PREVIOUS HOUR

aka-kgg/2o/3:00

The House re-assembled, after lunch, at three of the clock,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair

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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shri Amar Singh now.

ָ (ָ Ϥ) : ֳ֯ן , ..(־֮֬)..

DR. V. MAITREYAN: Sir, no Minister is present! (Interruptions)

֮ ֤ : ֳ֯ן , 'Ӥִ' ָ ֓ ״׮Ù ..(־֮֬)..

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Where is the Minister, Sir? (Interruptions)

ֻ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

ֵ ֺ : ӳ߸ ׾ֵ , ״׮Ù ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ָ 2 ״֮֙ ӡ ֋ ։ ֛օ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Adjourn the House for 15 minutes, Sir. (Interruptions)

֮ ֤ : ֯ ։ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ֵָ : ֯ ։ ו֋ ӡ ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The House is adjourned for five minutes.

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The House then adjourned at one minute past three of the clock.

KLS/NB/2P-3.05

The House reassembled at six minutes past three

of the clock, MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.

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ָ (ָ Ϥ) : ֳ֯ן , ֮֯ ֯ ׾ֵ ָ ֮ ָ פ, ׻֋ ֯ ֮־֤ ֲ ֮ ״֡ ֓ ִֵ֮֓ ־ֿ ׾־֤ ׻ֵ, ֮, ָ ״֡ ֛ ׾֤, ־ ֲ Ͼ ִ þָ֕ ֮ ֌־ , ֤ ׾ßָ ִָ ֮ ֟ ߅ ־֟ I want to have my cake and eat it too! ִ֣ ִ֣ ֣-֣ ׾ָ , ֮ ֮ ׯϵָ֮ ӿ ָ ִ֯ףֵ ִ֣Ԯ ָָ ֻ ִֵ֟ ֣ ֻ , ֻ ֕ ֓ SEZ ׸ Ӥִ Ӥ և Ӥִ ֻ ֻ ִõ , ֯ ִõ ָ ֮ ֤ߵ ׯϵָ֮ ӿ ֲ , ֻ ֟ , ־ ֟ , ӳ־֟: ֮ ׾֬ ײ ׸ ֋, ָ™ ֋ ֲ ֛ ߛ ָ ֮ , ׸ SEZ , - ֓ .... (־֮֬)

. ִ ֿ֠ : ײֻ ֻ֟ , ֣ ׾ָ֯ߟ .... (־֮֬) ֣ ׾ָ֯ߟ ... (־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ֮ ו֋, , ֯ ך .... (־֮֬) ֯ ָ ә߮ , ֲ ֯ , ֲ ... (־֮֬) , ֯ ך ... (־֮֬) ֋, ֮ ו֋, ָ ֯ , ̟֕ ׻֋

ָ : ׸ ̤֕ ָ ֻ ... (־֮֬)

. ִ ֿ : ֻ .... (־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ֋, ָ ... (־֮֬)

. ִ ֿ : ֻ֟ ֵ֮ .... (־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : , .... (־֮֬)

ָ : ָ™ ֛ ִ ֕ և, SEZ, ׾־֤ ֻ֟ , ׸ ָ™ ֓ .... (־֮֬) , .. , .. ֓ ӿ , ִֵ , ֵ־֟ ֲ ֓ և, ׸ ָ™ ֓ , ׻֋ ו֮ ֓ , ֓ 2Q/VNK/SSS ָ ֿ:

-NB/VNK-SSS/2q/03.10/MP

ָ (֟) : You cannot be selective in your criticism. ߚ-ߚ ә - , ֻօ ִõ ׯϵ ׻ִֵ Ù ׸֮ , ׾ ֳ֯ן , ָָ , ֮֟ ׾ , ׾ , , ֲ ׻ִֵ Ù ׸֮ ִ כ֮ ֻ ֮ Ù ֻ 19 פӲָ, 2006 ׻ִֵ Ù ׸֮ ׻֋ ״֙ ֮ ״֙ , ׯϵ ־֕ ֋, ӳ־֟: ׯϵ ֤ , ӵ ֟ ָ ׯϵ , ߓ ָ ׻ֵ , ֲ ֻ Ӕ , ߴ ӿ ֟ , ֡ ׸֤ ֟ , Ӥ֮ ֟ , ׻ֵ , ׯϵָ֮ ӿ ֌ֻ־֤ Ӥ֮ ִ֮ , ֻ ֣ ֤ פ֮ , ִֵ ֻ ָ ֟ - "ׯϵ, Ο, , ߯ ׻֋ Ӥָ֮߯" ߯ ֮֕ ׯϵָ֮ ӿ , Ù ״֙ ֮ , ״֙ וִ Ӥִ ֻֿ Ӥִ , ִ "ׯϵ, Ο, , ߯ ׻֋ Ӥָ֮߯" ָ ֮ ֻ ׻ֵ ֣ ߯ ֮֕, ׾ֵ֬ ߯ ֮֕ ״֙ ״֙ ߯ ֮֕, ִ֯ӣ ֤õ ֤õ ָ ֮ ß, ִ֟ ֮֕ ֣ ִ ݵ ״ֻ, ָ ֣ , ָ ׮ ӲӬ , ָ ֮֕ ״ן , ... ߯ ֮֕ ֟ , ... ׾ֵ֬ ָ ֮֕ ãן ִ֯ӣ ףֵ ׻ִֵ Ù ׸֮ և... ֮֟֬ ׾ , ß־֮ և, ׾־֤ , Ӥִ ׾־֤ ״֙ ׮Ե ו ֮֮ߵ ߯ Ӥֵ֬ , ֣ ָ

