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NBR-USY/3g/5.00

SHRI K. KESHAVA RAO (CONTD.): For example, in Pondicherry it is only nineteen rupees. So, here is a legislation that gives you a leeway, which gives you a kind of freedom, where you meet the needs of the people.

And, lastly, Sir, more than all that, let us understand that this is a true experiment for a rural democratic process, where we have brought the panchayats to the centre stage of our employment schemes. The former Rural Development Minister says that gram sabhas don't exist. Perhaps, he does not know what a gram sabha is. Shri Chandra Sekhar Reddy would have told him what a gram sabha is. Even Mr. Sengupta was saying that there is a bureaucratic influence. There could be a bureaucratic influence, not Collector's influence. There is a difference between this. I don't think if a Collector had been able to go things would have been different in this country. They don't go at all. They don't go out of their houses, or, out of their Mercedes cars. I know the bureaucratic influence does exist. But don't take a PR functionary or the elected representative to be that small. He knows how to assert. Days are gone where he used to go to serve petitions. Today, gram sabha need not necessarily be a regular gram sabha, called under some kind of a statutory rule. A gram sabha has an office where a man goes and asks what is happening to the schemes. He finds out what schemes are being mooted. Next, it is quite possible that the gram sabha does not display on the board the schemes that are introduced. Sir, through you, let me submit to my friend, right in his own district, every person is going right to the MRO's office and find out as to what works are being taken up. As far as Andhra Pradesh is concerned, I don't want to make it an, as one of the friends said, "Everybody is making it a Bihar issue or the other issue", issue. Let me tell you not because 98 per cent of the people, who are there, have benefited out of it, the scheme that we are talking about is....(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No; no. Please don't interrupt. It is his maiden speech. (Interruptions) No interference please. (Interruptions) It is a convention. (Interruptions) Please respect the convention. (Interruptions) Whatever may be your differences, but please respect the convention. (Interruptions) He has claimed that it is his maiden speech, and I have accepted it. (Interruptions) No, you need not interfere, when he has said so, let us not dispute it.

SHRI K. KESHAVA RAO: All right, Sir, I would exchange my notes with the TDP Members...(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: What is this? (Interruptions) He has claimed that it is his maiden speech. (Interruptions)

SHRI K. KESHAVA RAO: If somebody is feeling jealous of my speech that under the guise of maiden speech I am taking more time, they have a right to again contradict me, I have no objection. And, if they don't get time here, they can go back to my place and join the issue with me. There is no doubt about it. But the question is, today, is not that. The question, today, is that a democratic revolution is taking place in the rural areas. Where is the right which we have been talking about, which has been denied all through? That has come through a statutory backing; that has come through a legislative backing, and not through an Executive order that can be taken away any time you want. So, when these kinds of things, when they are trying to be in their place -- even if, according to you, they are not in their place -- we need your support because you have never said that this is done by this Ministry or that Ministry. The law is so made, the law is so made that there is a space for everyone to intervene. So, why don't you look into a right perspective? There is no need for a fragmented perspective in this, nor there is any need of a politics to be played in this because every poor man, of whom you are talking, belong to you or belong to me, about whom you have been talking for sixty years, but doing nothing at all. When there is a legislation, which is in your hands, please try to use it, whether it is your Government or my Government. (Interruptions) Mr. Venkaiah Naidu said, "The non-Congress Governments have done well." Very good! All of us are feeling proud of it. I wish all the Governments, in the country, to do the same thing. And, if there is a need to add more, add more to that. Another important thing is, the TDP Member would know that in Andhra Pradesh, in his own district, 59 per cent of the people, who are taking advantage of it, are women. What more do you want? (Interruptions) This is what, they can't say. Sir, I am sure in the Chandra Sekhar Reddy's village, it is....(Interruptions)

(Followed by 3h -- VP)

VP/KLG/5.05/3H

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Sir, he has never visited any village. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: He will come. ...(Interruptions)... Either you go or he will come. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI K. KESHAVA RAO : All right. I am sorry if I tried to hurt anybody. No; I did not try to hurt anybody. As a matter of fact, let me tell you, he was with me in his village and they are doing a wonderful work. Actually, the first question came from their Party, the TDP, which has been welcomed. That is why I started the first sentence by saying that it is nobody's movement. It is a people's legislation, perhaps, brought in by somebody who thought about the people for the first time. After 56 years, we thought of the people who were forgotten. As Shuklaji said, for six years we were sitting down and talking about the Maharashtra legislation. It is the same kind of a thing that Smt. Sonia Gandhiji has brought in. She had concern for the people. She understood what exactly is needed. If Dr. Manmohan Singhji has brought this thing, he understands what exactly is the economic growth rate that is to be integrated into the rural scenario, rural scene, and rural milieu. This is what exactly has been done. That is what I am trying to tell you. Please look into this from the social, cultural and economic angles. This is some kind of a total revolution that is taking place because people who are familiar, and about whom we are talking are now today empowered, whether fully or not, but they are on their path of empowerment. Thank you very much, Sir. (Ends)

