PREVIOUS HOUR

AKG-KS/2N/2.00

.. ֯ (֟) : ֌ ֮ calibre , 60 ֻ ӕ׮ֵ ֮, ֌ ֮, ֓ ֛-֛ ֤ ָ ֋, ָ, ֛-֛ ָ ָ ׸ׯϕ֮ ׻֋ Ùߙ֮ ׸֟Ԯ և ָ ֈ ׻֋ ו ָ ꆸ ֈ 18 ָ , ָ ֯ ־֮֬ և, ֲ ִ֮֬ օ ֮֯ פ, ִָ ֕ , ֮ ֯ oppose , we were talking about the caste system. We appreciate your feelings. ûִ Ù Ù It is a religion. ׻֋ ׸־֮ ֟ I do not want to touch upon that. ֻ , ָ ׸־֮ ָ ֻ , proposal ֵ ֵ , support ֯ ֮־֤ ֮ ִ֯ (ִ֯)

THE VICE CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Thank you Shanappa Ji. Now, Shri Gandhi Azad. Please stick to the time. You have five minutes.

Ӭ ֤֕ (ָ Ϥ) : , ֤ ֲ ֲ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ ֟ ֵ֤ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֤ ֲ . ֲ ד֟ ן ֮ , ִֵ ֟ ׳ֿ֯ ״׻֟ ꅠ ֲ . ָ׮ֵ ֮ ֤ ֮֮ ֱ , ֕ ָ֮ ״ֻ ָ Ϥ ד֟ ן ֮֮ ׻֋ ־ ֕ ָ ןֵ ד֟ ן ֮֮ ׻֋ ־ ׾֬ ֵ ֵ , Ϥ ֵ ִו, ٣ ׯ֮֔ ָ֬ ָ ד֟ ן ״ֻ ֋, ׾֪֮ ן ִ֮ ׸׸ ִֵ ״׻֟ ֋ ֣ ׾֪֮ ׾™ ӟָ ִ֮ ׮ֲԮ֮ ׬ָׯ֟ , ׾֬ ֵ ֵօ ָ ָ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֮ ד֮ ߅ ֮֮ߵ ָ , ד֮ ָ Ϥ ֳָ֕ ד֟ ן ״ֻ ֋ ֣ ׿ִ ֻ , ִֵ ד֟ ן ״׻֟ ֋ ֤ ִ֬ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ ֟ ֕ ן־֤ ֵ ָ ׻ֵ ֲ - ד֟ ן ״׻֟ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׾֬ ֋ ָ ןֵ ד֟ ן ״׻֟ פ ֋, ן־֤ ֵ ִ֯ ֋ ־ ָ ֮ ֟ ׻֋ ... (־֮֬) ... ָ ןֵ ד֟ ן ״ֻ ן־֤ ֱֵ , ׻֋ ־ , ӡ ׮־ ׾֬ ֮ ָ ׾ָ֓ ִ (2 ָ ֿ:)

SCH/TDB/2O/2.05

Ӭ ֤֕ (֟): ֕ ֤֕ ֚ ֻ ֋ ֕ ָ ד֟ ן ֮֕ן ָ ֯ , ֣ ָ֟ ׻֋ ֤֮ ָ , ָָ ֳ ׾ֳ ֕ ָ , ֳ Ϥ ֳ Ϥ ֲ ֛ Ϥ ֵ, ָ ֵ־֟ ֤ ִ֬ ֬և 2002 ֮ ֻ ׾ֿ ׳ֵ֮ ֻ ִ օ ָ ָ ֟ ָָ ֮ ִֵ ׾ֿ ׳ֵ֮ ֻ ֓- ,

֮֮ ֲ ߵ֟ ֱ , ֲ ׮ִֵ ֮ ו֮֟ ܟ ܟ ֮ פ ֋, ׸ֻ֮ ך ִ օ ׮־ ד֟ ן ד֟ ֮֕ן ׻֋ ָָ ׬׮ִֵ 1989 ֮, ׸ֻ֮ וִָ Ϥ ָָ ָ ֻ ևԅ ׾ ֣ ֯ ֮֟ ߵ֟ ֲָ ָ ֕ Ϥ ׬׮ִֵ ָ ֵ

: ֮ ָ ֵ־֟ ֬և , ֲ-ֲ Ϥ ֢ ӳֻ֟ , ֲ-ֲ ׬׮ִֵ ֟ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ (. .. ׸֮): ֯ ִֵ ִ֯ ֵ Now, please conclude.