״ ןָ ״֙, ָ ִ߮ ֋ , דָ֟ ׬ָ ו֮ ֮ և , ו֮ ӆ ֋ , ו֮ ֛ , ֌Ծ֤ , ִ , ִ֮ ׸ , ׾ֵ , ؓ֟ ׾ֵ , ִ ֟ ָָ ׻֋ ִ ֟ , ֣ ָ ִ , ׾ ן ֲ , ׮ָֿ , , ֕ , ֮֮ ו֮ ֮ ֻ ן ٟ ו , ֮ ָ ֋ , ו֮֟ ֻ ֮ ָ , , ֺ þֵ ׯϵָ֮ ӿ ֮ ׻ֵ ֤ כ , ִ , ׻ ֌Ծ֤ ִ׮Ù ֙ ױ ׾־֤ ? ֬ , ִָ ֮ ֡ כ ֻ , ֟ , כ , ָ ӳ־ ֲ , ֲ ãן ׮ֵӡ , Ӥ ֻ ...

(2r/mp ָ ֿ:)

MP/2R/3.15

ָ (֟) : Ӥ ֻ , ׾ñ ֻ և Ӥִ ӓֻ ֻ Ӥ և ׌ ״׻֙ ָ֮ ו ָ , "֮״֌ և" ß־֮ ָ , ï™: ϴ֟ ָ ֆ֤

, ֮ ׻ - "ָ " ֵ ױ ׳ֵ֮ , ß ֌ֻ־֤ Ӥ֮ ß־ ־֮ , ߛ , ֟ ׾׾ֵֻ֪ ׸ָ, ..ֻ ꮵ, Ù, ֛և ֛ ׯϵָ֮ ӿ ִֵ ӑ ׿ ״ֻ , ־ԕ׮ ֺ ֕ ֕ , , ӿ ֵ֟ ָ ֟֋ ֌ֻ־֤ Ӥ֮ - ָ֮ ֜? , .. ׻ֵ , ֟֋ -, -, - - ׿ - "ׯϵ, , , ߯, ׻֋ Ӥָ֮߯" - - ߯ ֻ־ֵ , ֲ ֟֋ꅠ ֤ ֙ ָ ֮֟ ִ֮ , ֛ ײΕ ? ? ׾ ֛ ֻ פ? Ӥִ ֵ? և ׻ և, ִָ֤ ׾ֵ֬ , ֟ ߟ ӛ ִ ־ ֡ ֣ ָ֓ ָ ֙ פ ֵօ , פ , ӡ ֮ ׬ ֟ ׻ֵ ..... ו֋ ֯ Ӥִ ֟, ׻ֵ ֌Ծ֤ ׮Ù ֙ ֵԆ ָ ֆפ ָ ָ? ֆפ ֌Ծ֤ ׮Ù ֙ ִ֯ףֵ ֮ ֛ ֮ ֛ ֌ֻ־֤ ָ֮ ֜ ֌ֻ־֤ פ , ׾ֳ פ ׯϵ֤ ֤ ׾ִ֮ϟ ֮֟ , ֟ ֮ ִ ָ ֵ , ָ ֆ֤ ֋ , ׬ Ͼ ֋ ... ֵԆ ׬ָ , ׻ ׬ָ ? ָ֟ ֯ ֵԆ ׬ָ ׌ֵ֟ ִ֕ , ûִ ִ֕ ֕ ? ֯ ֟ ָ֟ ֯, ֟ ׻֕̅ ֟ ?

