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AKG-TMV/3O/5.00

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: You will have to put unreasonable restrictions on the speakers, if you want to finish it today. (Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA): No, I couldn't hear you.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: If you insist on finishing it today, then, you will have to impose restrictions which may not be very reasonable. (Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Even then it will not be finished. We can't finish it today. (Interruptions)...

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: So, I think, to do justice to the subject, you postpone it. (Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: So, what will be better?

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: To do justice to the subject, you postpone it.

ֳ֬ : Ù , ו֮֟ ִ , ֮ ִ ֋

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: Okay, Sir. (Interruptions)...

ֳ֬ : ׸ ֻ֮ ו֋ Let us do like this. Let us listen to Prof. Ramdeo Bhandari. Then we will reconsider it. ӛָ ׻֋

֮֕ן ֤ : ָ, ӛָ ֤ ִ

ֳ֬ : ֙ ֲ ֕ !

. ִ ӛָ (ײָ) : ֳ֬ , ֯ ֳָ ֌ ֮֮ߵ ֤ ֳָ ֌ ֕ ֮ ָ פօ , ֟ , ָ֮ ֻ , ו וֻ ֟ , וֻ ֓ ꇮ ֮ Ӥ ָ և , ֻ ߅ ֮֬ ֜ כ ָ ֻ , ָ ֵ ֵֻ ꅠ ִ֮ ãן ֻ֟ ãן ֜ כ ָ, ו֮ ֵ֟ ־ֿ , ו֮ ־ֿ , ָ ֻ߅ ֳ ӡֵֻ ָ ׸ ״ֻ , ӡ ֮־֤ ֮ ӡֵֻ ִ ׸ ָ և 20 ֕ ӑ ֟ Ϥ ֜ ևԅ ִ 10 ֕ , וִ֮ ָ ֜ և, וִ֮ ײָ ֜ ֲ כ ֕ օ ָ֕ ״ ֣ ֮֮ߵ ֤ ֳָ ֌ ֮ ײָ ָ ד֮ ֌ ߅ ײָ ֳ 2 ֜ כ ֲ ӡֵֻ ׸ ָ , ֤ ײָ ֜ ãן ׾ֿ ָ ֮ ֟ , ֮ ֙ ֟ ãן ߅ ֲָ Ù ׸ , ִ ָ ֻ ܵ 352 , ֲָ ׸ , ָ ֟ 20 וֻ ϳ׾֟ , 210 ӛ ֲ ׸ ׿֟ , ִ ֳ 6 ָ, 7 ָ Ѿ ֓ ևԅ ִֵ ֲָ ׸ ׿֟ , ָ 9,064 Ѿ , 12.40 ָ 338.24 ֋ ֻ ֲԤ , ׮֕ ֮ 1,77,728 , ו֮ ֮֮ 174 ֋ ꅠ ָ ֜ ֲ֤ ֮ ָ Ѿ ϳ׾֟ (3/ߋ ָ ֿ:)

SCH/5.05/3P

. ִ ӛָ (֟): ָ ײָ ֜ և ֲ ֟ ו̻ ֮֬ ׾̮֕ ָ ֟ ֮֬ ֟ ׻֋ ֨ , ֮֬ ؙ ׻֋ ָ ֜ ׻֋ ײָ 44 וֻ , ִ ָ ײָ ֳ 20 וֻ ֻ ֜ ϳ׾֟ ֮ ֻ֟ , ָָ ֮֟ ֮ ֻ֟ ֜ ֮ ߑ׻ ϴ֟ ֮ , ֮ , ֻ ָ ֤ ֟֋ ֮ ֜ ָ ֟ ָָ ָ ָ ֳ 3000 ׬ ߙ 12 פ ָ Ӭ ֮ ֻ ֜ Ӭ

Ӿ ֻ ֻ֮ ֤ ֟ ָ ָ ׿ִ פ Ӭ ֵ Ӭ , ׻֋ ָָ ָ ֟ Ӭ ָ֟ ֮ Ӿ ߻ ֯ ãן ֮ ֟ ֯ Ӿ ׮ ãן ָ ߮ ֮ ֮ וֻ ֮ ׻֋ ß ״ֻօ ׻ ־ ß ֮ וֻ ֟օ ãן ֮ ֻ ׾֯ע ׻֋ ָ ֺ ֛ ֕ ִ ֮ ֛ , ִ , ꅠ ָ ֛ , ֜ ָ ֟ , ׻֋ ־ã ֮ ֲ ׸ , ֻ ֵ֤ և ֲ ׻֋ 393 ֮֋ ֮և , 20% ֵԮֵ֮ օ ֲ ֮֟ ֜ ֮ , ֮ ָ , ֮

