PREVIOUS HOUR

PK/KLG/4.00/2D

DR.K. MALAISAMY (CONTD.): I would like to know whether this Bill is an extension, or, this Bill is an improvement. If that be the case, what is the special feature or the improvement you have done over and above the Cr. P.C., which is contemplated? (Time-bell).

Sir, my last point is this. Coming to Shri Gnanadesikan, he was mentioning about the executing authority, the Tribunal or the Appellate Tribunal; the Sub-Divisional Officer or the District Magistrate. He has expressed some reservation as to whether the District Magistrate can afford to give full thought over this. According to me, it is a matter relating to income, property, land details, this, that, etc. It is the prerogative of the Revenue Department alone. They alone can do this kind of a job. It is their lookout how to manage the priority. (Time-bell) The Sub-Divisional Officer and the District Magistrate should continue ..(Interruptions)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): You have made your point.

DR. K. MALAISAMY: Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

׻֟ ֟ (֕ã֮) : ֳ֬ , ֲ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ײֻ ׻֋ ֮־֤ ֟ ָ, ׮־ ־ כ ָ ֓ և , ִ ïױ ֯ ߴ׸ , ߴָ, ׾ֿ , ֑ ߴָ Ù, ߴָ, ֮ ߴָ, ֯ ׮׿֟ ֕ ֮ ־ã ֮ ָ ׮־ ֮ ֛ ߸ ֤ -֯ , ӳ߸ ߴ׸ וִ ֻ 80 ָ ֋, ֻ 1 30 ָ ֋, וֵ꯻Ù ָ 80 ָ ֋ և ֕Ը 60 ָ ֋ , ӡ כ ׻֙ߕ ֻ ӳ߸ ߴָ Ի֕ 㰟 ֮ ־ã ?

, ֟ ӳ־ ֯ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֕ ״ֿ֮ ֻ ײ֔ ֵ , ִ 60 ֛, ׮ֵָ ֙ߕ֮ , כ ֛ ֵ֮ ? ֯ ־ã , ֮ ߴָ , ׮׿֟ ֮ ֋ ָ֓ ־ã ֋ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN):: Thank you Chaturvediji. You have made a good suggestion.

ߴ֟ ߸ ָ : ֤ߵ ֳ֬ , ײֻ ָ ֓ 14 ִ׮֟ ֤õ ׻ֵ, וִ֮ 0 ׯֻ׮ֵ , ֮פ׿֮ , ֮ ֤ , ֣ , ָ֮ , ֮֯ ָ , ֻ , 0 ִ ӛָ , ׻ָ ֲ , ָ ׮ִԻ ֯ӛ , ֵָ ֮־ , ִֵֻ ֟ ֳ ׾֬ ֟ , ׮ֵ֟ ִ֣Ԯ ֯ ֲ ֟ ִ, ָ ו ן ו ָ ֻ , 2/ ָ ֿ:

aka-pb/2e/4:05

ߴ֟ ߸ ָ (֟) : ֮ ֛ ׾֛֮ ׾֬ ֮ ־ֿ ֛ ׾֛֮ ֳ ֤ ִ ֵ, , ִֵ ־ֿ ׻֋, ׾֬ ֮ ֛ ؓ֟ ָ ֮ , ָ ׸š ׸ , ָ ֟-ׯ֟, , 60 ָ , , ׮ֵ , ָ- ִד֟ , ֤-ִ֮ 'ӯ' ָָ ؓ֟ , ָ ߴ֟ ׮ֵ Ӭ , ָ Ϭ֮ ӡ 0 ִ֮ ؓ֟ ؓ֟ ߮ ׾֬ ֵ

֯ ֲ֮ 滵 ־ פ ֮ ֮ ָ ֯, ־֯ ׾ָ֓-׾ִֿ ו֮֟ Ӳ׬֟ ִ , , , ֲ ׾ָ֓-׾ִֿ ׾֬ ֺ ָ ãֵ ״ן և ӓ-ָ, ֮ , ִ ӳ־ , ׾֬ ״׻֟ ֵօ