, ֵ֯׻ ֟ ֵ֯׻ ָ ֻ-י , ֵ֯׻ ָ ֮ ֺ , ֻ ֵ֯׻ ָ֕ ֋ ֤ ִֻ ָ ִֵ ׾ֹ ד ֲ , օ ֻ֟ ֵ֬߿ ֛ - ֤ օ ֮ ִ ֵ֬߿ פ ֤ ָָ ׾׬ ֵ ָ ֮ פօ ֵֿ , ֯ ִ ו֋ ֵ֯׻ ֳ ֮ , ֳ ֻ֟ ֤ ߿֮ ָ ֤ þָ , ã , ֵ֯׻ ּ ֟ (2S/SC ָ ֿ:)

SC-USY/3.20/2S

ָ (֟) : Ͽ־֓ ד֮ ֵ ӵ ָ Ϥ ֤ , ֲ֯ߟ ֤ ָ Ϥ ִֵ ,֡-֡-־ԡ - ָ , ָ ָ ֣ ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ֣ - ״ֻ ָ, ֮ ָ - ָ ָָ ׾ֹ ֕ ֤ߵ ׯϵָ֮ ӿ ׾֤ ִ þָ֕ , ӟָ , ֟ , ִ ֮ ֵֿ ֲ , ߋ ֛ߋ, ֯ ֮ , ן׸ ָ ָ ׌ , ִ֕־֤ ֙ , ֌Ծ֤ ׮Ù ֙ , ׌ ֻ֮ ׻֋ ֛ ֟

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ ׌ , ֣

ָ : ֮ ֣ , ֕ ֮֯ ׯϵָ֮ ӿ ָٳ֟ ֌־ ׻ֵօ ִӿ ֵ֮ פ, ֵ֮ ֆ֤ ָ ֆפ ӲӬ ϓӛ ϓӛ ֻ ׮ פ, ִ֟ ֻ ϓӛ ֆפ ֌ֻ־פ ףֵָ ֻ פ ..(־֮֬).. ִֵ ֻ פ ָ Ԯ ִ֯ פ ֟ ָ ֻ ִ֯ פ ܵ ָ ֋ ֟ Ӥִ ֌ֻ־֤ , ִ ֤ ϳ׾֟ ָ ׯϵָ֮ ִӿ ..(־֮֬).. ָ ֮ օ ..(־֮֬).. ״ ִָ ֻ ׮ֳև, ״ ׯϵָ֮ ֻ ׮ֳ֮ 11 ߮ ׻ ֲ Ӥִ , ֲ ׻ , ָ֓ ߯߆և ã֮ߵ ׾ֵ֬ ׯ֙և , 27 ִ֯ӣ ֵԆ ָ ֻ ֵ ֓ ָֻ֟ ֵ ׻ ֻ ָ ֲ ֕ ׾ָ ֵ֕ ׮־ԓ֮ ֵ ־, ִ֯ףֵ ׾ָ ִ֯ףֵ ־ Դ֮ ߟ ֮֟ ־ וֵ֟ ӓ ָ ִ֣ ִ֯ףֵ ׮ֻ ֋ 1500 ִ֣ ׸߱ ֻ֕֯ ׮ֻ ִ֯ӣ ִ֣ י֮ ߻ ߅ ִ֯ףֵ ׾ֹ ׸ , ׾ãׯ֟, ׮ֻ ָ ߅ ן י * - ӓ ָ ן - þֵ ӿ ֮

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* Not recorded.


ֳ֯ן : ֋, ־֮Ը יև օ

ߴ֟ Ӥ ָ : ָ, ־֮Ը ֟ ׻֋..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: What I am saying is let us observe certain things.

ָ : ִ

ֳ֯ן : ִ ֟ ־֮Ը ױ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI AMAR SINGH: I concede. ӿ ִ ?

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ?

ָ : ֯ օ ֕ ֤

ֳ֯ן : ? ֮ , ָ օ

ָ : ֻ֟ Ӿ׮ ֤ ָ ֛-֛ - ִ ׻ֵ - ן־ פ ן־ ־֕ ־և ԅ

֓ ,

ָ ֟ ִ֤օ

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ?