Ӭ ֤֕: ֮֮ߵ ִ֮ Ӥ ֟ ֟ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ֕ ו ֤ , ָ , ׻ ָ ־ֻ ׾֮֬ ׸֤ ָ , ׿ ָ ֵ֯׻ ָ ֮֮ߵ þ֟ , ָ ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ֺ ֛ ӿ֮ ׾֬ ֵ ׻ ׾֮֬ ׸֤, ׾֮֬ ֳ ָ ִ ֲ ֣, ׾֬ ִ֣Ԯ (ִ֯)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now, Shri Silvius Condpan. Mr. Condpan, you have got five minutes.

SHRI SILVIUS CONDPAN (ASSAM): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, thank you very much for allowing me to speak in support of the Bill. Before I speak, I also extend my gratitude to the hon. Minister for bringing forward this Bill. Sir, my friends have already made their mind, so far as this Bill is concerned. I would like to bring to the notice of the hon. Minister that a big chunk of people who are living in Assam, who at this point of time constitute one-fourth of the total population of Assam, their original generation, the States from where they have migrated, were recognised as Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes there. Sir, some of them have gone there from Andhra Pradesh, some from Orissa, some from the present Chhattisgarh, some from the present Jharkhand and all other States. After this completion of the scheduling of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes, these chunks of people who were recognised as Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes from the inception of the Constitution have been treated as the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in their original State. (Contd. by 2p-kgg)

kgg/psv/2p/2.10

SHRI SILVIUS CONDPAN (Contd.): But, during the British regime, these people were taken away to different parts of the country, including that of Assam, to work in the tea industry and they have settled over there for the last 150 years. After the national Government came into existence, during the last sixty years, there has been a persistent demand that the Constitutional discrimination made against them, so far in Assam, should be removed. When one's own relative, one's own brother, who remains in Jharkhand is included in the list, unfortunately, when his own brother, who belongs to the same generation, goes to Assam, there, he is neither in the Scheduled Caste list, nor in the Scheduled Tribes list, nor in the backward classes list, without any provision. So, there was a persistent demand. I do not want to make my speech a very long one, but I am here to make a case for the people who are living in Assam, who genuinely belong to the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes.

As a matter of fact, as a recognition of the demand, the State Government has, as many as four times, recommended the list of these communities to the Government of India, but I am surprised to see today that only a few communities have been included. Under what basis did our hon. Minister do this? I am grateful to her for bringing in this Bill. But I would like to know as to how this Bill came into being in this piece-meal way. I have a great dissatisfaction and disappointment. I would like to make my appeal to the hon. Minister that instead of coming in a piece-meal way, only a few communities to be considered, as many of our learned Members have made their submission, there should be a comprehensive Bill for those who are left out; not newly put into SCs/STs, but they are SCs/STs right from the days of the inception of the Constitution; as the hon. Member, Shri Gandhi Azad has mentioned, we had a lot of problems in preparing the list of communities under the SCs/STs at that time and these people have already been included in their original States. Since the British regime wanted them to go as bonded labourers to work in the tea industry, they had gone there in obedience of the then Government. The total population of Assam, as one force, is asking now, why does the national Government prepare a Constitution and make this kind of discrimination against the people though the State Government has recognised them? I do not know why the comprehensive list is not coming. As of today, only a few communities have been included.

I hope, the hon. Minister would kindly take up the matter very seriously and next time, when they come up with another amendment, these people also would be included in the comprehensive list of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. With these words, I conclude. Thank you. (Ends)

־ָ (ײָ) : ֳ֬ , ֕ ֤֕ 60 ָֻ ֮ ָ ׾֬ ͸ , þ֟ - ־ֻ ו֮ ֕ ֯ 滛 Ù ׻Ù ״ֻ , 60 ֻ ֮ , ָև ? ֣ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ןֵ , ܟ׻ֱ ןֵ ִ ֵ֮ 滛 Ù ׻Ù ״ֻ ֮ ֣ ־֮ ֮ ־֮ ״ֻ֟ ִֻ֮ , և Ӥ ןֵ , ִ , 滛 Ù ִ , , 滛 Ù ״ֻ ֋? ״ֻ ֋?