ָ ֲ ֜ ֮ , ֲ ׸ָ ֵ ֕ ֮ օ , ׾֤ ֻ ֋ ׸ָ ߴָ ֵ ֻ ֋ ׸ָ ãן , ֯ Ӥ֕ ..(־֮֬)

ָ֕ ״: ֲ ֜ և ߅

. ִ ӛָ: ֜ ֮ ֻ ߅ ֯ ֮ ֻ֟ ֜ ֮ ...(־֮֬)

ָ֕ ״: ִ֟ ָ ֵ ֋ ...(־֮֬)

. ִ ӛָ: ָ ָ ׸ָ ߴָ ׸ָ ֵ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ ( ӟ ֛פ): ӛָ ֟ ִ ׾̮֕ ...(־֮֬)

ֵָ : ײָ כ ߋ ־֮֬ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ ( ӟ ֛פ): , ֯ և ....(־֮֬) ֯ ָ ׻֋, ֯ ָ

. ִ ӛָ: -, ״ ꅠ ܵ ӡ ִ ָ ӵ㌟ ָָ , ֲ ꅠ

ָ ãן և Ù ײֻ -ֱ ֵօ ִֵ ָ ֻ ֤ , ӡ , ӵ㌟ Ϭ֮ ӡ ߅ ָ ִ ׾ֻ ־֮ ֻ ֤ ßָ ꅠ ӵ㌟ ֳ 10-12 ֯, וִ ִ ׾ֻ ־֮ և , ֳ ֤ , ֳ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֋ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֮ օ ֟ ײָ ָָ և ֣ ױָ , 550 ֵ - ײָ ָָ , ו ײָ ָָ ֵ ֵ , ָ ׸ և ֣ ָ ֳ 175 ֵ ָ , ֵ֟ ϴ ֡ , ֵ ׸ߕ 3Q/PSV/ ָ ֿ:

PSV-RG/3Q/5.10

0 ִ ӛָ (֟): ֻ ֻ ֜ , ֻ ֮ ...(־֮֬)...

ָ֕ ״ : ֵ֤ 320 פ ...(־֮֬)... ֲ ׮ֵ և י ֋ ...(־֮֬)... ֲ ֋ , ֲ פ ֵ ...(־֮֬)...

0 ִ ӛָ : ֤ ֵ , ״ ...(־֮֬)... ִֵ ֤ ...(־֮֬)... ֟ ו ִֵ ֋ , ִֵ ֵ օ ֤ ֵ , ӡ ֮־֤ ָ ֟ և, ֮֮ߵ ߴ֟ ׮ֵ Ѭ ײָ ֵ ֵ֮օ - ׻ ָ ֜ כ ֺ ֟֓ߟ ֣ ֮օ ױ ֮ ֤-- ֯ , ״ , ָ ָָ ײָ ָָ ֤ ָ ׻ ־ã ԅ ִֵ ֮֯ ־ ߅ ֜-Ͼ ϲ֮ ־ֿ

, ָ ִõ֋ ָ ԅ Ѭ , ָ֟ ִָ Ѭ օ ִָ Ѭ ֮־֟ Ѭ ָ֟ ߅ , ߑֻ߮ ־ã , ָ ִ֮ ִ֮ ׻ ֵ ָ ײָ ֕ ֠ 73 ןֿ֟ ֱ ֛- ֳ 10-12 פ ֻ ֟ ֠ 61 ָ ֮ ֻ ֯ ֟ ָ ֯ ֟ , ֯ ָ ײָ Ѥ ֮ ָ , ױ ֯ ָ ָ ֮--֮ , ָ ָ ֻ ָ , ֮ ֮ ִ߮ þֺ ֤ ִ߮ þֺ ֵ, ֵօ ֻ֟ פ , ֻ ֕ ׸ָ ևԛ , ֵ և , ߓ ֵ ָ ֮ ֟ , ָ ֟ Ѭ ֟ Ѿ ߻ ֟ ãן ײָ ߅ ãן ߑֻ߮ ֵ ֺ Ù ־֮Դ ־֮֬ ֛օ ָָ , ִֵ ׻֋ ָ ֛օ

