PREVIOUS HOUR

PSV-SK/2N/2.00

֮ (֟): ٻִֵ ֤õ ֟ ֲ Ͽ ֯ ױָ ִ֮ ֟ , Ͽ ֮ וִָ ָ , ݵ ֟ ֯ , ױָ ִ֬ ֮֮ߵ ֻ ֤ Ͽ ֮֯ ׬ָ ׮ֵ㌟ , ֻ , ָ , פ ָ ִ , ׻֋ ֯ ֕ ? Ͽ

֮֯ כ 800 כ ֮֜, ן׸ כ ֮, כ ָ֧ ֮ ߙ ֮, ָ߲ ֻ֮ ׸š ׸ ֆ ׻֋ ꆸ ֣ ־ã ָ օ , ֜ ֵֿ ֮ ֟ ӡ ֮ և ? ָ-ָ ׸š ׸ ֋ , ׾֬ ָ ֣ ָ ֮ ֛ ֮ ߱ ӡ ϵ , ׻֋ ֳָ

֕֙ ןִ ֟, ֯ , - þ֓ ֟օ ֮ ӡ ָ ֮֟ ־ þ֓ ־ Ù ָ þ֓ ӡ Ӥ ׻֋ "þ֓ " ֟ ֤ ֌ ӡ ֮ ӡ , ֟ ך , ֻ ־ practical , ָ™ ֛ ֲ ִ ׻ֵ ֟ ֛ ֲ þ֓ ӟ , ו֮ ֮ ֣ ָ þ֓ ߅ ֯ þ֓ -- ֛ ֲ ִ ֟ ֟ ֺ ֮, ָ

֟, ו ֛, ָ™ 㴲և ã ִ ֮֯ ׾ ֤ , ׾ ׻֋ ׾֤ ֻ ֻ , ׻ ׾ ֟ , ׻֋ ־ã ֟ ֻ , - ֯ ״ֻ ֮ ֯ և ׾ ׻֋ ֮ ֮֮ ֛,  ׻֋ ָ ӟִ֕ ֛օ ֯ ֮־֤ ֮֯ ֕֙ ֟ , ֟ ׻֋ ֯ ָ ִֵ ֮ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֟ , ֯ ִ֮ ֮ Ծ

ִ ֲ ֟ ֮֟ ו֮֟ , ֮ ֮ 㴲և ָ פ ֵ 㴲և ֟ 㴲և ֮ 㴲և ֲ-֮ ֻ 62 פ ֟ 62 Ͼ ׾֬ ־ֿ ߅ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ ֟ ָ , ֮ ־ ֟ 㴲և ֲ ֤ ֮ ֲ ֮ ֟ , ׌֛ ֳ֬ , ֯ ֵ֤ ֻ , 㴲և ֻ ׌֛ 3991 ָ ִ ָ , ו֮ , ֮ ֺ , , ֮ ֛ ܵ ֲ -ָߵ כ ָ , ӡ Ͽ ָ֮ߵ כ ֻ ߛ ׻֋ ֯ ֕֙ ֵօ (2/000 ָ ֿ:)

2O/klg/2.05

֮ (֟) : Ӳև ߛ ֋? և כ ֻ֮ ֛, և և ֻ֮ ֛, ֻ , ֯ ֮ ֻ ֮֯ Ӳև ׻֋ ӓ ָ ֋ ӟִ֕ , ָ ֮֟ ֮ և Եָ ֮ ״ֻ֮ ֻ ֺ , ֮ , Ͼ , ָ , ֮֓ ׻֋ ӟִ֕ ֺ , ݵָ ӓ־ ֮ ״ֻ, ֵ֤ , ֟ ֟ , ֕ ӟִ֕ ִ Ӳև ߛ , ? ׾ֵ ָ ֯ ֮

, ӡ ׾֮֟ Ӳև ָ֮ ֬ Ӳև ֲ ֻ , Ӳև ָ և ָ ׮ֻ֮ ֺ ֻ ָ և ָ ֵ , ֻ , ֻ օ ׾ֵ ָ ֯ ֮ և ָ ׮׻֋ ָ ֟, ֲ ֯ ֕֙ ֵ, ֕֙ Ӳև ׸ ס֟ ֕ ӡ ִ և , ס֟ , ؙ ֯ օ ִ֟ , ָ ןš ׸ , ֯ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֟, ݵ ׾ָ֓ օ ִ ֕֙ ׾֮֕ ׸ֻ ײָָ , ֕֙ ׾֮֕ פև ָ ֙ , ׾֮֕ , ֟ , ֟ ָ ֮ פ ֋ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֺ , ӡ ֵ֟ ֯ , ֯ ו֋ ִ ֯ , ָ

