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-SSS/NBR-AKA/1Q/2.00.

The House re-assembled at two of the clock,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair

 

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SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN: Sir, I was given permission by the hon. Chairman to raise an issue. But,...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, Zero Hour is over...(Interruptions)...Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev to make a statement...(Interruptions)...

STATEMENT RE. STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF ONE

HUNDRED SEVENTY-EIGHTH, ONE HUNDRED EIGHTIETH AND ONE HUNDRED NINETIETH REPORTS OF THE DEPARTMENT-

RELATED PARLIAMENTARY STANDING COMMITTEE ON INDUSTRY

 

THE MINITER OF HEAVY INDUSTRIES AND PUBLIC ENTERPRISES (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): Sir, I lay this statement on the status of implementation of recommendations contained in the One Hundred Seventy-eighth, One Hundred Eightieth and One Hundred Ninetieth Reports of the Department-related Parliamentary Standing Committee on Industry. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: This is not Zero Hour, Mr. Malaisamy ...(Interruptions)...The House cannot, indefinitely, take up Zero Hour...(Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, in the morning also they disturbed the House...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, I will handle it ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN: Sir, I will only speak for three minutes ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, let us take up introduction of Bills. First, Mr. Baalu.

BILLS INTRODUCED

THE MOTOR VEHICLES (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2007

THE MINISTER OF SHIPPING, ROAD TRANSPORT AND HIGHWAYS (SHRI T.R. BAALU): Sir, I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Motor Vehicles Act, 1988.

The question was put and the motion was adopted

...(Interruptions)...

SHRI T.R. BAALU: Sir, I introduce the Bill.

(Ends)

THE GRAM NYAYALAYAS BILL, 2007

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): Sir, I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill to provide for the establishment of Gram Nyayalayas for the purposes of providing access to justice, both civil and criminal, to the citizens at the grass-roots level and to ensure that opportunities for securing justice are not denied to any citizen by reason of social, economic or other disabilities and for matters connected therewith and incidental thereto.

The question was put and the motion was adopted

...(Interruptions)...

SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ: Sir, I introduce the Bill.

(Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanan, you raise it tomorrow.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, let us take up the Legislative Business ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let us take up the Mizoram University Bill, 2007. Smt. Purandeswari...(Interruptions)...I cannot give any assurance ...(Interruptions)...I will discuss it with the hon. Chairman...(Interruptions)... What has been discussed in the Chamber should not be divulged on the floor of the House...(Interruptions)...Mr. Malaisamy, now, it is not Zero Hour...(Interruptions)...We have to take up Legislative Business ...(Interruptions)...If you have anything to say, you can meet the hon. Chairman or tomorrow morning we can take it up...(Interruptions)...I had given you the permission, but the House was disturbed for which I am not responsible...(Interruptions)...

SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN: Sir, I have got permission from the hon. Chairman...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let us do some Legislative Business ...(Interruptions)...Now, it is time for some Legislative Business ...(Interruptions)...Hon. Chairman has permitted you in the morning...(Interruptions)...

SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN: Sir, I will not take more than three minutes ...(Interruptions)...I will take only three minutes...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: He started speaking in the morning. But, there was disturbance and then the House was adjourned ...(Interruptions)...That matter cannot be taken up again, because there is no rule that once matter is...(Interruptions)...If you ask me, I will give a ruling on that...(Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, ask them to go back to their seats ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI T.R. BAALU: Sir, why are you allowing them to enter the Well of the House?...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will tackle, Mr. Baalu...(Interruptions)...

SHRI R. SHUNMUGASUNDARAM: Sir, what is this?...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will tackle the situation, Mr. Baalu ...(Interruptions)...Mr. Prem Chand Gupta to make a statement ...(Interruptions)...


STATEMENT RE. STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF FORTIETH REPORT OF THE DEPARTMENT-RELATED PARLIAMENTARY STANDING COMMITTEE ON FINANCE

 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI PREM CHAND GUPTA): Sir, I lay this statement on the status of implementation of recommendations contained in the fortieth Report of the Department-related Parliamentary Standing Committee on Finance.

(Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Don't quarrel. We have to run the House ...(Interruptions)...Now, let us take up the Mizoram University Bill. Smt. Purandeswari...(Interruptions)...

THE MIZORAM UNIVERSITY (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2007

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SMT. D. PURANDESWARI): Sir, I beg to move:

That the Bill to amend the Mizoram University Act, 2000, be

taken into consideration.

 

The question was proposed

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please go back to your seats. Please go back to your seats...(Interruptions)...If both of you quarrel, what can I do?...(Interruptions)...Please go back to your seats...(Interruptions)...

(CONTD. BY VP "1R")

-NBR/VP/2.05/1R

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please, please, ...(Interruptions).. No; no. ..(Interruptions).. He will also be controlled and you will also be controlled. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Baalu, you please sit down. ...(Interruptions)... No; no. ...(Interruptions)... You please sit down. ...(Interruptions)... I will manage it. ...(Interruptions)... You both please go back. ...(Interruptions)...

