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KLS/3L-5.00

DR. FAROOQ ABDULLAH (CONTD): Where is that human rights violation not being done? Even today we have that dreaded law, the Special Powers Act, under which any soldier can go and arrest anybody, can go to anybody's home, even my home, beat the hell out of me and you cannot take him to the court as was proved recently. When the courts asked for the officers to be brought to the courts, they said, we do not come under your purview. It was only at the highest level in Delhi that they were told that they had to go. Otherwise, that law is the one that is creating tragedies for us. I think it is high time you looked at it. I am glad that the Foreign Minister of India today who was the Defence Minister of India, I would like to tell him from this very seat that one of the miseries that we face is that when an army convoy moves, I wish you could see it, there is a man with a whistle in his mouth and a stick in his hand, and if you do not give him the way or you want to cross him, he will hit you there and then, and he will stop and he will take you out of the vehicle and beat the hell out of you. So, are we creating confidence by this? Are we building national security by this? Are we winning the hearts of the people that we have to win? If we do not win the hearts of the people, Sir, we will never be able to get rid of the terrorism that is going to be there for many years to come, and maybe, we will never see the end of it. If we want to win the hearts of the people, Sir, let us get on with the job that we have said we will do and stop these human right violations that take place. I do not forgive the terrorists. They are as much involved in the human rights violations. They throw a bomb. It does not kill a policeman, it does not kill a serviceman; it kills an innocent person on the road, an innocent woman or an innocent man or an innocent boy who is the bread earner of the State. There are instances, which must be looked into. I went to a place near Pakharpura where an 18 years old boy..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Doctor Sahib, the Foreign Minister has to make a statement. Later on you can continue. It was decided that he will make his statement at five o' clock.

STATEMENT RE: VISIT OF CHINESE PRESIDENT HU JINTAO TO INDIA

 

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE): Thank you, Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, for allowing me to make this statement.

President Hu Jintao of China paid a State visit to India from November 20-23, 2006. Both Governments attached great importance to this visit and made careful preparations. This was the first visit by a Chinese President to India since President Jiang Zemin visit in November-December 1996. The visit was seen as imparting even greater dynamism to the on-going high-level exchanges between the two countries.

President Hu had a productive and comprehensive exchange of views with our leaders on bilateral relations and regional and international issues of common interest. The visit highlighted the resolve of both countries to work towards the further consolidation and diversification of India-China relations. Hon. Members would recall that during the visit of the Chinese Premier to India last year, we had decided to establish a strategic and cooperative partnership. President Hu's visit offered us the opportunity to add greater content and meaning to this partnership. This was reflected in the "ten-pronged strategy" embodied in the Joint Declaration that was issued on behalf of Prime Minister and the Chinese President during the visit. A copy of the Joint Declaration is placed on the Table of the House. A synopsis of thirteen agreements signed during the visit is also being placed on the Table of the House. The range of these agreements reflects the evolving multi-dimensional nature of our relationship with China.

During the interactions, leadership on both sides reviewed recent development in bilateral relations and expressed satisfaction over the sustained positive momentum in the relationship. Both Prime Minister and President Hu noted that India-China relations had transcended their bilateral dimension and acquired a global and strategic significance. President Hu characterised the present phase in the relationship as marking a "new historic beginning" and conveyed that his visit would send out a strong signal to the international community that India and China were willing to work hand in hand for long-term friendship and common development. He stressed that China had taken a "long-term and strategic view" of the relationship with India, desiring to build a strong and cooperative relationship based on shared and common interests. Prime Minister also highlighted that he would like India and China to work together as good neighbours and partners and to develop together in a mutually supportive manner while remaining sensitive to each other's concerns and aspirations. Both leaders agreed on the need for sustained efforts to exploit the full potential of strategic partnership and to resolve outstanding issues in a focussed, sincere and problem-solving manner. (Contd by 3M)

-KLS/NBR-HMS/3M/5.05.

SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE (CONTD.): A number of initiatives were announced during the visit to consolidate institutional linkages between the two Governments, encourage comprehensive economic engagement, promote trans-border connectivity and cooperation, and enhance science and technology, cultural and people-to-people exchanges. Both sides agreed to hold regular summit-level meetings and decided to open new Consulates in Kolkata and Guangzhou. The two sides also decided to set up an expert-level mechanism to discuss interaction and cooperation on the provision of flood-season hydrological data, emergency management and other issues regarding trans-border rivers. Economic cooperation emerged as a major thrust area of the visit, with both sides keen to send out a clear message in this regard, reflected in the signing of Bilateral Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement, fixing of trade target of US $ 40 billion by 2010 and mandating the Joint Task Force already established by the two countries to complete its study on the feasibility and benefits of India-China Regional Trading Arrangement by October, 2007. Important understandings were reached for continued expansion of border trade and greater facilitation of Kailash-Mansarovar Yatra. Both sides underlined the need to broad-base the relationship through enhanced people-to-people contacts and cultural ties, taking initiatives such as launching of an "India-China Year of Friendship through Tourism" in 2007 and a five-year programme for exchange of youth delegations.

The hon. Prime Minister and the Chinese President exchanged views on the boundary question and expressed satisfaction at the progress made by the Special Representatives. Both leaders agreed that an early resolution of the boundary question would not only advance the basic interests of the two countries, but also invest our strategic partnership with further strength and dynamism, and should therefore be pursued as a strategic objective. They directed the Special Representatives to intensify their work to expeditiously explore the framework of a boundary settlement on the basis of the Agreement on Political Parameters and Guiding Principles signed in April last year. Both sides also expressed the commitment that, pending the final settlement of the boundary question, they would maintain peace and tranquillity in the border areas and expedite the work of clarification and confirmation of the line of actual control.

I am aware of the concerns expressed by hon. Members about remarks made by the Chinese envoy on the eve of the visit about the status of Arunachal Pradesh. As you are also aware, I unambiguously rejected the Chinese contention, stating that Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India. Let me also state that the matter was taken up immediately with the Chinese Government through our Ambassador in Beijing and our disappointment and concern over the Chinese statement clearly conveyed. (CONTD. BY VP "3N")

VP/5.10/3N

SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE (contd.): Prime Minister also had a useful exchange of views with President Hu on regional and multilateral issues. It was noted that as two most populous countries with rapidly developing economies, the development of India and China were important factors in the shaping of future global architecture. The two leaders noted that together India and China could make effective contributions in dealing with global issues of sustainable and equitable development, energy security, peace and prosperity in Asia and in the world, environment protection and fight against terrorism and cross-border crimes. On the issue of the reform of the United Nationals Security Council, President Hu Jintao reiterated the assurance given by the Chinese Premier to Prime Minister in April last year that China understands and supports India's aspirations to play a bigger role in the United Nations, including in the Security Council, and that China would be happy to see India succeed in its endeavour to become a Permanent Member of the United Nations Security Council.

The importance of high-level exchanges and personal involvement of leaders in the development of India-China relations was clearly acknowledged during the visit. President Hu Jintao mentioned that this was his fifth meeting with the Prime Minister in the last eighteen months. President Hu invited Prime Minister to visit China next year. Prime Minister has accepted the invitation. The exact timing of the visit will be decided through diplomatic channels.

On the whole, both sides are satisfied with the outcome of the Chinese President's visit to India, which is expected to give a significant boost to our joint efforts to seek an all round development of India-China relations while addressing the outstanding issues in a frank, purposive and proactive manner. The visit represented an important step forward in the process of developing a cooperative framework of engagement with China, notwithstanding outstanding issues. It highlighted the commitment of the two sides to add greater content to their strategic partnership and to develop an action-oriented template for the future development and diversification of India-China relations. It also offered an opportunity to send out a strong signal to the international community that as good neighbours and partners, there was enough space for India and China to develop together in a mutually supportive manner, while remaining sensitive to each other's concerns and aspirations.

Let me conclude by saying that our policy towards China, which is an important component of our foreign policy, has been characterised by continuity and consensus. We are encouraged by the positive trends in India-China relations and remain hopeful that our continued engagement with China at the highest level will give further impetus to our bilateral relations and speed up the process of resolution of our outstanding differences. In this endeavour, we seek the full support and endorsement of the Parliament. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Clarifications will be at a later date. Dr. Farooq Abdullah, please continue.

SHORT DURATION DISCUSSION ON INTERNAL SECURITY

SCENARIO IN THE COUNTRY -- CONTD.

