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-RSS-TMV-NB/2G/3.00

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU (CONTD.): I am sure the hon. Minister might have taken up the matter with the Finance Ministry. In this country, unfortunately, the rural people and the rural areas are not given adequate attention because they are not organised. They don't have the voice. I always used to say that in this country there are two countries--one is forward moving India and the other is backward looking Bharat. You have everything bright in the cities and urban areas and everything dull, I don't say nil, in the rural areas. You have seen that all the initiatives that are taken by the Government are concentrated more on urban areas. You take the Pradhan Mantri Gramin Sadak Yojana, a simple Scheme of providing roads to every village. How much time has it taken? After 52 years or 55 years of independence, there are more than 1,60,000 villages in the rural areas which don't have minimum a pucca road. Now, the Minister wants more funds for this novel Scheme, for the rural development. Every MP wants his constituency, his villages, to be connected with a pucca tar road. But the money is not forthcoming. What else is the priority than a rural road to any Government? I would only urge upon this Government which always goes on talking about ִ ֤, ֮ פ ָ - " ֣ ...." (־֮֬) - " ֣ ִ ֤ ֣" doubt , ָ ״֡ ִֵָ ֟֋, alert ։օ ֮ ֻ ֯ ִ ֤ ֣ ״ֻ, ֮ 52 ֻ, ױ ֯ ִ ֤ ֯ ֣ ֯ ָ ָ߲ ֆ ָ ֮ ׻֋ ׻֋ ֮֯ ֮ ϵ

֮֯ ָ פ , ׻֋ " ֣ ׾֑֟ ߓ ".... ֮ ו֋, ֮ ֜ ִֵ ״׮Ù ֵԯ ו֋ ״׮Ù ִ ׻֋ , ײ֮ ֻ , ָ ֲ ֟ , ־֕ Ӥ , ִ օ ־ ׻֋ ו֮֟ , 2009 ֵԯ ֯ ו֋ ִ ׻֋ ֯ ٻִֵ ָ, ׾֢ ӡ ָ Ϭִ֮ӡ ָ clear-cut commitment ו֋ ֯ Ͽ , ִ ֵ ָ ֟ Ù , Ù ָ federal system importance և Without States, there is no Centre. So, the Centre and the States must work together. We should not try to score political points.

Now, I come to a point which was said in the Congress Parliamentary Party meeting or the Congress Party meeting, "We devise the schemes and others are taking advantage of them. So, something should be done". What something can be done, Sir? I have experience. I have envisaged many schemes, Narayanasamyji. Did your Governments in different States mention the Central Government's name at that time? They had their own schemes, even in Madhya Pradesh also. In Madhya Pradesh, they have got a drinking water scheme. The schemes are named after Congress leaders only, and not after the Central Government or not even after other names. So, let us not quarrel over the names. It is really unfortunate that the former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's name and photo were removed from the hoardings which were there on the National Highway, on the Golden Quadrilateral project. By doing such things we are not adding anything to our honour. ݵ֟ , ֿ

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please conclude because the time is less. There are other Members also.

. ֵ֛ : political parties ָ ֤ , ָ ִ , Ͽ , ָ ִ deficiencies , shortcomings , highlight highlight , ֻ֮ , ָ ֮ ֻ֮ , ׻֋ , ־ ֮ ֮ ׻֋ ϵ Without taking much time of the House, I would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You have taken the entire time of your party.

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: There is no problem on that account. I might have taken an equal amount of time that my friend, Mr. Narayanasmy, has taken. My only plea to the Minister is, please see to it that the issues raised are clarified or understood by him in a proper manner; and a meaningful and constructive approach is adopted with regard to the implementation of the Scheme. ֮ ֣Ԯ ֮ ߛ ֮ ; if I am not there by the time he starts responding, if that time passes, you should really excuse me. Thank you very much for giving me time.

