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VK-MCM/1W/2.00

The House reassembled at two of the clock,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.

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00 ׻ֵ : , ֤ ֵԾ ֕ ӓ և , ֕ 13 פִָ .......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ֵօ......(־֮֬)

00 ׻ֵ : ֤ ߤ ׸ָ ֻ ߴ פ ָ......(־֮֬)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: This is not the subject before us. (Interruptions).

00 ׻ֵ : ™ן ־֮ ֮ ׯ פ ֲ ׻ֵӾֻ ֙ ֙ ׾֣֮ ֮ ׯ օ 1984 ......(־֮֬)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record. (Interruptions). Nothing will go on record.

֯ ך......(־֮֬) ֕߾ , ֯ ך .......(־֮֬) ׻ֵ , և.....(־֮֬) ֮֯ פ, ֵօ......(־֮֬) , ך, ֯ ך օ ֋ ײ֮֕ ֻ֮ ו֋.....(־֮֬) ֯ ך ֵ , ֯ ׻֋.....(־֮֬)

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, the Indian Telegraph (Amendment) Bill, 2006....(Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. ֋, ߸ ָ ֤ ֮֯ ә ָ ׻ֵ, פօ ֋, ־֮Դ ײ֮֕ ֺ .....(־֮֬) ֯ , פ, ײ֮֕ ו֋, ָ וִָ .....(־֮֬) ֯ ך, ߕօ ֋ כÙ ֵ ֈօ......(־֮֬) ֮ , ֯ ï , וûי ײ֮֕ ߸ ָ ֤ ә , ֤ ߮ ?.......(־֮֬) This is not the subject before us. (Interruptions). Please sit down. ֯ ך ,......(־֮֬) Please sit down. I am on my legs. (1X ָ ֿ:)

RG/SC/2.05/1X

ֳ֯ן (֟) : ֋, ֲ֕ꌙ ָ ߸ ָ ֤, for one hour we discussed that. ֯ , this matter is not there on the agenda of the House.


׾ֵ֮ יָ : *

ֳ֯ן : ֲ , ֲ ? ..(־֮֬).. , ָ ֣ ֯ , ָ ֕ ֨ӕ׻ ..(־֮֬).. ֕ ו֮ ߸ ָ י פ , opportunity ֵ߅ ֤ וûי ײו̮ ֵ ..(־֮֬)..

..׻ֵ : *

ֳ֯ן : ӡ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ֮֟ ..(־֮֬).. ߕ, ֯ ׻֋..(־֮֬).. ׻ֵ , ֯ י ו֋..(־֮֬).. ֯ ֲ ֟և ֯..(־֮֬).. ָ ֯ י ״׮Ù ..(־֮֬).. ֲ ״׮Ù ־ֲ ..(־֮֬)..

֮ : *

ֳ֯ן : ֋, , ֟ ..(־֮֬).. ִֵָ , ..(־֮֬).. Mr. Narayansamy, please sit down. ֋, , ֯ ֤ ֮ , , ֯ ֕֟ , ֯ ָ ִֻ ֮ ֯ ֲ י ו֋ և..(־֮֬)..

..׻ֵ : *

ֳ֯ן : י ָ օ ..(־֮֬)..֯ י ו֋..(־֮֬).. ָ י ו֋..(־֮֬).. י ו֋..(־֮֬).. ֯ ? ..(־֮֬).. , ׻֋ ֯..(־֮֬).. ״׮Ù , ։?..(־֮֬).. ״׮Ù ..(־֮֬).. ֟֋? ֯ ӡ ֋..(־֮֬).. Ahluwaliaji, you are a senior Member. You know the rules very well...(Interruptions) פ ֮ ָ ? ..(־֮֬).. ֮ ָ ֯ ? ..(־֮֬).. ָ י ..(־֮֬).. ֯ י ו֋..(־֮֬)..֯ , ӡ ֟֋ ֟֋? ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ׻֋, ו֋, ו ָ ӡ ..(־֮֬).. Mr. Naik, ֯ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬)..

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* Not recorded.

THE INDIAN TELEGRAPH (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2006 (contd.)

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK (GOA): Sir, I rise to support the Indian Telegraph (Amendment) Bill, 2006...(Interruptions) This Bill has a very limited scope...(Interruptions) This Bill seeks to replace the words "Obligation to provide access to basic telegraph services"...(Interruptions) Now, Sir,...(Interruptions)

ֳ֯ן : כ ֯ ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

..׻ֵ : ֯ ָָ ꠠ * ׻֋ ֤ ֈ

֮ : ָ, ׾ֵ ָ ֈ ..(־֮֬).. ֛ ݵ ֟ ָָ ׻֋ ֮ ״..(־֮֬).. ִ֟ ֲֻ֟ ?..(־֮֬).. ݵ ֟ ..(־֮֬).. ׻֋ ָ ֈ

(ֿ֟֟ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֤ ֻ ֋)

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: Sir, as I was saying, this Amendment has a very limited scope as it is restricted to a specific area. However, taking advantage of this limited amendment, I would like to express a few views regarding telegraphic aspects in general.