֯ ֲ ־ ׻ ׻ֵ , ו֮ ָ ֓ ߅ ֮ וֻ ׬, ևֻ ֮֮ , ־֮֬ , ָ ־ ו֮֟ ֋ , ֵ , ן׾׬ֵ , ֲ ֛-֛ ׮ ֟ ֋, וֻ ֋ וֻ ֋, ׻֋ ֮ ӛ ׬ָ ׬ ֵ֮ וֻ ׬ ׬ ־ֿ ӛ ׬ָ þֵ ֮, ßָ ׬ָ ֮ ֮ ֮ ׸š ׸ ׾֬ ֛ ֻ ײ֔֋Ӆ ֟ Ӿֿ߻ ׸ָ ߓ , ל ߓ , ָ ֮ ֮־ ֜ ֋ ֮֟ CRPC 125 ָ , ֲ ֛ ֟ ֟

('2f/nb' ָ ָ)

NB/2f/4.10

ߴ֟ ߸ ָ (֟) : ׯ֟ ֛ - ϯ ֛ ֣ ִ ֮ ֓ ֟ , ֟ ֮, ֮ ߾֮ Ӭ , ָ ־ , ֮ ӛָ , ֲ ָ ׻֋ 滵 ׮׬ , ߕ - ִֵ , ֮֬ , ֛? ׻֋ ֮ ׿ֿ ׬ ׬ָ , ֟-ׯ֟ ֓ ߓ ֮ ϵ ו֮֟ , ֮־ ㌟ , ָ ׿ֿ ָ ־֕ ָ ֟-ׯ֟, ֮ ׸š ׸ , ãן ָ , ױ ֓ ָ penal provision 3 ߮ ׻֋ ֕ ִ֕ ָ ֮ ֟-ׯ֟ ֳֻ ָ Ӥ ֻ ֮ ӡ , ֮ ֮֟ ֋, ִ֕ ֱ-ָ ֮ ֮ ֟-ׯ֟ ן ֮ Ծ ׮־ ׻֋ ߮ ߮ ֮ օ ׻֋ deterrent ֮ ֓ ߻ ׬ָ ֮ ֮- פ , ֓ ָ ִ , ׬ָ ׬ָ , ֮֬ ֮֬ ׻֋ ָ ߻ ׬ָ , ֮ , ו ִ֯ , י, Ӳ ֋߅ ׻֋ ָ ϵ ㌟

ֳ֬ , ָ ן ָָ ִ ָ߲ ָ߲ ׸ָ , ֓Ӥ ו֮֟ ׮ֵ ֯ ֜ ו֋, ָ֮֓ ו֮֟ ׮ֵ ֯ ֜ ו֋, ָ߲ ָ߲ ׸ָ ָ ֮ ׻֋ ֱ י , ִ ֟-ׯ֟ ׻֋ ֺ ִ ֮ ָָ , ָ ֲ ϣִ ָָ ֜־ ן ֳ ׫ݮ , ִֵ ױ ָ ֤ ֤ ֟-ׯ֟ ׸š ׸, ֮ ָ ֓ ֳֻ 2G/VNK ָ ֿ:

-NB/VNK-HK/2g/4.15

ߴ֟ ߸ ָ (֟) : ׾֤ , ֿ֟ פ ֋ ׾֬ , ֮ ׾֮֬֕ ֮ Ӥ ִ , ֮, ֟-ׯ֟ ֮ ֓ ֣, ֮ -, ֟-ן֮ ֣ Ӥ , ָ - , ׻֋ ֤ ִ ֮, ֓ ֮ ָ ֮ ֟-ׯ֟ ֮ , ׸š ׸ , ו֮ ӟ֮ ӟ֮ ׾֤ ֻ և ָ ׮֟ӟ ֵ , ָ߲ ߓ , ãן ֮ߵ , ׸š ׸ ׻֋ ִ ־ã

׮׬ ֟ ԅ ӡֵֻ ֵ, ߴ, ִ ֻ֮ , ִ ׮ִ ã֮֯ ׻֋ ֻ ׾֬ ӟԟ ֲ ֕ ָָ ״ֻ ׮ִֵ ֮, ִ ָ ֣ ߴ ֮, ֲ ֲ ָ ֮ ָ ׿ֿ , ׿ֿ , ָ ִ וֻ 150 ׸š ׸ ׻֋ ָ߲ ߓ ׮֟ӟ ׮ֵ , ϣִ ָ , ֤ ִ