ָ : ׻֋, ֮ ֮ ֕׸ ֻܵ ָӛ ֮ ֆ֤ ֋, , ߻ , ָӛ ׌ ֤ (2 ָ ֟)

MCM-VP/2T/3-25

ָ (֟) : ֻ ָ ִ ߟ ֻ ֮ þֵ ߟ ֻ, ָӛ ׌ ߻ ֟և ָӛ ֋ Ӥִ ִ֮ , ָ߲ , ӿ ָ ֵ֟ ָ ֮ ׿ ׻ ׯ ָ ֵ֟օ ֟֋ ִ֮ ָ߲ ߓ ֻ ̻֕ ָ Ӈ ײ֮֔ ֯֙ ֋, ֋ ָ֮, և ָ֮, և ָ֮, -47 , ֲ ֮֮ ׻֋ ָ ׮֤ ָ , ֤ ָ ꅠ ִ ֮֓ ֣ ֕ ָָ ׾ֱ֟ ֮֟ , ָָ וִָ ֮ ָ ֱ ֲֻ֟ Ӿ׮ ֤ ָ ֛-֛ ו֮ ׬ָ ֻ , ֟ ׾֬׵ ״ ֮ ֯ ׮ֳ֮ ֋, ִ օ ֮ ו֮ 韾 ........(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ָ , ֮ և

ָ : ָ, , ֻ ֟

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ֻ ֟ ו֋

ָ : ֮ ֻ ß֮ ײ֮ ӡ ֤ ӿߠ 27 ָ ֵ֮ פ 0ָ000 ֟ օ 0ָ000 ֻ, ־ֿ ֤ 0ָ000 You cannot have the cake and eat it too. 0ָ000 0ָ000 27 ָ ֯ ֵ֮ 0ָ000 ֤ ֯ 0ָ000 և, ֌Ծ֤ ׮Ù ֙ ֵ ֛֛ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֛ ֟ Ӿ ֌ , ֵ֮ פ ָ ֵּ֓ ן ֌ ִ֯ӣ, ֆפ ָ ֯ ָָ ֻ־ ָ ֯ ָָ ֻ֟߅ ָ ֟פ ӟ׸ ֤֟ , ֤֟ ִ ֮ Ϭ֮ סֵ פ ֕߾ ֕ ֮ ֮֕ן ׻֋ ֆףֵ ֣ ֕ Ӥ ָ ֮֕ן ׾ָ׬ֵ ֱֻ ßֻ Ӥ ׮ֿ֮ ָ ֯ ߻ ֋, ׻ּ օ ֯ ֋ ֮ - ֛ ֆ ִִ ו֮ ׾ ֮֓ ֛օ ֤ߵ Ϭ֮ ӡ ׾ִ֮ϟ Ӭ Ϥ ֲ ףֵָ ִ ֌ֻ־פ ܵ ӡ ֟ ׾ñ ֲ ܵ ӡ ףֵָ ִ ֌ֻ־פ ֟ , ױ ףֵָ ؙ ףֵָ ֌ֻ־֤ ֟ ܵ ӡ ֲ֮ ֵ֛ ָ ֟ ֻ , Ӭ ׾ñ , 㴲և ׾ñ ִ ָ ָ ײָ - ָ ֟ ִ֕֬ ֕ ִ֕֬ ֻ׌ ֱ ֻ ִ֕֬ , ֱ ֲ ׻֋ ִ֕֬ , ִ ֹ ׻֋ , Ӭ ָֿ֕ ׻֋ ꅠ ִ֕֬ , ֟ Ϥ ֟ Ϥ ߅ (2U ָ ֿ:)

PK/GS/3.30/2U

ָ (֟) : ևԕ ִֻ , ׻֋ Ӥִ ִ֮ ֵ ӕֲ, ׸, ָ™ ևԕ ִֻ ָ ָ Ϥ ꋛ ׻ֵ ևԕ ִ ָ ֛ ִ߮ ףֵ֮ ֮ ֻ , ָ Ӥִ ֮ ָ Ӥִ ׾ֿ ֵօ ו ָ ֌ֲֻ֛, ָ ֻ , ֤֟ ִ ֵ ָ ֯ ֮ - Ӥִ ׻֋ ִָ ߟִָ ֮ ֌־ ָ ֟ ֵ , ֮ և, ֮֕ן , ֲ ״ֻ ֤֟ ׮ֲ֙

ֵֿ ߱ , ָ ָ ֮ ױ פ Ӭ ֤֟ , ָ ֕߾ Ӭ ױ ֻ 韵 ֟ , ױ 㴲և ׾ñ , ֲ֤ ׾ñ ֤֟ ִ ָ ֮֕ן ֮֕ן ׿ָ ױ ָ֟ , ָ ִ ֕ ִ ָ ָ ֻֻ ֻ ׻֋ ֺ ֲ Ӿ ֣ ֮-֮ וִָ ִ ִ ִִ ֟ , ָ ן ֮ ֮֟ , ׻֋ ֱ ֮ ִϟ , ׾ֵ֮ -

" ֮ ֟ , ֟ ,

֬ , ׮ "

 

- ֮־֤

(ִ֯)

DR. V. MAITREYAN (TAMIL NADU): * Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I don't want to embarrass you but we are terribly embarrassed. For the last so many months, no arrangement has been made by the House for Tamil interpretation to enable Members of Parliament from Tamil Nadu to translate their speech...(Interruptions)..