Sir, the story of Indian Telegraphs dates back to 1853 when the 33 km. line was laid between Calcutta and Diamond Harbour. Since then this country has marched to a great extent in this field as, presently, we are one of the largest telecommunication operating countries in Asia with 22,000 exchanges. (Continued by 1Y)

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.


1y/2.10/ks-mp

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK (CONTD.): Now, Sir, we had that old black telephone instrument, a precious instrument, in a few houses though. I recollect, in our films also, there were songs sung on that old, black instrument. I would like to share a few lines of that song with the House. The song goes like this:

" ׯֵ ֋ ,

߱,

ָ ֤ ֟֟ "

This was a classic song sung on that black telephone. Then, late Shri Salil Chaudhury, in film Sujata, gave us this song which was sung on the same old instrument:

"ֻ֟ ו ׻֋

ߵ,

ֵ ,

ߟ ׻֋"

Sir, this is the background of this telephone industry.

Now, we have formulated a new policy, the Telecom Policy of 1999. When this was being announced, it was said on behalf of the Government that the privatisation in 1999... (Interruptions) of telecom industry was not satisfactory to the extent required. This is what was being said when this policy was announced. Now, Sir, six-seven years have passed after the 1999 Telecom Policy was announced. We would like to know the latest situation from the hon. Minister so far as this policy is concerned, whether the privatisation which has been done has been satisfactory and to what extent.

I was noting one thing. We have several legislations on telegraph. For example, this very legislation is the Indian Telegraph Act of 1885. Then, we have the Indian Wireless Act of 1983. Then, there is the Telecom Regulatory Authority Act of 1997. I was wondering why all these legislations could not be consolidated to make it one single legislation. I find that there was one such legislation called the Communication Convergence Bill, 2001 in which all these legislations were incorporated. But I am not aware of the fate of that legislation. I am told that it has been shelved. But, in principle, I would like to submit that we should have one single legislation covering all the aspects of our telecom industry. I can understand that there has to be a separate legislation like the Information Technology Act, 2000 because information technology needs a separate and independent treatment. But, as far as the other aspects are concerned, they have to be included in one single legislation.

The other thing is that today mobile phones have become very common. At one time, we used to say that a mobile phone is a privilege of the elite. Today, you find average people, labourers, industrial workers, taxi drivers and common office-goers possessing mobile phones in a budget of just three hundred or so rupees a month. Therefore, what they used to say five years ago, that it is a privilege of the elite, is no more true. Everybody finds it a very valuable instrument to possess. Earlier, whenever you travelled in trains, you always felt you were out of touch with your families. Today, it is not so. Most of the time in most of the trains, you remain in constant touch with your families. So, this mobile phone is a new aspect of the technology which is being used by common people.

Then, Sir, we have seen that during natural calamities like floods, mobile services do not work. Who is responsible to jam mobile phone networks during those times? Then, the department says, when several thousands of users of mobile phones try to use the services at the same time, jamming takes place. (Contd. by 1z/tdb)

TDB/1Z/2.15

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK (CONTD.): As a result, we don't get the network. Is it that, or, for some other reasons, the security people try to put obstacles by jamming it? If a person cannot use his mobile in emergency, then, it is of no use to him. Therefore, in this aspect, my request to the hon. Minister is, you have to have a particular policy and a particular instrument which will make all mobiles workable during disasters. Secondly, when we spread the network of mobiles, we should also see it from security aspect. If, in certain areas, the tribal people are affected and the innocent people are massacred, then the mobile services should be strengthened in those areas. Although the people in those areas may be using less and less of such instruments, yet, for the security of those people, for their connectivity, mobile services should be provided in those areas. Sir, you are talking of the broadband. But, its coverage and intensity is not very satisfactory. Earlier, we were told that the moment you click it, the downloading will be there. But, that does not happen. Therefore, I request the hon. Minister to kindly look into this aspect.

Sir, another point I want to raise is this. Sir, we have been provided a good instrument. I would like to point out, if it is permitted by rules... ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: It is not working.

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: Yes. The question is, the connectivity of this instrument is not very satisfactory. Number two, apart from the Internet facility on this telephone, if the BSNL also provides FAX connectivity on it, then, it will be very useful. Supposing, we are on a tour, and if somebody from our State or outside tells us that such and such work is pending and something has to be done, or, there is some emergency, in that case, we can type four-five lines and send it by FAX, wherever we may be. If FAX connectivity is given on this instrument, it will be useful. It is very easy, Sir. Other companies like Idea and Airtel are providing the FAX connectivity. Only the BSNL is not providing it. As a result, we are suffering. It is very easy to provide it. Not much technology is involved in it. So, I urge upon the hon. Minister, and I also urge upon you, Sir, to do the needful in this matter.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: If they don't charge, we will allow it.