(2/000 ָ ֿ:)

2Q/HMS-KLS/2.15/

־ָ (֟) : ָ֓ ׸ և ָ ֛ ֓, ָ ֵ֮׸ , ִֻ֮ ׸ ויֻ ׻ֵ ָ֓ ֱ׸ ֕ ֤֮ ֮ ִו ãן, ٣ ãן ֻߴ ֻ֟ ֤ ֟ ׻֋ ִֻ֮ ׻֟ 滛 Ù Ù ״ֻ֮

, ָ֓ ןֵ ִ ֮֋ , ָ ֮֯ ִֵ פ , ׻֋ ֱ , ߮ ןֵ ִ , 滛 Ù , ûִ 滛 Ù ? ֛ ִֻ֮ ֻ ִ , ָ , ִ , ִ 滛 Ù ָ 滛 Ù ? , ן ִ יָ , ֤ ִֻ֮ , ִָ ִ֛ ߻֟ , ֟ , ֮֟ , ߟ ִֻ֮ ִ ִ , , ָ֓ ӡ ָ֓ ֤ ֯ ׾֬ , ֮֯ ֟ ָ֕֕ ? ָ֓ ֣֮ ״ ߿֮ ֟ ָ֓ և ״׮Ù և-־ָ , ֣֮ ״ ߿֮ ־ָ ߕ ֣֮ ״ ߿֮ ֮ ׸ ֯ ֻ , ֤ ָ և ֣֮ ״ ߿֮ ֕ ֲӤ ֆ ֮ , ִֻ֮ , , և ָ ֕ 滛 Ù ֱ-ֱ ֮ ֵ֟ ׾֮֬ ֵ ֕ ִ ָ ־ ֋օ ָ ֮֯ ִֻ֮ , ָ ևԵ , ֕ ָ֬ ָ ־ ֲָָ ֯ ֣֮ ״ ߿֮ ׸ ָ֕֕ ? ֤ ߱ Ù כ ֯ ָָ ֵ֮ , ױ ֯ ׾֬ ֱ׸ ״ֻ ?

, ָ 341 ֟ ִ ֵ ִ ׻ ֵ ָ 341 ו ֲ Ӳ ֵ֮, ִ ֕ ֣ ־ ֵ ֲ ׾֮֬ ֳ ֻ ִֵ ׻֟ Ù ״ֻ֮ ִֵ ״ֻ, 1950 ״ֻ ֵ ׻֟ ״ֻ ֋ ֤ 00 ָָ և ־- ״ֻ օ ָ ־ ָָ և, և ֛ Ù ״ֻ ײֻ present օ ײֻ pending ִֻ֮ , և ײָ ׾֮֬ ֳ ֮ 2000 ־ִן ß־ ֵ ִֻ֮ 滛 Ù ״ֻ ֮ ָ ß־ ֻ ָ Ϥ ׾֮֬ ֳ ָָ ִֻ֮ 滛 Ù ״ֻ ֮ ֕ ִ ָ ־

, ֕ ֲָ ֮ ִָ֓ ֜ ӟ ִֻ֮ ֲ֤ ә ָ ӟ message ? ָ֓ ֱ׸ ִֻ֮ ֯ ә? ֯ ָ ֻ ֟ ו֋ ֻ ֲָָ ָ߲ , ̻֕ , ָ ֯ ߓ ә? ֮ , ִֻ֮ , և

, Ӭ ֤֕ ֯ ׻֟ ִ ֻ , ִ ֯ ִֻ֮ ״ֻ, և ״ֻօ ߸ ָ ֯ ִ ִֻ֮ և ״ֻօ ֕ ߾ָ ֲ ֳ ֕ ׻֟ ָ ָ ֋, ִ ֻ ֲ complete ׻֟ ִ օ ׻֟ ִ ֻօ

(2 ָ/000 ָ ֿ:)

2R/KLG-SSS/2.20

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P. J. KURIEN): Now, please conclude.