(Ends)

(Followed by AKG/2H)

AKG/2H/3.05

֮ ֤ (ָ Ϥ) : ֮־֤ ֳ֯ן օ ִ ָ ָ ֮ ָ ֮֮ߵ ִֵָ ֓ ֮ ֮ ֻ , ִ ִ ָ , ָ ׻֋, ָ ֮֕ן ִ ֮֕ן

(ֳ֬ ( Ͽӟ ֙) ߚ߮ )

. ִ ӛָ : ָ, ֕ ֯ ָ ֮ ָ ߚ߮ , ׻֋ ֯ ֬և

. ֵ֛ : ָ, ָ ָ ֯ ֬և

.. ׻ֵ : ָ, ָ ָ ֯ ֬և

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Thank you.

֮ ֤ : ֳ֬ , ִ ָ , ָ , ָ ׾ֻֿ ׻֋ ׳ֿ֯ , ֲ ָ, ִ , , ָ ֋, ָ ٣ ֲ֕ ֋օ ִֵָ ֻ ֋ , ֮ ףֵ ֤֕ ֤ ָ֟ ִ ִֵ ֯ ֮ ָ ״ֻօ ̴֮ , ֲ ׬ӿ ֮ ֯ ָָ ߅ ֮֯ ָ ֳ ֵօ ִõֆ ־ֻ , ִ ָ ־ֻ , ָ ־ֻ , ֮֯ ָ ִ߸ ִ օ ֯ ׌ ־ օ ֯ ׌ פ ֯ ֮ֆ, ןֵ ֮֯ ֵ ֮֋, ֕ ׸ִ , ִ ָ ִ ָ ֣ ֜ ִ ָ ָ ֮, ו ֟Դ֮ ָָ ֛ ؜ ߙ ִ ָ ֋, , ֯ ֕ ߮ ֮ 1971 'ָ߲ ֆ' ָ פ ֵ , ִֵ ' ֵ' ֮ ֮ , ֯ ײ֮ ִ ָ , ִ֬ ϵ ꅠ ֤ ָ ֣ , ָ ֣ , ֮ ָ ֯ օ ֮֋ ֻևՅ ו ָ ִ ָ ֮ , ָ ִִ ֮֋ ֻ - þ ֵ֮ ִ þָָ ֮, ִ ִ ָ ֮, Ϭ֮ ӡ ָ ֮, ִ ֤ ֕ ֮ - ֲ ™ָ֓ ֜ ֋ ӿ , և ִ , , ָ ֜ ևԅ

ֳ֬ , ָ ָ ׾֬ ־ֻ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ִ ׾ ׻֋ ֕ ׾׳֮ ӡֵֻ ָ 450 ֋ ֓ , ו ָ ֻ֮ , ִֵָ ו֮֟ ֟ , ֻ֮ ... (2 ָ ֿ:)

2J/HMS-RG/3.10

֮ ֤ (֟) : ׾֯ - ָָ , ֻ֮ , ֤֕ ֤ ֙ ֮ Ӳ ִֵ , ؜ ߙ ֮ ֟ , ָ ָ ־ã ִִ ִõֆ ׮֕֟ פ ֮-ֻ , ִ , ֤֕ ָ߲ ֮ - ֳ ֻ ֕ - ֮ , ִ ָ ֲ ֤ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֯ ִ ׻֋ ָ ָ ֵ ֋ , ֯ ָ߲ ߓ ֻ ׸ָ ֤ ָ ִ פ, 265 פ ׸ָ ? , ֻ 365 פ ֯ פ ָ ֟ , 265 פ ? ױ פ ֯ ָ ֮ ֤֕ ״ֻ - 60 ֋, 65 ֋ 70 ֋? ֯ ֻ֟ ןֵ ָ ֕ և ָ ߴ ָ ֵ ֕ ߴ ִ ֜ ֵ , Ù߻ ִ ֜ ֵ , ־ֿ ֪ ִ ֲ פ ֳ ִ ֜ ֵ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֯ ׸ָ ׌ פ ִ ֟ ׸ָ ֓ ֻ ֋?