, ״֮֙ ֮ ֟ , ׾ֵ ֻ ִ֮ Ӳև ִ߮ ִ߮ ָ ֻ ָ߲ ֯ ֕֙, ו ָ߲ ֕֙ , ־ և-և ִ߮ ָ ֻ ָ ֟ ֯ ֮ ״ ֮֮ ֛߅ ׻֋ , ־ ֻ , ֻ? ו ֯ ֺ , ִ , ֻ ָ֮ Ӳև ر֙ Ù֮ ֛ ִ߮ ֯ , ָ ׬ -֛ ֮և , ߲ 50 ֻ ֮ , ֯ ׬ָ ֮ ׿ֿ , ֯ ״ֻ օ ֯ ֡ פ , ֯ ֡ ־ֲ , ֟ , ֻ ֤ ־ֲ , ׬׸ ֯ פ, ֮֯ פօ Ӳև ׬ ֛ , ׬ ֟ , ֻ Ù ־֮Դә ִ߮, և ִ߮ ׬ ׬ ָָ ִ߮ ָ , ־ ִ߮ ָ ? ӡ ־ֲ פ - "The Railways cannot be expected to share the responsibility of providing housing in view of the following:

Housing is a State subject."

ֻ , ־ֲ ֯ ָ ֮֯ ׻ -

"Principle of providing land free of cost to encroachers, if accepted, will act as an incentive for further encroachments on Railway land all over the country; and cost involved in R&R package of encroachers on land of entire Indian Railways will be beyond its capacity to pay."

2/ ָ

AKA-VKK/2P/2:10

֮ (֟) : ָ, 㴲և և ִ߮ , Ù ־֮Դ , ־֮Դ , ִ߮ ָ , alternative accommodation ֟ , ֤ ֵ ֟ ֻ , ֟ ָ ֯ ָ ֋ ׾֬ Ϥ֮ ֋, ֿ ֯

ָ ֟ ֮ ִ֯ օ ֟ , ֕ ׾ֵ , ֻ ֮֯ ֳ ײָ 㴲և ֋ ָ ֋ ֋ ֯ , ֋ ײָ ִ֮ ֮ ׾ֵ ֯ ָ֮ ״ֻ, ֮ Ͽ ֻ ײָ , ׻ , Ù 㴲և ֟ , ָ ״ֻ , ִ ׾ָ ֟ ֟ ֺ , ֤ ו Ù ֟ , Ù ֮ ֕ ֻ ֟ ָ Ϥ ֋, ָ Ϥ ָ™ ָ™֮ ֮ ָ™ פ ײָ ֋, ײָ ֮ ָ ־֮ , ן׸ ָ פ ־֮ ײֻ

֮ ֻ ӛ : 00 פֵ ֵ , ә ו֮ ײָ ֛ ״ֻ , Ù֮ ָ, 㴲և ָ, 00 Ù֮ ָ, 00 פֵ ֵ ' ײָ ә ֋ ' ך ߙ ֵ פֵ ֵ ײ׸ ׻֋

ָ, ֮֮ ֯ ֕ , ֓־ ֟ ™ߵ , ™ߵ ӛ ׬֟ , ׻֋ ֯ ָ™, ָ ָ , ָ Ϥ , ײָ ָ 㴲և ״ֻ ߙ ֋ ™ߵ ׬֟ ?

֮ : ֋, ֟ ֕ã֮ ..(־֮֬)..

ӕֵ ֈ : ִ ? ..(־֮֬)..

֮ ֻ ӛ : ִ ֻ֟ ֵ 㴲և ֻ֟ ֟ ֯? ֯ Ùև ?

ֳ֬ ( ӟ ֛פ) : , ֮ ו֋

֮ : ִ ֵ, Ͽ

ֳ֬ : ָ ִ ֻ֟ ֵ ֲֻ֟ ָ ָ Ϥ ִ ֯ ִ ָֻ ?

֮ : , ִ ָֻ

ֳ֬ : ָ , ֯ ֮ ד֟ ?