SHRI AMAR SINGH: I also support you on this...(Interruptions)...

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Sir, we have also been pressing for Telugu Interpretor...(Interruptions)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֳ֯ן , ָָ ״ֻ ݾ פ ...(־֮֬)... ֚ ״ֻ ...(־֮֬)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please sit down, Mr. Maitreyan. (Interruptions).. I tell you this is an administrative matter. I would not like that this should be discussed with you. Efforts have been made. Efforts have failed.

SHRI C. PERUMAL: Sir...(Inerruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please listen to me. You want to speak only; you don't want to listen...(Interruptions)..

SHRI N. JOTHI: We have listened to this for six months, but nothing has happened.

 

*The Hon. Member spoke in Tamil.
MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN:
Mr. Jothi, please listen to me. In fact, an offer was made that you bring some Interpreters without going into the other procedure; we will appoint them. Because we advertised three times, but nobody applied and nobody came. ..(Interruptions).. Listen to me...(Interruptions).. I don't want a debate on this.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Sir, Telugu Interpreter....(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I do not want to have a debate on this. This is an administrative matter. Efforts have been made. We have said the same thing to the Interpretation Branch to get some Telugu Interpretors, Tamil Interpreters. We will see that it is done..(Interruptions)..

SHRI AMAR SINGH: Sir, Telugu is a national language...(Interruptions)..

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ: Sir, it has been made a classic language...(Interruptions)..

SHRI SHAHID SIDDIQUI: Sincere efforts have not been made.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I am telling you from the open House, get some people, we will appoint them...(Interruptions)..

DR. V. MAITREYAN: Sir, the onus is not on us. It is for the House to get them..(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: If they are not available, what should be done? ...(Interruptions)..

DR. V. MAITREYAN: Then close the House, Sir. If English Interpreters are not available, then?..(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Okay, okay, this is not the subject...(Interruptions).. Dr. Maitreyan, I have called you to speak on that subject, not on this...(Interruptions)..


DR. V. MAITREYAN: Sir, then, I will speak in Tamil...(Interruptions).. I want some assurance from you and a timeframe...(Interruptions)..

(Followed by 2W/SKC)

2w/3.35/skc-asc

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You want to make it an issue. You could have discussed the same thing in the Chambers too. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI N. JOTHI: Sir, there has been no solution. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: That is right. Please sit down. Enough is enough....(Interruptions)...

SHRI R. SHUNMUGASUNDARAM: Sir, a letter may be sent to the Tamil Nadu Assembly.... (Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: We have done it.

DR. V. MAITREYAN: Sir, I wish to register our party's views on this and so, I shall speak in English.

On behalf of the AIADMK, I rise to register our serious concern over the violent incidents in Nandigram and also to condemn, in no uncertain terms, the terror let loose on the hapless villagers of Nandigram, be it labourers, be it farmers, be it women, be it minorities. The studied silence of the Central Government on very many issues is baffling and sickening. When the Chief Minister of West Bengal says, 'we have paid them back in their own coin', the Central Government is silent. When the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu eulogises the slain leader of the banned terrorist outfit, the Central Government is silent.

SHRI R. SHUNMUGASUNDARAM: *

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please, Mr. Jothi, your party's leader is speaking.

SHRI N. JOTHI: *

* Not recorded

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record. ...(Interruptions)... Nothing other than what Dr. Maitreyan spoke shall go on record.

DR. V. MAITREYAN: The Congress Party has condemned both things because they have to fight elections. The Congress-led Government is silent on both because they have to survive. I am very happy that at last the Prime Minister has broken his silence on Nandigram. I hope the Prime Minister would soon break his silence on Tamil Nadu also. Probably the Prime Minister would have to go abroad once again.

SHRI R. SHUNMUGASUNDARAM: Why don't they take Vaiko away from them? ..(Interruptions)...