ֵ ֺ (ָӛ) : ֳ֯ן , ™ߵ ִ ָ ָ ׬׮ִֵ ... ָָ ֮ֆ , ֮ ֕ ָ ֟ , ֲ ӯ ָ ֮ ִ߮ ֮ , ֕ þ߸ ׮ָֿ֮֕ ֮ ֤ ָ ִ ׸ָ ֵ ֤õ ֻ ָ׸ ִ ָ , ׾֢ ׸ָ פ ָ ֲֻ ֵ ֋ ָ ־ã 553 וֻ 200 וֻ ֵ ӓ ֻ ߟָ פ ֋օ

, ß־ ָ ֮ ֵ ֓և ֮ ™ָ֓ ׮ֵ״֟֟ ֵ ִ֬ ֮ ֵ ו֮ ֮ ֵ , ֻ ײ֓׻ֵ և ִ֟ ֛ և , ִ ָֻ ִ ֟ ֟ ֱ , þֵ ִ ׾ ӡ 0 ӿ ֤ ֤ ׻ ֋ ֮ ֡ פ 18 , 2006 ã֮ ָ -֛ ָ ׾ֻӲ -֛ ָ ־֕ ִֵ ָ ִ ֮ ׸ ״ֻ ã֮ ׬׮ִֵ פ-׮֤ ӑ֮ ֮ ָ֮ ״ֻ , ӕ, -֛ פ ־-֡ ׻֋ ֮օ

, Ӥ ֮ ֕ ָӛ ָӛ ֕ ݵֻֿ ֕ , 20 וֻ ֮ և ִ֣Ԯ ָָ ֻ ָָ ָֿ߮ ֤ ׾ֵ֬ ߻ ןָ, ִ֛ ׾ֳ֮֬ ֟ , ֮ ִ ׾ ӡ ֱֻ ֮ ָ ™ָ֓ ָ ֋ ֻ ߵ ִ ׾ ӡֵֻ ӵ㌟ ד־ ָӛ ִ֛ וֻ ָ ָ ֮ ֻֻ֓ ֋ ֮ , ֯ϳ ֋ ִ ָ -֛ ֟ ߮ ߟ ֮ ־֕ פ ִ ״ֻ

3j/ ָ

aka-vkk/3j/5:10

ֵ ֺ (֟) : וֻ ָ ߵ ֮֋, וִ֮ ָ ָ ֮ ״ֻ , ָ ִ և ָ , ׾ֵ֬ ֮ ָָ ӡ ֱֻ ӡ ָ ™ָ֓ ָ ֮ և ֲ ָӛ ִ֛ וֻ ָ ֙ ׮ֻ Ϥ ֲ ֤ ֵ ָ և פֵ ִ֛ וֻ פֵ ֵ , וִ financial performance and physical performance, 99% ֵ ӟ™ וֻ פև և , ִ֛ וֻ ׾ֵ֬ ָӛ ִ ׾ ӡ ָ ָ

, ֻ ָӛ ܵ ӡ, ֬ ֕ ӓ וֻ DC DDC ָ ֟ֆ י ָ ׮֤ פ, ִ ֮ ֵ וֻ ָ ָ ֮ 20 ןֿ֟ ׿ ֓ ָ 20 ןֿ֟, ֲ֤֮ 6 ןֿ֟, ׸ 3 ןֿ֟, ָ߲֤ 5 ןֿ֟ 10 ןֿ֟ ִ ָ Ϥ ֟ ֋ 42 ןֿ֟ ׻֋ ֱ ָָ וִָ ֟ , ֕ ָָ וִָ

ֱ ָ ָ ֮ ֵ ֮֕ן ֵ֤ ׻֋ ßֻ ֮ ִ֬ ֮֮ ָ ָ ֮ ֮ ֱ ֕ ָ ß׾ ֕ ָ ֙ ־ֿ ֻ֮ ׾ ֟ꅠ פ ֮ ß־ ִ ֻ , ֟ ,

, ׮ ָ ֮ , ־ָ ֮֮ ׻֋ ֳ ֤ ־ פ , ׾ ӡ ָ ֮ ꅠ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

ֳ֯ן : 0 00 ֻօ ֻ , ֯ ׻֋ ӓ ״֮֙ ִֵ

0 00 ֻ (ӕֲ) : ֳ֯ן , ߲ , ֛֛ ! ׻ֵ , ָ ָ , ױ ֛ ן !