׿ ֟ , ֮֟ ָ և ߜ , ָ , ֮ ָ ־ ָ , ִ ûִ ֮ ֟ ֮֟ , ָ ־ֿ ׻֋ ל ֯ ״ֻ , ־ֿ

ֻևִ ׬ ã֮֯ ֱ ׻֋ ׻֋ ? ׬ ã֮֯ ֱ ָ- ׻֋ , ׾֬ þã ӲӬ, ӲӬ, פ ־֮֬ ߆ָ 125 ָ ֮֙ , ֮ ֯ ֵ ׾֬ ('2h/mp' ָ ָ)

MP-KSK/2H/4.20

ߴ֟ ߸ ָ (֟) : ֳ ִ֮֮ߵ ֤ ß ֳ ־ ֲ ׮ִֵ־ֻ ֮֋ ӟԟ ߴ ִ ֮, ִ ֣ӳ־ ֲ ״׻֟

ӟ , ָ ֮ , ָ ׸š ׸ , ֤ ־֮ , Ӥ ִ֮ , ֮ ׸š ׸, ָ ֮ ָ ֮֮ , ִ֮ ֮֯ , ִ֕ , ׻֋ , ׻֋ ֳ ֯ ߟ ָ ֟-ׯ֟, ָ ׸š ׸ , ו֮ ֮ פ, ָ ֻ֮- , 滵 פ, ָ פ, ָ Ӥ , ׿־ , ֲ פ, ׻֋ ׾֯ ӛָ ֮ , ־ , ָ ׻֋ ֮ ֻ ל ׻֋ 滵 ָ , ׻֋ ֮־֤ ӟ Ӥ , ֣ ִ֮ -

"ֿ ָ: ִ֟"

֮ , ָ

"߾ ָ: ִ֟"

֮ ָ ו֋Ӆ

"ִ ָ: ִ֟"

֮ ָ

"Ͼξִ ָ: ִ֟"

֮ ָ

"ִ߮ õִ ָ: ִ֟"

ָ ߮-߮ , ׌ ֣ ו֋ ӟ ָ ָ ߮ ֤ ָ ױ ו֋, - ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Now, the question is:

That the Bill to provide for more effective provisions for the maintenance and welfare of parents and senior citizens guaranteed and recognised under the Constitution and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto, as passed by Lok Sabha, be taken into consideration.

The motion was adopted.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now, we shall take up clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill.

Clauses 2-32 were added to the Bill

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Title were added to the Bill.


SHRIMATI MEIRA KUMAR: Sir, I beg to move:

That the Bill be passed.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

(Ends)

THE MINISTER OF STATE (INDEPENDENT CHARGE) OF THE MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND EMPLOYMENT (SHRI OSCAR FERNANDES): Sir, will my subject be taken up?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Yes. Actually, yesterday the discussion on situation arising out of the misuse of funds provided by the Central Government under the National Rural Employment Guarantee Programme, raised by Shri V. Narayanasamy, was not concluded. So, that will be taken up first. But, I request all the speakers on this subject to be very brief because the next Short Duration Discussion has to be taken up. (continued by 2j - sk)

SK/2J/4.25

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now, before I call Mr. Gill, I want the Minister to lay a statement on the Table.

STATEMENT RE. IMPLEMENTATION OF TWENTY-EIGHTH REPORT OF PARLIAMENTARY STANDING COMMITTEE ON RURAL DEVELOPMENT

 

ִ ׾ ӡ ( ӿ ֤ ) :, ׾ֳ Ӳ׬֟ ִ ׾ ӲӬ ֤ߵ ãֵ ״ן և־ ן־ ӟپ™ ֱ׸ ֵԮֵ֮ ãן ӲӬ ֌־ ֳ ֙ ָ ֟

(Ends)


SHORT DURATION DISCUSSION ON SITUATION ARISING OUT OF MISUSE OF FUNDS PROVIDED BY THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT UNDER NATIONAL RURAL EMPLOYMENT GUARANTEE PROGRAMME ... (contd.)