, ֮ ־ֻ , ֮֟ ָ Ϥ ֮ ָ Ϥ ָָ ֱ ™ߵ ִ ֮ ָ ו֮֟ ֮֋ , ֯ ֻ , ִ ָ ָ ִ ָ ָ ׻֋ ֯ ֤--֤ ִ օ ֕ 71 ןֿ֟ ִ ָ־ Ӿ , ׻֋ ָ ֤--֤ ׮־ օ ֳ֬ , ׯ֔ ָָ ֟Դ֮ ָָ ָ֟ ֕ ִ ֙ ִ ֵ ֕ , ָ ׮ֳԸ , ִ ָ ֵֻ֮ ֲ ֕ ֲ ֤ ָ ָ , ׻֋ ִ , ֕ ֻ֟ ֵ ߕֻ , Ը , ߕ ײֻ֕ , ֮ ? ָ ֕ ֙ ִ ֵ ֕ ֮ ָ ־֮ ָ , ֤֕ ֤ ֕ 30 35 ןֿ֟ ֓և ֮֬ ֲֻ (2 /֕ ָ ֿ:)

2K/klg-ks/3.15

֮ ֤ (֟) : ֳ֬ , ֲ ִ , ֲ ָ ֋߅ ׻֋ ֯ ִ֬ ָָ ׮־ ִ օ

ֳ֬ , 2003 638 Ӿ ־ ֵ , וִ 51,770 ָ ־ ִ ֵ ֵ 40 ןֿ֟ ֮ ִ פ ֕ ߲ 48.7 ןֿ֟ ֮ ׮׿֟ ָ ָ ׾֬ ָ ֓ , ֮ ֟ ׻֋ , ָ ִִ ָ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Your time is over. Please conclude.

֕߾ ㌻ : ֓

֮ ֤ : ֮־֤ ㌻ ߅ ׻֋ ֤ ֤ ִ ֺ Կá ֟ ֮֟ ָ ד֟ -ד֟ , ִ ֲ ֓և ־ã ֋, ֲ ָ ֜ Ӿ-Ӿ ֛ ֮֮ , ߬ כ , ו ֮ ֤ כ , ָ ָ ֮ , , ִ ֤ ָ ִ ָ ָ ֮֜ ׻֋ ֑ , ߸ ִ օ

֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , , ו֮ ן ׌ ֟ ֵ ָ ֤ ָ ָ , ָ ֢ ִ ָָ ֤ ֟֟ ֮֟ ָ Ϥ ָָ ֲ ׯ֔ ׾֮֬ ֳ ־ և , ֮ ֮֟ ִ֮ ֵ֤ ָ ָ ָָ ֮ և ָ ִ ָ ִ ָ ֢ ִ ָ ָ Ϥ ָָ ָ Ϥ ָ ֤ ָ ִ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please conclude.

֮ ֤ : ָ, ״֮֙ ָ ֤ ִ ו֮ ָ , 500/-֋ ߮ ָ ֢ ִ ֯ ִ֬ , ׮־ ָָ , ָ Ϥ ָָ ו ָ ָ ֢ ִ , ָ ִ ִ

ֳ֬ , ָָ ָ , և ָָ ֻ - ׾֯ ָָ , ֻ ָ֮ ֛ӡ ִ ֻ ָ֟ ֤ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ߴ֟ ֵ ֮֓ ֤õ֟ ֟ ֋, ָ ֮ ׮ օ ָ֟ ϵ , ֮֟ ִõֆ ß, ָָ , ָ֟ ϵ ֮֮ߵ ָ ӟԟ ߙ ֋ ָ֟ ϵ ֻ ָ ֤ ꌙ, ָ ֲ ֛ ꌙ , ו ָ Ϥ ײֻ֕ ִ , ..(־֮֬).. ㌻ , ֮ ׮֋

֕߾ ㌻ : ֯ ָ ָ ߴ ָ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): You please conclude. You have taken fifteen minutes.

