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VNK-KSK/2.30/2b

The House re-assembled after lunch at thirty minutes

past two of the clock.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.

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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shri Brij Bhushan Tiwari.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: Sir, it is time for Private Members' Business.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Decision has been taken that Private Members' Business will be taken up at 3.30 p.m. to 6.00 p.m.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: When was it decided?

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It was decided in the Chamber.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: Sir, I want to protest against this decision because this is sacred two-and-a-half hours time for Private Members' Business. We should take the Appropriation Bill after 5 o'clock.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It has already been decided.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: I am Mover of the Bill which will be discussed today. I agree that it can be taken up at 3.30 p.m.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Joshi, please cooperate.

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MP/2C/2.35

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MCM-SK/2D/2-40

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ֳ֯ן : ן־ָ , ֯ և ֤ ֵ ֯ ֟ ״֮֙ ߮ ״֮֙ ֤ ֋

ֳ ן־ָ : ״֮֙ ֮ ֟ ִ֯

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ֳ֯ן : ִ֯ ׸

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(ִ֯)

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN (WEST BENGAL): Thank you, Sir. It is the first batch of Supplementary Demands for Grants, 2007-08. While I stand up to support the Appropriation (No. 3) Bill, I would like to express some views on the present scenario of economic situation of our country and on this Appropriation Bill along with the Supplementary Demands for Grants. I have seen that there is an additional expenditure for Rs. 2412.14 crores. There is another point in this para that it would be met by savings of Ministries/Departments or by enhanced receipt; the recovery is nearly Rs. 10,000 crore. May I know from the hon. Minister what is the nature of the savings and from which Ministry this saving would accrue? My apprehension is this. There is a discussion of consolidation of public finance with the lowest fiscal deficit. So, it should be clarified here. Sir, everybody is talking about the growth of the GDP of our country. It is absolutely right that it is now 10 per cent. Very recently, our Prime Minister told in a meeting that it is nearly 10 per cent. But, I should share that it is not being translated to the common people. Very recently one of our esteemed colleagues, Shri Arjun Kumar Sengupta, submitted a report to the Prime Minister. It was a Committee appointed by the Government of India. He told, with your permission, I will quote only two lines, "Over the decades while the percentage of the population below the poverty line has come down, in 2004-05, 77 per cent people, totalling 836 million, had an income less than twice the official poverty line or below, Rs. 20 per day per capita". This is the situation of our countrymen. So, it is not translated to the common people in their livelihood.

My second point, Sir, is regarding the price rise. Sir, WPI, the Wholesale Price Index, declined in August. CPI, not the Communist Party of India, Consumer Price Index, steadily increased. I would like to know from the hon. Minister why the prices are increasing. So, there is a gap between demand and supply. The Government failed to control the prices. (Contd. by ysr-2e)

-SK/YSR/2.45/2E

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN (CONTD.): Why is the vegetable market so hot? See the price of potato, onion, and cauliflower in the Delhi's vegetable market. The price of cauliflower is Rs.40 per Kg and onion between Rs.22 and Rs.25 per Kg. What kind of situation is this?

In agriculture, since Independence, there is the lack of proper attention; there is the lack of proper investment; and there is this lack of productivity. In this Appropriation Bill, there is a mention of National Food Security Mission. In this, there is a provision for increasing the production of wheat, rice, pulses, etc. But the productivity of major crops per hectare yield long since has declined. We are doing nothing. I do not know whether it will serve our purpose and the yield per hectare will go up. I demand that the Government should pay more and proper attention to this sector.

As I have already mentioned, one of our esteemed colleagues, Prof. Swaminathan, provided a report to the Government of India. It is very unfortunate that this report is not yet discussed here. In this respect, I again demand to discuss this report as also the report of Mr. Sengupta.