֮ : ִ ײָ , ָ ֵ, ֯ ֲ ֻ

ֳ֬ ( ӟ ֛פ) : ֟

֮ : ֟ , ײֻ ֮֟ ֟

֮ ֻ ӛ : ֤֕ , ֮ ֟ , ֯ ߵ֟ ֟ , ™ߵ ֟

֮ : ֮֯ ֮ ֟ , ֟ ׻֋ ֟ ߅

֮ ֻ ӛ : ..(־֮֬)..

֮ : ו֋, ֯ ֟ ִ ֋ 㴲և ֲ ־ ֻ ֤ ׻֋ ә , 150 , ײָ ׮ֵ׌ ָ Ù , օ

ֻ ֤ : ֮ ֓ ֮ , ֜-׻ ײָ ֛ , ׸ ָ ֤ ϴ֟ ߿֮ ָ ָ ֵ և̛ Ù ߟ߿ ָ ִֵ ֲ ߿֮ ֮ ָ ָ ֟ , ׾ֿ ֟ ׻֋ ֟, ָ , ָ ִ֮ , ֟ , ןš ִֵ-ִֵ ָ ֟ ֟ ָ, ֓ ָ ָ™֮ ֆ,

֮ : ֻ ߅

ֻ ֤ : ָ , ָ ײָ ֆ ׸֮ ִ֮ ו֮ ߟ

('2q/sch' ָ ָ)

SCH/MKS/2.15/2Q

ֻ ֤ (֟): , ָ ֻ֟ , ׮׿֟ ֻ֟ ׻֋ ׮ִֵ ֵ֤ , օ ֻ 㴲և ֻ ׻֋ 㴲և ִר ָ ֤֮ 㴲և ָ , ָ ٿֵֻ ֙ , ו ֤ ֳ ״ֻ ָ™֮ և ן ֮ ֱ ֣ ָ™ ֟ ֟ ָ™ ָ֚ ָ ן ֱ ֤֮ ׌ ֟ ָ ߴָ և , ֮֕ן ßָ ָ ֵ , ֕ ֮ , ָ

֮ : ֳ֬ , ֻ ֤ , ֟ , ִ֮ ־ֿ ו Ù , Ù ״ֻ֮ ...(־֮֬) ֲ-ֲ , ֻ ֻ ׸ , ִ ֳ ײָ ׻֋ ֋ ֳ Ͽ ֵ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ ( ӟ ֛פ): ֯ ֻ ֵ , ֯ ָ

֮ : ֋, ׾ָ֓ ִֵ ֤ ֮ Ù ׾ָ֓ , ִ ײֻ ֻ֟ ֟ ֯ ײָ ׾ָ֓ , ָ™ ׾ָ֓ , ִ ֻ֟ ...(־֮֬)

ִ ̴֕: ָ, ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬: ̴֕ , ֟ ו֋ ...(־֮֬) ֟ ו֋ ..(־֮֬) No interruptions, please. ֵ ...(־֮֬) ̴֕ , ו֋, ֮ ו֋ ..(־֮֬) ֮ ֟ ֟ ו֋ ..(־֮֬) ֮֯ ֮ ֟ ...(־֮֬)

֮ : ֮ ֟ ו֋ ...(־֮֬) ֯ ... (־֮֬)

ֳ֬ , ֻ ֤ ...(־֮֬) ֮ ֙ ״ ָ ָ™ ׾ֵ ָ ֤֮ օ ֮֯ ? ֮֯ ֕ ִ ׻ֵ օ ֕ ָ ײָ ָ ִ֮ , ׮ֿ ֟ ...(־֮֬)

SHRI LALU PRASAD: He is creating the problem. He is creating the problem for his own survival. ...(Interruptions)... ֯ ִ׮֟ ï ...(־֮֬)

֮ : ֳ֬ , ֟ , ֻ ֻ ״֡ , ֻ օ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ ( ӟ ֛פ): ֯ ֟ ֟ ו֋

ָ ׾ִ֮֮ ӡֵֻ ֕ ӡ ( ϱ ֙): ָ, ו ֮֮ ֯ ָ ֕ ׾ָ֓ ִ֣Ԯ , 㴲և ׸֟Ԯ ...(־֮֬)