֮ ֤ : ״֮֙, ָ ֤ ꌙ ֟, ִ ו֮֟ ָ , ָ ִ ָ ָָ

ֳ֬ , ֮֯ ֮ ָ פ, ֯ - ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

/ ָ

TDB-AKA/2L/3.20

ϟ֯ : ָ, ӿ ֤ ֻ ׌ֵ ֜ ֮ :-

֤֕ ִ ֿ ,

Ӿ ֛ ִ ׯ֔ ן

 

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN (WEST BENGAL): Respected Vice-Chairman, Sir, we are discussing about the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act. It has got immense significance in the context of widespread rural distress and growing unemployment in the country. Sir, the programme has generated much needed wage employment for the unemployed and the poor. But, there are a lot of shortcomings, so far as the Act and its implementation is concerned. I am not in a position to go into the details of it, but I would like to mention some of the shortcomings, so far as the Act and its implementation is concerned. Number one, there is low allocation of funds and even lower utilisation. Number two, non-payment of minimum wages. Number three, huge delay in wage payments. Number four, absence of facilities at work site. Number five, very little accountability and transparency. Number six, insignificant participation of women in planning and implementation.

Sir, now I would like to go into the details of the performance of this Scheme. I will not go into State-wise performance of the Scheme. It has already been discussed by the hon. Members. I have seen that the funds released and the expenditure incurred is not more than 50 per cent so far. So, I would like to know from the hon. Minister as to what type of corrective methods he has taken so that the performance of the Scheme is better. It is a well-talked programme throughout the country. So, its performance should also be good. I think, at present, it is not up to the mark and satisfactory. It is a welcome exercise, but its performance is not satisfactory. At present, 200 districts have been covered under this scheme. But, I would like to know from the hon. Minister as to when the entire country will be brought under this programme.

Sir, as the situation in our country differs from place to place, a flexible attitude should be taken in implementing the scheme. Now, I would like to say something about the Act. Sir, we have also discussed the Rural Employment Guarantee Act in this august House. But, I would like to say that there is a mention in the Act or in the guidelines issued by the Ministry of Rural Development about the term 'family'. 'A family' means those who have common ration card, those who have been living in a shared household. I would like to say that there may be an adult son and a daughter living under a common shed. There may be a single woman and there may be a micro family. But so far as the household as defined in the Act or given in the guidelines is concerned, there is no definition of 'micro family'; there is no provision for individual cards. So, what will happen to them?

Sir, my next point is about the condition prevailing at the work site. It has been stated in the guidelines that there will be a creche; there will be a provision for safe drinking water; and there will be a first-aid-box at the work site. If there is any injury, then, they can help the labourers. There will be a provision for hospitalisation; there will be a muster-roll also available at the work site. It has been stated in the Act or in the guidelines, but nothing is seen in the rural site where the work is going on.

Sir, the next point I would like to mention here is this. I have seen the work list -- details of works to be done in this Scheme. But, again, I would like to say that different type of situations prevail in different parts of the country. You take the example of Tripura. So far as Tripura is concerned, only one district has been covered under this Scheme. Sir, Tripura is a small State. (Contd. by 2m-kls)

KLS/2M-3.25

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN (CONTD): What type of work we will do because there is no rubber plantation and there is no bamboo plantation? There is a provision for drinking water. So, I would like to submit that we are not taking the entire North-
East within its purview. At present, there is only one district of Tripura and six districts of West Bengal. I would like to say that we should expand the work, expand the districts, and expand the areas according to the different conditions of the country. It should be expanded in a big way. One very important thing that we are facing in West Bengal, perhaps, in many parts of the country, is because of the climate. During rainy season, we are not able to provide job or work to the common man. So, the Ministry should advise or allow us to give them another job, which is related to the social sector work, particularly, during the rainy season. They should do some work either for a school building or some other such activity which comes under the social sector work. Another point, which we have been saying, is that we should make the official procedure easy. You have seen it. Mr. Narayanasamy was also saying that machines would not be allowed. Yes, it is in the guidelines that machines will not be allowed. For a small road, labour would require a roller to compress the land. Otherwise, it will not be possible to work. But without roller it is not at all possible. If I provide them roller, I have to seek permission from the District Magistrate. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: I was saying that they are using excavator. ...(Interruptions)... Excavator should not be used. ...(Interruptions)... That is the point I was making.

