և ? ָ ߕ ֙ פ ֮։ ߮ ׸Ù ֋ ׸Ù ֛ ֙ ӕִ ֻ ֵ֮ ֮ ֯ ֣ ֤ ֟ ô ֮ ֺ ֟, ױ ֟ ָ ָ֟ Ù ӡ ֮֮ ֤ ãן ָ ָ ֵ֮ ׸Ù ֟ ָ, ִ ֟ ִõ ֕ ֮֕ן ִõ և , ִõ , ™ߵ ִõ ֮ և ִ֟ ֮֕ן ָָ ־ ֮ ֤֟ ן׾׬ֵ Յ ׻י ֙ ־֮Դ ֓ ו ִ֮ ֤֟ ֙֋ ׻֋ ֲ ״ֻ֕ ֛ ֟ ִ ֟ ֲ ״ֻ ֛և ״ֻ , ֕֋ ָ ָ ָ ָ ֵ֤ ״ֻ֟ ֟ ֟ߕ ׮֮ ֻ ֕ ֟ ָ ָָ ӳ߸ ֲ ֤ ָ ֻ ָָ ӳ߸ ? ֲ ִָ פ ָ ֻ ֲ ָָ ӳ߸ ? ......(־֮֬)

00 ׻ֵ : ֲ ......(־֮֬)

֕߾ ㌻ : ָ ָָ ӳ߸ , ־ֻ .........(־֮֬) ֲ ֻ ָ ֻ ֲ ָָ ӳ߸ ?........(־֮֬) ָָ ӳ߸ ߅......(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֳ֯ן , ױ س֛־ֻ ֛օ.....(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ : ֯ ך......(־֮֬) יָ , ֯ ֯ ֮ ו֋ ......(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֯ Ӹ ֯ ֓ י פ ......(־֮֬)

֕߾ ㌻ : ׾ֵ֮ , ָ ֙ ָ --֤ ִ ָ --֤ ֮ ׮ֻ֮ ֮֯ ׮ß֮ ֵ օ ֟ , ֮ ָ ֟ .......(־֮֬) ױ ָ ָ ։օ.....(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ؙ ֯ ֮֯ ׾ָ օ.....(־֮֬)

֕߾ ㌻ : ؙ օ

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ִֵ ֯ -֮ٛ ָ ִ ֯ , ֮֯ ׾ָ ?......(־֮֬)

֕߾ ㌻ : , ֯ ײ֮ օ........(־֮֬)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record. ...(Interruptions).. He has not yielded. ...(Interruptions)... ֋, ֯ ך

֕߾ ㌻ : ֮ ֙֋ ™ ָָ ִ֮ ׻ֵ ֻ , ֯ ߸ ָ ֲ ֟ ׻֋ ֮־ָ, ו֮֟ ֙֋ ָ Ϥ , ֕ ָָ , ִ֙ , ֤֟ ֻ

(1O ָ ֿ:)

GS-PK/1O/1.10

֕߾ ㌻ (֟) : ָ ָ Ϥ ևԋֆև ֮ ֵ , ֟פ ֮ ֵ , פ ֮ ֵ , ֤֟ ӓ- ֻ ֮ օ ...(־֮֬)...

ו֮ ֮֮ ֤ ß֮ ֕ ׿ָ ֕ ֲ ֤ ָ֮ ß֮ ִõ ...(־֮֬)... ִõ ֲ ״ֻ ֛ ֛ ָָ , ӡֵֻ ֮֮ ָָ , ָ ֵԾ ? ׻֋ ןֵ֟ ֵ ֵ ? ־ ֤֟ ֵ, ָև ֤֟ ֮֟ , ֵ, ׻֋ ָָ ? ֮־֤

(ִ֯)