־ָ : , ָ ֟ , ִֵ ӛָ ֲ , ֟ ֋ ֋ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ֟ և ӛָ ֙ , ٻִֵ ֟ , ٻִֵ Ӥ ûִ ׻֟ ֟, և ׻֟ ֟ , ֮֟, ֮ օ ָ Ӥ ָ ֙ ֮ ֮ ֜ , ֙ ׻֟ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ָ ֮ ֕ ֲ , ֮ օ ֵ֤ ֵ , ߵ֟ ָ Ӥ , ֲ ֮֮ߵ ָ , ו֮ ִֵ ָָ , ֟ , ٻִֵ ײֻ , ָ ֮ օ . ֕ ..(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Ali, please conclude. You are not speaking about the Bill. You are speaking about what others did not say. What is this?

־ָ : ״֮֙, ָ . ֕ ...(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P. J. KURIEN): You please conclude. If you want to criticise what others have said it is okay, but what others did not speak, why should you criticise? Please conclude.

־ָ : ָ ֟ , ֙ Ùӛ ..(־֮֬).. ֲֻ֟, ָ ٙ, ֻ֮ ٙ ֯ Ӆ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Your time is over. Please...

־ָ : ׻֋ ӡ ׾֬ ָ ߕ ûִ ׻֟, և ׻֟ ִ ״ֻ ..(־֮֬)

֮ ֻ ӛ : ָ, ־ָ . ֕ ֟ ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ֻ ֻ֮ ֙ . ֕ ֙ ָ ֙ , ֙ , ֲ Ù

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No, Mr. Mandal, you are the next speaker. ӛ , ֯ և ״ֻ ..(־֮֬) ....

֮ ֻ ӛ : ָ, ֮ ֙ ֟ ..(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I will call your name. Your name is here. I will call you next. Please... (Interruptions)

֮ ֻ ӛ : . ֕ , և ׻֟ ׸֟Ԯ , ִֻ֮ ׸־֮ ..(־֮֬) ... ִ֣Ԯ , ֻ ־ָ ִ֣Ԯ ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ׾ָ ..(־֮֬)

־ָ : ָ, ״֮֙ ֮ ֟ ֟ ֮ ֻ ӛ ... ֟ , ֮ ֮֟ և ֟ ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ו֋ ..(־֮֬) ָ ߟ߿ ָ ٻִֵ օ ..(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now, please conclude, Mr. Ali. I gave you five minutes. It is over. Your five minutes are over. (Interruptions)

־ָ : ָ ߟ߿ ָ ٻִֵ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ׻֟ ևԵ ֟ ֵ ָ ֙ ן ָ ׾ָ , ֻ ֟ ֯ ִ֣Ԯ ..(־֮֬).. ֯֠ * ֯ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P. J. KURIEN): Mr. Mandal, please take your seat. Please take your seat, Mr. Ali. This is not a place for slogans...(Interruptions)... Please take your seat. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Ali Anwar, please conclude. (Interruptions) Please take your seat. Now, Mr. Mandal...

־ָ : , օ (ִ֯)

֮ ֻ ӛ : ָ, * , ֵԾ ׮ֻ ֮ ..(־֮֬) ָ, * ֠ * ֲ ֯ ֵԾ ׮׻֋, , * ֙ , ָ ֮ ֟ օ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Mandal, I will go through the records. If there is anything unparliamentary, it will be expunged. Okay. Do you want to speak, Mr. Mandal?

֮ ֻ ӛ: ָ, ֤ߵ ֲ ֵԾ ׮ֻ ֮

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay. Now, Mr. Tapan Kumar Sen.

SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (WEST BENGAL): Sir, I stand to support the Bill. I will just draw your attention to certain basic points. I support the Bill, but, at the same time, I plead that one should not plead to conflicting position together. This is for the empowerment of the Dalits.

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.


But, at the same time, your economic policy, your philosophy of governance is moving in the opposite direction and that is why even after 60 years of independence and the reservation provision, the quota is not yet fulfilled in all the Government jobs. (Contd. by NBR/2S)

-SSS/NBR-AKA/2S/2.25.

SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (CONTD.): At the same time, now, you are pleading for privatisation which is taking away further the right for reservation for these dalit communities. Every day, the number is going down. On the other hand, you talk about reservation in the private sector. But, you are allowing them and you are soft-peddling on them by saying that it should be voluntary. You are telling the land to eat the grass. I think, this contradictory position should be stopped and the kind of distributive perversion that has been generated in the economy, because of the economic policy regime you are following, where 80 per cent of 40 crore unorganised sector workers, majority of them are from SC/ST communities, are living with below Rs. 20 a day! This is as per the Report of the Commission appointed by your own Government. I think, you need to ponder over this issue seriously, if you are serious about empowerment of the most downtrodden sections of the society. While supporting this Bill, I urge upon the Government also to ponder over this contradictory thing they are indulging in. Thank you. (Ends)

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ (ӕֲ) : ֮ ֟ 5 ״֮֙ ִ֯ , ִ-

ֳ֬ , ׾֮֬ (ד֟ ן) ֤ (ӿ֮) ׾֬, 2007 ֮ ׻֋ ֛ ֓ ։ , ֮ ֣ ֤ ֳָ , ו֮ ֛ ׾ֻֿ ִ֣Ԯ օ ָ, ֟ ָ Ӥ ִ֕ ָ , ָ ָ ן־֤ ֟

ֳ֬ , Ù , ׸, , ֬ Ϥ, , ӕֲ ֜, ןֵ, ד֟ ן , ߔ և ֮ ׸ ָ ָָ ןֵ ֋ ֕ ׾֬, ֤ ײ ײֻ ֋ , ו ִ֣Ԯ ֳ ֮֕ן ֤ ֣ ִõ ד֟ ן , ׻֟ ûִ ִõ , ׻֟ և , ִõ ִõ ָ ָָ ֮ ִõ ֋, ׻֋ ֲ ֛ ֟ ׿ ֕ ׿ ֮ և , ִ ָ߲ ד֟ ן , פ ׮ֵ֤ ׿ ״ֻ ֋ ֜ ֋ ֳ ֯ ֋օ ֕ ևָ ׿ ֟ և ֕ ֓ ׿ , ד֟ ן ֳ ֯ ('2t/nb' ָ ָ)

-AKA-NB/USY/2T/2.30

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ (֟) : ֲ ד֟ ן , ִרֻ ֋ , ֮ ֯ ָ , ֲ ߔ ֋ - ֮ ֻ , Ӥ ֱ ֻ , ֻ , ִ֛ ָ ֻ , ֓ ֳ ֯ ֋օ ֟ ָ ֮ voluntarily ֮ ׬ָ ִ֕ ן ִٯ֟ , ָ ֓ ߔ ֋ , ֕ 60 ֻ ָ ֤֕ ֋ ֕ ߔ , ߔ ד֟ ן ֕ ֵ ִרֻ , ֮ ׸ ִרֻ ָ߲ , ָ߲ ֓ ևԴָ ׿ ֟-֟ ֟ ֋? ֜ ֋ ִ֮֬ ׮ ֋օ ׻֋ ֯ ָ ִ֕ ד֟ ן ֮֜ ׾֮֟ ֮ ֯ ִٯ֟ ָ߲, ד֟ ן ֓ adopt ׿ פ֋ ִ֕ ߔ ֋ , ֲ ֣, ײֻ ִ֣Ԯ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

(ײָ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ֟ ָ ֯ ֮ פ֮ , ֕ ôָ ֵ ײָ, ֻ , ߮ ״ֻ ֕ օ 1912 ֻ , 1936 ֵօ ׾֛֮ ױָ ׮֙ , ֻ scheduled castes , scheduled castes , why not in Bihar? ײָ ? ֮ ֟ ָ ֮ ָ ֟ ײָ ָָ ָ-ָ ӟ ׯ֔ ִ֕ ׻Ù recommendation ֣ scheduled castes ״ֻ ֮ ֮֮ߵ ӡ , file և ? , ױ ־ֲ ֵ , ֕ ӲӬ ֈ ָ ֓ ԅ ׻֋ ׯ֔ ן ׯ֔ ָ ֣ ֵ ׻֋ ӡ ײֻ ִ֣Ԯ , ֟ ֣ ִ֣Ԯ recommendation ײָ ֵ , ֲ ֻ fishermen scheduled castes , Why not in Bihar? ֮ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI (MAHARASHTRA); Sir, the Bill is not about providing any special additional advantages to any part of the Scheduled Castes. The Bill is about correcting the list of those who fall into the list of the Scheduled Castes. The debate so far has kept itself away from this main subject. That is why, I asked for the floor. I have some doubts, and, I think, the hon. Minister will do well to give explanations to these points. Number one, this is an amendment to the Order. This is not a Constitutional Order. The way it has been worded and the way it has been printed, there is some kind of a misconception even amongst those who took part in the debate that this is possibly a constitutional amendment. (Contd. by 2u -- VP)