We have read and seen in the newspapers about the Rajiv Gandhi Grameen Vidyutikaran Yojana. On several occasions, our Prime Minister, and other Ministers also, said that every village would be electrified by 2009. What is the fund requirement? It is Rs.25,000 crore. The Ministry of Power has been given Rs.500 crore. What is the progress in it? Are we in a position to complete this programme by 2009? This is my specific question to the hon. Minister. Yes, it is a fact that India is now a country of billionaires. The number of billionaires in the list is increasing. The figure is now changing. It is now 34 or 36. At this moment, I am not able to recall the number revealed in the Fortune magazine, 2007. But what about providing potable water to every house? What about reducing child mortality rate? What about reducing rate of under-nourished children? What about reducing maternal mortality rate and under-weight babies? What about the sanitation programme of our country? There is a big gap between promise and performance.

On education, in 2005-06, it was promised that five lakh classrooms would be built and 1.5 lakh teachers would be appointed. After that, we have seen that only two lakh classrooms were built and 75,000 teachers were appointed. The teacher-pupil ratio is now 1:42. In the meantime, in the Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan, the funding pattern has changed. In this perspective, I would say that it is not proper. Earlier, it was 75:25 and now it is 50:50. I urge upon the Government to go back to the earlier status.

Sir, I have seen in the Appropriation Bill that there is a proposal for additional grant for the construction relating to the Safdarjung Hospital and the RML Hospital. We get ourselves treated frequently at the RML Hospital. So I have no objection to the upgradation of the Safdarjung Hospital and the RML Hospital. One thing I would like to ask the hon. Minister is this. What about the six AIIMS-like institutions in our country? It was promised in 2005-06. In the Budget Estimates, it was given Rs.250 crore. But I have seen in the Revised Estimates that it was reduced drastically to Rs. six crore. In the Budget Estimates 2005-06, it was Rs.75 crore and in the Revised Budget Estimate, it was Rs. ten crore. My impression is that the Government is not in a position to fulfil its commitment. In the Budget Estimates 2007-08, an amount of Rs.150 crore was provided for that particular purpose. So, I would like to know what happened to that promise. What is the reality?

Another question that I would like to ask from the Hon. Finance Minister is this. (Contd. by VKK/2F)

-YSR/VKK/2f/2.50

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN (CONTD.): So for the sub-plan for the development of minorities in our country, in the last Budget, I am very much aware about the announcement of the Finance Minister. He has done a lot in his Budget speech regarding the development of minority sections of our country. But, I would say that the Union Budget 2007-08 does not mention any proposal for the sub plan for the minorities on the lines of the Special Component Plan for the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes sub plan which, in fact, was one of the most important proposals of the Left parties. Out of the Union Government's proposed Plan outlay of Rs.2,05,100 crore for 2007-08, only Rs.500 crores, nearly 0.24 per cent, is earmarked for minorities while the minorities constitute more than 15 or 16 per cent of the total population. So, I would like a specific answer in this regard.

Sir, I will not take much of the time. I have only two points. Sir, I have seen the Appropriation Bill. I would like to ask one thing from the hon. Finance Minister. It is Budget-specific. He has to tell us that the Budget deficit will be two per cent as against 3.8 per cent earlier. Sir, the Economic Advisory Council to the Prime Minister, in its 2007-08 report have said that GDP will be nine per cent, but, there will be some risk. What is the risk? Is it the Budget liability? I suppose, as I know, in the three heads, there may be liabilities. Firstly, bonds issued by oil companies, secondly, special security issues of FCI and thirdly, the fertiliser subsidy. All together, in these three heads, it will be Rs.44,138 crore plus the deficit which is mentioned in the Budget speech. It was Rs.1,56,320 crore, if it is taken together. Where is two per cent? It becomes 4.7 per cent. So, where is the FRBM Act? It will aggravate the deficit with the States. If it is a debt State, it becomes 8.3 per cent. This is the situation.

Sir, I am concluding with these words that it is absolutely right that India now is the fourth largest economy in the world by PPP. India has the fifth largest foreign exchange reserve. But, the growth needs to be more and more comprehensive. We must address the issues relating to education, health and poverty at the grass-root levels. With these words, I thank you, Sir. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Now, Shri C. Ramachandraiah. Your Party has got two minutes. But, I know that in two minutes, nobody can speak. So, take five minutes and complete.