ָ (ָ Ϥ) : ֮־֤ ֳ֯ן ߅ ֲ ֵ֤ ֙ , ֟Ԯ ָ ֵ ן ֮ן ָ Ծ֟ ֌ֆ ׾ֿ 0 ֮ , և ֕߾ ㌻ ֮ ֌־ ֤֟ ״ֻ֕ ֛ ֟ , ֟ ֮֟ ָ ֯ ָ ֮֕ן , ֮֕ן ָ ָ ׾ָ֓-׾ִֿ ׾ֵ ֕ ß֮ ֟ ו ֤ ֕ , ָ , ֻ ָ ֻ , ֣ פ , ִָ פ , ֮ ָ ֤֟ ֻ Ͽ ֮ ֻ , ָ֟ ־ָ ֻ ֵ֯׻ ֓ , ֵ֯׻ ָ, ߻ ָ ִֵ, ו ִֵ ֱ ߛ ִֵ ־ ֕ ִ ׾ñ ֵ ֤ߵ ִֵ , ֲ֮ ֵ֛ , ֻ ֣ ֲ֤, ָ֮ ֮։ ߮ ָ ֵ օ ֮ ָ ׾ָ֤ օ ָ ߛ , ֱ , ֨ן և , ׮ִֵ և ִ֬ , כ ִֵ ֳ ߮ ָ ׾ñ ֵ ֲ֤ ꬵ ӟָ ꬵ, ָ֮ ֮։ ߮ ָ ִϤ׵ ֤ ײ֛ ׻֋ ֻ ֵ ׮ֵ֤ ֟ , ׾ִ֮ϟ ֣ ָ ֮֕ן ׾ָ ־֕ ֲ פ ָ ֻ ֲ ꬵ ִֵ ֻ֮ ֮ , ָ ֵ־ֻ ãן , ָ ָ Ϥ ֟ , ֕ ӡ , ִִ ֮֕ן ׾ָ ־֕ ָָ ָ ִֵ֮ ֟ ߅ ִֻ ߋ ָԮ ߴ֟ ׮ֵ Ӭ ֵ֮ ֵ ִֻ ֮֕ן ׿־ָ֕ י , ִֵ , ߴ֟ ׮ֵ Ӭ , ֵ־ֻ ֲ ״ֻ֕ ִ , ׻֋ ֕ ֛ ֵֿ ֟ ߮ ֤֟ ֟ Ϥ ֛-֛ ֆ , þָ ׮ֿ֮ ָ ֵ֮ , ־֕ ܵ ӡ ֵ֮ ֟ ֮ ߅ ֮։ ߆ևԕ , ܵ ӡ ׵֟ ߆ևԕ ״ֻ, ֟֓ߟ ֲ ܵ֟ ֤֟ ֵ þָ ֛-֛ ׮ֿ֮ ָ , ֯ - ן׸ ֮ ϟ ֿ߯ ֵ־ֻ , ׿־ָ֕ י ߵ ָָ ? ֲ ֤֟ ֵ ֵ ֤֟ þָ ֛-֛ ָ ׮ֿ֮ ָ , ־֤֕ ֯ ָָ ָ ָ ֮ ׵֟ , ֟ ֻ ָָ ㌟ , ֛ ׮ָֿ ׾ֵ ֱ ֮ , ֮ ֟ ֤ ֟ , When Rome was burning, Nero was laughing.

ֲ ֻ , ߸ ֕ օ ָ ֲ֤ , ָ֮ ֮։ ִ ׾ñ ܵ ӡ 㴲և .. ...(־֮֬)...

SHRI SATISH CHANDRA MISRA: Sir, this is not permissible. ..(Interruptions).. (Contd. by 1P/PB)

PB-ASC/1P/1.15

SHRI SATISH CHANDRA MISRA (CONTD.): Sir, I rise to say that somebody who is not in the House ...(Interruptions)... the hon. Member is trying to raise ... ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: He can answer. It is not an individual ... ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SATISH CHANDRA MISRA: Sir, I request ...(Interruptions)... that he should confine to this; he should not bring party politics over here. It is a pittance, ֮֮ߵ ָ ߤ ֈ ֮ ׮ֵָ ָ , ָ ָ ֮֕ן ֋ , ֮֕ן ӳ߸ ׾ֵ ָ, ָ ֮֕ן ׬ָ ...(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ״ , ֯ և ..(־֮֬). ֯ և, ֯ և ..(־֮֬)..

֟߿ ֮ ״ : ׾ֵ , ָ ֮ ׬ָ ..(־֮֬).. ߕ ָ ָ ֟ ...(־֮֬)..

ָ : ָ ׬ָ ֯ ? ...(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ֯ ך, ֯ ך ..(־֮֬)..

֟߿ ֮ ״ : ָ ֧ և , ֲֻ֟ ָ ֮ ׮ֻ ™ ֣ ֮ ֕֟ ..(־֮֬)..

ָ : ֯ ֧ ״ֻ և , ֯ ˙ ?..(־֮֬).. օ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ֯ ִ ֟ ו֋

ָ : ֳ֯ן , , ִ օ ...(־֮֬).

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: They can mention the 'office', but not the name. ...(Interruptions)...

ָ : ָ, ִ ׻ֵ ִ օ ֮ ״֡ ߛ , ׻֋ ִ , ֮ ֟ ֮֜ ...(־֮֬)..

֟߿ ֮ ״ : ߛ ..(־֮֬)..

ָ : ִ , ָ Ϥ ָָ ֮ ־ã ָָ ָ פ ׌ ׻ ָ Ϥ ָָ , 25 ָ ֯ ׮ֻ פ ֵ 27 IPS ױ פ ֵօ ...(־֮֬)..

֟߿ ֮ ״ : ֮־ָ, ָ Ϥ ָָ , 괲ֻ 꿓֮ ָ ָ ,...(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ָ , ָ ...(־֮֬)..

ָ : ֻ֟ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..27 IPS ױ ...(־֮֬)..

֟߿ ֮ ״ : ٻִֵ ָ ־ֻ ..(־֮֬).. ...(־֮֬).. ָ Ù 괲ֻ ֙ ..(־֮֬). ٻִֵ , Ù 괲ֻ ...(־֮֬)

Ƥ ק : ֕ ֤֟ ׻֋ ֵ ֮֯ ׻ ָ - פ ...(־֮֬)..

شری شاہد صدیقی : آج آتنک واد اس لئے نیا ہے کہ آپ نے پولس کو پوری طرح سے تہس نہس کر دیا ہے ۔۔مداخلت۔۔

֟߿ ֮ ״ : ֻ , ...(־֮֬). Ù 괲ֻ , ־ֻ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ : ? ..(־֮֬)..: Are we serious in discussing the issue of bomb blasts or are we just ... ...(Interruptions)...

