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֕߾ ㌻ (֟) : ֕ ֤ ֤õ ה ֲ ֤ ֟ , ֟֋ ׻֋ ֟ ֻ ָ ֤ ֤õ, ֟ , ִ ֟ , ֲ ֤ פ ִ֮ ֛ ָ פ - ϵ ֵ , ָ , ֕֋ ֻ֮ ײ֮ ֮֋ ... (־֮֬) ... ֮ ֵ֛ ִև, ߕ ֱ 150 וֻ ֋, 200 וֻ ... (־֮֬) ...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Let him speak. You can reply when your turn comes...(Interruptions).

֕߾ ㌻ : ֮ ֛ ׻֋, ֮ ָ , ϵ ֋, ִ֟ ִ ֵԯ ֮־ָ, ™ ӡ ִֻ ߬-߬ ѓ-: ־

ֲ ִ transparency ִֵ , ִ ָٿ֟ ֮ , ו֮֟ ׿ֵ֟, , ו֮ ֕ , ִ ׌ֵ ֵ֮ , ִֵ ָ ߴ ߓ ָָ ׬ָ ִ Ϭ֮ ״ֻ ֛כ ׻֋ transparency ִֵ ׻֋ ־ã ־ monitoring agency ֋, district level ָ ִ monitoring agency follow-up report ֲ ָ֟ ֕ ָָ ֟ ֟ ֕ ָָ ָև ׻֋ , ֮־ָ, rural development ׻֋ וֻ ֮և և , וִ ֯ߕ ֬ כÙ וÙ ꅠ ֮ ־ 6 ֻ ָ ؙ ֵ ֵօ , ꌙ rural development ֲ-ֲ ֲָ֟ , ׻֋ ֟ ִ ֛כ ׻֋ ֮, ֮֋, ו ߮, ߮, ߮ ߮ ָ accountability ֋х

ָ ׿ֵ֟ ֛ ָ - פ ֛ ֮֟ ֛ -- 15 פ ֟ ߅ 15 פ ֛ , ָ ָ߲ ֤ ꌙ ߻ ßָ ָ ָ-ָ ֙ ֙ ãן ֮

ָ important ߕ ӡ ־ Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme ׸ Ѿ permanent assets create ׿ֿ ָ ִ ׸ և ֋ ãև ֋ꅠ ִ permanent assets ִ ֮֮, ӓֵ֟ ָ ֮֮ ִִ ָ ָ֟ ָ ֮֮, ִ׵ ָ ֮֮ ִ ֮֮, ָ ִ, ו֮ permanent assets, ãև ִעֵ ֮ , ִ ӡ

Awareness level ֟ և ߅ ֵ֛ ײֻ ֟ awareness ׻֋ ֮֟ ֛օ ׻֋ ֺ , ֓ ־ פ ֋ ֮ ִ ׻֋ Ѿ פ ֵ, ױ ִ ӓֵ֟ ִ Ϭ֮ ֵָ ֓ ־ , ֻܵ ӡ

ִ ֟ ߋ ߛ߆, directly execute, implement ׻֋ וִָ ָ ֲ ֤ ׿ֵ֟ ֲ ߱ ״׮Ù ֣ , ֕ ָָ ֣ ߋ ߛ߆ ߬-߬ ׸ ֋, Ѿ ׸ , 200 וֻ , ָ ߴ ֜, ָ ֋߅ ָ ֮ ׻֋ Ù ֵ֮, ׿ ֋߅

֟ և ִ פ ֻܵ ָ ָָ ו֮֟ , ׿ֿ , ָ ָָ ִ 90 ןֿ֟ , ֕ ָָ ֱ 10 ןֿ֟ - , ֮־ָ ӿ ֲ ֤ ֮֟, mathematics ָ by his joining politics, I think we have lost one of the finest professors of mathematics in the country. ֟ ֤ ֲ-ֲ ֮ ֺ ... (־֮֬) ... Rural development is more important than the Finance Ministry.

֮־ָ, ִ ֟ և ֺ ֛߅ ֺ ׻֋ ֛ ׿ֵ֟ ֮֕ן ֛ - ֕ , ָ ָָ ָ ֕ , ָ ָָ ׸ և , ָ ָָ ״ֻ , ִ ֳ ֕ ִ ָ֤֟ ׿ֵ֟, - ֜ , ֲ ֕ ָ , ֬ Ϥ ֤ ׿ֵ֟ , ָӛ , ֕ã֮ , ֜ , ֜ ...

(2 ָ ֿ:)

2U/SK-HMS-4.05

֕߾ ㌻ (֟) : ֜ , ײָ ָӓֻ ׿ֵ֟ , ׿ֵ֟ , ָ™ , ֬ Ϥ ָ Ϥ ֤ ׿ֵ֟ ס֯ ֱ ׿ֵ֟ ׻֋ , ֳ ֕ - ָָ ֟ ֬ Ϥ ֕ã֮ ߴ ָ ׾ֿ ֮ օ ֵ֛ Ӭ Ϥ ֻ֮ ߮ օ , ߮ ׻ , 'In this context, recent efforts in Andhra Pradesh deserve to be closely observed. It is not just that the Government of Andhra Pradesh has taken pioneering steps to prevent corruption under the NREGS, such as the payment of wages through post offices and designing of sophisticated online reporting system. There have also been interesting public initiatives to mobilise NREGS workers and involve them in the monitoring process'. ֟ , ֜ ׻ֵօ ߮ ׸ ָ ׻ Ӭ Ϥ 98 ָ awareness , ֻ ֋ , correct օ ߕ ߴ ֻ פօ ׾ִ֮ ׮־ ֲ ָ™ 77 , 6 ֻ ֢ ִֻ֯ ״׮Ù , ֻ ֻ ֋, ֯ 6 ֻ ֋ ֯ ֻ ֯ -- ֮ introspection ֯ 6 ֻ ֻ ?