-USY/VP/VNK/2.35/2U

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI (CONTD.): This is not a Constitutional amendment. It is merely an amendment to an order, and the work could have been easily done by another order rather than by presenting a Bill. Why was it considered necessary to have a Bill on the subject when there is no Bill on reservation itself? The whole reservation continues on the basis of Government notification. Under the empowering provisions of the Constitution when the reservation and other advantages are provided without a Bill, why was it considered necessary to have a Bill to amend the order?

The third point is this. And, this appears by way of clarification. I do not think there are many castes which have been newly added. In most cases, it is a matter of linguistic or regional variations for the names of the same caste. I am not quite aware of the situation in Haryana and Punjab. But, in Maharashtra, for example, Chamaar, Chamaara, Chamaar-Ravidas, Chamaar-Rohidas etc. these are all regional variations. No particular new caste is being added. If that is so, the question that arises is this. When the reservation and other advantages were provided, did we really know to whom these advantages were addressed? This is a question that the Supreme Court has also recently asked. Do you know, who are the people, who are supposed to benefit out of the social welfare measures that you are trying to take?

The last point is this. Fifty years after the reservations, or, in fact, now 57 years after the original order, this amendment has been brought. And, this has been brought 2 1/2 years before the entire question of reservations is to come on the anvil to find out if that extension should be given. Those people who talked of Dr. Baba Saheb Ambedkar forget that according to his recommendation, the reservation should have got over way back ten years after the introduction of the provision. We have stretched it to 60 years, and now we are supposed to review it every ten years. And new things are happening. I must join the BSP people, even though I do not belong to BSP, about the very courageous action that is being taken by Miss Mayawati now. She has come out very clean and is offering an entirely different formula for the reservations; 10 per cent for the Scheduled Castes, 10 per cent for the OBCs and 10 per cent on the basis of economically disadvantaged people. New experiments are being done, and you are still thinking of tinkering with the old arrangements which have failed in any case. Now, I would like the Minister to given an explanation on these three things. Why are you proposing a Bill at all when simply an order could have done the work? Does it relate to linguistic differences or is there a substantial difference? And, why are you doing it just 2 1/2 years before the whole question is to be revisited? (Ends)

ִו ֵ ׬׸ ӡ (ߴ֟ ߸ ָ) : , 18 ִ׮֟ ֤õ ֕ ӟ ֯ כ ׻ֵ ֲ פ , ־֮ , ׻ ߛ ֣ ִ ׻ֵ ֮ ֳ ֟ ֳ , ֳ ӟ ִ׮֟ ֤õ ֮-֮ ׾ָ֓ ֻ ײֻ Ӳ׬֟ ׾ֵ ӟ ״֟ ֲ ד֟ ן Ӳ׬֟ ײֻ ֟ ־֮־ֿ ֮ ָ ׻֋...

(2W/MP ֿ:)

 

MP/2W/2.40

ߴ֟ ߸ ָ (֟) : ...פ Ӥ , ָ ׻֋ ד֟ ן Ӳ׬֟ ו֮֟ , ו֮֟ ִõ֋ , ֲ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֟ ֲ ׾ָ֓ , ֲ ־ ׻ ָ ӡֵֻ ׾ָ֓ ־ ָ ֵ ו֮ ָ ֵ , ָ , ֮