ֳ֯ן : ֛ ן ֯ ו֋ ן

0 00 ֻ : ֛ ֟ ։ ו֮ ߕ ָ , ֛ ֮ ֲ ֟ ִֻ , ӟ ָ߲ , ֛-֛ וֻ וִ֮ ֮֬ - ֮ , , ׸ , ָ ꅠ 100 פ ָ ׻֋ ָָ ߴ , ָ ֓ ָ ։ , ִֻ ו ָ ֯ ֟ , և

֯ ֲ ֮֟ ֻ ָ ߴ ֮֟ , ֮֟ , ֮֟ ָ, employment, earning ָ߲ ֋ ָ ߴ ֮֟ , ָ ׿ֿ , ױ ִ , ֤ fade ֟ , ָ י י , ֲ ײֻ ֮ ָ וִָ  ָ, , BDO ָ, ֛ , ֲ ֮ 00 ִֵ ӓֵ֟ ָӓ֠ ָ , ֻֻ ָ ֻ և ִ , ֕׸ ߴ ߴ ֻ֮ ִ ؓ֟֋ ߮-ָ ו֮ ׻֋ ֮֯ ߴ ֮և , eligible , ׻Ù ֮, ֠ registration , ו , ִָ ִ ֻ ׻ֵ ֋ և י ֻ֟ ָ

('3k/sch' ָ ָ)

SCH/PB/5.15/3K

. ..ֻ (֟): ָ ևә ִ ״ֻ, ִ ׻֋ ןפ 100 ֵ ܾ֮ , 100 ֵ ָ ־ֵ ֋ ִ 70 ֵ 80 ֵ ״ֻ녠 ָ Ù ָָ , ָӓ Ӿ ֤ ֕ ֟ , ױ և ֱ ֮ , ״ּ ָ ֻ ֻ, , ׻֋ ָ ׻֋ 70 ֵ 80 ֵ , ߛ ߆ ߆, ꅠ ߕ ֋? ֌ ֮, ֣ , ֵ֮ , Ù ֮ ꅠ ׻֋ כ ױ ֲ-ֲ ָ , ו ָ ֯ ֳ ֻ ꅠ ִ ֮ ֻ ׿ ӲӬ פ , ֕ , ӡ ִי ׾֮֫ ֣ Ӿ ׌ , ӲӬ ֟ ֵ ֿ ׮ֻ

 , ֮ ׬ ß , ןפ ֮ ׬ ױ ߕ ֵ ׻֋ ֮ ֮ , frankly speaking, , ֯ ו֮֟ ד׽ ׻֟

ָ ֟ ߛ߆ Ùߙ֮ , ֮ ׬ ב և ָ ӟ ָ ӟ ֲֻ ֲ ָ ֲ ߓ , ־֮ ֮֟ , ױ ִ Ù , ׮ ߲ ߕ

ָ, ָӓ ߓ ־ָ Ùָ , ִ ֋ ו֮ פ ֮ , ׸ָ ױ , ꅠ ܵ ֟ ִ ߕ ֮ ִ֮ և, ֵ֮ ֕ ֿ߮ ֵ , ֿ߮ ֟ ָ פ ֋ ֤ ָ ״ּ ֻ ױ ֻ ָ ־ , ׻֋ ָ , ֲ ֣ ֋, ױ ֮֯ ָ פ ָ , օ ֯ ֟ ָ ד֋

ֲ ָ ָ ׮ֵӡ ֋ פ ׾ָ֓ ֵօ ִ֬ ׮ֻ ׻ֵ , ӡ ִ֮ ֮ ֟ ֿ օ כÙ ߴ , כÙ ָ, ӓ : , even in the most backward areas, there are colleges. ו֕ ״֌ ֻ և ֮֜ ֻ , ֋ , פ ׾ָ֓ ֵ ָ "֮֟ כ" "֮ כ" , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ײָ ֟ , ׻֋ ָ ֵ֤ Ӥ ֋ ֯ "֮ כ" ߴ ֮ , כÙ ӓ ֮ ָָ ߅ ו֕ ֯ ֻ ևיÙ ״Ù ״ֻ ֋, ևיױ ָ , ֻ ־ ָ ӓ ׌ֵ ִ ֋ ֿ , ֳ 녠 ֯ ӓ ׌ֵ ֮ , ִֻ ָ׸ִ ߮ ߮ ֯ ֮ כÙ , ׸ ֲ ֯ ָ ֵ ֵ ׻֋ , 50,000 30,000 ֵ ֮ , ߴ ֵ֤ ִ ֋ ָ ֯ ָ ִ , , ָ ֯ ׿ֵ֟ ָӓ ֟ , ֟ ֮֟ , ׻֋ ו̻ ֯ ӓ-ӓ ״ֻ ֮ , ו֮ ֯ every quarterly ֯ ׸ ֮և ֓ ׻֋ ֯ ֮ ָ׸ִ ꅠ - ׸֕ , ֻ , Ӿ , ֣ Ӿ ֮ Ù פֵ ֵ , ֲ ߕ ֵ֤ ֮ ֋ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