DR. FAROOQ ABDULLAH (JAMMU & KASHMIR) : Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I am glad that we have had good relations with China. And, I hope, the Foreign Minister on his visit will also see that the route to Mansarovar that we have been demanding for a long time from Ladakh may be agreed upon by them. That will also make the process of development in that far-flung area of my State comfortable.

Sir, I was saying this and I will conclude very quickly. First is, for zero tolerance to come, some of the things are very important. And, I hope, the Home Minister will look into this. One is the Disturbed Area Act, and the other is the Special Powers' Act. These need to be reviewed. It is essential. I think this will bring about a sea change in the thinking of the people. At the same time, Sir, I would like to tell my friends on this side that with Pakistan we have started talks and have achieved good results of friendship. And, I must say that the credit goes to the ex-Prime Minister, Shri Vajpayee, who started the negotiations. (Continued by PK/3O)

PK/KLG/3O/5.15

DR. FAROOQ ABDULLAH (CONTD.): And I hope that this side will understand this. I remember him coming to Kashmir, and very near the border was one of my areas which was so near, which was hit by the earthquake. The Prime Minister at that time made a statement. He said, and I quote: "Friends can be changed, but neighbours cannot be changed. We either will live in friendship with the neighbours and develop faster, or, live in animosity and hinder each other's development." I hope this side will remember this that he was the architect of the present Indo-Pak relationship which has now been continued by the present Prime Minister, Dr. Manmohan Singhji. I hope that you all will back him in the process of friendship that was started by your great leader. And I hope that this process will go forward. This process is necessarily important for us. Sir, in many respects, for the first time, I had a little talk yesterday with the Pakistani Foreign Minister, I found him really wanting to settle things with India for good, realising that any further tragedies that occur between India and Pakistan create far greater tragedies in our secular character that we hold so dear to us. Now, this is very important that they do realise that India's secular character has to be strengthened and has to be moved forward. That is important also for our national security. Why Muslims are being targeted is also because, sometimes, the very fingers that are rubbed on to them are, "Oh! they are Pakistanis", that "if you rub a Muslim little bit here, he will turn out to be an anti-Indian". This feeling has been generated over 60 years. It will take time for this to go. But as friendship between these two countries will strengthen -- and I am sure, Sir, that there is hope, there is great hope of the bus-ride that was started by the Prime Minister -- we will definitely achieve the results that we will see within our lifetime, of these boundaries which will be just lines as we see in the European Common market. But I request this House and I request people on all sides that are here that we must strengthen this; we must help the Government of the day. Tomorrow, you may be in the Government, and they will require also to help you to achieve that basic cause, that is, unity in ourselves and then, unitedly fight against all tragedies that both countries face. They also face terrorism of a great order, and I think, we are also in that terrorist tragedies. If we cooperate with each other, I am sure, Sir, that this terrorism and many parts of our national security will be taken care of. I will not dabble with naxalite problem or other problems, but one thing I would like to say is that, Sir, in this nation, we are all one, whether we are Hindus, whether Muslims, whether Christians, whether Buddhists, whether we have no religion, but we are in gains. Therefore, to strengthen India, we all need to think how do we do that? Can we do it by dividing communities for winning the votes? Can we do it by calling names at each other, by pointing fingers at each other? This way, we will not be able to strengthen this nation. If we have to strengthen, we must join together, be united in fighting the ills that we have got; the ills that have been created over sixty years, by one or the other; it does not matter, but if we want to get forward, we have to work together, and I hope that you all and they will strengthen the relationship with our neighbour; and I hope by that we will find peace, not only in Jammu and Kashmir, but also the rest of India. National security is important. We stand by you and we hope that one day we will not need this policing that we have today that we will be a free nation as many nations are in the world. Thank you. Sir. (Ends)

ֳ֯ן : ֻ օ ֋, ֯ ֙ ֌ ֌ ֤ ֵ ֱ ӓ ״֮֙ ֯ ֮ ֟

THE MINISTER OF HOME (SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL): He has referred to page no.12: "...and strengthening relations between the State, the Centre and the Committee." The Committee has been constituted and Justice Saghir Ahmed has been appointed.

DR. FAROOQ ABDULLAH: He has been appointed, but it has not met.

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: That is different.

DR. FAROOQ ABDULLAH: That is why I said it has not met.

