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The House re-assembled after lunch at two of the clock,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.

- - -

 

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Special Mentions.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, Mr. Yechury has to continue. (Interruptions)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir...(Interruptions)...

ָ : ָ, ߟִָ ֮ ָ ״ֻ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ : ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)... ߟִָ , ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)...

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, I want to complete my speech. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will give you an opportunity. (Interruptions)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: When, Sir? (Interruptions) Sir, you announce a particular time, I will sit down.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: How can I announce the time? (Interruptions)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Please permit me to speak. We heard them with all respect. Let me complete what I have to say. (Interruptions)

SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE: Sir, it is our right to reply...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Yechury, I tell you...(Interruptions)...

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, are you extending the Zero Hour?

ֳ֯ : ׻ֵ , ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ך ߕ ...(־֮֬)... , ...(־֮֬)...

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: There is no time limit for Zero Hour. (Interruptions)

ֳ֯ : ָ ו֋ ...(־֮֬)...

ӟ ֛פ : ִֵ ֮ ...(־֮֬)... ֮ ֟ ֮ ִֵ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ : ֛פ , ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)... ߟִָ , ֯ ך ֋, ߸ ָ ֤ כ֮ ֟ , ֤ ։ ˕֮ օ ֈ ˕֮ ֤ usually on Friday, the House meets at 2.30 p.m. Because for the last two days, we have not taken up Special Mentions, the Chair adjourned the House till 2 o' clock so that in this half-an-hour, we could take up Special Mentions. (Interruptions) One minute. As far as the discussion on the subject raised in the Zero Hour is concerned, the convention is that once the House adjourns, the Zero Hour ends. (Interruptions) It is not a discussion. (Interruptions)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: No, Sir. The adjournment of the House during the Zero Hour was a forced adjournment. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. (Interruptions)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Yes, Sir. They walked into the Well of the House. Because you couldn't manage, so, you adjourned the House. Had it been under the normal course, I would have...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman said that ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: No, Sir. Had the House been adjourned under the normal course, I would have accepted your ruling. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I don't know. (Interruptions) Mr. Yechury, I am bound by the ruling of the Chairman. The Chairman has on record said that this was concluded. What can I do? I cannot reopen. (Interruptions) I agree. I agree, but the Chairman has said on record that the discussion was concluded. (Interruptions)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, they have called me by all sorts of names. (Interruptions) This is my right to reply. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You can give that in writing. That can be..(Interruptions)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Under any democracy, whenever any charges are made, the right to reply is a fundamental right. You cannot deny me my fundamental right in this House. (Interruptions)

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, are you extending the discussion? (Interruptions)

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, they have made charges, they have made allegations. They have made baseless charges. I do not need these sorts of certificates of patriotism or non-patriotism from the ideologues of ...(Interruptions)...of Mahatma Gandhi, which led to killing of thousands of people.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: What I request is that you kindly give it in writing. You have the right...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: I do not accept that sort of a thing. Sir, it is my right to reply. I have the right to reply to those charges levelled against me. Please allow me to exercise my right (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I cannot reopen it, Mr. Yechury. I cannot do this.

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I fully respect your...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I agree. Mr. Yechury, you mentioned it to the Chairman also. I was present here. You mentioned it to the Chairman and he said that the discussion was concluded.

(Followed by 1w-sk)

SK/1w/2.05

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Till 2.30 p.m., you have time for the Private Members' Bill. That is sacrosanct. I do not want to disturb that. But, in the intervening time, just give me ten minutes to reply.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. The hon. Chairman has said that the matter is concluded.

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: You please let me speak for five minutes and then you can do that. ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: This discussion cannot be reopened, please. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Then, you give a ruling that you will have a full discussion.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You give it in writing. We will definitely discuss it. ...(Interruptions).. That is your right. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, since all that he has said is on record, let what I am saying go on record. I am saying this is a mockery of Indian democracy. If you want to go on saying every State is a part of India and you want a Resolution ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, I can't reopen it. ...(Interruptions).. No, Mr. Yechury, I cannot reopen it. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: On PoK, you passed a Resolution ...(Interruptions).. That is different from what it is here. ...(Interruptions).. And, this sort of charges are being heard.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You had been given the opportunity. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: I was denied the opportunity, not from the Chair; I was denied by them. I am helpless. I am pleading for your help. I am pleading for the Chair's help to allow me to complete.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I agree with your view. But, I cannot reopen it because the hon. Chairman has concluded it. I cannot reopen it. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: You cannot reopen something that is closed. I agree. But, this debate is not closed. It is going on. He is sitting there. ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The House is adjourned till 2.30. p.m.