. ֵָ ֮־ (ִ-׮֤׿֟): ֳ֯ן , ֮־֤ ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן: ֯ ӓ ״֮֙

. ֵָ ֮־ : ָ, ߮ ״֮֙ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ օ ֲ ָ , ֮ ׾֮֫ ֿ֟ ӓ ״֮֙ ֮ ֛ ֟ ӓ ״֮֙ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ פ օ ֮ ָ ֓ ֻ ֮ ׮׿֟ ֮ ֮ ר߾ ָ֮ ׮ִ ֮ ֵ֮֮ , ֻ ִ ֮ ֮֟ ִֵ י ׮׿֟ ָ ֟ , ו֮ ִֵ-ִֵ ָ 滵 Ծ拿֮ ֤, י ׮ָ ֟ 3L/MCM ָ ָ

3l/5.20/skc-mcm

0 ֵָ ֮־ (֟) : ֮ ֻֻ ״ֵ ָ ֌ֆ ֟և , ׸ߙ , ֳ ӡ ֮֯ ִ ֲ ߕ Ù ָ ֵ֟ , Ù ֮ , ֮ ִ֟ ֮ ָ , ï֛ ߴ , ׻֋ Ù ָ ֻ֟ ֕ ׸ ֜ և, ֜ ִ Ù ׯ֔ , Ù ֵ Ù , ә ֵ , ָ ֲ ָ ׻֋ Ù ׯ֔ ׯ֔ ָ ֲ ׾פ ߴ ԟ ֋ִ ֢ וִָ Ù ָ ֲ Ù ֮ ָ ֋ִ ֢ ֟ ֮ ֟ ֟ ֟ ָ ָ ׻֋ Ù וִ ֻ ֵ ִ Ù ִ ָ ֻ ׮ִ ֟ և ֲ Ù ו֮ ֻ ׮ִ Ù ֻ ָ ׮֙ظ ׻֋ וִָ Ӆ ãև ־֢ ֻ ֵ ׮ִ ֵ , ߴ֮, ֵ ֮µ , , ָ , ָ ׻֋ ׮ִ ֵ ־֮֬ ָ ִ ֵ ֿ߮ ֵ ֵ֟ ָ ã֮ ֿ߮ , ו ָ ߴ ־֮ , ָ ֑֟ ִ ׾֮֕ ֵ ֵãֻ ָ ֆ ׻֋ ׾ֿ ׾֬֋ ֓ ׻֋ ֣ ׾֬ֆ ־ã և , ִ ™֟ օ ָ ׮ֵָ ָ ֕ã֮ ׻֋ ׾ֵ֮֯ ӡ ׮־ ֕ã֮ ָ ãן ִ֮ ֤, ֮ ׾ֿ ֤ ׮־ ֕ã֮ Ù, ֲ ֱ ߓ ֟ , ִ ֻ 6 וֻ פ ֋ , ӡ ָ ָ, ֲ וֻ ֜ ֟ ֋ ֕ã֮ ד֟ ״ֻ֮ ӡ ߴ ן ֮ , ָ ִ֟ , Ӿ ֟ ֣ ֈ ִֵ-ִֵ ָ ֌־ ֟ ֟ ߛ ֟ ׮־ ߴ ֣ ׻֋ ו֮֟ ־ ֤ ֋ , ָ ָև ߴ ֱ ֮֮ ϵ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, the Short Duration Discussion on National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme is over. The reply would be given by the Minister later. Now, the External Affairs Minister will make a statement. (Followed by 3m/5.25)

KSK/5.25/3M

STATEMENT RE. INDO-US CIVIL NUCLEAR CO-OPERATION

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE): Sir, I rise to share with this august House recent developments pertaining to the implementation of the understanding between India and the United States on the resumption of civilian nuclear energy co-operation. A reconciled Bill for this purpose was passed by the US House of Representatives and the Senate on 8/9th December, 2006.