 

DR. M.S. GILL (PUNJAB): Thank you, Mr. Vice-Chairman. I want to thank Mr. Narayanasamy for somehow managing to, not on a Friday, but on a Thursday, raise a discussion on perhaps the most important project of this UPA Government which is the rural employment programme which Mrs. Gandhi, the UPA Chairperson, the Prime Minister and many others, I suppose, have pushed hard to try, and, somehow, get it down to rural India, to ground India and to poor India. It has been running, I think, for a number of years now and something like, may be, Rs. 30,000 crores or more or whatever have been spent on it; I am guessing this. I also see that a decision has been taken to implement it from 200 districts to 600 districts, which means really the whole India; maybe a few districts will be left out; I can't say. Therefore, there is a determination to move forward and to expand it to a section of people which needs tremendous help. Arjun Sengupta's Report, has, I think, highlighted the whole situation even more dramatically. Eighty-six per cent or whatever of people with twenty rupees or less. And, that is the area which is linked to this scheme also and endeavour to try and do something for them. And, therefore, I think, Mr. Narayanasamy's success in brining this forward has to be commended because you need to discuss and assess where have you got. I have been, over the last couple of years, hearing a very able Minister of Rural Development, our friend from Bihar, and whenever he takes over, I don't think anybody is really able to beat him up on his assertion that the programme is doing tremendously well and there are great achievements in it. I have certainly heard it that way. But, while that may be true, partly or wholly, an assessment, a critical assessment, by this country, by this Parliament, is necessary. And, therefore, I look at what has come up today. Now, I heard Mr. Narayanasamy and everybody with all the attention I could get. Mr. Narayanasamy was, emotionally and with his field visits, very clear that there was vast leakage; there was theft; there was improper working; there was all the misdoing by the officials and the Sarpanches and the BDOs who have to do it. He has been around, and he does travel around. It was difficult to bring his emotions down. I don't blame it. But then I heard others, from all parties here, say practically the same thing that while, on the one hand, the Government and the Prime Minister says that there can be no shortage of money for this, we will give you more, and on the other, there is a perception of the people who represent the field, who go there, who actually get a ground-level impression, which is truer than the impression of the Government people going on visits. I have been in that area of work, and a team led by a Joint Secretary going and having a look, as one of them discussed a kind of inspection which is carefully guided. I think that came out here in one or two speeches. (Contd. by ysr-2k)

-SK/YSR-MCM/4.30/2K

DR. M.S. GILL (CONTD.): I think this impression of the hon. Members, to me, is much more relevant. I have also been to Shivpuri and some other places. I have asked the people and my farmer cousins also about the tribal people and how do they see it. And it is quite obvious whether you give them Rs.70 a day or Rs.100 a day, it is the inherent right of certain people to take a part cut out of it. That is the way I would put it. And I doubt if it is easy to prevent that. But one has to try, one has to fight to try and reduce, if not eliminate, it. Otherwise, one would worry where this money, which will go up to a vast amount when you have 600 districts, will be going.

Incidentally, sitting in Cambridge, I was discussing this with a distinguished economist friend of the Prime Minister. We both belong to Punjab. I carried on, in my layman's view, arguing this and he gave me a good economist's view. He said, 'Well, you know, one way of looking at it is that even if this money filters out, it goes into the economy and still helps the growth.' Now, I am sure, that is a good economic reason, but still it is not a reason which would be acceptable to hon. Members here in this context. Therefore, the point of trying to find some way out, to correct it, to control it, to supervise it, to punish, and to prevent it, is the issue.

First, I would deal with the Scheme itself. Brinda Karatji said something. I also want to say something on that. Take any scheme. I have seen this in the Government of India for 40 years, in the Planning Commission, from Government to Government and from decade to decade. The Government of India makes a uniform scheme for the whole of India, whether it is Tripura, Punjab, Uttarakhand, Almora or Kerala. There is nothing common among them. People living there happen to be the citizens of one country. But, beyond that, everything is different -- the climate, the language, the food and the attitudes. You know it. I do not have to spell it out. If that is so, how can you have straitjacketed schemes? And I have seen them for 40 years.

She talked of Uttarakhand and of those hilltops. I know about them personally very well. What I want to say, in short, here, is that since you are expanding it to the whole of India, I would request the Minister to give flexibility. Let a local committee decide what they would like to modify, what things they would like to bring in and say, ' ֛ ָ' and what they would not want to do which is being done in Punjab or in Kerala. I think that is very necessary. And, I think, there is a very easy way of doing it, because I have done these kinds of things in my earlier days.

Have a committee in the State of Madhya Pradesh or Rajasthan or wherever it is. Send a Joint Secretary, or somebody else you want, with clear directions to sit in that committee and hear the people of the State. They know the ground reality better. And if they say, why don't we give up this and let us do this way, he should be open to agree. This is the simple way. If in Uttarakhand, people say, 'No, we would like to do fodder collection' or whatever you said, I would allow it. And I think it should be allowed. Don't tie them with one belt. It will not work.