ָ : ׻ Ù ..(־֮֬)...

֟߿ ֮ ״ : Ù ָ 25 ָ ׮ֻ פ ֋ ...(־֮֬)..ָ ׮ֻ פ ֋ ִ , ߛ ָ ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ֋, ߕ, ֯ ך, ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)..Please confine the discussion only to the bomb blasts. Let us not extend it. ...(Interruptions)... ֋, ...(־֮֬).. My request is, please confine to the issue because the discussion is for limited purpose; we are not discussing the entire thing. ...(Interruptions)... Please confine to the issue. ...(Interruptions)...

ָ : ָ, ״ ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sir, are you going to keep words like * in your records? ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Pardon please.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sir, he is saying, *. Are you going to keep that in the record? ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No; that has not gone on record. ...(Interruptions)... That has not gone on record. ...(Interruptions)... You see, anybody who is speaking without permission will not go on record. ...(Interruptions)...

______________________________________________________________

* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

DR. FAROOQ ABDULLAH: But how do you stop that from going on the television? ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: That we can discuss. ...(Interruptions)...

ָ : ָ, IPS ָ Ϥ ֮ ׻֋ ӡ ן ֛ IPS ָ ־֛֮ ָ, ָ ֟ ֙ ָ Ϥ ָ Ϥ ו ߅ ֕ ӡ , ֮։ ߻ ֵ֟ ָ כÙ ֕ , ֙ ֤ 6 ә ִ ֛ 6 ә ֤ ֟ ֻ ִ ֛ , ֻ ֮։ ֻ֟ ׸ָ 6 ә ִ ֛ ִ ׻ , ֮֟ ׯ֔ פ ܵ֟ ֤֟ ֋ , ֮ ֛ ׮ֿ֮ ָ Ӆ ֱ ֮ ׾֮֬ ֳ Ͽ ֵ, ִ , ָָ ָ ܵ ӡ þֵ 25 Ӿֿ߻ וֻ , ָ ֟Ӿפ ן׾׬ֵ ...(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ֟ և

ָ : ֯ ֟ ֮ ߅ ֲ ֮֯ ׾֮֬ ֳ ֮ 25 וֻ ן Ӿֿ߻ ֤֟ ֯ ָָ ָ וִָ , ֓ ָ ֕ ָָ ׾־ָ ֯ ָ ָ ֮֯ פ (ֿ : 1q/sch ָ)

1q/1.20/skc-sch

ָ (֟): ָ ֮֯ פ , ָ ֟ , ָ ֵ ָ ֤֟ ֋, ֟פ ֮

׾֮֬ ֳ ָָ ֵ֮ ֵ 25 וֻ Ӿֿ߻ , ־֕ :-: ә ֮։ ׸ָ ִ ֛ , ֟ , ӳ߸ ֟ ָ ָָ ֮ ־ã ִ ָ և , ָָ ־ß ӛ , ֲ֤ ָֻ֟

׾ֵ֬ ֙ և , ֛ ֟ ָ ִֵ և, և, ֯ և, , ֯ , ֳ ׻֋ ֮ ִ ֋, ָ , ײ֮ ֋ ָָ ֋ ֕ ָָ ֋, ֤֮ ָ ֤֟ ֵ , Ͽ֮ ָָ ֮ וִָ ㌟ -ָ ָ ָ ֟ ־֮ ן , ו ־֮ ֤ ֲ֮ ֵ ֤֟ ֻ , ֙ ָ, ֯ ִõ ֲֻ ֲ ״ֻ- ֲֻ , ֲֻ ָ ׌ , ֻ֮ , ֲ֕ ֤ օ - ֮־֤

(ִ֯)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY (WEST BENGAL): Sir, at the outset, I wish to state that my party, the Communist Party of India (Marxist), unequivocally condemns these terrorist attacks that have taken place. We deeply mourn the loss of lives and the injuries that have been sustained. But, at the same time, it is not merely a question of expressing concern and condemnation because the choice of places that have been chosen by the terrorists is also very ominous. The fact that the judicial arena, which was outside the purview of terrorist attacks so far, has also been drawn into their orbit and that in courts such explosives were planted and they could actually cause such a large number of deaths is ominous and this is a warning that the Government must take very seriously.

Sir, I do not know whether you are permitting a discussion or allowing us only to seek clarification but since it is taking the form of a discussion, I would like the Minister also to apprise us of the level of Intelligence that is there in our country today and whether there are any serious lapses that are occurring and why these are not being corrected. We cannot see these blasts only in isolation; in the last so many months we had a series of blasts taking place all over the country, at the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad, in the city of Hyderabad, and now, in Varanasi, Faizabad and Allahabad. In all these places, why is it that the Intelligence apparatus is not able to forewarn us? Now, this is a serious issue which needs to be gone into in depth and I hope the Government will be able to do so and apprise us in the Parliament as to why the process of being forewarned in such attacks is not taking place.