DR. V. MAITREYAN: Terming the Nandigram event as unfortunate, the Prime Minister has advised that the West Bengal Government must ensure safety to all its citizens regardless of their political leanings. The State Government's handling of the violent incidents in Nandigram has come under fire from almost every quarter -- I don't wish to go into the elaborate details of it; the Kolkata High Court has condemned it; the West Bengal Governor, the National Human Rights Commission, intellectuals and artists from West Bengal, the other leading partners of the Government, even CPM leaders like Mr. Ashok Mitra, one of the four ministerial colleagues of Shri Jyoti Basu in the first ever Left Front Government formed in 1977, have condemned it. The whole problem is, if the CPM is well-entrenched in power in West Bengal for more than three decades, the singular reason for that is that it acquired agricultural land from the exploitative zamindars and distributed it to the landlords. And the ideological anti-climax today in Nandigram is that in the name of SEZ, the very same Government which acquired land from the zamindars and landlords and distributed them in small plots, is now re-acquiring it from the small people by force and in bulk and giving it to the exploitative landlords. The struggle in Nandigram is no more about industrialisation; it is a war to capture territory.

On behalf of the AIADMK, I strongly urge the West Bengal Government to take steps to ensure that the violence in Nandigram is immediately stopped and the affected people given the confidence that their life and property would be protected by the Government. Give them adequate compensation and establish the rule of law. If the State Government cannot control the situation, then the Centre should intervene in controlling the violence. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Prof. Ramdeo Bhandary.

. ִ ӛָ (ײָ) : ֛ ָ, (־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I had meant to call Shri Ram Jethmalani; he is also standing. You may allow him to speak first.

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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You may yield to him.

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ֳ֯ן : ֯ ֤ 녠 (Followed by 2x/ksk)

KSK/LP/3.40/2X

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: He is giving the time to him...(Interruptions).

֯ ֤ ׻֋օ

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI (NOMINATED): Sir, I must admit that I am speaking with great hesitation as well as in a state of terrible embarrassment. After having heard my friend, Mr. Amar Singh, here, I am most conceived that lack of principles, and perhaps, total lack of principles, is the phenomena which prevails throughout the 180 degrees of the political diameter. I wish the Constitution was amended so that the Government can be run by a few independents. But, Sir, that can't be. Now, Sir, I claim to be independent only in one sense that I belong to a party which consists of only myself. I must also conceive that to some extent, my presence in this House is due to my friend, Shri Sitaram Yechury. And, I have not forgotten my gratitude towards him and my other friends. I have lot of friends amongst the Leftists and it will be no exaggeration to say that on a personal level, if they ask for my life, I will willingly give it.

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, this is sugar coating...(Interruptions). The pill is coming...(Interruptions).

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Please, make sure that I bring no pills to the House...(Interruptions). Sir, I want first to deal with the Government, and my charge against the Government is much more serious than what I have to say about my Leftist friends. Sir, I have with me The Hindu of this morning. On page 14, it reproduces the proceedings in the Lok Sabha and my enquiry reveals that the report in The Hindu is hundred per cent accurate. Sir, the report says that Mr. L.K. Advani, during the discussion on Nandigram said that the Centre must issue directions. -- Sir, this is very important and without your ear, I don't feel like proceeding. -- Sir, Mr. Advani said that the Centre must issue directions to the West Bengal Government under article 355 of the Constitution. Mr. Shivraj Patil said that the written directives had already been issued to the State Government. Now, Sir, my first submission today is that the directives issued under article 355, which Mr. Advani was asking for, are constitutional documents and they have been disclosed voluntarily to the Parliament. Mr. Advani did not force this out of them. It is ridiculous for anybody even to suggest that a document which you voluntarily disclosed to the whole House and relied upon it in answering to a criticism that you should have issued these directions, and you said, "Yes, we have issued these directions", and when somebody asks you to show those directives, you say that they are privileged. Sir, I am sorry to say that this is contempt of the House which requires these documents to be inspected. I want these documents to be inspected. For example, I have a reasonable doubt whether any directives have been issued at all. I must have the document. And, my friend says, "You rely upon my oral statement." (continued by 2y - gsp)

GSP/3.45/2y

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI (CONTD.): Normally, I would. Sir, I hope I don't commit a breach of confidence. I walked up to the Home Minister sitting in the House and said that I would like to have a look at the documents, let us see what have you said in those directives to the State Government. My friend says, "No, they are privileged under the Constitution." And, when, I said, "No, they are not", I got a very strange reply, which I have never heard from any Home Minister in the past nor am I prepared at my age now to tolerate that kind of imprudence from any Minister of the Government. He said to me, "if it is a question of Criminal Procedure Code, then, I will take your advice; but on matters of Constitution, he said, you must take my advice".

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): I said, 'parliamentary rules'.

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Sir, there is no parliamentary rule.

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: I will quote the rule.

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Wait a minute. Let me...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: Don't distort please.