 

The House then adjourned at seven minutes

past two of the clock.


-SK/YSR-AKA/2.30/1X

The House re-assembled at thirty minutes past two of the clock,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair

 

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

BILLS INTRODUCED

 

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Bills for Introduction. Shrimati Hema Malini, not here. Shri Manohar Joshi.

 

THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (IDENTIFICATION AND DEPORTATION) BILL, 2006.

 

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI (MAHARASHTRA): Sir, I move for leave to introduce a Bill to set up a National Commission to identify and deport illegal immigrants in the country and for matters connected therewith and incidental thereto.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI: Sir, I introduce the Bill.

(Ends)

 

THE CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2006. (AMENDMENT OF ARTICLES 103 AND INSERTION OF NEW ARTICLE 324A)

 

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI (MAHARASHTRA): Sir, I move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of India.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI: Sir, I introduce the Bill. (Ends)

THE CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2006. (OMISSION OF ARTICLE 370).

 

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI (MAHARASHTRA): Sir, I move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of India.

The question was proposed.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY (PONDICHERRY): Sir, I oppose the moving of the Bill.

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (MADHYA PRADESH): Sir, I am on a point of order. ә֮ ִֵ ֻ ߕ ָ ꌿ֮ וûי ߙ ֱ פ ٻִֵ ׸ ָ כ֮ , և ָ ײֻ ә , ָָ ײֻ ә ә֮ ִֵ ֻ ևә ָ ꌿ֮ , וûי ߙ ֱ פ ٻִֵ, ָ ֯ע ֤ ָ ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ׬ָ ֮ ֕֟ ֋ ָ וûי ߙ ֱ פ ٻִֵ ־ ָ ߕ ָ ֮ ִֵ , Ù ؛ פ ײֻ ָ

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, no point of order on Private Members' Business. That ruling is also there. You kindly read that rule. (Interruptions)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : Ӿ׮ ־ֻ

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, during a Private Member Bill or Private Member Resolution, no point of order can be raised.

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ә֮ ִֵ ֻ וûי ߙ ꌿ֮ , ׾ֵ

ֳ֯ : ?

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : , ׾֮֬ Ù֮ , ָ 00 ֟ ֯

ֳ֯ : -- Motion for leave to introduce Bill. Rule 67. It says, "If a motion for leave to introduce a Bill is opposed, the Chairman, after permitting, if he thinks fit, a brief explanatory statement from the member who moves and from the member who opposes the motion, may, without further debate, put the question:"

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, Ù֮ , ײֻ  ,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, the Rule 67 says..(Interruptions)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, Ù֮ ײֻ  ,

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Madam, on a Private Member Business, no point of order can be raised. (Interruptions)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : և  ײ֮֕ ̸֕ ֵ֮ ֟ , ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, I oppose the point of order raised by the hon. Member. (Interruptions)

ֳ֯ : ָ Ù֮

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : Ù֮ , ָ

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, the hon. Member cannot raise the point of order also.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let me hear him also. ָ Ù֮ Can you tell me the article?

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֲ ֤ ײ֮֕ ֻ , ևә ߅ ׻ և  ײ֮֕ ևә ?

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, during Government's Business only..(Interruptions)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֵ ־ֻ ! ֲ-ֲ ֤ ֻ, և  ײ֮֕ ֻ ָָ ײ֮֕ ֻ , ևә , ֵ ־ֻ פ ևә օ ֲ-ֲ ֤ ֻ ִ כˆ , ևә ߅

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, ours is a secular country. Democratic institutions are there. We have got a separate Constitution for Jammu and Kashmir which is governed by it; it is not governed by the Constitution here. There is a separate Constitution governing Jammu and Kashmir which has been there for a long time. (Contd. by RSS/1y)

RSS/SCH/1Y/2.35

 

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY (CONTD.): The Indian Constitution does not apply there. Where is the authority for this Parliament to go into that question to delete Article 370 of the Constitution? This question is not only a constitutional question, it is not only a legal question, but it is also a question relating to the democratic fabric of this country. Therefore, I would like to submit that this cannot be brought in this august House as a Bill by any hon. Member when there is a separate Constitution existing for the State of Jammu and Kashmir.

ֳ֯ן: ֮ , ֯ ׸և ?

֮ : ֻ ֮ Ùߙ֮ ־֮֬ , ־֮֬ ָ ֤õ ִ ֟ ָ ֤õ ֟ ו ִֵ Ùߙ֮ ֵ֮, ִֵ ׻ֵ, ֕ ֤õ ִ ֮ ָ ײֻ ә , כ֮ כ , ִ ִ

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: No, no. We cannot have a debate on this issue...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Shantaram Laxman Naik, you can also speak.