Sir, I refer to para 8 of the Minister's statement. We fully appreciate the concern of the Government and the fact that the fight against terrorism has to be fought at different levels and involving the civil society and the media is also very important; we fully understand this. But the question that we have to understand now, and which is very important in my opinion, is that it will be very unfortunate if we were to bracket all these terrorist attacks into some sort of a straitjacketed Muslim extremism or Muslim terrorism. We have been victims of terrorist attacks that run across all forms of religious affiliations and all forms of regional affiliations. In fact, we have lost two of our Prime Ministers to such attacks, and the perpetrators of these assassinations had nothing to do with Muslim terrorism or Muslim extremism. Therefore, let us not confine this only with ideological blinkers, as some people have said, in order to target one community. If the Minister and the UPA Government are sincere about para 8 of theirs, then the atmosphere has to be created of sincere security amongst the minorities in our country. On that, we are still appalled as to why in spite of the Sachchar Committee recommendations, in spite of the status of the minorities that has come before all of us, even now action on that is not proceeding. We would like to warn the UPA Government that no action on that count will be tantamount to succumbing to pressures of the principal Opposition's charge that they are suffering from Muslim appeasement, and they cannot afford that charge to be labelled against them. Therefore, immediate action must be taken on that score. (Contd. by 1r/hk)

HK/1r/1.25

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY (CONTD.): The point is to create the confidence amongst the minorities and, I think, that in targeting the courts one of the messages that is being sent is that, yes, the guilty must be brought to book and those who are perpetrating such crimes must be brought to book. But in the name of bringing the guilty to book, innocent people should not be harassed and innocent people should not be hounded and that is the responsibility that the Government will have to take. This is very important. Otherwise, as we all agree, fight against terrorism is not merely a law and order question. When we had POTA adorning the statute book, you had attacks and very vicious terrorist attacks that took place even on this Parliament, on the Red Fort, on the Akshardham Temple and on the Raghunath Temple. So, it is not a question of lack of law. What is required is a concerted, united and a concentrated determination to get rid of this problem and this menace and that is what we have to work for and let us not divert the attention into saying whether laws are adequate or not. If you want the larger issue to be taken up, as has been said in para No.8, not only the question of creating confidence amongst the minorities, but also the question of mobilising a larger opinion in marshalling all the patriotic forces that we have in the fight against terrorism becomes very important. Since the reference has been made, I would also like to refer to the question of Taslima Nasreen's issue. The question is whether she will be here or not or whether her visa will be extended or not which is the exclusive prerogative of the Central Government and they will take decision on that issue. But once she is allowed to live in our country -- and where she will live in our country, the Central Government can decide -- the protection has to be given. But this has to be a universal principle for everybody. You cannot stop Maqbool Fida Husain from entering India because he is affiliated there and now plead for security to Taslima. This duplicity cannot be allowed. And one of the most illustrious sons of our country, Fida Husain, is charged as saying you hurt our religious sentiments. But what Taslima will do? For her, you want protection, but for Husain you adopt a different standard, this cannot be allowed. ..(Interruptions).. Fight against terrorism ..(Interruptions).. Sir, I am not yielding. ..(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: He is not yielding. Nothing will go on record. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI VINAY KATIYAR:*

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Through you, I would like to tell Mr. Narayanasamy that the point I am raising is that in the fight against terrorism, you cannot be discriminatory. You cannot say that different standards will apply to Husain and different standards will apply to Taslima. ..(Interruptions).. So, three years' protection has been given in Bangal and it will again be given if you extend the visa. ..(Interruptions)..

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* Not recorded
'You' means the Government and that is your decision. What do you want to do?

(THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN) in the Chair.)

So, let us not divert ourselves into these issues. If sincerely you want to fight against terrorism, let us not bring in your partisan politics here in the fight against terrorism in which case you are only encouraging the terrorists and you are not fighting terrorism. So, therefore, in a united fashion, if we all believe that, yes, terrorism is a menace that has to be fought, then whether it is LTTE, whether it is North-Eastern terrorist, or whether it is muslim organistion, all of them must be treated on par, and there cannot be any discrimination between the two to suit your or somebody else's political purposes and objectives. Therefore, Sir, on this particular issue, I don't think that we should get diverted onto the question of imposing new draconian laws like POTA or bringing in other issues to suit our political purposes. Let us, as Indians, today, stand firm and united, saying any expression of terrorism which comes from any corner that will have to be fought and let us not be victims of a clash of civilisation that is taking place. And that is the language of US imperialism and that is the language which we are also seeing here with principal Opposition party which is not acceptable to us as Indians and, therefore, what I am again re-emphasising is that the fight against terrorism will have to be unitedly taken up and done without putting on ideological blinkers. (Cont. by 1s/KSK)

KSK/HMS/1.30/1S

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY (CONTD): We have lost many stalwarts in our country as a result of this terrorist activity from the Mahatma down to two Prime Ministers and to many other thousands. Let us now marshal our forces, brace ourselves to actually root out this problem through a united effort. I would request the UPA Government to sincerely implement para 8 of the Minister's statement drawing all the sections that can be drawn in this fight against terrorism and create that confidence among the minorities or among anybody else who are aggrieved that solution to their grievances cannot be by terrorist methods. That sort of a confidence has to be created, and I hope that the Government will take these measures and steps in this direction.