֮ : ֱ ׿־ ׾ָ֓ , ֕ ..(־֮֬) ϱ ֙ , ֯ ֮ ׿ֿ , ֙ ߓ ֛ , ֯ ױ ֟ ו֋

ֳ֬: , ֯ ֮ ֟ ֟ ׸, ߕ̅

֮ : , ֟ ׾֮֟ ׾ֵ ָ, ו ָ ֮֯ ׾ֵ ָ ֵ, ָ ܵ ӡ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬: ֯ ֟ ֜և ..(־֮֬) ֯ ֟ ו֋ ..(־֮֬) ܵ ӡ ױ ֯ ִ ֟ ױ ָ ß֮ ֟ ..(־֮֬)

֮ : ...(־֮֬) ...(־֮֬) ֲ ָ ֟ ֟ ֟ ֤ ֻ

ֳ֬ ( ӟ ֛פ): ֤ ֻ , ֯ ֟ ֟ ׸ ־ ֲֻ֟ , ֯ ־ ֟ ו֋

֮ : ָ ָ ֟ , ֤ ֻ ...(־֮֬) ־֮Դ ? ָ ֯ ֟ , , ׾ֵ ָ ֯ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬: ֋, ...(־֮֬) ֯ ו֋, ...(־֮֬)

ֻ ֤: ֟ ו֮֟ , ֕ ָ ֕ ֟ ...(־֮֬)

֮ : ..(־֮֬)

ֻ ֤: ֯ ׮֋, ֻ , ִ Ù֮ ִ , ָ ֮ ֻև , ִ ׻ ֵ ָ֕ כ, within State ֻ֟ , ִ ߕֻ֮ ݾ ׻ ֟ , ԙ ߕֻ֮ ݾ ֛ ׻ ֟ , ꮮև ׻ ֟ ײָ ֟ , ײָ ָ - , ָ ߕֻ֮ ݾו֕ ׻֟ , ׻֟ ׻֋ ־֮ և , ֮֕ן ־ԇֻ ׻֋ ׻֋ ָ ֟ ֟ , ָ ֮ ֻ ָ֮֮ ֮ ֮ ״ֵ֕ ֮֟ ֛օ

2R/MCM ָ ָ

-MKS-TMV-MCM/2R/2.20

ֻ ֤ (֟) : ֳ ֆ ֤ , ֋ , ָ ״ֻ, ֟ ݵ ִԻ þָ ֵ , ׻֋ ׾פ Ù , , ׻֟ ֲ ָ ֕ ֟ ִ ֋, ׻֋ כ֙ ֟ ֯ ֳ ָ ִ׮֟ ï , ֮ ݵ ָ ֲ ֆ ׻ ִ ֋߅ ׻֋ ֟ ֟ þָ , ָ ֵ , ָ ֻ֑֙ ߻ִ ָ ֤ ֋ ָ ֋ ָ ֮ ֕ ܵ סֵ פ ֈ ֯ ֻ ֯ ï , ֤ , ָ ־ ֟ߕ ֵ-ֵ ֕ ߻ , ׻֋ ָ-ָ ֟ ֟ ײ֋ ֟ ֟ , ֮֕ן ָ , ֜ ׻֋ ִֻ ־֮ -׿־֕ , ׻֟ , ־֮ ׿־֕ ֤ ׿־֕ ָ ֻ ֮֜ ֟ ? ֟

ֳ֬ ( ӟ ֛פ) : ֯ ״֮֙ , 25 ״֮֙ ֋ ֯ ֟ ױ

֮ : ״֮֙ , ִ ׾ ֻ ֣ þָ ֳ֬ , ָ ֻ ֮ , ֮ ֟ ֯ ֻ֟ ֋ ֮֯ ֻ֟ ֮֯ ߅ ֯ ֕ , ו ִ - ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Shri P. J. Kurien. You have ten minutes.

ֻ ֤ : ָ, - ֮ ֮֟ ָ ֮֟ ׻֋, ֮֕ן ׻֋ ָ ָ ֱ ֟ ֮֟ ׿ֵָ ׻֋ ֲ כ - ֲ כ ֣ ӕ֮

SHRI P. J. KURIEN (KERALA): Sir, I will take only a few minutes. The railways is just a unifying factor and I find that the railways has become the cause for division. I think the discussion on the basis of Bihari or Maharashtrian or State-wise or otherwise should not have happened on the Railway Budget.

(MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.)