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Sir, the hon. Member, Shri Manohar Joshi, has introduced the Private Members' Bill. Normally, it has been a practice in this House that when a Private Members' Bill is moved either on the ground that a Bill is unconstitutional, and therefore, a Bill can be opposed at the stage of moving or on the ground that the Parliament lacks a legislative competence to discuss such a Bill...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: This is what he has raised.

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: No, he has a question, and his objection really is that India is a secular country, and Jammu and Kashmir has a separate Constitution, and therefore, this House should not be discussing this question of deletion of article 370. If you kindly read article 370, the title of the article itself says, temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir. It is a temporary provision with regard to the State of Jammu and Kashmir. Now, when the Constitution was enacted, article 370 was brought in as a temporary provision, and under article 370, there were certain matters in relation to Jammu and Kashmir which were vested entirely as far as the Parliament is concerned and the Central Government is concerned. Unlike other States, there were some matters in relation to which primacy was given to the State Legislature. Now, therefore, the division of powers, which is otherwise governed by a different List in the Ninth Schedule, is somewhat different for the State of Jammu and Kashmir. That is to say, the Central List is much shorter and the State List is much larger. That is the difference between Jammu and Kashmir and the Government of India. In 1953 onwards, we have already amended a part of our laws, and some legislative business and some amendments in relation to the powers of the State have already been deleted. For example, from the time the Constitution was framed till the time the amendments were made, the flag in relation to the State of Jammu and Kashmir used to be a separate State flag. That was done away with. The Chief Minister of the State used to be called the Prime Minister of the State. That was one amendment. We reviewed it and we altered it because it was a temporary provision.... (Interruptions)....

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN: It is not mentioned there...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Natchiappan, please sit down. Let him complete.

ֵ ֿ Ͼֻ: ә֮ The matter is very simple... (Interruptions)....

: ֯ ٙ 370 ֲָ ? You have pushed the debate on the entire issue to the agenda of discussion....(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I have called him.

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Similarly, when late Shrimati Indira Gandhi and late Sheikh Abdullah had a Pact in 1975-76, again, there were amendments made, and as a result of that Pact, rearrangement of the subjects was done, and some subjects also came as far as the Centre is concerned, as a part of that Pact itself. So, the jurisdiction of the Centre in relation to those subjects has been increased. Now today, having done it twice over, a situation has arisen where the Prime Minister of India had, at least, two round table conferences in Srinagar.

(contd. by 1z)

-RSS/MKS/GS/2.40/1Z

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY (CONTD.): And as a part of those round-table conferences, after discussing with various people, one of the subjects that the Prime Minister himself has said is the constitutional relationship between Jammu & Kashmir on the one hand and India on the other. In fact, a Group has been constituted with representatives of various political parties to discuss this. And, therefore, if this House is to discuss as to what our national approach could be, there could be two different opinions. How can it be said that a debate on Article 370 should not be permitted as far as this House is concerned? ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, Mr. Pachouri is going to speak. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY : Why is my friend, the Chief Whip of the Congress Party, shying away from having a lengthy debate on this subject when the Private Members' Bill is coming up?

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ײֻ ә ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

֤ߵ ֵ ӡֵֻ ֕ ӡ ( ֓) : ָ, Ͽ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ײֻ ӛ , Ͽ ӿ֮ ֵ , ? ָ, ׾ִ֮ ׮־ וֿ֮ ֛ , פ ָ ֯ ™֟ , "Rajya Sabha At Work" 538 ָ ִ ֛ ï™ ׻ ,

"There are several instances where motions for introduction of

private members' Bills were opposed and also negatived by the

House."

 

ָ, :

"For instance, the Constitutional (Tenth Amendment) Bill, 1956 (motion for leave to introduce the Bill was negatived by a division)."

 

ָ, ִֻ , 24-08-1956 օ ָ, ָ ײֻ ׮י , ײֻ the Constitutional (Amendment) Bill, 1993 օ To omit article 370, the motion was negatived. Ͽ 370 ֕ ײֻ ֵ , י , ָ ؙ ? 30-07-1993 ֲ ָ ײֻ ֵ ֵ , י օ ׾ִ֮ ׮־ ә Ù ָ 괲ָ ֤ և פ ִ׮֟ ֤õ ә֮ , ָ Ͽ ײֻ ־֮֬ ֵ Ùߙ֮ ֱ כ ִ-߸ ïֻ Ù ־֮֬ , ״֙ ִֻ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֮ ӿ ֲ Ùߙ֮ ֱ כ ־֮֬ ֵ ׾ֻ㯟 ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ ֵ , ãև ֵ ..(־֮֬).. ָ ׾֮֕ ֵ ..(־֮֬).. ֻ ֤ ָ ֵ ..(־֮֬)..