Second thing, which, I think she and other Members talked about, is payment to women. I think even a question was raised that they must be paid equal to men. I was talking to a friend of mine and he educated me on it that in the industry, it is happening. In industry, the rule of 'equal work equal pay' is there. Perhaps it is. But, in this case, certainly, I want to say that the whole Scheme in the villages is to try and give them a little bit of money, to have some food for their children and their family. I think, many women will come forward to take your small jobs whatever they are. I think they must get full facility, full support and full salary. ֤ ֋ ֋, They will come forward. And then try to guard their opportunity against the sarpanch, the BDO and a few others; you know, 'the cuts' and things like that. This I want to say very strongly.

Next comes the question of leakage, which is worrying all of us. There has got to be a powerful monitoring mechanism. It includes checking it, controlling it, preventing it, and punishing those responsible for it.

I talked about standard monitoring by teams from the Government of India in which a few officers or others go. I am not sure that is enough. (Contd. by RSS/2L)

RSS/GS/2L/4.35

DR. M.S. GILL (CONTD.): Yes, Members of Parliament and MLAs should be asked to go there. I am quite happy to agree with that. But, I am not sure, even that is enough. I was just thinking-- not that I have any great ideas-- all over India, you have universities, you have social schools, social sciences, political science, economics, there are plenty of educational set ups with very qualified people, and I don't see why, in any district, anywhere, any of that kind of group is not asked to do so. You can say, okay, have a few people from this university or this big social school or this big college. The Minister has said that four per cent allocation is meant for administrative expenditure. Well, that is not only for the States. You can also spend it. And you could say. "All right, here out of this university because of huge faculty of social sciences and economics, put together five people to go and check 10 districts." They will be very happy to do field work, and will have interesting and exciting visits out of the university, and you pay them their TA/DA and a bit more. That is worthwhile money. Similarly, any institution, you can pick up. I don't like that phrase which is being used, and of course, no less a person than our Prime Minister used it, 'thinking out of the box.' Somehow, I am not with it. But, please think out of the box since this is the view of everyone these days, and don't just leave it to a Joint Secretary or a little bit more. I think, try and get any groups. Be open to anyone to go and check. I go further. In Delhi, I find Residents Welfare Associations. I read about them only in the newspapers, and a lot of members of these associations are retired generals, colonels, civil servants, administrators and scientists. They are there because they want to make their colony better. They have got together. Even I noticed that they have fought with the Ministry of Urban Development and others. They have even gone to the court for their rights, and I think, from whatever I am able to gather, they are doing good work. Can't there be Resident Welfare Associations in districts in rural India? There are lots of brigadiers, colonels, majors, and professors sitting there. ֤ ֟ , ӓ ֤ ִ ֯ , , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֟ ֯ , ֯ ֆ, , ..

THE MINISTER OF PANCHAYATI RAJ (SHRI MANI SHANKAR AIYAR): May I just take your permission for one minute? In Kerala, the entire issue of planning campaign involving the panchayats and local bodies has been an experience that is worth replicating for the entire country and the constitutional provisions on the District Planning Committee specifically provide for this to be taken into account, and therefore, it can be done.

DR. M.S. GILL: I am sure, the hon. Minister will take note of that. But my point is, as once I said in my other job on elections, like the sunflower needs a lot of sunshine, and I apply democracy to development works also. ֮ , ӡ , 00, 00 ו֋ ֵ ֮-߮ ׻֋ ו֋ ׻֋ ֆ, , ו֮֟ , ֮ ֯ ׻֋ , ֵ, פ ֟ But, monitoring has to be pushed. Of course, you have NGOs. I don't want to talk about that. But, I don't want to continue on and on though Narayanasamyji gave me a lot of time because we have a little bit of time... (Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): No, no. You don't have much time.