THE MINISTER OF SHIPPING, ROAD TRANSPORT & HIGHWAYS (SHRI T.R. BAALU) : Sir, they are creating a lot of disturbance. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Malaisamy, please go back. ...(Interruptions)... I will not allow you. ...(Interruptions)... You take it up with the Chairman. ...(Interruptions)... You please go back. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Malaisamy, please go back. ...(Interruptions)... I will not adjourn the House. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Baalu, please keep quiet. You are a Minister; you please keep quiet. ...(Interruptions)... Now, Mr. Shri Silvius Condpan. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Sharma. ...(Interruptions)... Mrs. Sushma Swaraj.

SHRI R. SHUNMUGASUNDARAM: Sir, they should be suspended from the House. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please go back. ...(Interruptions)... I told them to raise it tomorrow. ...(Interruptions)...You can raise it tomorrow. ...(Interruptions)... Please go back. ...(Interruptions)... You can raise it tomorrow. ...(Interruptions)... I told you that you can raise it tomorrow. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Malaisamy, you can raise it tomorrow. ...(Interruptions)... Please go back. ...(Interruptions)... You can raise it tomorrow. ...(Interruptions)... You raise it in the morning meeting. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN: Sir, are you allowing us? ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No; no. ...(Interruptions)... Mrs. Sushma Swaraj. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Perumal, please go back. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Malaisamy, no discussion here. ...(Interruptions)... Please go back to your seats. ...(Interruptions)... No discussion here, please go back. ...(Interruptions)... What is this? ...(Interruptions)... This is too much. ...(Interruptions)... You please go back. ...(Interruptions)... Please go back. ...(Interruptions)... You also help us to maintain order. ...(Interruptions)... Nothing will go on record. ...(Interruptions)... Please go back. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Perumal, please go back. ...(Interruptions)... No; no. ...(Interruptions)... Please go back. ...(Interruptions)... I told you that you can raise it tomorrow. ...(Interruptions)... You can raise it there in the Chamber. ...(Interruptions)... Please go back. ...(Interruptions)... You first go and sit in your seats. ...(Interruptions)... You please go back. ...(Interruptions)... I am not going to give an assurance. ...(Interruptions)... It is the Chairman who will give the assurance, not I. ...(Interruptions)... It is he who has to admit it. ...(Interruptions)... Your notice is with the Chairman. It is under his consideration. ...(Interruptions)... You give a fresh notice and that will be considered. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Malaisamy, I will not allow you. ...(Interruptions)... It is not a Zero Hour. It will be a bad precedent. ...(Interruptions)... It will not be allowed. ...(Interruptions)...

(Followed by PB/1S)

PB/1S/2.10

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN (CONTD.): No; no; it will not be given now because this is not Zero Hour. It is not Zero Hour. ...(Interruptions)... No; no. ...(Interruptions)... Mrs. Sushma Swaraj. ...(Interruptions)... Please. ...(Interruptions)... Mrs. Sushma Swaraj, please speak. ...(Interruptions)... That will be recorded. ...(Interruptions)... It will be recorded. ...(Interruptions)... No; no; you do whatever you want. You do whatever you want to do. ...(Interruptions)... Please speak. ...(Interruptions)... You had agreed but now you are going back on your words. ...(Interruptions)... I will not allow it. ...(Interruptions)... You agreed but now you are going back on your words. ...(Interruptions)... It is left to you. It is left to you. ...(Interruptions)... We have to pass the Bill. ...(Interruptions)... The House is adjourned for half-an-hour. ...(Interruptions)...

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The House then adjourned at twelve minutes

past two of the clock.

1t/2.40/skc

The House re-assembled at

forty-minutes past two of the clock,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.

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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shrimati Sushma Swaraj.

SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN: Sir, please allow me to raise the issue. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no.

SHRI S.P.M. SYED KHAN: Sir, please allow us two minutes. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You have sufficiently done that. Please, go back. (Interruptions) Please, don't do this. This is too much. (Interruptions) Please, don't do this. This is too much. (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYARANJAN DASMUNSI: This is not the way. You cannot take the House for a ride. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. You are holding the House to ransom. (Interruptions) Please, go back. (Interruptions) This will not be allowed. This precedent will not be allowed. (Interruptions) This is not Zero Hour. You cannot disturb the House during legislative business. (Interruptions) You will not be allowed. You may do whatever you want to; it will not be allowed. (Interruptions) No, this is not serious..(Interruptions)... Legislative business is to be taken more seriously than this. (Interruptions) It will not be allowed. (Interruptions) It will not be allowed. (Interruptions)

SHRI VIJAY J. DARDA: What is happening? (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shrimati Sushma Swaraj. (Interruptions) It will not be allowed. (Interruptions) It will not be allowed because this is not Zero Hour. (Interruptions) It will not be allowed. (Interruptions) You cannot continue the Zero Hour indefinitely. (Interruptions) Don't continue the Zero Hour indefinitely. (Interruptions) No, no. It will not be allowed. (Interruptions) Even one minute won't be allowed because this is not Zero Hour. (Interruptions) Don't question. (Interruptions) There is no Zero Hour. (Interruptions) With full authority, I am saying that it will not be allowed. (Interruptions) This will not be allowed. (Interruptions) No, that Zero Hour is over. (Interruptions)

