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The House re-assembled at four of the clock,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.

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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Hon. External Affairs Minister. ...(Interruptions)... Please sit down...(Interruptions).. The hon. Minister wants to say something. ...(Interruptions)... , ֯ ך ...(Interruptions).. Please sit down. ...(Interruptions)..

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE): Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, the hon. Members may recall that in the morning I shared some information about the observations made by our Ambassador, Mr. Ronen Sen, with the hon. Members of the House. I have received some further information and I would like to share with the hon. Members as we have already shared it with the hon. Members of the other House. I am just reproducing exactly the message which I have received from him. It should not be construed as a statement. "I have received several queries about a report datelined Washington DC, August 20, 2007, by Mr. Aziz Hanifa of Rediff India Abroad which quoted me extensively on the India-US Civil Nuclear Agreement.

I had an off-the-record conversation with the correspondent giving some assessments on this subject. A number of the comments were, however, either misunderstood or misquoted or quoted out of context. For instance, I did not say that the Hyde Act could not be renegotiated, but said that the bilateral agreement could not, in my view, be renegotiated. With reference to the Hyde Act, I had expressed my assessment that it would not be amended in the foreseeable future.

Some of the comments attributed to me in this off-the-record conversation were, however, made by me in my personal capacity and do not reflect the positions of the Government. I fully recognize that such personal views, even in a private conversation, should have been expressed with better judgement and due decorum. For instance, my comment about, I quote, "running around like headless chicken looking for a comment here or comment there" was a tactless observation on some of my media friends, and most certainly not with reference to any hon. Member of Parliament. It was certainly not my intention to cast aspersion on any individual or organization. However, if I have unwittingly hurt any sentiments, I offer my unqualified apologies." This is the message I have received. ....(Interruptions)..

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: What about the drama and debate he is talking about?...(Interruptions)...

SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE: Mr. Ahluwalia, just bear me out for a minute. ..(Interruptions)...

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: What is this? ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let him complete. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: What is this? ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE: Most respectfully, I would like to submit for the consideration of the hon. Members, hon. Leader of the Opposition, that let the House have some patience and as and when fuller explanations, or other information will be available to me, I will be ready to share it with the House, but for the time being, I will request, most respectfully, to allow the matter to be rested at this stage. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, the Leader of the Opposition.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, there should not be any discussion on it now.

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SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir....(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, Mr. Narayanasamy, no explanations on this. No comments will be made on this particular thing. The Leader of the Opposition has just got up and wants to say something.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: On what subject, he wants to speak.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I don't know....(Interruptions)..

AN HON. MEMBER: Who are you to ask this? (..Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, when the hon. Leader of the Opposition gets up, I can't say ...(Interruptions).. Please, Mr. Narayanasamy.. (Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: As a Member of this House, I should know on which subject the Leader of the Opposition wants to speak ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, please.. (Interruptions)..

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, would you please clarify on which subject...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I cannot clarify...(Interruptions).. You got up; you are talking. He got up; he is talking. ..(Interruptions).. And the Leader of the Opposition ...(Interruptions).. (Contd. by 1L/PB)

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SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, in the morning, he has already spoken on the subject. ..(Interruptions)... Sir, it is not the prerogative of only the B.J.P. to speak on any issue. ...(Interruptions)... We are also Members of this House. ...(Interruptions)... We have got every right to speak in this House. ...(Interruptions)... Now, let me know on what subject he is going to speak. ...(Interruptions)...

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SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: On what subject is he going to speak? ...(Interruptions)...

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ: Now he is speaking in response to the current observations. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: ...rule or without rules. ...(Interruptions)... I want to know whether there are rules in this House or not. ...(Interruptions)... On what subject is he going to speak? ...(Interruptions)... Why have you given permission to him? ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, on what subject are you speaking? ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: I want to know under what rule and on what subject he is speaking. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, please sit down. ...(Interruptions)... You see whenever the Leader of the Opposition gets up, I cannot say that he cannot speak.

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SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, we also want to say something on this. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: If you want to raise it, you raise it. I will see what can be done.

THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (SHRI JASWANT SINGH): Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I am impressed by the intervention of the Chief Whip of the ruling misalliance. I think he needs a throat lozenge. It will improve his ability to speak in the House. Sir, the House is very aggrieved. The House is very aggrieved and the House is aggrieved with good reason. This is truly a most exceptional situation that has developed that in the course of just one sitting or one day in the House, the House ought to express its dissatisfaction to the conduct and utterances, statements issued by the representative of India, of course, appointed by the Government of India, but whoever is appointed as an Ambassador, or, High Commissioner of India, represents India. In which fashion he represents, I think, Sir, the House has very good reason to feel aggrieved because there are certain allegations and charges that are demeaning to the self-respect of the Members of the House, in fact, indeed, even the conduct of Business in the House itself. If civil servants and others were to openly comment on how the House goes about its proceedings, that would be a sad day, and I have to remind the hon. the Minister of External Affairs what I said earlier this morning that I am very concerned and disturbed by the fact that for the partisan purpose, the hon. the Foreign Secretary was summoned or directed to go and brief the partners of the misalliance on current development. Sir, that is a very sad development. I do wish to repeat that officers of the Government of India serve the Republic, not any one particular Party. The officers have no brief at all, Sir, to comment on the functioning of the House or any one Member or Members of the House. This is a serious situation and I am sure, Sir, the hon. the Minister of External Affairs, with the long experience he has, will address it seriously because there is no other way to treat this whole thing. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Sir, I would also like to say something on this on behalf of my Party. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No; no other Member would be allowed. ...(Interruptions)... It is done, when there is a statement. ...(Interruptions)... You see, it is not a statement. ...(Interruptions)... It is not a statement where clarifications are sought. ...(Interruptions)... Please listen. ...(Interruptions)... No; no. ...(Interruptions)... This is not a statement on which clarification is sought. ...(Interruptions)... The hon. Minister has rightly said that he is reading the verbatim report which has been sent and he has said that as and when he receives any further information, he will inform the House. ...(Interruptions)... So, there is no point in opening a discussion. ...(Interruptions)... No; there is no point in opening a discussion. ...(Interruptions)... I just allowed the Leader of the Opposition. ...(Interruptions)... Kindly, don't disrupt the House. ...(Interruptions)... On this subject, I cannot allow any debate. ...(Interruptions)... Please bear with me. ...(Interruptions)... The House is adjourned to meet tomorrow at 11 a.m.

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The House then adjourned at nine minutes

past four of the clock till eleven of the clock

on Wednesday, the 22nd August, 2007.

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