֓ : , ֮ ִ ..(־֮֬).. ֲ 30 և, 1993 ָ ײֻ ֵ ֵ ֤ ֮ פ , ֲ ٙ 370 ãև ֛ օ և ֟ և ׻֋ ֯ ֤ פ ֤ ָ , ָ ֕ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ӿ , ײֻ ә֮ ֱֻ ָָ ָ ï™ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ׾ִ֮ ֣Ԯ ֕ ׸ãןֵ , ׸ãןֵ ָ֧֕ ֟ ֮ ײֻ ә (ִ֯)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ײֻ ә ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The debate is over. I will put the matter to vote.

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ: Sir, how can you say that? ...(Interruptions)... ָ, ײֻ ә ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: ֯ ׸և ? ..(־֮֬).. ֯ כߕ֮ , ה ..(־֮֬).. I have to put it to vote. ...(Interruptions)... I have to put it to vote.

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, כߕ֮ ֵ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

: ָ, ֻ֟ ָָ֋ ֟ ֮և..(־֮֬).. ָ ևԾ 괲 ײֻ ָ ֤õ ֳ֟ ֟ , ױ , ָ ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: ֯ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬).. to put it to vote. ...(Interruptions)...

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ә֮ ֤ ו֛ ֵօ ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The rules are very clear. ...(Interruptions)... ֯ ? ֯ ֟ ׮֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ә֮ ֤ ו֛ ֵօ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ֯ ֟և ..(־֮֬)..

֮ : ָ, ֯ ָ ָ ? ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : , ֯ ..(־֮֬)..

֮ : ֈ ևԾ 괲 ײֻ ָ ֓ ? ..(־֮֬)..

 

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no; the rules are very clear. ...(Interruptions)... (Followed by TMV/2A)

-MKS-TMV-SG/2A/2.45

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

ֵָ : ׾ֳ֮֕ ? ..(־֮֬).. ׾ֳ֮֕ ? ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ? ..(־֮֬).. What can I do? (Interruptions).... Division. (Interruptions)... Division Bell. (Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: You follow the rules. (Interruptions)...

ֳ֯ : ? ..(־֮֬)..

֓ : ֯ כߕ̮ ו֋, ָ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ? ..(־֮֬)..֮ , ֮ ֟ ..(־֮֬).. ֟ ..(־֮֬).. ? ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ? ..(־֮֬)..֯ ֋, 67 ? ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, let it be decided by the Chairman of the House. (Interruptions)...

ֳ֯ : ֯ ? ..(־֮֬).. 67 ֋ ..(־֮֬)..ִ , , ..(־֮֬)..כߕ̮օ..(־֮֬).. Division Bell. (Interruptions)....

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ә֮ ִֵ ֻ ûי ׯ֙ ײ֮ ָ ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ֤ ׬ָ ֻ וûי ׯ֙..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ : ָ 67 ֮ , when a

Bill is introduced, if there is an opposition, it has to be put to vote.

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Beyond that, what can I do? (Interruptions)... What do you expect me to do? (Interruptions)... What do you expect me to do? (Interruptions)... I can't give any ruling beyond this. (Interruptions)...

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI MANOHAR JOSHI: This will not be fair. (Interruptions)...

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Rule 67 says something more than that. (Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, it can't be. (Interruptions)... You show me the rule. I will accept. (Interruptions)... Rule is the authority. (Interruptions)... You please show me the rule. (Interruptions)...

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : וûי ׯ֙ ־ ..(־֮֬).. օ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Rule 67 says something more than that. (Interruptions)...

֓ : ָ, ֮֯ כߕ̮ ׻֋ פ ..(־֮֬)..

0 ִ ӛָ : ָ, ׮ִֵ ֻև ׮ִֵ , ׮ִֵ ֻև..(־֮֬)..

֮ : ָ, ׮֋ .(־֮֬)..

SHRI SURESH PACHOURI: Nothing doing now. (Interruption)...

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Let us see what Rule 67 says. (Interruptions).. It says something more. (Interruptions)... It says, "Provided that where a motion is opposed on the ground that the Bill initiates legislation outside the legislative competence of the Council, the Chairman may permit full discussion there on". (Interruptions)... We want a full discussion. (Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I allowed it. (Interruptions)... I have allowed you to speak. (Interruptions)... I have allowed him to speak. (Interruptions)...

