SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, the hon. Minister has just now said that 85 per cent goes for the administrative part of it and 15 per cent goes to the people. We have been telling in this august House that there is corruption in the implementation of the Scheme. Will the hon. Minister tell us, in this 15 per cent what is the corruption component?

THE MINISTER OF PANCHAYATI RAJ (SHRI MANISHANKAR AIYAR): I will undertake a study of the matter.

SHRI AJAY MAROO: Sir, it is a very important discussion. More than twenty Members took part in this discussion. But, now, only 16 Members are present here and there is no quorum also. We can take up this matter tomorrow. How can we do it now without quorum?

SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN: Sir, what is the fate of the next item?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Since he has raised the issue and there is no quorum, I can't take it up. ...(Interruptions).. Please, please. ...(Interruptions)..

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THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN):: No, no. I can't say that. If the question of quorum has been raised, I have to go by the rules. If there is no quorum, I can't proceed with the House. Mr. Secretary-General, please tell me how many Members are present.

SHRI RAJNITI PRASAD: Sir, many times discussion has taken place without quorum.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Rajniti Prasad, there would not have been any problem if he had not raised the issue. But, now, when he has raised it, I have to go by the rule. What can I do?

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, the hon. Minister has said that it is not raised normally.

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SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN: But, what is the fate of the next item in the agenda? I am also asking this. ...(Interruptions)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I will tell you now.

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI SURESH PACHOURI): Sir, I was going through 'Rajya Sabha at Work.' At page 313, it says, "When it was ascertained that there was no quorum present, the House was adjourned for the rest of the day.."

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): That is the rule; I know that.

SHRI SURESH PACHOURI: Sir, you are right in this regard. But I am humbly requesting you, if you could kindly..(Interruptions)..


SHRI SURESH PACHOURI: If the Members do not insist..(Interruptions)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No. I have to go by the rule. I cannot go by what you say. I have to go by the rule.


THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: There is no quorum. So, the House is adjourned to meet tomorrow at 11.00 a.m.


The House then adjourned at five minutes past

six of the clock till eleven of the clock on

Friday, the 7th December 2007.