(Ends)

DR. V. MAITREYAN (TAMIL NADU): On behalf of the AIADMK Party, I strongly condemn the serial bomb blasts in U.P. on 23rd November. Three months ago, on 29th August, we debated about the Hyderabad bomb blast. I do not know when we will be debating again about yet another bomb blast in the next few weeks or months. In the last debate on the Hyderabad bomb blast, I had demanded from the Home Minister a White Paper on the various terrorist attacks that took place in the country during the last three-and-a-half years of the UPA rule. But, nothing has been done. Now, the Government has come out with a routine and a bland statement. I charge that the UPA Government is taking the issue of terrorism very lightly and casually. The blasts in U.P., Hyderabad, Malegaon, etc., are only outward symptoms; the root cause of the disease is that the UPA Government has no plan or proposal or vision for tackling terrorism. It is routinely said that the I.B. has alerted the State Governments; whether it is Hyderabad bomb blast, or an alert to Chennai, or now, the I.B. has given alert to U.P. It looks as though the Central Government is acting only like a messenger or a postman. Is it enough if the message is simply passed on to the State? What is the role of the Central Government in all these cases? The biggest blunder committed by the UPA Government is the repeal of POTA for political considerations. This, coupled with the soft approach of the UPA Government towards tackling terrorism, has emboldened the terrorists to strike with that will. What is needed is the political will and the firm resolve to fight terrorism with an iron hand. I urge the Central Government to immediately bring back the POTA and tell the citizens of this country that it is serious about the security of the country.

(Ends)

֮ ֻ ӛ (ײָ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ֕ ֤ ו ׾ֵ ָ ֓ ָָ ױ֮ , ׾ֵ ֮֕ן , ָָ ׾ֵ Ϥ Ӳ׬֟ ֵ ֮ ֟ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ױ֮ , ֮ ִ֬ ֤ خ֤ ֮ Ӿ ׌ֵ ן ֌ , ֲ ֮ ֮ ֙ ׌ֵ ן Ӿ ֌

, ֟ ָ 0 ֮ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֟ ָָ ׾ֵ ן ӳ߸ , ֟ ֟ þֵ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֌־ פ , ӛ 7 8 ָָ ֤֟ ֛ ׻֋ ֮ ֲ֮֓֨, ֮ ןֲ֨ ָ ֤ ִ֮ , -߮ ֟ օ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ß֮ ֤֟ (1 /֕ ָ ֿ:)

1T/KLG-GSP/1.35

֮ ֻ ӛ (֟) : ֮֟ ß֮ ִֻ ָ ִֻ ָ ׿ ִֻ ן־ ֵ , וִ ֵ ׯ֔ ß֮ ׾ ֤ ו֮֟ ٣ ֵ֟ և , ִִ ֵ ֮ ָ ֱֻ ֤֟ ֵ ..(־֮֬).. ִ֮ ָߤ , ֤ߵ ֺ ß֮ ֤֟ ֤֮֟ , ֤֟ ֛ ß֮ ו֮ ֤֟ ֚ ֮ פ, ֕ ֻ֮- , ֕ ֤֟ ֛ ֕ ֤֟ ֱ ׯֻ֑֮ ָ Ͼ ֟ ׻֋ ָ ִõ ִõ ֛ , ֛ , ָ ֻ ֛ ׻֋ ָ ִõ Ϥ , ֙ , ׻ ™ߵ ִõ , ו ֤ ׻֋ ֟ ֟ , ֮֮ߵ ֤õ , ָ ֯ ֓ , ֮ ־ã ׾ֵ ֕ -־ã ׾ֵ ֮ ֵ ָ֕ , ֙ , ӛ , ׿ ã֮ , ֵֵֻ , ֕ , ֟ ֤֟ ו֮ ך֮ ָ , ֕ ã֮ ֤ ֵ ֟פ ב֮ , þֺ ֤ ׻֋ ָָ ֮ ֮ן ׸֟Ԯ օ ָ Ϥ ߮ ָ ֙֋ ֙, ָ ָ ֕ ָָ ִֵ ָ , ױ ֮ ״ֻ, ָָ ֤ ֮֟ ֕ ָָ ו֮ ָ ֟פ ָָ , וִ ָָ ֱ֟ ״ֻ , ָ ֟פ ָָ ֿ֟ Ӥ ָ , ֵ֮ פ, ֤ ֣ י , ֻ ֕ ׾ָ֓ ֮ֆ ֤֮-Ϥ֮ ִֻ ִֵ֮ ? ײ֮ ָ ֮֮ օ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׸և , ָ ֮ ן Ͽօ

ָ, ִֻ ֱ ָ Ϥ , ֳ ֕ ֙֋ ֙ ٴ ã֮ ָ ֙֋ ֙ , ָ ָ ֙ , ֵ פ ֙֋ ֙ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ָ ֕ ִֺ֟ ָ֬ ָ ֻ ֮֮ ֕ ָָ , Ͽ׮ ӡ , ׻ ӡ , ױ ӡ ױ ӡ , ߓ ִֺ֟ ָ֬ ָ ֤֟ ֱֻ ֛ ׻֋ ֻ ֮ ֮ ? , ֬׮ ? ָ ׸ױ֮ ֮֮