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: All right, you point out whatever you want to. If my friend shows today that there is a rule which says that a directive issued under article 355 of the Constitution is a privilege document and it continues to be a privileged after you have voluntary said that such a document exists and disclosed its relevance, I will resign from this House and I will stop all practice in any court. Otherwise, I hope the hon. Minister will do me the honour of extending a similar promise.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let us not...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: I don't want you to leave this House. But I will definitely quote the rule.

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Why don't you quote the rule now?

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: Wait, wait. (Interruptions) I will quote it if you yield for a minute. (Interruptions)

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: I will yield...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: For that, you will have to sit down. (Interruptions) I am reading from the Rule Book. (Interruptions)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Where are you in this procedure, Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir?

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will have to find out. (Interruptions) It is an agreement between the...(Interruptions)...

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Sir, immediately within five minutes...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, I have come into picture. (Interruptions)

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: Sir, this kind of argument is unnecessary. Whether I say it orally to the State Government or in writing to the State Government that certain steps should be taken, that is sufficient. But I am reading from the Rule Book. Rule 249 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Council of States says: "If a Minister quotes in the Council a despatch or other State paper which has not been presented to the Council, he shall lay the relevant paper on the Table".

Sir, first of all, I have not spoken in this House. I have spoken in that House. That matter could have been raised there. I have yet to speak here. And, it says, "If a Minister quotes in the Council a despatch or other State Paper which has not been presented to the Council, he shall lay the relevant paper on the Table. Provided further that where a Minister gives in his own words a summary or gist of such dispatch or State Paper, it shall not be necessary to lay the relevant papers on the Table."

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Who says you delay...(Interruptions)...Any Member wants to inspect a public document ...(Interruptions)... it is not a question of laying on the Table. (Interruptions)

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: I am showing you the...(Interruptions)...

SHRI N. JOTHI: Sir, it is not the...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. (Interruptions) We are not entering into...(Interruptions)...No, no. Mr. Jothi, that is all right. I cannot allow this. (Interruptions)

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: This kind of argument is unnecessary. I have no...(Interruptions)...

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: This is not a State paper. Read the definition of the State paper. (Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: We are not entering into an argument. (Interruptions) Mr. Jothi, please. (Interruptions).

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: I agree with you. If he shows it to me...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please proceed. (Interruptions) Please proceed on this.

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Is it agreed that he would show it to me?

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Sir, what is happening here? (Interruptions)

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: Sir, I have no difficulty in showing that document to anybody, to yourself or to him. But I will not go by the dictates given by any of the Members. (Interruptions). I will show it...(Interruptions)...

SHRI ARUN SHOURIE: Sir, what is this? (Interruptions) Sir, how is it that a Minister has no objection in showing a document to one Member...(Interruptions)... (Followed by sk-2z)

SK/2Z/3.50

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: Sir, I have no objection in showing it to anybody. ...(Interruptions).. You will say that this direction was ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please ...(Interruptions).. Please, let us not ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: This is a very serious issue, Sir. ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The Leader of the Opposition wants to say something. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: He wants to respond ...(Interruptions)..

THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (SHRI JASWANT SINGH): I don't want to respond. I only want to comment.

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Do you also want me to yield?

SHRI JASWANT SINGH: If you would, please, Sir.

Sir, the question is not about what the hon. Home Minister stated in a conference, in the other House or anywhere else. It is very explicit; it is about an issue that he has mentioned here. Initially, it was single-pronged. I had during the earlier say also mentioned that Mr. Ram Jethmalani has a point. But, I did not persist. The hon. Home Minister has just now, here, said that directives can be given verbally. All confirmation that was sought was, "Have you given a directive under article 355 in writing or verbally"? Even if it is verbally, records are kept. And, as you have mentioned, a direction under article 355 is not an item that is being mentioned or heard to or required for the first time. On numerous earlier occasions it has been mentioned. It is disingenuous, Sir, of the hon. Minister to suggest that this is a privilege document 'only' in this case. That is the first part. I think, the hon. Home Minister, who had been the distinguished Speaker of the other House, ought really to reflect very coolly, and not in the heat of the moment, say that. I am on the second issue, Sir, which is that the hon. Minister said, "I will do it, but not under his dictation", that, I think, was a statement carried by the passion of the moment. He is as honourable and equal a Member of the House as any other Member. You can, therefore, not make an exception and say, "If any of you ask, yes; but if hon. Ram Jethmalani asks, no". That should not be the answer. ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please. ...(Interruptions).. Mr. Ram Jethmalani, you please proceed further.