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: So, I request the hon. Minister to provide FAX connectivity on our mobiles.

Then, Sir, there are many cases in which the people object to erecting of towers. I have experienced it in Goa. When the towers are erected, the village people object to it. They say that these towers discharge some radio activity which is hazardous for health. So, we have to educate the people about the real aspect of it. I was told by a technologist, that if we have more towers, then, the radio activity or whatever emanating from the instrument is less because the tower is closer to you. The people are objecting to erecting of towers in villages. I want to know from the hon. Minister whether it is health hazardous or not. If it is health hazardous, then, the people will not allow you to erect it. Everywhere you don't get mountains for erecting towers; everywhere you don't get areas which are not inhabited. At many places, in the midst of population, you have to erect towers. So, my request to the hon. Minister is that the people should be educated whether it is health hazardous or not. If at all it is health hazardous, to what extent it is so.

Sir, my next point is this. Earlier, the PCO's role was to the extent of providing telephone service, FAX facility, etc. Now, Sir, PCOs have to be provided with all equipment so that the common man can download the Government orders, gazettes and everything from the PCOs itself. If PCOs are provided with all these equipment, then, an average common man can have all the information about the Government orders, gazettes, etc., at PCOs. Suppose, a man reqires a simple form. The PCO should be able to download that form and give it to him for five rupees or three rupees or whatever it is. The PCOs must be able to guide these people. If the customers require some information about some departments of the Government, then, they should be able to get it. Nowadays, everything is available and will be available on the Internet. Therefore, downloading and giving information to such people will be a new role of the PCOs. The hon. Minister has to do something, in this regard. Sir, another aspect of putting these towers and instruments is the question of right of way. (Contd. by 2a-kls)

KLS/LT/2A-2.20

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK (CONTD): Sir, the Telecommunication Department has a lot of hurdles. They cannot just install their instruments without permission from so many authorities. It is very difficult for the officers working in the Department to approach all these Departments to get NOCs and other necessary certificates from them and then install these things. A right has to be created in the Central legislation and also in the legislation of the States. The State Governments have to be persuaded to amend their respective legislation so as to facilitate the Department to install its instruments, poles or whatever it is in places without much delay. Otherwise, even after sanctioning of the projects, only this formality takes years together. Therefore, Sir, this aspect has to be looked into from the Central Government's point of view and other points of view.

Lastly, I would like to make a request as far as my State is concerned. You have divided Telecom Circles. How you have divided is like this. My State Goa is entitled for a full-fledged Circle. It is a State under the Constitution of India. How can you merge it into Maharashtra Circle? If the Constitution has not merged it because it is an independent State, how this Department can merge Goa into Maharashtra Circle? As a result of this we lose as far as instrument is concerned, we lose as far as financial consideration is concerned. We lose as far as instruments are concerned! When the whole of Maharashtra gets so much share then something is given to Goa. When we are a State under the Constitution of India, however small it may be, each independent State must have a full-fledged Telecom Circle. I hope the hon. Minister will do this in future. Thank you. (Ends)

ָ֕ (ֻ֓ Ϥ) : ֮־֤ ֳ֯ן , " פ כ֮ ֱ () ײֻ, 2006" ׾ֵ ֮ ׻֋ ֛ ͅ , ׻ֱ ֕ ֮֟ ־ֿ ֮ ֵ ß֮ ֮ ׸ ׮֙ 32 ןֿ֟ ׬ ֕ ִ ו ָ פ-ןפ ߓ , ָ ו ָ ֋ ִ ״ֻ֮ , ו֮֟ ׻ߕ ֮֟ , ָָ ֋ , ִ ִ ֳ ָ ׾֬֋ ׬ ׬ פ ֮ ֟ ֟ ִ ֮ ֵֻ֮ ֕ ݵ Ӿ ֟ , Ӿ ָ ֤ 1999 ß֮ ׸֕ ׮֙ 0.2 ןֿ֟ ߅ ִֵ ׻ ָ և , ִ ֜ 2010 4 ןֿ֟ ֮ , ֕ 2007 ָ ׸֕ ׮֙ 2 ןֿ֟ և ֮ 2003 ֲ ֱ ӿ֮ ֵ , ִ ֯ ӿ֮ ׮ֵ ו ָ ָ ֜ , ִ ֤ ֤ ֜ ָ֕ ß֮ ևև֮ ߱ ֣-֣ 껵ָ پ, և ߱ ֮ ָ ָ ߱ כ֙ , ־ԕ׮ ִ օ ߱ پ ֟ , ִ ׿ ߱ ״ֻ ֟ օ ָ ӓָ ׮ִ ֮օ פ Ӳև ׻֋ .... ָ֮ ߱ ׮ִ ׮ִ ֵօ ׻֋ ֵ ִ ֮֟ ׾֬֋ ״ֻ ֛-֛ ָ ׻֋ .... ... ִ , ݵ ו ָ ׸֕ ׮֙ ֜ , ֲ ֜ ֕ ׸֕ ... ִ ֤ ֵ (2 /.. ָ ָ)