ָ, ӡ ֤ ֻ ֋ ָ ֟, ָ֮ ״ֻ , ָ ֤֟ ֚ כ֮ ׸Ù ִ ֤ߵ . ׻ֵ , ׾֤ ֤֟ ֚ ִ֤ ׻֋ ִ , ־ ֤֟ ֚ , ֿ-- , - ֤֟ ֚ , ו ֲ ׸ד֟ , ױ ֲ-߮, --֤, ֤֕ , ִ , --ָ, ֲ֮--, , ߸ ֤ , և ֻ, Ù û״ ִ כ ֮ ִ ֵ ֚ ֵ , ָ ָ ֙֋ ֙ , ߮, ־ ֵ ֚ , כ֮ ׸Ù ִ ֮ ִ ׸֟Ԯ ׻ֵ ָָ ֮֮ ֤֟ ֚ , ־ ֮ ֚ ? ָָ ֤ ֮֟ , Ӹ ״ֻ֟ , ״ֻ , ևָ ֻ֟ , ֻ֮ , ֣ ָ ֮ , - ֤֟ ֚ , וִ ״ֻ , - ־ֵ ߮ Ӹ֟ (1/ ָ ֿ:)

aka-ysr/1u/1:40

֮ ֻ ӛ (֟) : ױ ָ , פ ֟פ ֵãֻ ֮ פ ׻ ָ ִ , פ ָָ ָ ִ , פ ֟פ ֵ , shelter ״ֻ , פ ֲ ֛ ׻֋ ָָ , ֮ ך֮ ֤ , פ ֵ , ָ ֮ ָָ ִ כ, ֳ ִ֕, ֮֕ן ֮֟, ֲ ״ֻ ֛ ׻֋ 0 ו֮֟ ֤֟ ֟ ֕ פ ֟ , ֟ פ ֻ֟ ֟ ֵ֬߿ ֟ ֻ ֋ ֕ , ߔ ֵ֤ ָ ׻֋ ײ֮ ָָ ׸և

֟ ֣ ֮ ֟ ִ֯

(ִ֯)

ָ ֤ (ײָ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ָ Ϥ ߮ ִ-׾ñ ֮-ֻ ֮ , ׮֮ ֯ ׮־ ֕ ֕ , ִõ ָ և ߔ ֻ , ׮׿֟ ָ ֮-֮ ֵָ ֻ -ָ ָ ָ ֣ ִ ֮֕ן ..(־֮֬)..

֮ ֻ ӛ : , ִ ֮ ו֋օ ִ ֮ ֻ ӛ , ֮֯ פ ӕֵ ֻ ӛօ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): I correct it. It is Mangani Lal Mandal.

֮ ֻ ӛ : ֮ ֻ֟

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Sorry for that mistake.

֮ ֻ ӛ :

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Your name can never be wrongly said or written.

֮ ֻ ӛ : ָ ֻ֟ , ֵ ֮ ™ օ

ָ ֤ : ֳ֬ , ֯ ׮־ ׾ ִõ ִõ ׮ֲ֙ ׻֋ ָָ , ֕ ָָ ָָ , ״ֻ ִ ֕ ָָ ײָ - ָ , , ֲ ֲ׻ֵ֟ և ֳָ ֟־ָ , ٙ ֻ , masses ӳ߸ , ָ ִ ֮֯ ֲ ָ Ϥ ִֻ ָָ ָ ֵ֮ , ֙ -߮ פ ֋, ָ ֺ ֵ֮ ֛, ָָ ӳ߸ ֻ ָ ָ, ֮֯ ָ ֤ ã֟ օ , ֵօ ָ ֮֯ ֤ ã֟ , ֮ ӳ߸ ֯ ָ! ֮ ֯ ״׮Ù ? ױ ߮ ֤, ֙ פ ָָ ֋ ֵ Ӭ ֋ , ֋ ָָ Ù ֻ֟ פ ֮ ևԅ ֮ ? Ӭ ? ֙ ָָ Ӭ , , ֮ ֤ ׻ֵօ ִ֟ ָ , ׸Ù , ֌ ֟ , ִֵ , ֤ , 100 , ִ ֲ masses ֙ , ֮֟ ־ָ ֮֋, ֮֟ ߓ ֮֟ ֙ ֤֟ , ֮ ו֋ ֕ ֻ֮֟ ֵ, ֮-֮ ך֮ ֤ և , և ָ֮ ֻ ָ ִָ օ ('1w/nb' ָ ָ)