DR. M.S. GILL: Sir, I want to finish. But, the short point I want to make is that the Scheme is key to this Government. Its success or failure will have a major effect, and you are expanding the Scheme to the whole of India. That is to be welcomed. When you passed the Bill here two years ago, I read it and I got worried. But since the whole House wanted to do it, I went along with it. Otherwise, the mechanism of the B.D.Os, sarpanches and everybody, and the nature of these local works, which you may or may not do, is problematic. Now, you have brought in machines as people said. In one way, I some times think, when the Bill was passed, a lot of these people would have said, ֕ ֮֋, because the opportunity is there. (contd. by 2m)

-RSS-TMV-ASC/2M/4.40

DR. M. S. GILL (CONTD.): Now, you have got to prevent the opportunity and, I think, you should concentrate on monitoring by any means you can. Thank you. (Ends)

׻֟ ֟ (֕ã֮) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ֮֯ ֮ ִֵ פ, ׻֋ ֯ ֮־֤ , '™ߵ ִ ָ ָ ֮' ӲӬ , ־Ԥ ׾ֵ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ִ ֟ ֯ ִ֮ ֡ ִ֬ ֮ ӟ־ ֟ ׻֋ ֮־֤ ֮֯ ֡ ־֟ , ֡ פ ־ , ־ ָ ߵ ָָ , ֯ , ֮֯ ָ פ ׻֋ ֯ - ֮־֤ , ֕ã֮ ֟ ֱ ֵ֮֮ ֓, ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ Ͼ ִֵ ־Ԥ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮֟ ß֮ 13 ןֿ֟ ֵ, ֕ã֮ ֮ 85 ןֿ֟ ָ ֲֻ , ָ֮ ָ֮ , ֮ ־׬ ֵ ֕ã֮ ֮ Ͼע ָ֟ ֟ ֮ þֳ־ ֟ , ֵ ߔ ӟ־ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ִ ֮ ֲ֨ , ևә և , ׾ßָ ׾ֿ ־ֿ֟ Ͽ׮ ™ ϟ ֵ ֮ ֮֟ ֵԮֵ֮ ׾׳֮ ָ ׮֬Ը , ֮ ׮֟ӟ ־ ִ ֣״ ֵ ֟ Ϥ ֟ , ָ֟ ֻ ֛ ֻ ִ ״ֻ֟ ָ ֵ ֮ ֮ 60 40 ֤֕ ִ֮ ֟ , ִ ״ּ և ָ ֟ ֻ ׻֋ - ֻ ׻ֵ ֮ ֟ ָ֟ ֮ ָ ָ ֟ ָ muster roll ִ ׻ , ß־ , ׮֙ظ ߅

֮֮ߵ ӡ , ӓֵ֟ ßָ ӓֵ֟ ßָ ִ ָ ָևָ , ״ֻ-֟ - ײ֮ ִ ֻ֟ ֟ ֯ ָ֮ ָ ֯ ָ ֵ ֮ ֮, ִ ֮ ߯ , ׮׿֟ ֯ ָ֮ ֯ ֵ ָ֓ ֮֯ ָ Ͽ ָ ӓ ן , וִ ֮֯ ֮ ֟ ϴ ׻ օ ִ ӓֵ֟ ִ ֳ ֯ ״ , - ֟ ָӓ, ӓ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ã֋, ָָ -ָָ muster roll ֮ , ִ ֡ ֻ֟ ׻֟ ߿֮ ֓ և ָ ָ ״כ ֮ , ֻ ֋, ׮֙ظ ֿ , Ͽ ֯ ָ (ֿ: 2N/AKG ָ)

AKG/2N/4.45

׻֟ ֟ (֟) : ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֮ ֳ ֮ ׻֋ ӕ ֛ ֮־֮ ־ֿ ӕߵ֮ ִֵ ָ ־ ֡ ߤ ֟, ָ և ֟߅ ֛ ֮, ֮, ִ ״ֻ ״ֻ , ֟ ׻֋ ֵ ׮׿֟ ׮׿֟ ִ , ן ™ָ֓ ֋, ִ־ օ

֮ ԟ ָ ֟ ִ 100 פ ָ ָ֟ ֕ã֮ 70 72 ןֿ֟ ׬ִ 80 פ ָ ־ã , ß ִ ֕ã֮ ֻ כ , ֮ ׬ָ ϵ ֮ 100 פ ָ ֲֻ ֕ ֯ ָ פ ֟ 12 15 ߓ ֻ 100 פ ׻֮ ִ ֻ 100 פ ׮׿֟ ָ ״ֻ ֋, ׮־ ֵ ־ã