ָ ֟, ָ ָ֕ օ ָ ָ֕ ߱ ״׮Ù ֮ ֋, ֛, ָ 00 ֮ 00 00 ֮ ֟ ֋Ӆ ָ ֯ ֮ , ֯ ߴ ָ ߴ ֋ ֮־ָ, ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֟ ߴ Ù ߴ ֟ פ ֲ ϓָ Ù ߴ ֬ Ϥ ֻ֟ ֯ ֮ ֆ, 00 ֆ ֻ , ߴ Դָ֤֮ ֟ֆ ? ֮־ָ, ׮ִֵ ֟֟ ߴ Դָ֤֮ ߴ Դָ֤֮ , , ֆ ֟ ֮־ָ, ֲ 000 ־֮Դ ִ ֤ ֕ ִ ߴ , ֻ֤߮ ֵ֬ ִ ָ ߴ ? ָ ֯ע , ֯ "ָ ָ " ߬ ֟ ֲ , ֲ ִ ָ ָ ָ֕

ֵָ : ָ ֯ ֤օ

֕߾ ㌻ : ִ ֤ ֮֋ ֤ ֯ ִ , ׻֋ ֯ ֣ , ֯ ֤֕ Ӥ֮ , ׻֋ ֯ ֮֟ֆ , ֯ ֮־ ?

֮־ָ, ֕ ֵ֮օ " ֣, ִ ֤ ֣" ֕֋ " ֣ ׾֑֟օ" ֟ ָ ִ ֤ ׻֋ ָ ֮֋ ֵ, ִ ֤ ׻֋ ָ ִֵ ָ ߴ , Ӿ ֤ ָ ׻֋ ָ ִִ ֮֋ ױ , "000 ֣, ֻ ֣" ָ 㰟 פ, disinvestment פօ ָ ֻ ָ ֯ ָ ֮ֆ, ָ ֮֋ ֯ , "׾֑֟" " ֻ ֣, ֯ ֣օ" ָ ֮֮ slanging match ָ ֯ ߓ , ֲ ָ ִ ֤ ָ߲ ֤ ׻֋ ָ ָ ֮ ָ

֮־ָ, ָ ״֡ ֤ ׾ֵӟָ פ օ ֙ ָ ָ ֋ ָ Ϥ ָ ֢ ָָ , օ ִ ׻֋ , ֟ , þ֟ ִ ֵ֤ , ָ ֢

(2 ֻ/000 ָ ֿ:)

2W/klg-YSR/4.10

֕߾ ㌻ (֟) : ֟ , ָָ ָ֟ ׿ֿ ָ ֯ ָ ֟ ֮֯ ֢ פ, ֢ ִ ֯ , ֮ ִ ֯ ױ ֢ ִ ֯ ֢ , ָ ִ , ָ ֢ ׾ ָ ׾ , ָ ֢ - ׾ .. (־֮֬) , ֯?

0 ֺ : ֵ ֱ 40 ֻ ֮֯ ֟ , ֋ӯִֵֻ ֕ .. (־֮֬)

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: You are still discussing unemployment. (Interruptions)

֕߾ ㌻ : ָ ֕ unemployment discuss ..(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Mr. Shukla, you please talk about your point. (Interruptions) Mr. Shukla, you talk about your point. (Interruptions)

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Forget America, talk about India. (Interruptions)

SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA: Unemployment is a perpetual problem. Even you could not solve it in Uttar Pradesh. (Interruptions)

SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE: You talk about your point.

SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA: Unemployment is a permanent problem.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sir, he is a permanent person who is always commenting on everybody, on every Government, etc. Please stick to your subject. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA: Why don't you ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE: Mr. Shukla, you talk about your point.

SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA: Madam, you are prodding me. I am not ..(interruptions).. You are commenting on me. If somebody accuses my Government or somebody accuses my party, I have to reply. You can't deprive ...(Interruptions)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): You put your point. (Interruptions) You have only three minutes' time left. (Interruptions) You place your point. (Interruptions)

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Why are they interfering, Sir? (Interruptions)

0 ִ ӛָ : - , ׸ֻ

֕߾ ㌻ : ׸ֻ , ֕ ֵ ׸ֻ

ߴ֟ ֵ ֮֓ : ֯ ֕ ܟֵָ

SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE: He is addressing the Chair. (Interruptions) You please continue. You have only three minutes left.