Sir, with regard to this Budget, I would like to say that this is one of the best Budgets that this House has ever seen. This is the Railway Minister's fourth consecutive Budget and there has been no hike in the passenger fares in all the four Budgets. I think this is a miracle. It is said that the Minister does not have any magic wand. But I find as if he has a magic wand. Otherwise, how can he achieve this without any hike in fares? The railways which is said to be a white elephant has turned around and become a profitable concern. Again, there is no passenger fare hike; there is reduction in freight charges for cement, petrol, etc.; there are 40 new trains; there is 50 per cent concession for students; there is special consideration for disabled persons and women above 45 years. Well, a very people-friendly Budget. This Budget has been appreciated by both sides. It is getting bouquets and accolades from both sides. It is very rare. I must congratulate the Railway Minister. (Interruptions).. Shri Manohar Joshi was supporting and praising the Minister. (Contd. by VK/2S)

VK/2S/2.25

PROF. P.J. KURIEN (CONTD): I think many, on the other side who are realistic, they are all supporting this. The Railway Minister deserves compliments and I congratulate him. I don't want to dwell more on that. I come to my State, Kerala. Unfortunately, Laluji left the House when I started speaking. I hope Shri Velu would convey my request to him. The first thing is that in Kerala, we are asking for a West Coast Railway Zone. We have the Palakkad Division, we have the Trivandrum Division. The Palakkad Division and the Trivandrum Division comprise areas from three States, that is, Kerala, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. So taking these two Divisions, some more portions together and the new Salem Division also, a new Railway Zone can be created with Trivandrum as its Headquarters, which is called West Coast Railway Zone. After all, a number of new zones have been created. This Government also created a new railway zone earlier also. Sir, this is a demand of the people of Kerala which is pending for long time. All Governments, whether the Left Front Government, or the UDF Government, all MPs have made this demand. I request the Railway Minister to consider this demand very seriously. I am requesting both Shri Velu and Shri Laluji to consider it personally. It is not a very expensive proposal. I am happy that Shri Velu is taking note of it. There is a misunderstanding that we Keralites are opposing the Salem Division. Yes, you have created a new Salem Division. That is okay. We do not grudge it. But when you create a new division, there are certain norms and guidelines to be adhered to. What has happened is, the new division has been created from the Palakkad Division by taking away the major portion of the Palakkad Division. That is unfair and unjust. Now after the new division is created, the new Salem Division has become bigger and the Palakkad Division has become smaller. Somebody was saying an analogy 'the child is bigger than the mother'. This is unfair and unjust. We want justice. When a new division is created, what you should do is, take areas from all surrounding divisions. You take some portion from the Palakkad Division, some portion from Madurai and some from Trichy and whichever is the other division and then form a new Salem Division. To think that the new division should have all Tamil Nadu region of Palakkad Division and the new division should certainly be bigger than the mother division, that thinking smacks of parochialism and narrow-mindedness. The Minister should not have that kind of thinking. That is what I have to say. (Interruptions). Sir, I can yield, but you should give that time to me. I am yielding.

SHRI B.S. GNANADESIKAN: Sir, as the name of the Minister has been drawn here, I would like to clarify it. We are not pro-Salem or anti-Salem. With reference to the facts which my learned colleague has mentioned, so far as Kerala is concerned, the total earning is, would be Rs. 265 crores, minus the Salem Division. In Tamil Nadu, it would be Rs. 200 crores if the Salem Division is created. So far as the revenue aspect is concerned, Kerala is earning more.

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: You cannot reply to me. (Interruptions).

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: If they want, let them take whatever they want to take. But let them not blame somebody or any other State. Don't bring regionalism in the Railways. That is what I want to say. (Interruptions).

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: That is exactly what I said. (Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, please.... (Interruptions).

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Sir, Mr. Narayanasamy is saying the same thing that I have said. I said that a new division should not be on the basis of State or region and should not be parochial. You take it from everywhere. I only said that. I agree with Shri Narayanasamy. He is my good friend. Further, I support the Salem Division. I am all the more for the Salem Division. It should be there. (Contd. by 2T)

RG/2.30/2T

PROF. P.J. KURIEN (contd.): It should be there. I have no complaints about that. But what I say is that it should not be formed by taking a major portion of the Palakkad Division. That is what I am saying...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Don't bring in Minister's name.

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: The Minister's name will come. You become a Minister and I will use your name. But what can I do? You are not a Minister. Sir, another thing which I would like to mention is...