, ߑֻ߮ ֵ ֻ ֵֻֿ ֮֮ օ ֲ 2001 ָָ , ִֵ ֟ ߅ ֲ 000 ָָ , ִֵ ֟ ߅ ߑֻ߮ ֵ , ָ օ ֯ և ߵ ׸֮, ָ ָ ֻ ָ ֲ ־֮ ָ֟ , օ ָ ָ - ִ֟ ߵ ׸֮, ָ֣ ֻ ֻ ֵֻֿ ׸֮, ߿֮֯, ִ֟ ߵ ֮ ֻ ߵ ֮, ӛ, ־ָ ִ ֮Ӥ פ ָ ֵֻֿ, և֕Ԯ ֮ֆ ִ׾֟ ֵ֮ ֋ ָ ֟ ֲ ֻ ֵֻֿ ׮ִ , և ֮֮ ָ ֲ ֻ ֲ ֻ , ֻ ֣ ׾ָ֓-׾ִֿ ֻ , ִ - ֻ߲֕ ֛߅ ָ ֣ ׿ֵָ ֟ ֛ , ߴ әÙ ֮ әÙ օ ָ, ߑֻ߮ 껵֮ ֲ , ֻ ֣ ִ , ֮, ֵֻֿ ֻ ֮, ֲ ָ֮ 껵֮ օ (3ָ/000 ָ ֿ:)

3R/KLG/5.15

0 ִ ӛָ (֟) : ֲ ָ֮ 껵֮ օ ָ ײָ ָָ ׻֋ ָ , ֻ֮ ֛߅

ֳ֬ ( ӟ ֛פ) : ӛָ , ֮ ִֵ ֯ ?

0 ִ ӛָ : ָ, ֟ ֬ ־ ӛ ָ ֋ , ִֵ Ӿ ãן , ־ã ֲ ׬ פ ֋ ׻֋ ֋, ֛ ִõ ֮ ֮-߮ ֟ ו֋ ָ ֙ ֮, ֛֓, ֲ ־ã Ԯ ָ , ֻ ӳ־ ֙ ָ ־ã , Ԯ ָ ָ ֙ ...(־֮֬)

ֵָ : ӛָ , ֯ ֻ ָ ִ ׾ֻ , ֯ ו ו֋

ֳ֬ : ֯ ֟ ? ֛ ֟ ? ..(־֮֬).. ֯ , ֛ ֟ ֯ ֛ ֟

0 ִ ӛָ : ֤- ִֵ ֕֟ ֯ ֮ ֮

, ָָ ߑ׻ ֮ ֮֮ ֛ , ׸ָ , ־֕ ֛օ ߟ߿ ָ ӕֲ ܵ ӡ ׮־ ֿ ׻֋ ָ ֟ , ֳ Ϥ ֤ ֕ , ָָ , ֲ ֙ , ֳ Ϥ ֤ , ָ Ϥ ָָ ׵֟ ֮֟ , ָָ ֲ ֮ ׵֟ ֕ ֛ ֟ , ֤ ߲֟ ֜ ֟ ָ ָ , ׸ָ ֵ ֻ ֋ , ֕ ãן ֮ և , -ֱ և , ꌙ ֆ , ָ-ָ ִ֮ ו֋ ֟ , ꌙ ãן ֮ , ָ ָ ֮ פօ ִ ָָ ֵ ֵ , ãן ֮ և , ֮֮ ߅

, ײָ ֮֟ ֛ ָ ֮ ֮ ָև , ָ ֯ , ־ ָ ϵ ֟ ߵ ָָ ָ ָ , ֮ ֻ ֮֮ߵ ׮ֵ Ӭ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֵ֮ ֟, - ָ ֟ ֳ ײָ ִ ײָ ׯ֔ ֕ , ٣ ֕ , ֟ ֮֟ ٣ ֕ ֕ , ׯ֔ ֕ ײָ ֮֟ ִ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ׮־ ׬ ׬, ֯ ָ , ֲ ײָ ָ ָָ פ-֟ ִ ֙ ֜-֜ ֯ ֟ , ֟ , ֮֟ - ִ֟ , ֕ ָָ ֟ , ִ ָ ֵ֟ ߵ ָָ ײָ ָָ ֮ ֣ ߑֻ߮ ֮֋ , ֻ ָָ ֣ ״ֻ ֮և ָ֮ 껵֮ ֜ , ֤ ײָ ֮֟ ֜ ߅