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN: Machine use is already prohibited and it is clearly stated in the guidelines. . It is already stated in the guidelines. ...(Interruptions)... It is within the rules. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: That is violating the rules. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN: But I suppose they require it. ...(Interruptions)... But it is required.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE) : The Minister will give the reply. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN: Now I come to the earthwork. In different places the nature of the earth is different. Sometimes earth is hard and sometimes it is soft. But it is a common guideline that 117 cubic feet will be dug by one labour in seven or eight hours. It should not be applicable in all respects in all parts of the country. There should be some criterion. In hilly areas, it is difficult but it may be possible in soft areas. So, there should be a good insight into it. So far as women are concerned, there is no separate provision for the women. Same work in the same way is not applicable. Worksite may be improved and upgraded as far as women are concerned. Another point is regarding financial allocation. Already about financial allocation which has already been stated here and I would like just to touch one para with your kind permission. It says, "The Government would be bound to pay unemployment allowance in the case the money for implementation of the Act did not reach the State Governments by the beginning of every quarter." Unfortunately, this categorical assurance has not been included in the proposal of rules circulated by the Ministry. This must be done in the rules. It can be linked to the clause 7/2 that mentions the 'economic capacity' of the State Governments to pay the unemployment allowance. The linkage is necessary so that this clause is not used as a loophole by the State Governments to escape paying unemployment allowance. Sir, another point I would like to mention is about the role of NGOs. ...(Interruptions)... There is a provision to work through NGOs. The Government has proposed to include NGOs among its keeping agencies. This is a method to retrieve from its own responsibility. I am opposing it. I am submitting the example of Anganwadis work given to NGOs. I would like to say that the experience is not good. (Contd by 2N)

-KLS/NBR-MCM/2N/3.30.

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN (CONTD.): There is a provision in the Guidelines that contractors should not be allowed under this Scheme. I firmly believe, when you allow NGOs, contactors would come from the backdoor. If we allow NGOs, contractor will go there. My experience says that many contractors are working under this Scheme through NGOs.

Sir, now, I come to the status of the Programme Officer in relation to Panchayat. I think it is ambiguous. So, I would like the hon. Minister to clarify the position. What is the role of the Programme Officer under this Scheme?

Now, I come to monitoring. Sir, my friend, Mr. Narayanasamy also spoke about monitoring. And, Shri Venkaiah Naidu also spoke about the system of monitoring. There is a Guideline. According to this, 2 per cent work will be inspected by the State-level officer, 10 per cent by the district-level officer and 100 per cent work will be inspected by the block level officer. But, it is not being done. It is not happening in every State. It is not happening throughout the country. Sir, this 2 per cent, 10 per cent is only a story. No district-level or State-level officer is going to the ground level and inspecting what is happening there. So, monitoring system has to be accurate and it should be monitored strictly at different levels. Sir, it is a Central Government contributory Scheme. But, what is the role of Members of Parliament? Is there any say for MPs? There is no say for the Members of Parliament in this Scheme. I have seen the Note that has been circulated by the Ministry of Rural Development through Internet. There is a sentence in that. It says, 'Members of Parliament should inspect the situation of the work.' How to inspect it? What is the mechanism? Sir, Members of Parliament go to villages and inspect, but with what authority? I request the hon. Minister to clarify this point.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Mr. Hassan, please try to conclude.

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN: Sir, another point raised here is about application. How a common man or woman apply? He or she has to apply by saying, 'I have a Job Card. So, please give me employment within 15 days of my application.' At the same time, there is also a provision for oral application. With your kind permission, I would say that all the oral requests are not entertained. All the oral requests are refused. I have seen in the website which says what is not to be done, and there is a sentence, 'refusal of oral application in any circumstances not to be done.' But, in every case, throughout the country, oral application is refused. Oral application is a very good thing. Sir, anpad women are coming and asking for work. There is also an inordinate delay in verification. I am submitting my application today and within fifteen days the authorities will have to tell me whether I am eligible. But, they are taking time. It is also not in favour of common people of our country.

Sir, 40 per cent material component will be there. What is the material component? At many places it is wheat and at many places it is rice. I would say that the FCI is supplying wheat or rice at many places. Many-a-time, we have raised this question before this august House that wheat and rice supplied by the FCI is not fit for human consumption. It is impossible for human beings to consume them. I wish to ask and would like to know from the hon. Minister as to what is to be done in this regard.