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI R. VELU): I would like to say something here because earlier also one of the hon. Members said that the Minister was unfair. Now, my very good friend said that a parochial attitude has been adopted. As a point of clarification, I want to mention that this Division was not created overnight. A Special Officer was appointed. He went into the entire matter in detail and considered all aspects like which places to be covered, the possible viability, further growth, etc. It took one full year for him to take a decision, and this was then put up before the Railway Board. Then, every wing of the Railway Board went into this matter. Transport, engineering and all other related departments went into the issue, and ultimately recommended setting up of this Division. As my friends have mentioned, we have not taken the entire Palakkad Division in this route. There is the Madukkarai cement factory which gives an earning of Rs.7.72 crores, and this has been given to the Palakkad Division. If you look at it transaction-wise, earning-wise and employees-wise, which come to 8,800 and 8,200, the difference is very less. Further, the Valliyar cement factory, Madurai cement factory and the Mangalore port are going to yield a lot of income because Hassan-Mangalore line is going to become operational. Iron exports would also give income. So, viability is not questionable; number of employees is also not questionable. No office is going to be closed down...(Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF OVERSEAS INDIAN AFFAIRS (SHRI VAYALAR RAVI): Members from Karnataka should not get provoked.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Nobody from Karnataka is present here to get provoked. And, I am sitting here.

SHRI R. VELU: Also, out of 1,130 kms., the Salem Division has got around 600 kms. and the Palakkad Division has got only 57 kms. less than the Salem Division. After all this difference of 57 kms. does not matter. In India, there are 10 Divisions which are either less than that or which are of the same length. To be precise, six of them are less than 500 kms. and four of them are around 500 kms. So, viability is not questionable. The route is not questionable. The number of employees also is not questionable. And, no offices have been closed down. Then, what is the problem?

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Sir, I am not for any argument with the hon. Minister. However, I am happy that he has admitted that the new Division, that has been formed, that is the Salem Division, is length-wise bigger than the Palakkad Division. The new one, Salem Division, has 600 plus kms., while the old one, Palakkad Division, has 500 plus kms. That is my only complaint which he has admitted. All other things are okay. When a division is formed from an existing one, how can the new one be bigger than the existing one? That is what I say is unfair. If the Minister is hurt by my statement, then, I am ready to withdraw it. But fact is a fact and he has admitted that...(Interruptions) I am not yielding.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Kurien, you please proceed to the next point. This has been explained in detail by the hon. Minister.

(Continued by 2U)

2u/2.35/ks

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: I move on to my next point. ow, the hon. Minister, Lalu Prasad Yadavji, called all the MPs and gave us an assurance that the matter would be discussed with the two Chief Ministers and sorted out. I am requesting that that assurance, that he will call both the Chief Ministers and the dispute will be sorted out, should be fulfilled.

The next point that I wish to make is very, very important. In fact, the reason why I got up to speak today is mainly this. I had never asked for speaking yesterday. Sir, some people came to my house in the morning.

Sir, I want your personal indulgence in the matter. My time was taken away by the Minister and Mr. Narayanasamy, who is the Chief Whip and who should actually protect me; but he is not doing that. Sir, today, some people came to my house in the morning. I came out to see them; some of them were blind, some were handicapped; some were deaf. They were about half-a-dozen. They gave me a representation. Do you know what it was? I am sure, the other MPs must have also known about it. Now, at railway stations there are telephone booths. In 1981, Indiraji, the then Prime Minister, had intervened in this matter and it was decided, at that time, that telephone booths at railway stations will be manned by handicapped, physically disabled and mentally challenged people. So, they were given these booths. If you go to any railway station you can see either a deaf or a blind or a physically handicapped person operating the booth. What happened thereafter? The Railway Board took a decision. I can't believe that a Minister like Shri Lalu Prasad Yadav, the one who introduced the garib raths in the country, would have agreed to that. I think this has been done by the Railway Board without the knowledge of the Minister. I refuse to believe that Lalu Prasad Yadav can do this. All these physically handicapped, deaf and blind people have been told to pack up and go. Their booths are being taken away and those booths are going to be given to multi-nationals or, I don't know, to whom. It is said that this decision was taken in April 2005. After they complained against this decision, they were given extension up to April 2007. Now, they have all been asked to get out of railway stations because these booths are going to be given to some other people. I do not want to say anything more. Sir, let me tell you, if that happens I will sit here on dharna, on fast. (Interruptions) Yes. I will sit here on dharna.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: The whole House supports it.