֮֮ߵ ӡ , 60 ֋ ן פ ֤֕ ֋, ֵ 100 פ ִ ֋, 6 ָ ֵ ֵօ 6 ָ ֋ ׸ָ ֻ֮- ? ? ׮׿֟ ׾ָ֓ ־ֿ - ֟ ָ 60 ֋ ֵ֕ 100 ֋ ֋, פ ֵ , ֤ 50 52 ֵ ָ ֕ã֮ ֟ , 20 25 ֓ , ִ֟ ֤֕ ֣ ֕ ֮ ֮ , ֕ã֮ ֻ ״ ֮ 73 ֵ 60 ֵ ֲֻ֟ ֮ ֮ ֵ֮, ֮ ӑ֮ פ ִָ ֵ ֮ ׿ֿ -ֻ, ֻ ֻ ֤֕ ׻֋ ׮֬׸ ִ֟ ֤֕ ֮֟ ֋, ֡ ֵ ֋ ֋

֯ ֓ - ָ ֢ ָ ֲֻ , ֮֯ ָ ֢ ־֮֬ ֮֯ ָ ֢ ֕ ָָ ָ פ ֈә 10 ןֿ֟ ו֋, , ֮ ֮ ו֋ ϟ ִ߮ ָ ? ֯ ׮֙ظ ֋ 100 פ ָ ֲֻ , ָ ֢ ֮֟ ֵ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֟ ? פ ׾ֿ ִ֬ ֯ ֟ , ֵ֤ ־ֲ ֋ ד֟ ֮֕ן , ֕ã֮ ֓ - ֯, ָ, ־֛, ָ, , , ו֮ ִ߮ , ֮ ֮֬ ֵ ָ֟ ֵֻ֮ ֻ և և, ָ֟ ֻ ֋ ָ-ָ ױ ӡ , ֲ ֯  ׾ßָ , ֟ , ֵ ־ ֮֮ ד֟ ֮֕ן ׻֋ 100 פ ָ ֵ֕ 200 פ ָ ֲֻ ֵ ֋? (2 ָ ֿ:)

SCH/RG/4.50/2O

׻֟ ֟ (֟): ֯ ֮־ߵ ™ ׮׿֟ ׮֟ ׿ֿ , ֯ ׮־

ִ ֓ ִ ָ , 60:40 ִ ãֵ , ׻֋ ֯ ָ֮ ӲӬ Ù ֮֟ ֵ־֙ ֟ ӲӬ ӓֵ֟, ӓֵ֟ ״ן וֻ ßָߵ Ͽ֮ 60 40 , it is impractical. ִ ו ־֮֬ ֵ , ִ ִ ãֵ օ ֯ ָ ָ֯ ׾ָ֓ ׸ 50:50 ֟ ֓ ֋ ֮ ָ ָ ֯ ָ ִ֮ ߴ֟ ֜֋ ֮ ֓ ? ־׸ ãן , ֯ ִ֮

ָ ֵԾ ֓ ֟ ָ ֻ֮ ֺ ֯ ֛ ֻ ׾׳֮ Ϥ , ָ ֵ㌟ ֣ ؙ ֟ ؓ֟ ־ֿ ׮֙ظ ָ ָ ׮֙ظ ָ , , ֟ ֯ ֕߾ Ӭ ֋ ֵ ֟ ׌ 10 ֟ ׻֋ ֋ ׮֙ظ ־ã ֋ ׿ֵ֟ וÙ ָ ...(־֮֬) , ֮ ׻֋ 17 ״֮֙ ִֵ פ ֵ ֮ ִֵ ߴ ܵ ײ֮ ָ , ־ ֟ օ ֲ , ֲ ֵ֟ ֵ ֯ ֮ ִֵ ״ֻ

ָ ׿ֵ֟ ׻֋ וÙ ? ׿ֵ֟ ֋, ֯ Ù ״ֻ ָ ִ ָ ־֮֬ օ ָ ׮׿֟ ׾ָ֓ ֮

ָ ̕ ә ֟ , ֟ Ӥ ֮ ™ָ֓ ׻֋ ֛ ߯ , ׻֋ ׿ֵ֟ ߬-߬ וÙ ־֮֬

ֲ ֟ ־ ߯ ֵ , ָ֟ , ֵ㌟ , ָ߲ , ִ ֻ ֵ ׮־ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ֮֯ ֮ ִֵ פ, ׻֋ - ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