, ָ ױ ײָ ָָ ֜ ל ָ ֟ ֻև, ך ֟ ֻև ֯ ֤ , ָ ֟ ו֋, ִ ו֋ ֯ ׻֋ ־ã ײָ ֮֟, ֕ , ־߸ ֕ , ן ײָ ֮֟ י֨ , ׾ , ׻֋ ָָ ׾ ֲ ֣ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ - ֮־֤ (ִ֯) 3/ߛ߲ ָ

TDB/3S/5.20

SHRI D. RAJA (TAMIL NADU): Thank you, Sir. I am happy to see that our hon. Home Minister is present when the debate on flood situation is going on in the House. Sir, I share the strong feelings expressed by the hon. Members on the tragic losses occurred during these floods. The devastation is really very immense and the loss of human lives, loss of cattle, loss of property is immense. There is no question of denying this fact. We must adopt a two-pronged strategy to tackle floods because floods have become recurrent phenomena in our country. Not only floods, we witness droughts also. These natural calamities, how we are going to confront or we are going to face that is the issue which we really should discuss. As far as short-term strategy is concerned, the Government should rush all immediate relief to the affected areas and the affected people. I urge upon the Central Government to extend all possible help to all the States which have been affected by floods, and the States will have to mobilise their own resources to extend relief to the affected people. There must be proper coordination between the Central Government and the State Governments. It is of no use blaming each other at a time of natural calamity like this. But, having said this, I must point out that the State Governments have more responsibility because they are the immediate Governments which have to tackle the situation.

Sir, as a party, the CPI sent a delegation of two Parliament Members to flood affected areas in Bihar. They could visit only Begusarai and Khagaria. They could not visit Madhubani and Darbhanga. That was the situation there. After they came back, they, in fact, gave us a very disturbing report. The situation in Bihar was the worst. Now, I must tell this august House we will have to see what we can do in a given situation like this. Both the Centre and the States must work in coordination and provide all immediate relief to the people affected due to floods. But, at the same time, the Central Government and the State Governments must have some long-term strategy. Here I come to certain things which have been accepted by the UPA Government in its own National Common Minimum Programme. It addresses some of the issues related to floods and other natural calamities. In fact, the National Common Minimum Programme reads, "Long pending schemes in specific States that have national significance like the Sethusamudram Project, flood control and drainage in North Bihar", this requires cooperation with Nepal as well, "and prevention of erosion in Padma, Ganga and Bhagirathi. Flood control in West Bengal will be completed expeditiously. A flood prone area development programme will be started and the Central Government will fully support flood control works in interstate and international rivers." I think, it is one of the well thought out strategies for flood control, in particular, for Bihar and West Bengal. And it talks about Nepal also. We will have to talk to Nepal also because we have some international rivers also. So, we have to see how the Centre has been thinking to proceed on this because on Brahmaputra, we have the same problem. (Contd. by 3t-kgg)

kgg/3t/5.25

SHRI D. RAJA (Contd.): In north Bihar we have the same problem. There must be a long-term strategy to control these floods. Again, I must point out that the same National Common Minimum Programme talks about one more strategy: "The UPA Government will make comprehensive assessment of the feasibility of linking the rivers of the country, starting with south-bound rivers." I do not know how far the Centre took the initiative to study this feasibility. Because it is an issue, now people talk about linking the southern rivers and it can be discussed at the national-level also. Somewhere, some beginning has to be made and that is not being done, that is what I try to point out. The Centre has not taken any initiative or enough initiatives on this issue because there must be some kind of a national opinion, national consensus also to undertake such a huge and massive programme. (Interruptions)

So, I would like to know what initiatives the UPA Government has undertaken. The National Common Minimum Programme also speaks about exploring the possibility of linking sub-basins of rivers in States like Bihar, and these are all long-term perspectives. We do not address anything long-term. Whenever there is flood, we cry and we shout, and we try to put the responsibility on each other; but, we must, as a nation, as a people, have a long-term perspective. We have rivers and some are perennial and some are dried up and how are we going to address this issue?