ֲ , ֲ ןִ ֌ , ׮ָ ֯ ײֻ ֋ ? ֲ ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ׻֋ , ֮ ־ֿ ? ֮֟ ֲ ׾֮֬ ָ ־֮֬ ֵ, ֮, ד֟ ן ד֟ ֮֕ן Ӳ׬֟ 1950 דֵ ׾֮֬ ״׻֟ ևՅ 1950 ד֟ ןֵ, ד֟ ן ״׻֟ , ܵ ֡ 607 ߅ ָֻ֮ , ִֵ-ִֵ ָ 1950 ֳ ד֟ ןֵ ״׻֟ ֵ , ׻֋ ׾׳֮ ӟߵ ָָ ß־ ֟ ןֵ , ֮֕ןֵ ׾֮֬ ״׻֟ ׻ֵ ֋ ֕ ׾֮֬ ד֟ ן , 607 ֜ 1206 և ןֵ ִ ״׻֟ և ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ײֻ , ׾֮֬ ״׻֟ ֤־ , ׻֋ ׻֋ ֮ ך י ׻֋ ך י ָ , ד֟ ן ï鿵֟, ٣ ךև, ִו ׾֫, , ״ֻ ךև , ִ ״ֻ ֋ ׻֋ ׾֮֬ ׮ִԟֆ ך י ֵ֮օ ױ ֮ ך י ֵ֮ ß־ , ִ ã֮

(2 X/SC ָ ֿ:)


-MP-PK/SC-PB/2.45/2X

ߴ֟ ߸ ָ (֟) : ׻֋ ֟ , ֿ ִ ֟ , ֳ 607 ֜ ܵ 1206 ֿ ֮֯ ֌ , ׮ָ פ

֮֕ן ָ ִֵ ֻ ӡֵֻ ד֟ ֮֕ן ӲӬ ֵԾ ֟ , ׮ ӡ , ӡֵֻ , ׻֋ ֮ ד֟ ן ״֟ ߅ , ܟ ֮ ֮ ד֟ ן ׻֋ פ ֵ ָ Ӥ ָ ָ ֟ ׾ֵ ֕ ָ ִ֕ ן-ן , ֕ ָ ִ֕ ï鿵֟ , ֕ ָ ִ֕ ־ ֻ ֲ ֤ ָߵ ִ֕ ׾֛֮ ֻ֓ ן ־ã ֻ ֤ - פ-ָ-פ ̲֕ ׾ֵ ֮ ןֵ ןֵ ׻֋ ָ ֮ , ָ , י֨ ֮ ןֵ ןֵ ֟ ֻ , ׮ֵ֤ פ ָ ו ן ן ֮ ֣ ׻֋ ״֙ ֻ , ß֮ ן ן ֟ ָ ֕ Ԥ ßָ ָ ִ֕ ß׾ , ִ߮ ׻ֵ֟ , ֔ ֕ ә ׻֋ ֲ ״֛--߻ ֮֮ ָ ׻֟ ֮֟ ֓ ֵֻ ֟ , ָ ֵ ߜ ֵֻ ֟ ֣ ֆ ֤ ָ ? ֕ ָ ܟ ֮ - ï鿵֟ ׾ָ ֮ - 1955 ֮ 1976 ו ױ ִ ߆ָ ֵօ ָ ֮ 1979 ֮ , - ָ֓ ׾ָ ֮օ ִ֕ ֻ, ֻ, ִ ֮֮ ֻ ߓ ֮õ ־ ָ ָև ָ ָ ֛ ֋ ֮ ֯ contaminated, ֮ ֯ ֯, ֮ ֯ Ӥ ֟

(2և-ߋ ָ ֟)