Sir, awareness is a very important thing. We should do something on awareness. (CONTD. BY USY "2O")

NBR-USY/2O/3.35

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN (CONTD.): Everybody should know what it is. So, I would like to say -- my time is very short -- that it is a very important scheme; it should be properly implemented so that the common man is benefited from this scheme. With these words, I conclude, Sir. (Ends)

SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN (TAMIL NADU): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, it gives me great pleasure that the House is discussing the implementation of the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme, within a few years of its implementation. It is a scheme which, if properly implemented, would definitely wipe out poverty in rural areas. But, I would like to point out that this scheme is not being implemented properly. Despite the introduction of this scheme, we see that farmers are committing suicide on a large scale in Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra, Kerala and Karnataka. The Government should intensify the implementation of the scheme in the distress-prone areas. The implementation of the scheme in Tamil Nadu has been tardy. The implementation has been ineffective because of the Assembly and the civic elections. Moreover, allotment of funds for Tamil Nadu is hardly a fraction of the amount spent in other States, like Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. The Centre is hitherto discriminating Tamil Nadu. We have certain districts in Tamil Nadu, like Dharmapuri and Ramanathapuram, where conditions of the people are worse than those in Bihar or Orissa. I would like to urge the hon. Minister to implement this scheme in a big way in these two districts of Tamil Nadu. The Dharamapuri and Ramanathapuram districts have no industry. There is no agriculture because there is no irrigation facility. Poverty and unemployment in these two districts are rampant. So, I urge upon the Central Government to allot more funds to these two districts so that the problems of farmers are taken care of. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Now, Shri Arjun Kumar Sengupta. Your time is seven minutes.

SHRI ARJUN KUMAR SENGUPTA (WEST BENGAL): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, this is a very major subject, which has come up today, especially when our country is growing at the rate of 8 to 9 per cent, and, probably, it will reach 10 per cent, a growth which does not see much of increase in jobs, much of reduction in poverty. In that particular scenario, this scheme is really a beacon light. It was introduced by this Government. The credit should go to a few leaders of this Government and the Congress President. Of course, when it was adopted, there was a unanimous support. We should not forget that the Standing Committee, which looked into this, was chaired by Shri Kalyan Singh. So, there was a national consensus behind this.

(Contd. by 2p -- VP)

VP/3.40/2P

SHRI ARJUN KUMAR SENGUPTA (CONTD.): Unfortunately, the experience that we had of operation of the Scheme in the last few months shows that it was not working properly. There are plenty of newspaper items and reports. I do not have to tell it to the Minister, who is one of the most dynamic Ministers of this Government, that this Scheme is not working properly. There are areas where registration has not been done properly and the family has not been defined properly. Among the registered households, the number of job cards issued is very small. In Maharashtra, -- Shri V. Narayanasamy was very keen to talk about the different States run by different Governments -- job cards issued as a proportion of registered households is only 12 per cent. Then, there are areas where there is dismal performance. Women families do not get registered. They do not get jobs. They do not get proper wages that have been announced. In fact, most of the examples of wages show that the wages that are given are far below the minimum wages. I am saying all these things because these are known to the Minister. I am not telling any new story to the Minister. These are all known stories. The question is: What should be done? I am one of those persons, Mr. Minister, like you, who would like to see that the job is done. It is true, -- Mr. Venkaiah Naidu pointed out what should be the budgetary allocation -- I was one of the supporters from the very beginning and a protagonist that full budgetary support should be provided, which is about Rs. 50,000 crores, over a period of time. But only Rs. 6,000 crores have been provided this year. Whatever may be the reasons; let us see whether we have done the best job as we could do of these Rs. 6,000/-. crores. Unfortunately, the results show that we have not been able to do the job that we were expected to do. There are many reasons for that. One of the reasons that has been pointed out is -- again I must quote Shri Venkaiah Naiduji -- that the Gram Sabhas are supposed to be the principal instruments to work out the programme. But in many areas, Gram Sabhas do not exist. They meet only once a year or once in six months. And the Gram Pradhans are supposed to work out the programme. They are not functioning independently. More often than not, and, as a matter of fact, mostly, these are left to the District Collectors. And the District Collectors means that it is a top down kind of a job that goes on. Most of the problems that have been raised are known to these District Collectors. Now, what should we do? Can there be a method to check this? Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, let me point out that a model has been suggested by the Congress President in the meeting of the World Forum. When people were talking about public-private partnership, she raised this issue of public civil society partnership in the case of social development programmes. This, I am afraid, has not been taken into account fully by our Government. I would like to tell Mr. Raghuvansh Prasadji -- because all NGOs are under him -- that this is an initiative that can be taken. Now, I am mentioning this thing because this is a new way of, what we call, monitoring a programme, what we call a programme that has to be implemented at the grassroots, and we should get results of the implementation back to the Government. And, here, the NGO community, and the civil society organisations can play a very major role. I am saying it because, unlike the public-private partnership talk that we talk about in the World Bank and in other forums, here, we do not have to spend any money because the civil society organisations only want that their voice should be heard and that you should record what they are saying. They would go to different places, and tell that this is not working, that in Sabarkantha area women do not get registered, that in different districts of Orissa there are plenty of cases where people are completely thrown out. In Jharkhand and in other areas, tribals are misused. These stories are coming back. Just listen to them. Take the opportunity of getting that information and do something immediately in that particular field. What can we do in that field? What we can do, again I would like to quote Shri Venkaiah Naiduji, is to establish a strict mechanism of penal provisions. (Continued by PK/2Q)