֕߾ ㌻ : ֳ֬ , ֱ ָ ևә Ù ևә ־֮Դ õ ֛ ִ-ӓֵ֟ 50 ןֿ֟ ִ פ ֵ פ ֵ? ә ׾֮֕ , , כÙ ꌙ ׻֋ ׻֋? Ùֱ 15 פ Ӥ ֛ ֮֮ , ֛ ֵ֮ ֵ֮ 15 פ Ӥ ֵ ֵ? ָ ֟ ָ ִֻ֯ ״׮Ù õ

֣, ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE: Now, Mr. Lalit Kishore Chaturvedi; you have six minutes. Please conclude within ten minutes. Please stick to the time.

׻֟ ֟ (֕ã֮) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ™ߵ ִ ָ ָ ֮ ... ָָ ֮ כ-כ ֵ֕ , ו ִֵ ß ֵ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ִ ֻ -ָ ײ֮ ֮֟ , ו֮ ֯ ֮ , ֯ ֟ ָ֮ ֋߅ ֮ 1974 þ ׸ ߅ ֲ , ָ™ ױ ָ ִ֟ ָ ָ ֮ ִ ֮ ָ , וִ 60 ןֿ֟ ֤֕ 40 ןֿ֟ ִ, ׾ֵ օ ֳ ִ׮֟ ֤õ ֮֟ Ӥ ӟٮ ׾ֳָ , ִ ? , ָ ֮֯ ӟٮ ׾ָ ֟ ִ֯ օ ز֤ Ӳָ , ֯

֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , -֛ ״ֻ ֋, ׻֋, , ָ ״ֻ? ־ֻ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮֮ ־ֻ ֵ ָ Ͽ ܵ 157, 2 ß, 2006 ֵ օ ־ֲ ֵ֟ ֵ 2,19,77,553 -֛ ָ ֋ 68,86,729 ָ פ ֋ פ ִ ָ֜ , ו ָ 2,54,73,820 -֛ ָ 2x/ ָ

AKA-VKK/2X/4:15

׻֟ ֟ (֟) : ִ ָ פ ֵ 83,05,930 ꅠ ןև ֛ ָ֬ ָ ִ פ ֵօ ֵ ִ ׯ֮ ꅠ ֓ և ֣Ԯ ֡ , ׻֟օ ֯ ֮֟ ִ ֮֟ , ֓ ևԅ ӡ , ؜ ߙ ? ןև ֛ ״ֻ֮ ֻ ָ ֲֻ , ֯ ָ ֕ ֳ ֙ ָ 2 ß פ ֵ ָ , ו ָ ״ֻ ֵ? 15 פ ֮֯ ֵ ֮ ׸֮ ֯ , ־ ֯ ֮ ™ ֮ , ָ ָ partially unemployed ָ ֻ ֯ 365 פ 100 פ ָ , ׌ 265 פ ֋? ֯ ָ߲ ãֵ Ӭ ָ ׾ָ֓ ׸ ֯ ׮־ ֿ ϟָ ֯ ꅠ ָ߲ ߓ ֵ ו֮ ֵ 12,500 ֋ ן פ 60, 70 ֋ ״ֻ֟ ֻ ״ֻ 6,000 7,000 ֋ ֟ ֯? ֮ ָ ? ֯ 12,500 ֋ ֵ , ֵ ָ߲ ߓ ֻ , ָ ָ ֯ ׌ 6,000 7,000 ֋ ! ֯ ׸ָ ָ߲ ָ ֋, , ָ, ֮ ֋Ӆ ֯ ׮־ ־ ֵ ֟ ֚ ָ , וִ֮ 75 ןֿ֟ Ӿ ׿ ָ 6 ָ ָ ֯ 200 וֻ 4 ֤ ꅠ ֛ ֮ ֮ ? 3 ïױ ֮֮ߵ ӡ 4 ָ , ֛ 3 ֮ ןև ֯ ָ ֮? ֮ , ָ߲ ֯ ?

- ֵ Ӿ ָ֮ ־ ָ Ϥ וֻ 60 ֤ ָ ߴ ָ֮ , ׸ ֜ וֻ ֻ 52 ֤ ָ֮ , ֬ Ϥ ߬ וֻ 30 ןֿ֟ ֮ ָ֮ ָ ָ֮ , ׸ִ ׻ֵ ֮֯ - ֛ ֮ ֮, ִ ֮ ״ֻ? ֯ ֣Ԯ ֡ ֓ , ײֻ , , ׻֟ ֚ ™ߵ ѱ ָ Ϥ , ִ և ׻֟֯ וֻ ־ߵ פ Ӿ և ָ ߴ פ ֋օ ֆ ־ ׻֋ , ן ׾ֿ ׻֋ ׻֋ ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ׮־ ָ֮ ֯ ו֋ , Ӥ և ָߵ ֮֟ ־ , ׸ , ֯ ׳֕־ օ ('2y/sch' ָ ָ)

SCH/RSS/4.20/2Y

׻֟ ֟ (֟): ־ 200 וֻ 124 וֻ ™ָ֓ ֟ ָ և ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֟ ֮ ו֮ ִ ״ֻ ֵ, , ֯ ָ ָ ߴ ׻ ָ ֢ פ ֋, ֮֯ ָ ֕ ָָ ָ ֻ פօ ֲ ֕ ָָ ֟ ֯ ֛ ֻ ו֮֟ ׬ ӟָ , פ ֮ ֢ ֛, ֕ ָָ ? ֮ ׸׻Ù