PROF. P. J. KURIEN: Sir, who is the Railway Board to do this? Who has taken this decision? I simply can't digest it and I cannot believe that Shri Lalu Prasad Yadav will do that. I felt so bad. Some of these people were blind. They were weeping and crying. They said they also went to the Defence Minister, Shri A.K. Antony this morning. We are staying in the same building. He had asked them to meet me also. I was stunned. The hon. Minister, Mr. Velu, is sitting here. Through you, I am asking you to immediately cancel this. Otherwise, come what may, I will sit here on dharna if this is not done. This cannot happen in this country. (Interruptions)

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Sir, we all associate ourselves with what he is saying. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: All right. You have brought it to the notice of the Minister already... (interruptions)...

(Followed by 2w)

TDB-LP/2W/2.40

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: I am happy, Sir, Laluji is coming. (interruptions)... ֯ և, ֯ ֮ ׻֋ ֟ ֯ և ׾ ֯ ׾ , ֤, և ֤, כ֋ֻ ֤, ߱ , כ״ , ֯, ־ I will give you all the papers.

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (SHRI LALU PRASAD): Do you want me to retain them?

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Yes, Sir. You retain them. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, I cannot believe that Laluji can allow this thing. The Railway Board has done it. Sir, I want you to give an assurance in this House itself that no blind man, no disabled man and no physically handicapped man will be removed from these booths. I want this assurance from you that they will continue to be allowed to run these telephone booths. Sir, you are such a good person. You have presented such a good Budget...(Interruptions Veluji, you brief the Minister later on, not now. ...(Interruptions)...

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PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Mr. Pany, please don't interrupt me. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, please control the hon. Member. ...(Interruptions)...

ֻ , in April, 2005 they should vacated the premises. Now, it is extended up to April, 2007. It means, by next month, they have to vacate it. After April, all of them will have to go. Sir, your order has to come before April; otherwise, it will become fate accompli. They will go out and it will become fate accompli. ו֋

SHRI LALU PRASAD: April is coming, not gone. I will consider it sympathetically. I will do something for them. I will give more extension.

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Thank you very much, Sir. I thank you for that. Sir, this is the Minister. Sir, the Ministers should be like this. They should understand the problem and immediately react. I congratulate the Minister for this. Laluji, I said that this Budget is a wonder because you have turned the Railway from a white elephant into a profitable concern. You have done it as if you have a magic wand with you. I congratulate you for that. Laluji, you are a friend of the poor. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, I have one more problem. ...(Interruptions)... At the railway stations, there are vendors, small people who sell pan, pan masala, etc. These people are also being vacated from there. ...(Interruptions)... It is being done only in Kerala. Sir, I request you to consider it favourably. ...(Interruptions)...

Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I have one more point. Sir, the hon. Minister has given some funds for doubling of Ernakulam-Trivandrum line and electrification. (Contd. by 2x-kgg)

kgg/nb/2.45/2x

PROF. P.J. KURIEN (contd.): I want that more funds should be given for that so that it is completed early.

Then there is another issue. Nedumbassery is a big airport, becoming very popular and a large number of flights are coming there. But, there is no railway station over there. There should be a new railway station in Nedumbassery in Cochin. When Chennai airport was built, there was no railway station and a new railway station was built there. Likewise, at Nedumbassery, a new railway station must be built. I have more points, but I am concluding.

I once again congratulate the Minister for this excellent Budget, perhaps, the best Budget this House has ever seen. With this, I support this Bill. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will be calling Members and parties who have not exhausted their time. Later on, I will be calling Members from parties who have exhausted their time, if time permits.

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AKG/2Y/2.50

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, ֟ ֲ ־ ׾ ֟ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֕ ׯ֔ ֟ ֕ , ־ և ֲ ־ ׾ ֮ ֮֟ , ֟ ֮ ٣ ™ ֳֵ֤ ׯ֔ , ֻ ׻֋ և ׯ֔ ן ֵ ? (2 ָ ֿ:)

-KLS-SSS-HMS/2Z/2.55

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ֳ֯ן : ִ֯ ו֋ ֯ ִֵ

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ֳ֯ן : ֯ ֲ כ ׻ ו֋

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