ㇵ (֬ Ϥ): ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ־ , ־ ׸ ָ ..(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): I have not permitted you...(Interruptions)

ㇵ : ָ, ֻ ״֮֙ ׻֋ ֮ ־ ׸ ָ֬ ָ ...(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Kindly listen to me. I will give you one minute after others have spoken. You cannot do like this. If you want, I will give you time. But, take the permission. Now Shri Nand Kishore Yadav. ֤ , ֯ ֙ ׻֋ י և ֻ ״֮֙ , ֯ ֮ ֟ ָ ״֮֙ ֟ ו֋ ֯ 100% ֤ ִֵ


֮ ֤ (ָ Ϥ): ָ, ֮ ֟ ״֮֙ ִ֯ օ

ֳ֬: (...׸֮): , , ֯ ֮ ֟ ָ ״֮֙ ֟ ו֋

֮ ֤: ָ, - ֮־֤ ֮֮ߵ ӡ '™ߵ ִ ָ ֮' ׮׿֟ ֮ ߔ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ־֮ ו ִ , ָ ׻֋ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮־֤

ָ, ֮ ־ֻ , ִֵ 330 ֤֮֯ ֻ ִָ֓ ֡ ִ֬ ֻ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ 1 , 2008 ֳ ׮׿֟ ߅ ߔ ӡֵֻ ӡ , ִֵ ִ ָ ָ ֙ ־֮ , ָ , ֵֻ֮ , ׻֋ ߔ ܵ , 100 פ ָ פ ֋

PSV/2P ָ ָ

PSV-KS/2P/4.55

֮ ֤ (֟): ֲ ֛ ִõ ֮ ָָ ָ ָ ֋ ֓ ִ 2006-07 ߲ 11 ָ 300 ֋ ֕֙ օ ֮ ֱ֟ ׾ֱ֟ ֕ ָ ׮ֳԸ ӡ ָ ϵ ֵ֮֮ ׮־ ־ ֟ ָ ֮ ִ ֕ ו ִ ׻֋ , ִ ָ Դָ֤֮ ֣ ™ߵ ִ ָ ֮ ֓ , ϵ ־֕-- ֪ׯ ӡ ֮ ־ֲ ָָ ֟ ֮ , וֻ ֟ ߕ ֮ Ӆ ִִ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ, ֤ ָ ֤ , ֤õ ִ ï ָ ֋ ֛ , ִ , ֤֮֯ ãן , ָ ֟֟ ָ Ϥ ֻ וֻ ֟ , ؙ ֻ ָ ֟ ׯ֔ ָ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ִ֮ ָֻ ״ן , և ߅ ִ ָ ֤֮֯ ֟ , ֻ ևԅ ֲ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׮֤ פօ ָ ևԅ ֟ ֤õ , ָ ï ָ ֮ , כÙ וÙ ָ ֮ ֮ , ׬׸ ָ ״ֻ֟

ָ ϴ ִõ ֛ ִ ׾ - ֮֋ ֻ , ָ ִ ׾ָ֓ , ָ ևՅ ãן ָ ϵ ױ ô , ô , ֮ և ϵ ִ ֻ ִ , ־ ֲ ־ , ֤ ֛ ֮օ ֛ ֮ -- ֵ օ Ѿ ֵօ ֛ ו֮ ֮ , ֟ օ ִ ֛ ֮ ֵ ִ ָ ִ , ֮ ϳ׾֟

ָ ֟ ִ ֟ ֓ ָ ֙ ֤ߵ ֳ ן־ָ ֮ ָ ֵ , וֻ ßָ ֵ ִ֯ ױ , ֯ ִ և ִ ױ ô ֤--֤ ׮׿֟ ִ ֋ --ָ ִ֬ , ִ ֣ ׬׸ ϳ־ , - , ֤--֤ ׮׿֟ Ѿ ֮ ִ ֣ ִ ֿ߮ ϵ ֛ , Ù ֮ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׮־ ֯ ֮ , ...(ִֵ ә)... ֯ ׾ֳ , פ ִ ָ ֟ ֯ ֮ ֱ ׻֋, ו֮֟ , ִ ϵ ֵ֮֮ ...(־֮֬)...

׮־ ֮֯ וֻ ֟ ֮և , ֲ ׬ָ , ֲ ֟ ֮֮ ֻ ֟ ֣ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ֯ - ֮־֤

(ִ֯)

(2/000 ָ ֿ:)

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