(Followed by 3P/PB)

PB-AKA/3P/5.20

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Dr. Farooq Abdullah's objection is, it is said that the deliberations are in progress. But it is not so. Now, initially you announced that Justice Ahmadi would be the head. I am given to understand and I read in the newspaper that Justice Ahmadi was going to head it. Then, somebody else was appointed. Then, he was removed and now a third Judge, Justice Saghir Ahmed, has been appointed.

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: If I had understood his statement correctly, he was saying that the Committee was not constituted; Justice Ahmadi was not there; Abid Hussainji is also not there.

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: He said a third Judge has been appointed, Justice Saghir Ahmed.

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: Justice Saghir Ahmed has been appointed.

DR. FAROOQ ABDULLAH: Sir, if you permit, I would like to say one thing. I also hope that my friends will also permit me to say so. Sir, you have appointed a Muslim Judge in this committee. I have no objection to it. But I would like to put before this House that it will create one tragedy that tomorrow if that very Judge makes recommendations to this Government, -- because obviously they will have to make recommendations to the Government -- recommendations, which will not be in keeping with the views that people on this side expect that article 370 should be wiped out, the tragedy will be, Sir, that this will create another tragedy for us of misunderstanding of Muslims. I hope, Sir, that before you do these appointments, you would look into these things. There are tragedies in this country. I would love to see those tragedies disappear. But they are before us and because they are there, I hope it does not create another tragedy for us which we will have to face tomorrow that a Musalmaan has given this verdict, and this is not acceptable to us. I just want to say this, Sir.

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: Let us not anticipate ...(Interruptions)... who has done it and all those things.

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SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: My only request to your party is to participate in the deliberations. That is all.

DR. FAROOQ ABDULLAH: We will participate.

ֻ (֜) : ֳ֯ן , ֮֯ ֮ ׻֋ ִֵ פ, ֲ ׻֋ ֯ - ֮־֤

, ׾ֵ ָ ֜ ֟ , ָ֮ ָ ֻ ָ , ׻֋ ֟ ־ֿ ִ֟ ֜ ֌ֻ־֤ , ָ ֮ ׾ֿ ֤ օ ָ þֵ-ñ Ӥ֮, ו ֮֮ߵ ӡֵֻ ׸ þ ֵ , ֕-? ִ ָ ֯ ׮־ Ϥ , ֮֟ þֵ 㻴 ָ֓ ׾ֹ ֛ Ӥ֮ ֵֻ ׾ֿ ׾֯ ָ֬ Ϥ ֮ ֯ ֮֕ן ָ Ϥ ֮ ӳֻ Ӥ֮ ߓ ־֙ ֻ Ϥ ֣ ָָ ָ ֮֮ פ , ָ֕Ӥ֕ ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֮ ׾ֿ ִõ Ϥ , ׻֋ ãן ӳ߸ ֟ Ϭִ֮ӡ פ Ӳ׬֟ ֕ ߅ ־ֿ ֳ ֮֕ן ִõ ӲӬ ָ֓ ִ ֻ ֌ֻ־֤ ֻ , ӲӬ ֻ , , ׾ֿ ֳ ֜ ֮֟ ֮ ֯ ֵ , Ӭ Ϥ ֵ Ӭ Ϥ ִ֮ ׻֋ , ßãן ֳ ֮֕ן ״ֻ ֌ֻ־֤ ׾ֹ ֛ ֮ ָ ִֵ ָ CPM, CPI ָ Ӭ ָ ֮ ׮ֵֿ , ׾ָ֓ ֻ ('3q/sch' ָ ָ)

3q/5.25/sch-skc

ֻ (֟): ִ֯ӣ Ù״֕ , ֟ ָ ֮ ֺ ֯ ֻ ׸ ֵ , וִ ֵ the power comes through the bullet and not through the ballot. ֯ ׬ ִֵ , ֯ ֟ ָ ו֋ ׾ָ֓ ֵ ?