SHRI VIJAY J. DARDA: Enough is enough. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shrimati Sushma Swaraj. (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYARANJAN DASMUNSI: You cannot...(Interruptions)... This is not some street in Chennai, this is the Parliament of India. (Interruptions)

(Followed by 1u/hk)

HK-SC/1u/2.45

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SHRI MATILAL SARKAR (WEST BENGAL): Sir, first of all, I support the Mizoram University (Amendment) Bill, 2007. Sir, ..(Interruptions).. I would like to give some of my views. The first question is that the Governor of the State should have been made the Chancellor of the University. ..(Interruptions).. But without making him the Chancellor, the post of Chief Rector has been given to him. (Contd. by 1w/KSK)

KSK/2.50/1W

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR (CONTD): It would have been better if the hon. Minister had then provided the post of Chancellor to the Governor...(Interruptions). Even then, Sir, by incorporating the provision of Chief Rector, the Government is giving an opportunity to the State Government through the Governor to get involved in the matters of the University. I thank the Government and the hon. Minister for making this provision. I this connection, I would like to highlight some of the points. The Mizoram University, the Tripura University, the University in Arunachal Pradesh, and University in Manipur - these are the Universities that have been established and developed by the respective State Governments. Mere transfer of the responsibility from the State Government to the Central Government does not serve the interests of the State Government. Though the Central Government intends to take over the University, the State Government should be given due honour because they have established the University and they have given funds for developing the University. So, the right of the State Government should be kept intact in the matter of development and other related issues of the University.

My second point is that in the last session, the Central Government decided to take over three Universities. These Universities were - Tripura University, University in Arunachal Pradesh, and the University in Sikkim. The Central Government has begun the process to take over the University in Arunachal Pradesh. But, the Government has yet to start the process of taking over the University of Tripura. Conversion of Tripura University into a Central University is getting delayed. I would like to ask the hon. Minister as to when the process will start. Then, I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Minister towards the news items appearing in the newspapers that such and such person will be appointed as the Vice-Chancellor of the University. This is an important post for the University. I urge upon the Central Government to take the State Government into confidence and some consensus should be arrived at before appointing any person as the Vice-Chancellor of the University. Sir, finally, I would like to again say that as the Central Government decides to take over any University, the process of conversion of the State University into the Central University should take place immediately because already the academic session has come to an end and the students are in a fix and the State Governments also cannot understand on what to do. With these words, I conclude. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shri Lalhming Liana...(Interruptions). Why do you shout?....(Interruptions)....What can I do if you shout?...(Interruptions). Shri Lalhming Liana. (followed by 1x - gsp)

GSP-LT-1X-2.55

SHRI LALHMING LIANA (MIZORAM): Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, the Mizoram University was established on 2nd July, 2001. ...(Interruptions)... The establishment of the University was jubilantly welcomed by the people of Mizoram as it was one of the steps taken by the Government of India in the implementation of Mizoram Accord signed between Mr. Laldenga and the Government of India in the year 1986. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, I would like to say that this was most successful accord which was signed by the Government of India. ...(Interruptions)... While speaking about the implementation of the Peace Accord, I would like to remind the Government of India that while the MNF is doing everything to implement the Peace Accord on their part, the Central Government is very slow towards implementation of the Peace Accord. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, the Mizoram University was also established after 15 years of signing of the Accord, and, Sir, I would like to remind the Government that among other things, one important thing of establishment of separate High Court for Mizoram still remains to be done on the part of the Government. I would like to remind the Government to look into this. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, the Mizoram University, being very young and in its infant stage, needs a special care, and, we hope the Central Government and the University Grants Commission will take special care to make it a Centre of Excellence in the North East. ...(Interruptions)...

Sir, I would also like to say something about the infrastructure development, which is quite inadequate. ...(Interruptions)... The buildings are also not up to the standard. Even the development of the campus, and, the hostels for boys and girls is not adequate. All these things need to be developed. ...(Interruptions)... But, anyway, what I would like to say is that this university is running 29 post-graduate and 19 under-graduate departments. And, Sir, from the next academic session starting from July, the University is planning to run 27 post-graduate departments. The Government of India has also sanctioned Rs. 76 crores during the Tenth Plan. ...(Interruptions)...

But, Sir, sanctioned funds have not yet been released. The new academic session is going to start in a very short period. ...(Interruptions)... It will be very difficult on the part of the University to get good teachers, to get good faculty members to take up the programmes. ...(Interruptions)... So, I would like to request the Government, as well as, the University Grants Commission to release the funds which are necessary for the faculties and for the establishment of two new departments, that is, the School of Management and the School of Technology and Engineering. ...(Interruptions)... Otherwise, there will be problems in starting these two new departments and it will be....(Interruptions)...

Sir, one aspect, which I would like to point out, which is very important, is the appointment of Visitor's nominee.

(Contd. by sk-1Y)

 

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