֮֮ߵ ㌻ ָ ָ ֤õ օ ׮ִ ֵ ׻֋ 60% ̤֕ ֟ և , ԟ 60% ̤֕ ׻֋ 40% ׻֋ ־ֿ ִ֮ ׻֋ ? ׮ִ ӡ ״ֻ , ֓և ӡ ״ֻ , ㌻ ֻ ֋ ױ ָ ֋ ֲ ָ֟ ֋, ָ ״ּ ֋߅ ֯ ֟ ָ ׾ָ֓ ׸ ָ ֯ ֮ ֱ ֮֮ ׸̻ , ָ֮ ִ ™ ֮ , ֮֜ օ þֵ ֚ ...(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Mr. Chaturvedi, please conclude. Your time is over.

׻֟ ֟: , ֯ ֮֟ ׮־ , օ ָ ֕ ָָ ִ , ֲ ֕ ָָ ִ ֮ ׬ ֵ ָ ֢ ֛ , ֮ ִ ™ ִ פ, ֕ ִ פօ ָ ִ ו י֕ , ָ ֯ , ֮ ?

ֵ֤ ֯ ֮ ϴ Կá ׾־ ֵָ ֋ , ֮֯ ֮ ֮և , ׻֋ 2,08,000 ֵ ־ֿ ָ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֮ ֋, ָ ָ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֟ ׮־ פ (և ) ׻֋ ֯ ֯ ׸ ׮ֿ֟ ׸ (և ) , ز֤ ...(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): You have already taken more time.

SHRI LALIT KISHORE CHATURVEDI: Even then, I am giving separate points only. ׮ִ ֵ ֮ ״ֻ , ׮־ ֲ ׮ִ ֵ ָ , ִ ׻֋ 50 ׮ִ ֵ ׻֋ ־ ܵ 50 , 50 ܵ ָ ִ ״ֻ ֟ , ֮ ׮ִ ֵ ׻֋ ꅠ ִ ֵֻ ֟ ִ פ ֟ , þֺ ֟ ױ ֟ ָ ֢ ꅠ ֕ ָָ ? Ͽ׮ ֵ , ֮֯ 2% ֯ ׸, ֮֯ 6% Ͽ׮ ֓ ׿ֿ ? ㌻ ָ ߛ߆ , ִ- , ָ , Ù , Ù , 2% Ͽ׮ ֵ ָ

ןִ ֟ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ օ ֮֯ ִ ӓֵ֟ ִ פ, ㌻ ׿ֵ֟ ו , ֮֯ ׿ֵ֟ - ִ ӓֵ֟ פ ִ , ߻ ׸ ևԅ ֟ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ ߻ ָ ֋ ׮¯֤ ָ , ãֆ ָ ֋ ֮ ־ֿ

ӟ ֯ ׮־ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ֮ , ֻ ֮ ֻ֮ ־ֿ ֯ ׸, ״ִ֮ և, ׮֙ظ ׸, և ו ָ ֮ ֮ , 100 פ ִ ֟ ֻև, 200 פ ֋ ֯ ֟ ؓ֟ MCM./2Z ָ ֿ:

-SCH-MCM-TMV/2Z/4.25

׻֟ ֟ (֟) : ֟ ָ ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֿ ֮ , ׾ָ֓ ֮ ןֈָ ߙ ֵ , ֵ׮֟ ꅠ ׮־ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ (ִ֯)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Shri Gandhi Azad. You have three minutes. You can take five minutes. You complete within five minutes.

Ӭ ֤֕ (ָ Ϥ) : ֮־֤ ֳ֬ , ™ߵ ִ ָ ֮ וֻ ָ, 2006 ֲ և ָ߲ և ֻ 365 פ ָָ 100 פ ָ ָ ִ֟ ֤֕ 60 ֋ ֮ ֤֕ ֱ ߅ ֣ ֛ , ֿ ׮ָֿ ״ֻ, ֵ׮֟ ֳ וֻ 100 פ ָ ״ֻ ֵօ ִ֟ 60 ֋ ֤֕ ״ֻ Ϥ ֻ 30-35 ֵ ״ֻ ׿ָ ֤֕ ָ ֲ ™ָ֓ ֤֕ ׮־ֻ ֮߮ ִ օ ӓֵ֟ ֛ ֮֮ ָ ׸֟ ָ ִֵ ָ ֤֕ ֮֟ ֵ ׻֋ ֤֕ ָ ֿ ׮ָֿ ֤ և ָ ָ ָ ֮ ֳ פ ָ߲ ֮ ֻ Դָ֤֮ ֺ ׻֋ ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֯ ֿ֌ ֮ ֺ ָָ ֲ ™ߵ ִ ָ ָ ֮ ָ߲ Ӭ ֋ ִ ד֟ ߴ֟ ״ֻ߅ ָָ ֤ ָ ֻ ָָ ׸ ֮ ӡ , ָ ִֺӤ ָ ֳ ״ֻ ׻֋ ֯ ׮־ ָָ ָ ׮ ֮ ֺ ֳ ״ֻ

֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֯ ֮֮ ֮ ֵ֮֮ ִ ֵֻ֮ ֿ և ߅ ֮ ֵֻ֮ ֮ ןֿ֟ և , ֵ ֮֟ ? ֣ ֣ ִ֮ ־ã ׿ָ ָ֤֟ ״߮ ד֟ ן ד֟ ֮֕ן ֮ ֤ ֮ ןֿ֟ ד֟ ן ד֟ ֮֕ן ָ ָ֜ , ֮֟ ™ ? ӡ , ֮֟ ִ֟ ׮֬׸ ֤֕ 60 ֋ ֳ Ϥ ״ֻ ? פ ״ֻ ָָ ׻֋ ָָ ֵ ? : ֿ , ӡ , ֯ ָ ֨ӟ ....... (3A ָ ֿ:)

SC/VK/4.30/3A

Ӭ ֤֕ (֟) : ֨ӟ פ ֻ ָָ ֵ ֨ӟ ֟ , ָ ֟ ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֯ ו Ϥ ֟ , ִ ֟ , ׻֋ ֯ ֿ , ָ ֯ ֨ӟ ֻ-ִ ֮ ָָ ֵ ֺ ֿ ׾ ֣, ֮ ֟ ׾ִָ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (ANDHRA PRADESH): Sir, during 1980, I was a Sarpanch of a village. I was working as a Sarpanch. In those days, we used to have a programme called National Rural Employment Programme, NREP. The Gram Panchayats used to select the work and it was approved at the block level and we used to get the activity done in the village. Thereafter, a programme called Rural Landless Employment Guarantee Programme, RLEGP was taken up. The entire programme was funded by the Central Government. Subsequently, the programme was converted into Employment Assurance Scheme, EAS and later on into Jawahar Rozgar Yojana, JRY. During the regime of NDA, there was the National Food-for-Work Programme. The money involved is the same but the name of the programme was changed. There is nothing new. The only underlining factor is, they wanted to give a legal status to the programme. I would like to read the assurance given to the people. Of course, it was a post-poll alliance. The National Common Minimum Programme of the UPA Government says, "The UPA Government will immediately enact a National Employment Guarantee Act. This will provide a legal guarantee for, at least, 100 days of employment to begin with on asset-creating public works programme every year..." I don't know whether you are allowing people to create assets in villages. The hon. Minister has to explain it. It further says, " At minimum wages for at least one able-bodied person in every rural, urban poor and lower middleclass household." This is the promise made to the people after coming to office. What exactly is happening now? Nearly half of your tenure is over. You initially confined to 150 districts. Now the number is increased to 200 districts. I will straightaway come to my own State, Andhra Pradesh, wherein you had initially selected 9 districts and thereafter increased to 13 districts. I would like to cite the example of one district, that is the Chief Minister's own district, Cuddapah. Here the money sanctioned was Rs. 13 crores and the money spent was Rs. 2 crores. The total number of job cards issued to the people is 42,40,713. The work created on paper is for 7,55,000 people. There is a saying in my area that these job cards are in the hands of the middlemen. They are using them as ATM cards. Whenever money is required, they go to the Post Offices and draw the money. There is total mismanagement. There are a number of complaints. False muster rolls are being created. This was raised in the meeting of the District Planning Board. Then some inquiry was ordered. But no report has come out so far. We would like to request the hon. Minister to see that, at least, there is some mechanism to oversee the programme and there is redressal of complaints. I am thankful to Shri Narayanasamy for mentioning this. For a moment, I thought that he was speaking from this side. According to him, Rs. 20/- are being charged, but according to me, Rs. 40/- are being charged. They were asked to open accounts in Post Offices. But there is no photograph on that. Anybody can go there and draw the money. Is it practically possible for a person who is illiterate to go to a Post Office after one week or ten days to draw the money? For doing that, he has to forego one full day. (Contd. by 3B)

RG/4.35/3B

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (contd.): Please simplify the programme and see to it that it reaches the targeted people.

Coming to the local bodies, -- I am thankful to my party that I could also serve in the Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly -- in those days, when we were Sarpanchs in villages, we used to execute the work through the Gram Panchayats; no middlemen were there. Nowadays it has become a role model that only people, who are close to the ruling party or who work for the ruling party, would get work in the villages. This is the order of the day. There should be a check on this. I would like to know from the hon. Minister regarding complaints that have received. He should take some pains of explaining the details of the complaints received State-wise, the redressal of it and the action taken on them. Is there any provision to recover the money?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): The time is very short. Please come to the point.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: I am only touching upon the points. I am not making speeches.

Sir, there are written answers in this august House. My good friend, Shri M.V. Mysura Reddy, had put a question and the Government came out with figures and facts regarding the non-spending of money, and that too, the monies released to the States. Sir, to tell you about the job cards, in all, 3,19,79,000 job cards were issued in the country. But how much employment has been provided! Only one-third of the people have been provided with employment. If this is the status, then, there should be an evaluation of the programme. We should not use it just for publicity purpose, or, for that matter, just to get votes from the people, but it should be practically implemented. It should be useful to the nation. After all we are pooling money with contributions made by every individual of our country. So, looking at all the promises they have made in their NCMP -- due to paucity of time, I am not reading it out -- and all that they have listed out as their one-year's achievement, they have only gone back on their promises and they have not kept their word. So, the programme needs a total evaluation. The programme needs a detailed fresh look. And, while simplifying the procedure, there should be a mechanism for addressing the complaints. Thank you, Sir.

(Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Dr. Gyan Prakash Pilania. You have been allotted six minutes.

DR. GYAN PRAKASH PILANIA (RAJASTHAN): Sir, I am grateful to you for your kind indulgence. I rise neither to criticise nor to censure, but to commend and compliment this very important and a historic and unique legislation, the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme which, for the first time, in some way, recognises the Right to Employment of the common man, the poorest of the poor, the villager, the farmer and the unemployed man, sitting in Asli Bharat. It was a great step forward, and we can call it a beacon light. It was a national consensus which prompted the Government to bring this legislation. This is a matter which should be discussed, rising above party lines, and everybody should make a very sincere effort that this scheme must succeed. If this does not succeed, it will be a dark day for the nation. There are many lapses, many shortcomings, which have been pointed out, which I am very sure would deserve the utmost kind consideration and attention of the hon. Minister. I come from a very backward State, a poor State, the biggest desert State of the country, having the largest land area of 10.4 per cent; I am speaking of Rajasthan. The population is 5.6 per cent of the nation, and the cattle population is the largest, but the surface water share, which Rajasthan has got, is only 1.16 per cent of the country. (Continued by 3C)

3c/4.40/ks

DR. GYAN PRAKASH PILANIA (CONTD.): We have 12 desert districts out of a total of 32, covering 61.11 per cent of the total area of the State. Sir, I am putting before you my plight in a straightforward manner because I have here a very general and kind Minister in the form of Shri Raghuvansh Prasad Singh who has had on many occasions lauded the effort of the State Government in implementing this very important piece of legislation in right earnest.

(MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN IN THE CHAIR)

I would like to put Shri Shukla also on the right lines by saying that Rajasthan is not one of those States which, you can say, has been tardy in the implementation of this scheme. The hon. Minister will bear witness to what I am saying.

I would like to seize this occasion, my dear Sir, to bring to the notice of the hon. Minister that some kind of injustice has been done to the Rajasthan State in the coverage of districts. Out of 32 districts of Rajasthan, only six have been undertaken in this scheme, while according to the rationale or the guidelines laid down, counting the SC population, the ST population, per capita income, average wage of an agricultural labourer and the total productivity of agriculture in Rajasthan, we should have been given more districts. As the hon. Minister is a doyen of mathematics, I would like to put certain statistics for his kind consideration.

The total population of SCs and STs in Rajasthan is 29.8 per cent, while Andhra Pradesh has 22.8 and Maharashtra has 19.1. I am just illustrating the injustice which has been done. In Rajasthan, the per capita income is Rs.15,485, while, in Andhra Pradesh, it is Rs. 20,757 and, in Maharashtra, it is Rs. 29,204. In spite of all this, in Rajasthan only six districts have been covered out of 32, while Andhra Pradesh, 13 out of 23; Maharashtra 12 out of 35; Bihar, 28 out of 38 districts. As far as the average employment demand is concerned, the hon. Minister will like to know that, in Rajasthan, for six districts, the demand was 12.47 lakhs, which, per district, comes to 2.08 lakhs as compared to Andhra Pradesh where the average for a district was 1.63 lakhs only; Maharashtra, where it was 0.33 lakhs only; and, Bihar, where it was 0.31 lakhs only. Looking to the generosity of the hon. Minister and his inclination to be just and fair, I will put forward a request again that now when a new dispensation is done, Rajasthan should get its due share in the total cake.

As far as the total scheme is concerned, I would not repeat the points, but I would like to point out one thing very specifically that until and unless regular monitoring machinery is laid down and a social audit is done, an audit by the people, and until and unless this scheme is made a people's movement, a kind of lok jumboori, a kind of salaab, we would not succeed. This is very, very important. And there is need for evaluation...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please conclude.

SHRI GYAN PRAKASH PILANIA: I will just stop, Sir. There is need for provision of facilities at worksites. There is need for removing the lack of awareness. There is need for adequate provision of administrative cost, as was pointed out by Shri Lalit Kishore Chaturvedi; in stead of two per cent which is so meagre, it must, at least, be six per cent. Otherwise, there wont be people to look after this scheme.

As far as the Gram Sabha is concerned, it must be strengthened; it must be made a kingpin in the whole scheme. Otherwise, the scheme would not go down to the people.

(Contd. by 3d/tdb)

TDB/3D/4.45

DR. GYAN PRAKASH PILANIA (CONTD.): It won't have roots in the soil. And, as far as women are concerned, they need a place under the Sun. I know, Shri Raghuvansh Prasad Singhji has always been generous to womankind, and he will take care of it.