NB/2B/2.25

ָ֕ (֟) : BSNL ִ ֵ - "և " MTNL , ִ ָ ֮ ֵ .... (־֮֬)

ӓָ ֮ ӡֵֻ ֕ ӡ (. ߻ ֤) : "և ׮׿֟ ", ֮֋, ֮֟

ָ֕ : ֲ ֮ ֋, "" "׮׿֟" ֮ .... (־֮֬)

.. ׻ֵ : ֮ ӡ ֮ ׻ֵ "" , ׻֋ "׮׿֟" ֮ .... (־֮֬) ֮ ׻ֵ ֮֯ .... (־֮֬)

. ߻ ֤ : ֮

.. ׻ֵ : ֮֯ ֮ ׻ֵ ,

ָ֕ : , MTNL ãן , MTNL ָ ֮ ָָ ױ և پ ָ ָ ߱ , ִ ֮֟ ָ ֟ , MTNL ꌿ֮ ״ֻ , , ֮ ? ֕ ִ ֤ ֵ ֕ MTNL ִ ֵ - " ߱ ֟" ӡ ֤, ߤ ֺ

ֳ֯ן , ֕ ӿ֮ ֵ , ֻ ֲ ӿ֮ , ֮ (3) "" , 2003 ӿ֮ ֵ ֵ , ִ ׮ִ ֵ Universal Service Obligation Fund, ו USO ֟ ߱ ꮵ ָ֮ , ֵ , ָ ִ ã , ָ ֋ ֲֻ , ݵ־ֿ ֕ ֆ ֮ פ ֻ֓ Ϥ, ֮ ו Ϥ ֟ , ߱ ™ ֵ֤ Ϥ ֤ ãן , ָ ӓָ ӡ Ϥ , ָ ֕ ָ ߱ ֓ ־֮ ׻֋ ֟ , ֮ ߴ ־ã ֮ , ֕ ָ Ù , ֮ equipment , ָ ִ ׻֋ ֤ , ָ ߕ ָ ֓ , ׻֋ equipments פ ֻ ֟ , ֕ ָ ִֵ ãן USO ״ֻ֮ , 10,000 ֋ ׬ , 2002 ֕ ֻ 3,300 ֵ ִ ׻֋ ׸ߕ ֵ Ù؛ ִ֮ כ֙ evidence , ִ ֟ ֮ ֮ 2005 3,500 ֋ , ִ ֻ 1,500 ֋ פ ֋ ֕ "" ֲ ֮ ֟ ׳ֵ֯ USO ֵ և پ ׻֋, ָ پ ׻֋ ִ֟ ָ וֿ ֮ tele density ֮֜ ׻֋ ϵ ֮ ֌ , ו ײ 2010 2,000 ֮֯ ֻ Ӿ , ߱ , ֕ 70 ןֿ֟ Ӿ ߱ ׾֬ Ӿ BPT ߱ ֵ ֋, ָ Ӿ ׻֋ ׾֬ Ϥ֮ - - ׮ֵ ִ פ ֵ , ָ ӓָ ׮ִ, ו ִ ָ ֵ֟ , ֵ , public enterprise , public company , ׻֋ BPT ֋ , և ֮ , ֮ obligation BPT ֮ , ָ ֵ ֵ 2C/AKG ָ ֿ:

AKG/2C/2.30

ָ֕ (֟) : ֕ ãן ׬ӿ Ѿ , ִ ߱ ׾֬ ״ֻ ֕ , ִ ׻֋, ָ և ײ֔ ֟ , ׯ ևָ ײ֔ , ָ ߱ ֓ ֟ , ִ ִ ֻ , ָ ״ֻ֟ , ָ ִ ֟ և پ provide , ִ cost ֋, ֕ Ѿ , ָ ߱ , ֯ և پ ָ provide ? ֲ ֯ ߱ , ֯ equipment ֣ ӡ ׮׿֟ ֲ և پ ׻֋ ֆ פ ֋, և ߱ instrument , ֮֟ ? ֯ ߱ پ ָ instrument , ֯ ִ ? , public money, ֯ particular purpose ׻֋ פ ֵ basically, Parliamentary Standing Committee ֮ כ֙ ֟ ֮ ו ִ ׻֋ ֆ ֵ֮ ֵ , ׮ִ ֵ , ٻִֵ ߵ֟ , ׾ָ֯ߟ ֕ ӿ֮ և پ ׻֋, ָ پ ׻֋ ֆ ֵ ֟ , ִ֟ ֤ ִֵ , violate ֻ Parliamentary Standing Committee observation ֯ ָ ֵ֮ ٻִֵ ֟ ֵ , ٻִֵ ߵ֟ , ׾ָ֯ߟ ֯ ׾ֳ ֻ և ָ ֣ ״ֻ ִ ׻֋ ָ amendments ־ֿ ֛ ֯ ָ ߱ ׻֋ և ָ ׻֋ ײ ֮ ֵ , ֯ subsidise , ֆ ֮֮ ߔ ӿ , ӿ ִ֯ ֟ Parliamentary Standing Committee ׬ӿ ֤õ ׻֋ dissenting note , ־֕ כ֙ ӿ֮ ֺ ִ֟ TRAI ֵ֤ ӿ֮ ־ֿ , ־֕ כ֙ ӿ֮ ֵ ִ֟ ָ ß֮ ϟ Ѿ ߱ ֮ , ָ ִ tele-density ֮֜ , ߱ և , ִ ֯ subsidise ־ֿ ׻֋ 2002 ֆ ׮ִ ֵ օ ִ֟ ֕ ӿ֮ ָ և پ ߔ ָָ ӿ ֟ ֲ ߱ پ , equipment ֮֟ , ִ ״ֻ, ָ֮ ֻꅠ ָ equipment ֋, ִ ֓ , ָָ ֵ֤ օ ָָ ֮ ׮ֵ , ß֮ ֻ, sick և , ITI , ו֮֟ ־ԕ׮ ׮ֵ , ֕ ִ֯ ֵ ֯ ߕ ֟ privatisation WTO ׮ָ֤֮ ֮ ָ ֮ ֤ ß֮ ִ ֮֟ Ѿ , ִ֟ ֣ ߱ ׾֬ , ִ֮ ֮ , ߱ ֵ ֮ ӿ ߱ ׻ , ֮և և ߅ ֕ urban 32 ןֿ֟ , ֯ ֮֜ ׿ֿ ִ ֻ 2 ןֿ֟ tele-density ֜ , ִ֟ ָ ֮ ֮֯ ָ ֵ , ד֟ ӿ֮ ׾ָ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

߸ י (ָ Ϥ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , The Indian Telegraph (Amendment) Bill, 2006 ִ֣Ԯ ׻֋ ָ ֛ ָ ֵ֤ ֟ օ ײֻ ֻ ֲ ӿ֮ , ׾ָ ӕև (2 ָ ֿ:)

2D/HMS-VP/2.35

߸ י (֟) : ָ ֕ ֓ ֲ ׬ ן , ָ ִ֓ revolution , communication , ־ ֕ ן ָ֬ ָ ֙ , ָ ֙ ֻ֟߮ ӓָ ӡ ֤ ִ , ו֮ ֵ ָ օ ֲ ֤ ִ ӓָ ӡ , ׻ֱ پ ߮-߮, ָ-ָ ֻ waiting list ߅ ׻ֱ ꌿ֮ , ׻ֱ , ֟ ָ ״ֻ ֵ 1997 ֲ ֤ ִ ӓָ ӡ ãן ֮ ֟ ָ֬ , ־ֿ ֮ ׻֋ ־ֿ , ӓָ-ן ָ օ , ֟ ָ ֕ ׸ן ֮ , ֮ ׾ ו ֮ ׻֋ ִ֓ ָ ן ӓָ

, ֟Դ֮ ӡ ֬և , ִõֆ ָ ֺ ו֮ ִ֮ פ-ןפ ֛ ֯ 껵ָ ֜ פ , ֯ 껵ָ 0000 և , ֯ پ ß , ֮־ָ ӡ ֕ - , פ peak hours ֲ ֯ Ӳָ ״ֻ֟ ִֵ ֟ 껵ָ ֻ ֻ ֮ ֵ ֲ ־ֿ ֵ ֯ Ӳָ ״ֻ֮ ׻ֱ Ӳָ ״ֻ, ׌ ״ֻօ ӡ ֵ ֮ ָ ֯ ׾ßָ , ֯ע , ׻֋ ֯ ֬և ֡ , ֯ ־֢ ׻֋ וִָ ֯ پ և ֟ , efficient services