MCM-SKC/2Y/2-50

ߴ֟ ߸ ָ (֟) : ִ֕ ֻ֮ ֕ ֲ ֟ 00ָ0 ֔֟ ֱֻ ٸ׻־ ֮ ֕ ӡֵֻ ӿ׬֟ ָָ ֵ֮ ֋, ָ ֵ ֻ ָ ֵ ֻ ֮ ָ ֺ ߅ ׾ֵ ׾ֵ ו֮ ֣ ֔ ֟ ֡ ֔ ֱ ٣ ֕ ֮֟ , ִו ֕ ֮֟ , ֟ ׾ ֓ , ֟ ֡֠ ֔, ïµ֟֠ ָ֮ ו ָ ֔ ָ֟ ״֟ ָ ָ֓ ׾ֵ ֕ ֓ ֮ ٸ׻־ ֋ , ָ , ָ ִ֕ ֺ , ִ֕ ֜ ֵ ֓ ֟ , ֕ ָ ӡֵֻ ָ ׬ָ ֮ ֤ ܟ ֮֋, ־ ָ ֲ , ָ֓ ָ ֲ ֮ ֳ ִ׮֟ ֤ ֡ ׻ ד֟ ïµ֟ ָ֓ ׾ָ ָ פ ֳ ܵ סֵ ֡ ׻ פ 㴲և և , ßָߵ ״ן ֚ ïµ֟ ָ֓ ָ ׮ָ֮ , ָ federal structure ֮ ֮֟ ֵԮֵ֮ ֕ ָָ ָ , ؓ֟ ֮ ָ ָ֓ ֙֋ , ֔ ֙֋ conviction , ָ conviction ., ߮ ָ conviction , 96 ָ acquittal ֟ ֲ ֛ , , , ֮֕ וִָ օ וִָ ָ ֟ , ֕ ״ֻ֟ , conviction , ֲ ֟ ָ֬ ִ֕ ֲ ׮ֻ֓ ֲ ָ ו֮ ֣ ֕ ß֮ ִ֕ ground reality ֟ ־ ״ֻ , ׾֛ ׾֛ ׻֋ , ־ ׻֋ , ָ ִ֠ ׻֋ ו֮ ֮ ָ ָ , ׻֋ ִ Ӿ , ֮ ߮ , ֛ ִ֕ ף ־ã ground reality ָ ֮ award , civil society , Ɵ 000 , ֆ ָ ִ ïµ֟ ֱֻ attitudinal change. You cannot legislate on attitudes, ֮ ָ ֯ ֮ ֮ ꅠ (2Z ָ ֿ:)

HK-GS/2Z/2.55

ߴ֟ ߸ ָ (֟) : ֮ ֮ ߴ֋ ֮ ֮ פ ֤ ֮ ׻֋ ֕߆ ִ , פ ֤֮ ִ , ֤֮ ִ , ֛

(MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.)

ֲ ָ֓ , 㻴 ֔ , ׾ֹ ִ , ֯ ֟ ֵ ãן ו ו օ ו ֵ, ָ ϣ , ֛ ֟ ϣ - ֣ ֮ , Ӥ ֮ ָ ָ ߅ ֟ ϣ 2009 ֓ ֮ ߛ ֵ ϣ ִ֯ ϣ , Ծ֟ ָ֓ ִ , ו ָ ִ

ָ 0 ֬ӟ , "Merit needs to be redefined." ֟ , ד֟ ן ָ ָ ֻ ֟ They are accused. All the time, they are accused. You forget that these are the craftsmen whose craft is admired all over the world. These are the people who work with their hands. ֕ ײ ׿ , ֮ ׿ , ֮ ֤֯ ׸ , ݵ֟ ֤֯ ָ ָ ד֟ ן ֻ, ו֮ ֣ ָ ו ָָ , ל ֮ ӕ , ֮ , ֲ ִ ֟ ׸ , , Ӿ ײ ׿ 0 ֬ӟ , ֵ֤ ֻ ֵ ֮ ִֻ ֮ ևԾ  ֟ ֵ , ֟ ֻ ֲ ֮ ֟ ֵ, ֯ ֵ֜ ׸ ָ 00 ֟ , ֲ ֤ ֮ ֤ ֟ ֯ ֜և, Long sermon I receive. ֮ ֜ ִ׮֟ ֤õ - ߕ , ל-ל Ùߙ , Institute of Excellence ֮ , ™ ׿ ã֮ ֮ , ֛-֛ , ִ֮֬ ? ד֟ ן ֓ ֜ ! ָ ֜, ֵ ֤֯ consumeristic ׮ ֵ , ָ ֵ ָ , ֳꌟ־֤ ֵ ן ֮֯ , ִ ל ֮ ֻ ֵ ֤֯ ׸ , ݵ֟ ֵ֮ , ִ ָ ד֟ ן ןֵ ױ ? ֮ ߴ ֵ , ִ ֮ , , ֮ ֛ , ֿ֟ ״ֿ֮ ״ֿ֮ , ֕ ã ֛߅ (3 ָ ָ)

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