֓ : ֮֯ כߕ̮ ׻֋ פ ..(־֮֬).. ָ, ֮֯ ָ כߕ̮ ׻֋ פ ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I have permitted the discussion. (Interruptions)... I have permitted the discussion. (Interruptions)... You have put your points of view. (Interruptions)... He has put his points of view. (Interruptions)... It is for the Chair to decide. ... (Interruptions)... You have been given an opportunity. (Interruptions)...

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Three minutes discussion is not a discussion. (Interruptions)... There should be a full discussion. (Interruptions)...

֓ : ֤ ׮ִֵ ָָֆ ֻ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

.ִֵָ : כ ָ , כߕ̮ և..(־֮֬)..

֓ : ֤ ׮ִֵ ָָֆ ֻ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Lobby is to be cleared. (Interruptions)...

(Followed by VK/2B)

MP/VK/2B/2.50

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ? Ùߙ֮ ָ 370 ãֵ ֲӬ ָ ֕ ָ ָ , ֺ֢ .....(־֮֬)....

֓ : ֟ ֲ ֋, ֲ כ֮ ׻֋ ֋օ ....(־֮֬)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, Shrimati Sushma Swaraj herself had been a Minister of Parliamentary Affairs. She knows the procedure very well. (Interruptions).

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֯ ֓ ? ...(־֮֬)... ֻօ ....(־֮֬).... ֯ ֓ ? ...(־֮֬)...

֓ : ֓ ֲ , ֲ ֛֮ ӛ ִֵ ֋օ ....(־֮֬)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It is very clear. (Interruptions). Please cooperate. (Interruptions).

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: The Chair has already given the ruling. (Interruptions).

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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The question is:

That leave be granted to introduce the Bill.

The House Divided.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Subject to correction,

Noes - 25

Ayes - Nil

Abstain - 1

(Here enter the Division List for Ayes and Noes

arranged in alphabetical order)

 

The motion was negatived.

(Followed by 2C)

RG/2.55/2C

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shrimati Brinda Karat. Not present. Shrimati Sushma Swaraj. Not present. Shri Jai Prakash Aggarwal.

THE DESTITUTE WOMEN AND WIDOWS WELFARE BILL, 2006

SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGGARWAL (NCT OF DELHI): Sir, I move for leave to introduce a Bill to provide for the welfare of the destitute women and widows and for matters connected therewith.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGGARWAL: Sir, I introduce the Bill.

(Ends)

THE HAWKER, VENDOR, RICKSHAW PULLER AND ROADSIDE MECHANIC (FREEDOM TO EARN LIVELIHOOD) BILL, 2006.

 

SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGGARWAL (NCT OF DELHI): Sir, I move for leave to introduce a Bill to provide for the freedom of earning livelihood to hawkers, vendors, rickshaw pullers and roadside mechanics and for matters connected therewith and incidental thereto.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGGARWAL: Sir, I introduce the Bill.

(Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shri Vijay J. Darda. Not present. Shri Mahendra Mohan.

THE ACCIDENT VICTIMS (COMPULSORY EMERGENCY MEDICAL AID BY PRIVATE HOSPITALS AND MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS) BILL, 2006.

SHRI MAHENDRA MOHAN (UTTAR PRADESH): Sir, I move for leave to introduce a Bill to provide for compulsory emergency medical aid to the victims of accidents by private hospitals and medical practitioners and for building confidence amongst the members of the public to come forward and help the accident victims and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

THE CLINICAL TRIAL OF DRUGS ON PATIENTS (REGULATION) BILL, 2006

SHRI MAHENDRA MOHAN (UTTAR PRADESH): Sir, I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill to provide for regulation of increasing clinical trials of various new drugs on patients being conducted by various pharmaceutical companies in the country to verify their clinical pharmacology or adverse effects; to determine their safety and efficacy and to protect the interests of patients undergoing these trials in the absence of any information or contract by these companies and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

SHRI MAHENDRA MOHAN: Sir, I introduce the Bill.

(Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: We shall now take up further discussion on the Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 2004 (Amendment of articles 341 and 342). The Minister to continue her reply.

THE CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2004 (AMENDMENT OF ARTICLES 341 AND 342 - contd.

THE MINISTER OF SOCIAL JUSTICE & EMPOWERMENT (SHRIMATI MEIRA KUMAR): Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, on the 11th of August, I had given a major part of my reply to the Private Members' Bill brought by Shri Condpan. I will proceed further from where I stopped last time.

I would like to say that the caste system practised in Hindu religion is a highly complex and a hierarchical and a discriminatory system. This is true even in the case of Buddhism and Sikhism, which have their roots in the Hindu religion. The SC members of these three religions have been provided reservation in the Constitution.

(Continued by 2D)

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