, ֟ ֕ ײ֮֕ ו֮֟ , ֳ ֳ ֟ efficient services ֟ , efficiency ֟ , ֯ ׾ֳ inefficiency ֟ ֯ wrong calls , ׻ֱ ָ Ӳָ ָ , consumer ֛, ֯ ֟ ֵօ ָ ֯ ׾ֳ inefficiency ִ ָ ֵ ו֋ , ֕ ֣ ֤ ֤õ ֯ 껵ָ wrong calls ܵ ֜ ֯ 껵ָ - ꌙ , ָ ꌙ - ֟ ָ ꌙ ֟ ָ , ׾ָ ׻ֱ ֮ ֯ ֮-֨ ׬ָ ֯ ָ ֙ ֆ ֋ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ָ֮ ? ׻ֱ ? ֲ ֮-ִֵ ׻ֱ ߓ ꌙ ױ ֟ inefficiency , ָ ־֕ ָ ָ ֟ ֵ ֮ ו֋ (2 /ߋ־ ָ ֿ:)

PSV-PK/2E/2.40

߸ י (֟) : ָ ֟ ֮֯ ֮ߕ , ֟ , - ߱, 껵ָ ׾ԕ ß ָ և , ֵ ָ ָ ָ ? ֯ ִ ָ ֕ ӓ ׻֋ ֟ ֟ ֟ ־ ֯ ָ , ֵֵֻ ִ ֤ , ICICI ֻ , Ù ֻ , ײ֛ ֻ , ֲ ָ ִ֟ ֵֵֻ ׮Ե פ ָ ߱ ֮ , ֯ և ֯ ִֵ ֵ ߱ , ָ , ָ ָ ֮։ פ , ֛ ֵ ֮ ָ ֻ ֮ ־ֵ ֮֜ ׻֋ ֵ , ִ ֮ ֮ ׬ ֕ ֮ ָ֬ ׌ -- ֵ ִֵ ָ֮ , ָ֮ ־ ָ ָ ָ֮ , ֲ ׌ ֵ ß ...(־֮֬)...

ֵ ֺ : ֲ ֯ ش , ֲ ֯ , ֲ ...(־֮֬)...

߸ י : ֟ ߅ ֲ פ ֮։ , ֵ֟

, ָ ֟ ش ևԅ ֟ ֤ ֤õ ״ֻ֮ ֻ ߱ ׾֬ ָ օ ֮֯ ߱ ׾֬ פ ִָ פ ֲ ֮ ֟ , ֮։ ֲ ֮։ ֟ , ֻ ֻ ߱ ߱ , ֲ ָ ߱ STD ֮ ֋, פ ֋ ...(־֮֬)... ָ ֕ օ ו ָ ׸߾ , ָ օ ֵ ָ ־ã ו֋ ...(־֮֬)... ָ ֛ և ד֯ ו֋ ָ ־ã ו֋ ֲ ֮ ֋, ֻ ֈә ִ ־ã ...(־֮֬)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Chips you can provide; telephones we will provide....(Interruptions)..

ϟ֯ : ָ, ֮֮ߵ ӡ ־ , ָ MPs ׻֋ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)... ָ, ֯ ֮ ו֋ ֮ ָ ֻ ֻ , ֲ ָ פ STD ֕ ش ֕ ָ ָ ד֯ ָ פ ֋, ֓ ָ ߅ ָ Ù؛ ֮ ׸ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ִ ֟ MPs ָ ֈ ֻ Ù؛ , ֮ פ ֋, ָ ִ ֮ ֟ ָ ָ ו֋ ...(־֮֬)...

֮ ֮ ̴֕ : ׻ MTNL וֿ֮ ֲָ ...(־֮֬)... ״֮֙ ֟ ֟ ...(־֮֬)... ״֮֙ ֟ ...(־֮֬)... ִ ֲ ֟ ...(־֮֬)...

مولانا عبید اللہ خان اعظمی : ڈالفن اور ایم۔ٹی۔این۔ایل۔ کی پوزیشن تو بہت خراب ہے ۔۔مداخلت۔۔ ایک منٹ میں بات نہیں ہو پاتی ۔۔مداخلت۔۔ ایک منٹ میں ہی کٹ جاتی ہے ۔۔مداخلت۔۔ اس میں تو ہم سب لوگ سہمت ہیں ۔۔مداخلت۔۔

߸ י : ֮֯ ߱ پ ...(־֮֬)... ִָ֮ ֵ -- 24 ә ...(־֮֬)....

ֳ֯ן : ׻ֱ ײֻ ...(־֮֬)...

߸ י : ӡ , 24 ә -- ә ֟ , ֲ ֯ instrument ִ , ֈ ֻ ֟ ֵ ָ ֮ ו֋

ֻ ֟ ߱ پ ָ ߱ پ ָ ֮ פ , ֲ ߱ پ ו֮֟ ֻ , ֕ ֲ ֮֯ BSNL ָ ֮ פ, 껵ָ ָ ֮ פ, ָ ֯ ߱ ֲָ ֋, ߮-߮ פ ֻ ֮ ֻ ãן ֮ , Ѿ ָ֬ ֮֟ ֲ ֤ ߱ ׬ , ײֻ ִ֣Ԯ ֯ ֯ ָ ׾֬ֆ ֮ ꅠ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN. ...(Interruptions)...