NB/1W/1.45

ָ ֤ (֟) : Ӳָ , Ӳָ הֵ ױ ™ߵ , ֕ ֙ ֻ , ֙ , ֟ ܵ ӡ ֮֟ ױ ָ ָ ֕ ׻֋ ָ ׮֟ ֮֮ פ , ָ Ϥ , ײָ , ָ™ , ֛ , ܵ ӡ , 24 ә , ִ , ֮ alert , ֮ ß-ß ִ ܵ ӡ , ֕ ׾־֤ ֻ ܵ ӡ ֮ ֆ ָ , ֟ , ֟ , ֯ ֮ , ֮ ֙ ָ ֤ ܵ ӡ ֮ ו֋, ײ֚ ו֋, 24 ә օ ָ ִõ֋ ֮ ָ ׾־֤ , NDA ָָ POTA ֵ, POTA ֻ֟ ׌ֵ֟ ֵ֟ ֵ, ֮ ִ֯ ֵօ ָ ֮ , פ , ֛և ֕ ִ֮ ֻ , 3 Ù ֟ ֻ , ֛և Ӳ ֻ֮ ֻ

ֳ֯ן , ֤ ֟ ֟ Ԯ ָ 㯟, ֙ ֤õ , , ׻ 20 ֋ ָ 80 ֤ , ֮ ߾֮-֮֯ ָ߲ , ָ ֲ ָ פ , ֯ ™ ׌ ָ ׌ֵ ֚ ֮֜ ? " ֮֕ ֻ" - ֯ ֮֕ ֮ ? ֕ ָ֓ ׸ և , ֙ ֟ פ ֯ ûִ ֆ, ֮ ָ߲ , ֮ :-, ֮ ָ֓, , ֟ ׮֮ - ך , ֮ ײֻײֻ֟ ֲ֤ , ך֮ , ֯ ָ ֋, ָ ֋ ָ߲ ֤ ו֋ ßֻ ו֋ ׻֋ ֤֟ ֛ ß , ß , ֲ ֋ , ֤ ֮֯ 60 ו ָ ָ ֮ פ , ִ ָ ֯ ֣ , ָָ , ֮֟ ־ã , ִ ֮ ӕֻ , ֮ ־֙ ֯ ָ߲ ֤ ִ , ִ߮ ָ ֟ ָָ ׮־֤ ֟߿ ֮ , ׮־ ״ֻ- ֋ ָ Ϥ, ֲ ֛ , ײָ , ָ™ , ֛ וִָ ֮֟ ֮ ־ã ֣-֣, ߮ Ù , וִָ , ™ וִָ ִ ֮֕ן ָ ֮ ָ ֟, ߱ ִܵӡ ֻ֟ ֵ֮ פ ֲָ և , ֮֟ ֲָ , , ֮ ֛ ָָ ֮ , פ ָָ ֲָ և, ? ָ ӕ-ӕ ӡ ָ , IB , ә׻֕ , ֻ֟ Ӥ֮ ֤ , ֲ Ӥ֮ ֤ , ֻ , Ù IB , ֤ ִ ֻ , ָ ֲָ ֟ , ֲָ , ֻ֟ , ָ , CID , ֮ ֮ ׻ ֻ ֕ , ֤ ֕ ֮ ֵ , ֤ ֯ ֤֟ , ? پ ߿ ֮ֆ ֲ IB ֟ , ә׻֕ ֟ , ׻֋ ֟ ֯ پ ָ ֮ ֣ ׻ ֻ , -ß ָ , ֟ ֣ ֻ ֤ , ֻ֟ ָ ? ֮ ֯ ֲָ ӕ-ӕ ֕ ָ ٙ ӕ-ӕ և

1X/VNK ָ ֿ:

VNK/RSS/1X/1.50/

ָ ֤ (֟) : ٙ ִ ֱ ־ ֛ , ߮ ߮ ֤ ־ ֟ ֬ , ֙ , ֤ ֟ , ߮ ߮ ֤, ߮ ֤ ָ֟ ־ ֣ ٙ ԟ ״ֻ֟ ԟ ִ ֯ ֛ ֮ ֿ ֮ ֮ ֙, ֮ ֙ ָ ָ ֙ ֲ ֣, ֙ خ֤ ֤ ֳ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ӳ߸ , ָ Ӳ ִֵ ߔ , Ӳ ִֵ ֮ ֮ ׮֯֙ (ִ֯)

SHRI SATISH CHANDRA MISRA (UTTAR PRADESH): Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity. First of all, I condemn this incident which has taken place. On behalf of my party, I condole the family members of the victims. I would like to submit that this is a situation where, as rightly said by Shri Sharad Yadav, Shri Sitaram Yechury and other Members, we have not to take it as party politics or use this thing for the purpose of infighting. It is a national calamity which has taken place. This incident is an attack on the nation. Therefore, we should take it in that spirit. I fully agree with the statement made by the Minister of State for Home Affairs that this is a time when all of us and the whole country should stand unitedly, and not take this opportunity for the purposes of using it as an intra-party issue creating politics and using it for that as a platform. The situation has arisen which shows that this is not the incident of first terrorist attack. It has started right from this Parliament, it has gone into the temples, it has gone into the Ajmer Sharief, it has gone into the institutions at Bangalore, it has gone into other places. For example, bomb blasts in the market places in Delhi. It is not in U.P. that the first bomb blast has taken place or some terrorist activity has taken place. It was there earlier also in U.P. In the earlier regime, there was a bomb blast inside the temple at Varanasi itself, and then at Gorakhpur. But all the parties at that time had refrained from commenting that it was on account of certain party in power not being able to control. But our party had made a statement that this was an attack which should have been condemned by all, and we should stand unitedly. Unfortunately, today, the issue has been sought to be converted by some hon. Members, and I appeal to them that they should have a rethinking on this and see whether this should be taken as an opportunity for this purpose. Only a few days ago, in the State of U.P., 3 terrorists who have come with a plan which was going to affect the big man of this country were nabbed by the police. Instead of appreciating and saying that they have done this activity, they are trying to make it into a situation where they are saying that the State Government has said or a statement was made by the Chief Minister to this effect that we had not got information from the Central Government, without looking into what was the statement and what was the question which was put by the press. If the press puts a question whether you had information with respect to this terrorist attack planning in the courts, the answer was 'no, we had not received any such information from the Central Government.' Now, whatever information comes, that is always taken care of and immediately, action is taken. Both the Central Government and the State Government, not only the State of U.P., I am sure, all the States of the country, they are always in touch with each other, and coordinate with each other, and that is how the situation is handled. As was pointed out by some Members, this is the largest State having 18 crores of people, and if an incident has taken place inside the court premises there, the reasons have been given. It has come in the e-mail and other things why they did so. That is to be looked into. It is a bigger thing which has to be considered, and after considering that, how to solve that. We should unitedly think how to control this menace. (contd. by 1y)