ָ, ֯ ִ֬ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ָ ָָ ׮־ ֜ ֮ Ϥ ֮ ֛ ֮֮ ׻֋ ֵ֟ ֳ 2000 ֵ ֿ ֵ֟ ֋, ֻ , ָ ֌ֻ ֟-֟ ֮֯֟ , ָ ֛ ֮ ֕ ָָ ֮ ֵ֟ ״ֻ߅

֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֯ ָ ߻ , ָ֮ ״ֻ ׻ ׬׸ ֵ֤ ܵ ӡ ֯ ӲӬ ׻ ׻ ָ '' ֋ ָߕ ָ ֤ ֮֟ , ׯ֔ ֲ ׬ ֌ֻ ϳ־ ֜ ׸֟ , ֮ - ֕ ָָ ָ ֻ ֵ , ד֟ ִ֟ פ ֜ ֵ֟ ׮־ ָ, ָ '' , כ ָ ֮֟ , ֯ ָ ֮ן֯ ׾ָ֓

ֳ֯ן , ֯ ֻ ֟ ָ ֮ ׻֋ ִֵ , ߕ ׻֋ ֯ ן , ֯ ãן ãן ™ߵ֟ ָ ֮ؓ֟֕ ֟ և ׾־֤ ֛, ֯ ן ׾֮֬ ׿ ֜ ׮־ ָ ֮ؓ֟ ׿ ׯϋ괲ֻ, ׬ ֜, ֻ ןִ ָ և ֜ , ӿ֕ ָָ -

" ֮ ׾֮֬ ֳ ֕ ָ 26 ־ִָ 1949 0 (״ן Կ ㌻ ִ֯, Ӿ֟ ̸ : ׾) ֤ ָ ׾֮֬ , ׬׮ֵ״֟ ֟ٯ֟ "

׮־ ֣ ֲ ֣Ԯ ׾ Ӿ֟ ָָ , ָ ױ ֲ ϵ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

DR. BIMAL JALAN (NOMINATED): Thank you Sir. At this late hour, I think that all the points have been made and there have been some brilliant speeches also, including the one by Dr. Farooq just now.

Sir, I wish to make just two points. I could have made a longer speech but not at this hour. The first point that we should concentrate on, it seems to me, is, why is internal security becoming more of a problem now than, say, was the case 30, 40 or 50 years ago? It seems to me that apart from the issues that have been discussed -- communalism, terrorism, problems of the border and so on, the question of economic deprivation and our inability to do very much about it needs to be considered and given lot of weight. Let me just explain the point. The point is that all said and done, that India is on top and everything else, 600 billion of our people are residing in the rural areas. At least 300 to 350 million people are poor and they are dependent on public delivery system. Now, all statements, including those by Planning Commission, by the Ministry of Finance, by the social institutions etc. show that access to public services has more or less disappeared. But if you have health problems, you cannot go to a public hospital. If you go to a public hospital, you would become worse than you were when you went in. Similar is the case with public schools, public education and public transport. So, the whole deterioration in the public institutions and the public institutional framework has given a feeling of deprivation and discontent, in this largest democracy that is our country. This, I think, we need to think about. This is the first point, the first issue. The hon. Home Minister, I am sure, would make a brilliant speech, but this is not his area alone; this is not a question of law and order alone.

(Contd. by 3r/hk)

HK/3r/5.30

DR. BIMAL JALAN (CONTD.): I think we must pay a lot of attention to the public delivery system. What is happening in different spheres? You have multiple institutions doing multiple things, and this is what is spreading. You take this city of Delhi and the feeling of lawlessness. I don't want to go into the merits of it. But there is a feeling that there is no cost to being lawless and that there is no solution if you are lawless, and you want to correct it simply because a large number of institutions are involved. Look at the capital city of this great country, the largest democracy in the world, and see how many institutions, how many Ministries, how many different layers of Government are involved in this whole sealing, de-sealing, non-sealing issue. I am not saying what you should be doing about it, but the fact is that you are not able to do anything. It is very, very widespread. So, you have discontent; you have deprivation and deterioration of public institutions. These are law and order issues. This is one point, which I hope that, somehow collectively, some thought would be given how do we improve the public delivery system. About 40 per cent of our foodgrains for the BPL families does not get diverted to them; 80 per cent of poor, who are entitled to public health services don't get it, and this has been becoming worse over the years. This is one issue which goes well beyond what the Home Ministry does and it has entirely to do with the State. It is not a question of Government, but of the State. Secondly, Sir, there is a growing feeling in our land that the rewards to being lawless are greater than rewards to being lawful. Opinion polls have been taken, certain surveys have been done and studies have been done that being lawless is easier to live than being lawful. I am talking of the ordinary citizens of India, not of the parliamentarians of India. So, if lawlessness has a reward of its own, in addition to democracy, in addition to all the freedom that we have, then the problem of internal security cannot be tackled simply by increasing the police budget or doing things like this. So, I believe and feel that if we go on in the way we are going, next year or year after when we meet again, more districts will become lawless and you will probably say that the number has increased by 10, 20 or 50. You will again go through the same ground and I don't think that we will find a solution. We should look wider, deeper and concentrate on finding solutions which are straightforward rather than involving multiple agencies, shifting blame to States, from States to Centre, from Centre to districts and from districts to other authorities. Since we have multiple agencies, nobody is responsible. There is a complete lack of accountability and responsibility for whatever we deliver and whatever we don't deliver. These are the points which I want to make for consideration. Thank you. (Ends)