֮ ֮ ̴֕ : ָ, ֱ ֟ ߱ , ִ ֛ ׿ֵ֟ ֯ ߱ ָ ָ ָ ߱ ־ ֟ ִ ߕ ֟

مولانا عبید اللہ خان اعظمی : سر، میں صرف ایک بات کہوں گا کہ جو ٹیلی فون ہوتا ہے، اس میں ایک بڑی یہ ہے کہ آپ کے ٹیلی فون پر آپریٹر لوگ دوسرے کا ٹیلی فون لگوا کر بات کروا دیتے ہیں۔ اس میں وہ چیز بھی آ جاتی ہے۔

ֳ֯ן : ֮ ֟ ևԅ

֮ ֮ ̴֕ : , ָ

مولانا عبید اللہ خان اعظمی : یہ ہے، سر۔

ֳ֯ן : ֮ ֟ ևԅ (2f ָ )

PB/2F/2.45

SHRI DAYANIDHI MARAN: Sir, the discussion should be on the Bill.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: That is the problem. On the discussion on the Railway Budget also, there is this problem. Shri Tapan Kumar Sen.

SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (WEST BENGAL): Sir, I would like to bring to your notice the crux of the issue. The Statement of Objects and Reasons of this Bill says that the Bill is mainly for providing financial support from the Universal Service Obligation Fund to the mobile service providers in the rural areas. And, the Bill is in continuity of an Ordinance promulgated on 30th October, 2006, just a month before the Parliament was going to have its Session. So my first point is, what was the need of such a hurry? Heaven would not have fallen had the Ordinance route not been resorted to. There are definitely no two opinions that in the rural and remote areas, the mobile service must spread. This is the most modern system of communication. That must spread. There are just no two opinions about it. But the point is, why is this kind of route resorted to? Why? I don't find any logic in it.

Secondly, when the Bill is aimed at providing the Fund support, 'Sarkari Fund support', the USOF, to the mobile service providers in the rural and remote areas, then what would be the status of that agency which has already been providing mobile services in the rural and remote areas? Whatever you may say, 'և ֟, ֻ֟', the fact is that in a country of below two per cent rural teledensity, ninety per cent credit goes to the 'և ֟', the BSNL, for rural telephone infrastructure. Ninety per cent credit goes to them. Even as on date, even after signing the agreement for front loading the subsidy for teleconnection, whatever the rural telegraph-telecommunication area that has been covered, the three-fourth credit goes to what you call 'և ֟', your BSNL, and hardly one-fourth goes to the other private providers, -- and the difference is, it is 1500 with BSNL and that is 400 -- putting together all private telecom companies, your Reliance, your TT Tele Services and so on and so forth. In this kind of a situation, when the Universal Service Obligation Fund is sought to bless the private telecom service providers for carrying it to rural areas, -- there is no problem -- please do not forget that those who have already provided service without the blessings of your USOF, the BSNL, they must be treated, covered by this Fund retrospectively, from the date they are providing service there. The amendment moved by me in this Bill -- and I insist on that amendment -- practically pertains to this only. It says that they must be covered retrospectively. And, there is reason for apprehension. What is the present status of the USOF? The Universal Service Obligation Fund is constituted by taking a levy from all telephone service providers at the rate of five per cent on their adjusted gross revenue and, quite obviously, here again, in this Fund constitution, the BSNL is the biggest contributor. And, Sir, how that biggest contributor has been treated by this Universal Service Obligation Fund all these days? It is asked to provide landline services which is much costlier. As per the reply to an Unstarred Question No. 2282 in Lok Sabha on 15.12.2004, it has been stated that the operational loss, or you may say the net cost in terms of USOF terminology, incurred by the BSNL for providing telecom services in rural and remote areas in 2001-02, in 2002-03 and 2003-04 has been Rs. 24,342.84 crores -- in three years, i.e., 2001-02, 2002-03 and 2003-04. And out of this, how has the Government fund assistance been flown to the BSNL, 'և ֟'? It is only Rs. 7620 crores, on account of licence fee reimbursement and some repayable loan. But from your USOF, it is a petty Rs. 520 crores. (Contd. by 2g/SKC)