SHRI C. RAMACHANDRAIAH (ANDHRA PRADESH): Thank you, Sir. I stand to support this Bill which is seeking the Supplementary Demands with some observations. Sir, the additional expenditure that has been incurred is around Rs.20,412 crores, a major portion is from the Department of Fertilisers. Rs.15,000 crores have been requested for additional expenditure. Sir, for these Rs.15,000 crores, a narration has been given, that is, the Supplementary Grants is required for the following purposes: subsidy on imported decontrolled fertilisers, subsidy on indigenous decontrolled fertilisers, subsidy on imported urea and subsidy on nitrogenous fertilisers, put together around Rs.15,000 crores. As a providing combination through issue of special securities to the fertiliser units to the tune of Rs.7500 crores, a detailed narration is given which does not entail cash outgo. The net cash outgo will be around Rs.6554 crores. It gives an inference that the Rs.7500 crores worth are being issued as bonds or securities or whatever it is, to fertiliser companies. Sir, my first question is: Why has it not been contemplated when we had submitted the original proposals in the Budget?

(Contd. by RSS/2g)

RSS/2g/2.55/

SHRI C. RAMACHANDRAIAH (CONTD.): The second thing is, oil bonds which are being issued from time to time, and the security bonds which are issued to the fertilizer manufacturing companies, will they be taken into consideration while you are considering or calculating the fiscal deficit? Sir, my apprehension is, to show to the nation that the FRBM targets are being maintained by the Finance Minister, it is a well- meaning endeavour, I should appreciate. But why has the Parliament--I do not know which word I can use--been kept in the dark? If the payments are being made, it will be shown as a liability; it is just to be shown as a liability before making the payment. And now, we are issuing the bonds, and as far as my knowledge about the Government Accounting goes, they are not being taken into consideration while you are calculating the fiscal deficit. So, why is it being done? What purpose is it going to serve except to prove to the nation that we are maintaining the fiscal deficit? That will not serve much purpose. As I have been telling, strict maintenance of these targets need not be necessary in an expanding economy, and I feel that it is a total window dressing of the Budget.

Secondly, Rs. 729 or 730 crores have been provided for the Indian Telephone industry for waivers, writing off the loans and other things. So, my request is, what is the policy of the Government as far as sick units in the public sector are concerned? The Government is in total confusion about disinvestments. They proclaim something. Then they go back and they will justify. Of course, I do not want to go into the compulsions of the coalition politics, which every coalition is facing in this country, which has become the order of the day. But, the Government should have a clarity. I do not advise that you should go this way or that way. In whichever way the Government is going, you cannot be selective or you cannot be partial as far as disinvestments is concerned. So, my request to the Minister is, what exactly is the plan about the Indian Telephone industry? Whether it is being revived or whether continuously the budgetary protection will be given to these units. I am very pointed because I do not want to take much time. I refer to one report of the Committee on Liberalisation of Foreign Institutional Investment. The report was submitted by Dr. Ashok K. Lahiri and two others. It is a Committee appointed by the Government of India. In this report it was recommended, and I quote:

"In view of the recent concerns of some unregulated entities taking positions in the stock market through the mechanism of participatory notes issued by FIIs, the issue was examined by the Ministry of Finance in consultation with the Reserve Bank of India and SEBI. Following this consultation, in January 2004, SEBI stipulated that PNs are not to be issued to any non-regulated entity, and the principle of "know your clients" may be strictly adhered to," and to what extent this concept of "know your clients" is being adopted in the banks. Sir, recently, I have seen in one transaction where in respect of 30,000 accounts, the refund orders have been issued in respect of the 30,000 accounts created in one single account that led to the scam. "SEBI has indicated that the existing non-eligible PNs will be permitted to expire or to be wound-down on maturity or within a period of 5 years, whichever is earlier. Besides, reporting requirement on a regular basis has been imposed on all the FIIs." (contd. by 2h)

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