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT (WEST BENGAL): Sir, I am not making a speech, but I have three questions which I would like to put. This is regarding the situation in the North-East because the assessment given in the Internal Security Situation Status Paper is that there has been an improvement in the situation in the North-East, particularly in Manipur. Manipur has been mentioned. We recall that two years ago there was a very grave incident in which a young woman, Manorama, had been raped and killed and there was a very big agitation in Manipur for the withdrawal of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act. There was a very big agitation about it and following that the Government had set up a Commission. What we have learnt is that Jeevan Reddy Commission has actually submitted its Report to the Government. So, I would like to ask the Home Minister whether he would be laying the Report on the Table of the House. (Contd. by 3s/KSK)

KSK/GS/5.35/3S

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT (CONTD): And, what the Government's approach is to the recommendations of the Jeevan Reddy Commission Report and whether the Government would like to share that information with us because as you know, a young woman, Irom Sharmila, who has been on a hunger strike for the last six years, is now in the Medical Institute particularly on this demand. So, if he could just let us know on this issue.

The second point is that you have also said about Assam that the situation has improved. But, is the Government considering re-starting its dialogue with the ULFA? That is the second question that I would just request the Home Minister to speak about.

Lastly, we have heard about the deteriorating communal situation, in many areas. One aspect is the feeling that those who are responsible for rioting and killing and violence against innocent people of the minority communities, are not punished and, therefore, the problem of alienation of a whole community is there. These are some of the aspects which are part of the communalisation of our polity. In this context, although the State Government does have the main responsibility, I would like to know that since there is a report coming out of the Sri Krishna Commission Inquiry into Maharashtra violence, whether the Central Government has had any dialogue with the Maharashtra Government on this. If not, whether it would consider doing so, so that those who have been actually named by the Sri Krishna Commission as responsible for some of the worst acts of communal violence will be punished. I am asking this because unless they are punished, the feeling that justice is being done will certainly remain absent and will not help improve the situation in that State.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The Short Duration Discussion on internal security scenario in the country is concluded. The reply will be at later stage.

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL): Sir, if you allow, I would like to reply today itself because I have a question here, the Calling Attention Motion and the same kind of discussion in the Lok Sabha. I would be required in the House.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: If you are busy tomorrow, we will take it up day after tomorrow.

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Sir, since the Home Minister is here and he may reply tomorrow or day-after, I have just one plea to him that while he will be responding to the most of the concerns which the Members have raised, one of the issues which has been raised relates to the clemency of Afzal which is pending. Yesterday, we saw on one of the News Channels an important telecast which has important bearing on this issue. Therefore, in view of this, the Home Minister may respond to that also. I am referring to something that appeared in the news Channel CNN-IBN. He may acquaint himself with that, with regard to material which may be relevant in this matter. Therefore, the Home Minister, while responding, may also bear in mind that it is an area where the House expects him to respond.

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: I am expected to reply to the matters raised by hon. Members in the House.

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: I raised it. That is why, I am asking.

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: If you are asking me to scan all the television screens, that will be too much of responsibility. You raised that question specifically and I will try to reply.

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Is it a fact that one of the Union Ministers is sentenced for a murder case and he has been arrested?

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: I am sitting with you all the time.

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: One of your colleagues, Shri Shibu Soren, has been arrested. ָ ӡ ֵ֟? ٻִֵ ״׮Ù ֵ֟ ? ֓ ߵ ӡ ִֻ ֕ ָָ ׻֋ ֋ ? ָָ ָ ֻ ? ֻ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֻ The House stands adjourned till 11.00 a.m. tomorrow.

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The House then adjourned at forty minutes past

five of the clock till eleven of the clock on

Wednesday, the 29th November, 2006.

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