2g/2.50/skc-aka

SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (CONTD.): There was a reply given by the Minister in the Lok Sabha, saying it was Rs. 520 crores for these three years. What about the subsequent years? Again, as per the reply given to another Question in the Lok Sabha on 17.05.2006, in the subsequent years, BSNL alone incurred an expenditure of Rs. 4527 crores in 2004-05 and 2005-06 for installing telecom services in rural and remote areas. The total disbursement from the USOF was around Rs. 3080 crores, despite the fact that your Fund was having a surplus of Rs. 7600 crores. Now, you have the Fund. You need to provide services in the rural and remote areas and the service is being provided by 'և , ֟օ' ֟ Despite there being a Fund, that assistance does not flow. Despite all this, BSNL had absorbed tremendous losses, and it is still providing a major part of telephone connectivity in the country. Please, don't demean it. Please, don't undermine it. And I insist, let us continue with the kind of performance the BSNL has as a public sector company. Many a people in this dirigisme regime always give a frowning look to a public sector unit. There are philosophical differences on it. But, on the ground, with the performance they have given, the manner in which they could till now provide communications, with all their limitations, to the remotest corner of the country, please, don't undermine them; please, don't humiliate them.

You have brought forward this Bill with the purpose of taking care of the technical difficulties in providing Government assistance, in spreading rural telecommunication. It is a very welcome step. Also, please, cover all those who have already played a role, retrospectively.

On the other hand, the contractual obligations of a licence, I think, is a matter that needs to be seriously probed. It also needs to be seen how well the different private telecom service providers are discharging the contractual obligations they have while going into loss-making, high-cost, low-income areas, and so on, and whether these obligations are being fulfilled by them; and if not, what action you would take. That also needs to be done. When you are providing an umbrella support to all concerned for providing a service, they also need to fulfil their obligations. Whether they are fulfilling those obligations or not, must be seen. So, there has to be a strong monitoring mechanism including penalty measures. On that aspect we have apprehensions because we have seen how -- when the private service providers were introduced in the telecom sector, over a period, from the license fee regime to the revenue sharing regime -- Government shifted its stand just to facilitate and favour the private providers at the cost of the public exchequer and the public sector companies. That enmity is there and it would continue in the new regime too. But it must seem logical, and that is why, I insist that this amendment, which has already been circulated, if accepted, may not do full justice. But it would, at least, partially ameliorate the discrimination being faced by them. This is warranted in view of the responsibility they have already shouldered to reach telecom services to the remote rural areas, in the face of punishable default by private telecom companies in this regard despite their contractual obligations as per the conditions stipulated in the licence.

With these words, I would request and appeal to the hon. Minister to accept the amendment moved by me in this regard, to remain non-discriminatory and to uphold the propriety. Thank you.

(Ends)

SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN (TAMIL NADU): Mr. Deputy Chairman Sir, the principal Act provides for establishment of Universal Service Obligation Fund. The purpose of this Fund is to enable the Government to fulfil its universal service obligation, of providing basic telephone service, to every citizen, including people in the remote areas, at reasonable prices.

(Contd. by 2h)

HK-SCH/2h/2.55

SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN (CONTD.): Sir, presently, the USO fund is available only for basic telephone services, that is, landline service. The Bill aims at enhancing the coverage and widening the scope of services under the USU fund. The Bill allows the extension of financial support from the USO fund to the cellular providers who are willing to extend cellular mobile services in rural and remote areas. Sir, while providing cellular services to remote areas, it should not be at the cost of landline services. The Government should not allow the fixed lines to suffer. Sir, it is necessary for rural India to take part in India's economic growth. Sir, the Government has to up-date the infrastructural facilities in rural areas so that rural areas can be developed at par with urban areas. Sir, to achieve the highest percentage of agriculture, production formats must be made available on internet connection to know about the up-date information and latest technology in the cultivation activities of various crops. Sir, for providing internet connection to rural areas, landline services are absolutely required. At present, the rent for the fixed lines is high. So, the rent has to be reduced to the minimum so that farmers and other weaker sections in the rural areas can afford to get the landline phones. So, while providing the USO fund for the cellular coverage, the Government has to encourage fixed lines telephony in rural areas. This is a vital requirement for the growth and equitable distributed. Thank you. (Ends)

֮ ֻ ӛ (ײָ): ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ׾֬ ָ ֮ ֵ , ִ֣Ԯ ֛ ֮ , ևԙ ֛ ן , ן , ָ ן ן ֻ ִ֙ և

֮֮ߵ ӡ ֌־ ֣ , ֌־ ֵ , , "ָ ӓָ  ׯ֔ ֯ ן ֓, 2000 և, 2006 ִ -֙ 2.9 ֜ 14.10 և , ֣ׯ -֙ 8.2 ֜ 44.05, ԟ ӓ ֜ , ֲ ִ -֙ 0.7 ֜ 1.86 " ֲ ֤ ؓ֟ ֟ ֮ ֌־ , , "ϟ ֳ 50,000,00 ߱ ֟ ֣ ִ -֙ ߓ ָ ֜ " ָָ þָ׌ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ ֌־ þֵ ִ ӟָ ֜

MCM/2J ָ ָ

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