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: One thing is certain that directives under article 355 are issued for the purpose of ensuring that the Government of a State is carried on in accordance with the Constitution.

(THE VICE-CHAIRMAN, PROF. P.J. KURIEN in the Chair)

Sir, implicit in the issue of any directions, now, Sir, whether he gives me or does not give me is irrelevant, but the fact remains that these directives assume that the Government was faced with a situation in which the Government of that State was not being carried on in accordance with the Constitution and these directives were issued for the purpose of ensuring that it so happens. That being so, it is a matter grave enough which should be fully discussed and disclosed to the House and to the people of this country. In the interest of democratic transparency which is a hallmark of the rule of law and our Constitutional Government, the people of this country must know what the view of the Central Government was yesterday when they freely spoke of the directives under article 355. Sir, I know that overriding the obligations of friendship is a higher religion. And, higher than that, there is another religion. The higher religion to the religion of friendship is the coalition dharma. Over that, is the dharma of the Constitution. Finally, the dharma of the Constitution triumphs both. And, Sir, if the Constitution requires that a democracy must be fully transparent unless some questions of national security or defence are involved, all truth must be disclosed. And, if the truth is to be disclosed in a transparent democracy, I think, the hon. Home Minister ought to have conceded this demand in the very beginning. But, Sir, let us go further now. The fact remains that the House is entitled to know whether those directives have been complied with. (Contd. by ysr-3a)


-SK/YSR/3.55/3A

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI (CONTD.): If those directives have not been complied with, don't tell me the directives. But tell me whether there is full compliance in accordance with the determination of the Central Government. If the directives have not been fulfilled, it becomes a clear case, as my sister Sushmaji said, where then comes Article 356 which immediately follows Article 355. Therefore, Sir, in the interests of both, the Government of the State should ensure that these directives are disclosed, so that the cloud, which is created, must be fully removed and transparency of the Indian democracy restored.

However, Sir, the most important point is the second one that the CPI Member, Mr. Gurudas Das Gupta, got up and said, 'Mr. Minister will you...'(Interruptions)..

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Sir, how can he quote a Member of the other House? (Interruptions)

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: What is the problem with this? (Interruptions)

SHRI ARUN SHOURIE: Just now Mr. Priyaranjan Dasmunsi quoted the whole speech from the other House. You never objected to him. (Interruptions)

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ: Speeches can be quoted. (Interruptions)

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Sir, I went further and said that these proceedings were accurate. I verified it from the proceedings of the House. The question was raised by a CPI (M) Member that please confirm that the outsiders who had intruded into that area were Maoists and Naxalites. The Home Minister refused to confirm this statement of fact. Now, he refused to confirm this statement of fact because on the evidence available to the Central Government, this could not be confirmed. Otherwise, merely simple constitutional democratic decency would have required that he should have confirmed what another Member of the House affirms. Sir, therefore, today it is a matter of very serious doubt that there were any extra persons who came from outside and disturbed the proceedings and which calls for the exercise of force.

Sir, the next thing is the statement which my friends Mr. Sitaram Yechury and Mr. Basudeb Acharia have addressed to every Member of Parliament. Sir, I respect both the gentlemen so much that you would not believe that I have studied this much more carefully than I have ever studied any law book.

In the first place, this is not an account by Mr. Sitaram and Mr. Basudeb as a matter of their own personal knowledge. They were both not present at the places about which they have spoken and about the incidents that have been described here. It must be based upon their enquiry from others. If it was a matter on which Mr. Yechury had said, 'Mr. Ram, I tell you that this is what happened and I am a personal witness', I would touch his feet and say, 'Well, Mr. Sitaram, you could not be possibly * I could * but you cannot.' So, I accept it quietly and go away. But this being, Sir, ultimately hearsay evidence supplied by others, it calls for a little scrutiny. Sir, I have scrutinised it and found at least two things. And if there is one demonstrable * in a document, then the whole document becomes suspect. Kindly see a very strange thing. If you turn to page 15 of this document, it gives a list of CPI (M) supporters which were killed by the BUPC between 3rd January and 10th November 2007. Item No.2, in this list of 27, is Sunita Mandal, Sonachura (Rape victim) on 9th February 2007. Now, 9th February incidents are described at page 7 of this pamphlet. The second paragraph deals with February 7. February 9; nothing is shown. February 10; what is shown is this.

* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.
"On February 10, Sunita Mondal, a student of class ten, was brutally murdered after torture. Her body was found on a tree, with rope tied to her neck. Her father was ousted earlier by miscreants. The police could not enter into the village to collect information even after such an incident." (Contd. by VKK/3B)

 

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