One point is very important, Sir. Uniform minimum wages for 8-hour works should be enforced throughout the country on a uniform scale. There may be more, it is all right. But, uniformity, at least, must be there. And last, not the least, there should be transparency, and there should be accountability. I know, these things are in the mind of the hon. Minister, but I just wanted to pinpoint them. Sir, I think that if all this is done, then, this Scheme will be a real scheme for daridranarain, for aam admi and for asli Bharat. And, that is what is the dream of all of us, that is the dream of all the parties and that is the dream of this august House. Thank you very much, Sir. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Hon. Members, now the time allocated to all the political parties and others is completely over. The hon. Minister has to go for a meeting of the Members of Parliament, which he has called. The hon. Minister has to complete his reply before that. Then, there is a statement by the Minister of External Affairs also. There are another six hon. Members who want to speak on this. I would request them not to take more than three minutes, so that we can conclude the discussion, and also have the reply of the hon. Minister today. Now, Shri K.P.K. Kumaran.

SHRI K.P.K. KUMARAN (TAMIL NADU): Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme is one of the most compassionate poverty alleviation schemes introduced in free India. The most salient feature of this Scheme is that it couples compassion with productivity. The aim of the Scheme is to provide for the enhancement of livelihood security of the householders in rural areas. True to this, the Scheme provides, at least, 100 days of guaranteed wage employment, in every financial year, to every household whose adult members volunteer to do unskilled manual work. Thus, this Act aims at achieving social justice and economic justice as well as creating durable assets and strengthening the livelihood resource base of the rural poor. To do justice to the word 'rural', the authority for planning the schemes and implementing them has been vested in the Panchayati Raj Institutions. All the three tiers are made equally responsible, and the Gram Sabhas have been given a lot of authority and responsibility. It depicts the importance of mass base of this Scheme. Sir, what we have to see now is whether this Scheme has yielded the desired results so far. Let us look at some of the complaints that are heaped on this Scheme. Firstly, the registration responsibility is now being entrusted with the Panchayat Union. The Union officials register only one individual's name per household which is against the provisions of the Act. Schedule II of the Act, in sections 1 and 2, ordains the registering authorities in unequivocal terms that all the adult members of every household who are willing to do unskilled manual work should be registered. So, the public should insist that the names of more than one person, per household, should be listed, which is a legally approved process. If the public are not aware of such a provision, they should be enlightened. Not only the public, even the Panchayati Raj officials need such an enlightenment.

Sir, not only the above-mentioned single provision of the Act, but also the whole of the Act is being kept beyond the knowledge of the public. So, an intensive publicity campaign is needed.

Sir, another complaint is about the choice of the season by the implementing authorities to undertake the works. They only want to choose the season in which there is a heavy demand for daily wage labourers due to agricultural operations. At this time, even those who have registered for the Scheme would prefer to do their traditional work. Then, in this case, it is alleged that the officials record remarks to the effect that the registered persons are not prepared to join the workforce and forward to the higher authorities proposals for scrapping the scheme. This is against the spirit of the legislation. So, this allegation needs further investigation and rectification.

Sir, another common complaint is about the mode of payment of wages. It is alleged, again, that the officials insist on effecting the payment through banks, which is not possible for the rural unemployed poor. This is against the provision of the Act. It needs further investigation and rectification. Sir, a more serious allegation is that machines are creeping in their way into the works through contractors. Both of these culprits, i.e., machines and contractors are forbidden by the Act. In Schedule I, para 11, it is stated, "The Scheme shall not permit engaging any contractor for implementation of the projects under it." (Contd. by 3e-kls)

KLS/3e-4.45

SHRI K.P.K. KUMARAN (CONTD): Sir, para 12 reads, 'as far as practicable, the task funded under the scheme shall be performed by using manual labour and not machines.' All the works that are listed under the scheme are capable of being executed wholly by manual labour or partly by manual labour and partly by bringing into service machines. If the former method is used it may involved a few hundred man days whereas the latter method will finish off the entire matter in a single day. In short, mechanised operation of such manual labour oriented schemes will subvert the spirit of scheme itself. Hence this hidden enemy should be rooted out at the earliest. The present rate of wage is fixed as Rs. 80/- per day. This may look very meagre when compared to the wages fixed for organised labour. But to be fair this rate is not utterly bad for the unskilled, unorganised sector that too in rural areas. But the real problem is that there is a ceiling in the matter of number of days per year per household irrespective of the number of persons registered in a family. This has been fixed at 100 days per year. This should be greatly increased. (Time-bell) Before concluding, I have to mention that in Tamil Nadu only six districts have been chosen for Phase-I. I request that more districts in Tamil Nadu may be selected in the Phase-II so that the rural poor in our State may also benefit from this excellent scheme. Thank you. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shri Keshava Rao. You have only five minutes. ...(Interruptions)... Five minutes, not more than five minutes. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI K. KESHAVA RAO (ANDHRA PRADESH): Sir, I was wondering my maiden speech should pinch my conscience so much that I should speak for five minutes. ...(Interruptions)... Nonetheless if Chair wants it ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Is this your maiden speech?