Then, when we talk about floods, when we talk about drought, we must really address the question of preserving forest, conserving forests and I find in Orissa that we have floods and, at the same time, we have drought also in that State. Some part is flooded and some part is experiencing drought.

Recently, I came across a report which says that the State Government of Orissa has sent a proposal to the Central Government for really handing over more than 3,000 acres of forest land to Posco. I am not discussing Posco issue here and that is a separate issue. Whenever an opportunity comes up, I would speak on Posco, but here my point is that the existing forest land, more than 3,000 acres, is handed over to Posco when the whole world is discussing about global warming and preservation of forest, increasing the forest cover everywhere; but this is what is happening in our country. Then, how can we maintain the balance in our country? That is what I really urge upon the UPA Government to stand by its own commitments given in the National Common Minimum Programme for flood control, for linking of rivers. In particular, Bihar has several proposals. They will have to be considered. The State Government must take immediate relief measures and my party joins everyone of you in sharing the agony and the tragedy of the people and my party extends all sympathies. But expressing sympathy alone is not enough in the given situation. Immediate relief and long-term measures not only for flood control but for control of drought are necessary and both the Central Government and the State Governments must address this issue with some sense of urgency in the context of the emerging global warming. Thank you. (Ends) (Followed by kls/3u)

KLS/3U-5.35

MS. PRAMILA BOHIDAR (ORISSA): Sir, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak. Sir, India is a land of rivers. Rivers are like our mother and lifeline of the nation. But during Monsoon flood causes destruction and devastation. The misery and suffering of people in villages increase. Agricultural land, small mud houses, or domestic animals get destroyed. To fight flood very large Dam Projects like the Hirakud Dam on the river Mahanadi and the Rengali Dam on the river Brahamani in Orissa have been constructed but there has not been any change in the flood situation. During the present monsoon season lakhs of hectares of farm land and thousands of villages in Orissa only have been affected. In the past, when N.D.A. was in power, there was a scheme to interlinking major rivers. This was considered a very good idea not only to divert floodwater but also to distribute water during summer to dry areas. It appears that there is no progress on the scheme.

Not only villages but also city like Mumbai, Koikata, Ahmnadabad, Surat including Patna, Bhagalpur, Dharbhanga and Cuttak get flooded due to bad drainage system during monsoon. So is the case of Sambalpur town in Orissa on the riverbank Mahanadi it had a good sewerage and drainage system in the past. But the main sewerage canal called Dhobijor Nala has been chocked due to lack of maintenance, and due to growth of encroachment by people. Such cases are there in many other states in the country, which are confronted with a similar situation during monsoon. It also leads to health problem. Now it is for the Govt. of state what action plan has been drawn up to check flood. Every year this House discusses flood relief and thereafter nothing much is done other than some compensation, ex gratia payment for the death due to flood. Now I draw the attention of the House to the damage and destruction caused so far due to flood in Orissa. Orissa, the disaster zone of the country, has all along been at the receiving of nature's fury. It is severely ravaged by the recurrent floods, cyclones, and droughts during the past several years when its 70% population got exposed to these extreme events. Details of disasters/damage caused, as received from the State Government are like this. The current floods situation, in June-July 2007, is a calamity of severe nature as the water levels had exceeded all the past records causing extensive damage to natural resources, physical infrastructure, and livelihood. Details of extent of damage suffered by the State during these floods are like this. The socio-economic impact is that the current floods have affected 13.32 lakh people, with loss of 32 human lives and crops in 1,20,761 hectares and with loss of livelihood to lakhs of people.

 

The State Administration has risen to the occasion and provided whatever help was possible within their means. The State Government has spent huge funds from its own resources for providing relief to the affected persons. For management of current floods, the State Government has submitted a detailed Memorandum to the Inter-Ministerial Central Team for grant of immediate relief to the State and it request for financial assistance of Rs. 306.70 crore out of NCCF, restoration of CRF allocation for 2007-08 to Rs. 319.38 crore, special allocation of Rs. 27,810 Indira Awas Yojana houses for flood victims, immediate sanction of funds and 38,600 MT food grains to start employment generation programmes.I make an earnest appeal to the Centre that for restoration and rehabilitation works, the above help may be provided to myState Orissa at the earliest. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA): The House stands adjourned till 11.00 a.m. on Friday, the 24th August, 2007.



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The House then adjourned at thirty-five minutes

past five of the clock till eleven of the clock

on Friday, the 24th August, 2007.

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