This nuclear understanding with the USA is significant from the larger perspective of our energy security. Energy has become a critical constraint to expanding our economic growth and development. We have to expand our generating capacity in every form of energy. Presently, nuclear energy provides less than 3 per cent of our energy mix. Our current estimates envisage nuclear power generation of 30,000 MWe by 2022 and 63,000 MWe by 2032. The absence of international co-operation seriously constraints us from reaching these nuclear energy targets. India is today seriously pursuing several energy options including clean coal technologies, exploitation of coal bed methane and gas hydrates, wind as well as solar power. India can today expand its access to other forms of energy, relying on market mechanisms to do so. Our access to nuclear energy is impeded by an international regime and requires a political solution consistent with our national security and energy requirements.

The US Administration committed in the July 18 Joint Statement to adjust its laws that otherwise prohibited civil nuclear energy co-operation with India. Although the passage of any legislation is an internal matter of that country on which we would not otherwise comment, this legislation is an enabling measure necessary for civil nuclear energy co-operation to be worked out between India and the United States. Keeping that in mind, the enactment of waivers from certain provisions of the US Atomic Energy Act, which allows the US to co-operate with India in civilian nuclear energy despite our not accepting full scope safeguards and despite maintaining a strategic programme, is significant. We recognise the initiative that President Bush has taken to make these exceptions for India possible. We also note the bipartisan support that this initiative has garnered in the US Congress.

The legislation, that has been passed, is an enabling measure that will now allow US negotiators to discuss and conclude with India a bilateral co-operation agreement, which is popularly known as 123 Agreement. Such an agreement is a pre-requisite for nuclear co-operation and trade with the United States. In parallel, we are engaging the International Atomic Energy Agency with the intention of negotiating and concluding an India-specific Safeguards Agreement and an Additional Protocol. At a broader level, we have already been discussing with member States of the Nuclear Suppliers' Group (NSG) the need for an adjustment of their guidelines to permit transfers to India. We have briefed them collectively on various issues of mutual interest and look forward to their taking a decision on the adjustment of NSG guidelines at an appropriate time. We should bear in mind that while every stage of this process is important, the test of this process is for India to secure full civil nuclear co-operation with the international community while protecting our strategic programme and maintaining the integrity of our three-stage nuclear programme and indigenous research and development.

I would like to inform the House that the US Administration has categorically assured us that this legislation enables the United States to fulfil all of the commitments it made to India in the July 18 and March 2 Joint Statements and that this legislation explicitly authorises civil nuclear co-operation with India in a manner fully consistent with those two Statements. We fully expect the July 18 Statement and the March 2 Separation Plan to be reflected in the text of the 123 Agreement.

(continued by 3n)

SK/3n/5.25

SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE (CONTD.): In regard to the principles and concerns that guide our approach to the nuclear understanding, the Prime Minister had set forth the Government's position when he spoke to Parliament on August 17 2006. These principles and concerns continue to remain the basis for our engagement with the United States and the international community on the tasks ahead. I would also like to share with the House that the Government has taken note of certain extraneous and prescriptive provisions in the legislation. We have always maintained that the conduct of foreign policy determined solely by our national interests is our sovereign right. We have also been clear that our strategic programme remains outside the purview of these discussions. We will not allow external scrutiny of or interference with the strategic programme.

Eventually, our objective is that technology denial regimes that have targeted India for so many decades must be dismantled so that our national development is unimpeded. We are also committed to creating a climate where our scientists and technologists can participate in and contribute to international initiatives in various fields. We have taken a big step towards that goal and I am sure that this House would continue to support us in that endeavour. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir.

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, will we now have clarifications on it?

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: We will have it later on.

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: We will have a full discussion on it.

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Will we have a full discussion in this Session only?

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The BAC will decide that. It will be meeting day-after-tomorrow. (Ends)

MESSAGE FROM LOK SABHA

SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, I have to report to the House the following message received from the Lok Sabha, signed by the Secretary-General of the Lok Sabha.

" I am directed to inform you that Lok Sabha, at its sitting held on Tuesday, the 12th December, 2006, adopted the following motion regarding extension of time for presentation of the Report of the Joint Committee to examine the constitutional and legal position relating to office of profit:-

MOTION

" That this House do extend up to first day of the last week of Budget Session, 2007, the time for presentation of the report of the Joint Committee to examine the constitutional and legal position relating to office of profit.".

Sir, I lay a copy on the Table.

(Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The House stands adjourned to meet tomorrow at 11.00 a.m.

*******

The House then adjourned at thirty-three minutes past

five of the clock till eleven of the clock on

Wednesday, the 13th December, 2006.

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