SHRI K. KESHAVA RAO: Although I have spoken my words in wilderness during busy hours. Nonetheless Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, with all regards and respect to the Chair let me confess that I am not rising here with some kind of a prepared note ignoring reaction to the dogmatic approach that my friends have taken, more so, my friend who has been a former Rural Development Minister. He has been my colleague and so is my other very learned colleague who is from the TDP. They are witnessing a great revolution that is taking place, the interest that has started generating. First of all, let us understand that the scheme that we are talking about, as one of the friends here said, is not one man scheme, it is a people's scheme. It is not first time that we are trying to take up a scheme like this. We had not more than one, we had eight schemes which were of public schemes. Maharashtra you talked about, you talked about Rajiv Gandhi Yojana. All these schemes had come. What exactly new? Let not my advocate friend from TDP say that it has just brought in a new element of legality into it, a statutory backing. A statutory backing is what the society today wants. It is a crime to be born poor in this country and curse to be born. What exactly a poor man wants is, some kind of mechanism, a back up mechanism, which can guarantee him, which can monitor and tell him that this particular machinery is in place that will help him. That is exactly what has been tried in this Act. My friends say about the figures and photos being used. I would have used even, if he were a photogenic face I would have used Mr. Venkaiah Naidu's photo as was used during BJP and NDA time. But one who is pious does get a photo. In the rural India area from where my friend from TDP comes, that is one of the most backward districts of the country and one of the backward district in my State, he knows that 30 lakh people used to leave the places during a particular season for jobs. Today, it has come down geometrically down, although my friend would dispute it for the simple reason because he belongs to the other party and I belong to the ruling party. Now the question is not that. He has tried to quote from the figures. I do not want to quote figures because they may take time. I have certain figures about Andhra Pradesh where Kadapa has spent only two crores, it has been seven crores. I am not disputing at it at this particular stage but nonetheless whether we spent two crores or seven crore is not the matter. Let us first understand what exactly that what we are trying to talk. This, first of all, let us understand, is our right to life guaranteed under the Constitution and that guarantee has been supported by the Directive Principles where the right to life comes from right to work. What exactly is the work? Sixty per cent of our rural population lives in rural areas and sixty per cent of them are unemployed. (Contd by 3f)

-KLS/NBR-AKG/3F/4.55.

SHRI K. KESHAVA RAO (CONTD.): And, 60 per cent of them are unemployed. Sir, 30 per cent are with unsustainable living conditions. I agree with Mr. Sen Gupta when he says this. When Mrs. Gandhi told, at a global forum, there need to be not only a public and private partnership, but also there is a need for public and State partnership. What exactly does it mean? This means, the public partnership that we are seeking is the partnership of all political parties. Public and civil society's partnership does involve the political functionaries to come up. Today, a new revolution is taking place in my rural areas. I have a question here, Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir. The BJP, the Communist Parties, the Congress Party and the SP sent out a questionnaire to every household to find out whether they have availed of this Scheme. Can you show me one example after Independence, can you show me one example in this independent India, where the political system as such has come in so greatly into the field to sensitise the civil society? This time we are trying to take it up and trying to bring rural themes into that. I submit that today, in spite of the fact that 60 per cent of the people belong to the rural areas and 30 per cent being absolutely unemployed there and 60 per cent does not have a sustainable wage-level, yet, our Budgetary allocation for the agriculture has come down to 2 per cent. This is a sad plight. What exactly does it mean? Again, Sir, I submit to you that it is not any kind of alternative to the sustainable economic growth rate. It is not an alternative to that. It is only a supportive scheme, a supportive scheme that is trying to cover all those people about whom we have been talking about. We have been romanticising about them; no deal about it. Sir, I do agree that there might be lacunae. I know what Mr. Sen Gupta has said about the coverage of family. We all know that we have Ration Card in which a person living in a particular house also lives somewhere else. But, since the Ration Card he has is only one, he is not allowed elsewhere. Let me tell you that I am intervening spontaneously since I am an NREG activist. I am a social activist. I think my friend will bear me out. I think, I have gone not less than 100 villages where the Scheme is in place. I am not saying that all is good. But, a beginning has been made where the people really start thinking that they have a right to get the work, not because they are getting a right. We have all the schemes. I am not trying to blame them. But, this is a Scheme which has come out with a foolproof methodology to see that they stem out what was really bad earlier days. We did not have awareness earlier. We did not have any guarantee earlier. We did not have any estimate being done earlier. We did not have the right assets being supervised by Gram Panchayats earlier. Sir, 10 to 12 points have been raised by the Expert Committee. And, all these have been taken note of by the Bill which tried to answer. Now, it is for us, people in the civil society and the political system as such or the NGOs who are working, to take interest, as they are today taking interest, this would be a success. Let us say that this Scheme, as it goes, see some kind of a change, a perceptible change, which will match our requirements. Sir, one of my friends, today, also said that for forty we have ruled but we have not been able to solve the unemployment problem. This reminds one great saying. I don't know whether it is 8,000 years old or 4,000 years old, because I am not that much of a Hindu, where the first Stanza of Rig-Veda says, 'Oh God give me strength to ward of the evil.' That means, evil was in existence even 4,000 or 8,000 years back. In spite of ritualistically repeating the same for 4,000 years, we still have the same kind of sin haunting us. This is not the kind of a thing that this particular piece of legislation requires. This particular piece of legislation requires a positive backing, where every one of us must know if there is some kind of lacunae somewhere. It can be changed. I tell you the wages that we are trying to give is Rs. 100 per day in Andhra Pradesh at a few places. But, they differ from region-to-region and village-to-village. For example, Rs. 80 is giving in the entire Andhra Pradesh. But, the States are given the freedom to give more. So, at a few places in Andhra Pradesh, we are giving Rs. 47. (CONTD. BY USY "3G")

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