MKS-MP/1.55/1Y

SHRI SATISH CHANDRA MISRA (CONTD.): My senior learned colleague, Mr.Joshi, said that he has knowledge of certain terrorists camps and certain terrorist activities happening in his own district. If he has certain information, it could be furnished. Action will be taken. Whatever information he has could be divulged, and action will immediately be taken by the Central Government and the State Government against all concerned persons. Of course, up till now, an incident like this was happening in temples, but now it is happening in the temple of courts. And as rightly said, the intention of the terrorists is to see that the courts also are terrorised and the judicial actions being taken therein are disturbed. So, this is a serious thing, and this is what is to be considered. So far as the State Government is concerned, the State Government has already informed the Committee; the Central Government has already made a statement--which has been circulated here--that the State Government has taken notice of it, and it has taken all the precautions. So far as the courts are concerned, we have to understand one thing that within the jurisdiction of the courts, the High Court comes. We provide whatever security is required, and which we think should be provided, but it is to be provided with the consent of the Chief Justice or the concerned court. Immediately after this incident, the security has been beefed up in all the district courts and the High Court. And a letter has also been written to the High Court for seeking their permission so that we can enter into the premises and put more strength so far as courts are concerned. But it is not only in the courts but also in other places that the security has been beefed up by the State Government, and steps are being taken to see that such incidents do not happen again. And as rightly said by Shri Sharad Yadav, the manner in which this incident has taken place is such that it is very difficult to tackle even if some information is there that some activity at some place is going to take place. Despite that, whatever best possible measures for taking precautions can be taken are being taken, and will be taken. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Thank you, Mr. Misra. Now, Shri Ravula Chandra Sekar Reddy.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sir, I will take one second. I just want to ask my colleague that if Government was so serious, if they knew about it, and if the Centre had given them the information...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No, no, no. Why should you ask your colleague? You can put a question only to the Minister.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sorry. Through you, Sir, I am asking. ...(Interruptions)... Can I ask through you, Sir?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No, no; you cannot put a question to your colleague like this.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Pardon me, Sir?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): You can put it to the Minister; otherwise, I will give you time. Then, you can ask.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sorry. Which Minister?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I will give you time and, then, you can ask. ...(Interruptions)...

AN HON. MEMBER: The Parliamentary Affairs Minister is there. You can ask him. ...(Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You can ask the Minister. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: If they were so serious, and if the information was being given by the Centre that there was some terrorist activity going on, in a very, very large measure, in Uttar Pradesh, how can the Chief Minister and the other Ministers of a State go out? ...(Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No, no, no. That is okay.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: How can they go out when such a serious incident has happened? ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SATISH CHANDRA MISRA: My statement is wrongly looked into, Sir.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sir, how can the Minister go out when such a serious incident has happened, to do political activities? I just want to ask this.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: That is okay. That is enough. ...(Interruptions)... Shri Ravula Chandra Sekar Reddy. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: This shows how serious you are!

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: If you want to make a point, you will be given time later. But there is no need to interrupt like this. ...(Interruptions)... I thought, you are going to put a question to the Minister, but you are putting it to your colleague.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (ANDHRA PRADESH): Sir, I, on my own behalf, and also on behalf of my party, TDP, strongly condemn the ghastly incidents in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad, in which 13 people were killed and 80 persons were injured. In fact, my leader Chandra Babu Naidu, along with the UNPA leaders Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav and Shri Amar Singh, visited yesterday the places affected by the blasts, tried to console the people and expressed his sorrow. I would like to remind this august House, Sir, of the bomb blasts which took place in Hyderabad, in August, in which 44 persons were killed in Lumbini Park, Gokulchat, and 54 were injured on that night, and prior to that, in the historical Mecca Masjid, 14 people were killed and 54 were injured during that incident. Sir, serious incidents are taking place in the country in States like Karnataka, Rajasthan, Maharashtra and Delhi. I request the Government of the day to protect the lives and properties of the people. (Contd. by TMV/1Z)

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