PK-ASC/3.45/2Q

SHRI ARJUN KUMAR SENGUPTA (CONTD.): If a person or an institution or a particular office is found to be responsible for not doing the job, not working out the Scheme properly, they should be thoroughly and strictly reprimanded. In other words, Sir, there has to be a mechanism now where people from the grass-root organisations should be able to report back to the Government, and the Government should be able to respond to that immediately in different areas so that the persons, the organisations and the institutions responsible for not following up a particular provision should be held up. I am suggesting this because only a dynamic personality can provide a mechanism like that. This would be a new way of establishing a different kind of partnership, which is absolutely essential in a social-development programme, because the social development programmes are grass-root programmes. These programmes cannot be, under any circumstances, implemented on a top-down approach. However much you try, however much you have the Budgetary provisions, unless at the grass-root levels, there are feedbacks, there are mechanisms of control, there are mechanisms of actual verification, you will not be able to get the results. We are getting this story from many people, they have mentioned the name of Mr. Jean Dreze who is one of the principal authors of this. The civil society organisations have been to different parts of the country, and have given absolutely pinpointed diagnosis that this is not working out. I want to know what is this Government...(Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Please conclude.

SHRI ARJUN KUMAR SENGUPTA: There has to be a mechanism to do this thing. Why I am putting in this way, Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, is that let us not now bother about who is to be blamed, which Party is doing this thing, and which Government is taking credit; the people of India are not fools. They would know who is doing this thing; how this whole thing has come about. But please see that it is, actually, implemented. In order to do that, you have to have a mechanism of monitoring; you have to have a mechanism of reprimanding; and you have to have a mechanism of taking immediate action when you get the results from this. Thank you very much. (Ends)

. ִ ӛָ (ײָ) : ֳ֬ , ִ ׾ ӡ : ֬և ִ ִ ֻ 70 ןֿ֟ ֲ֤ , ׻֋ ֤ ™ߵ ִ ָ ָ ֮ ֮

, ו ִֵ ֮ , þ֟ օ ֮֮ߵ Ϭִ֮ӡ , ֮֮ߵ UPA Chairperson ߴ֟ ׮ֵ Ӭ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ӿ ֤ ֬և ״ֻ߅ ִ Ծ־ã , ߸-߸ ֕ ִ ֻ ֮ , ֤֕ , - ִָ , ָ ׻֋, ֲ֕ ִֻ Ϥ֮ ׻֋ UPA ָָ ֮ ֵ֮ , ֮ ֮, ֮֋ ֮ ֱ֟֯ ߴ֮ , ֤ ֯ ֻߴؙ ָֿ߮ , ֿ׌, ֮֟ ן ־ֲ֤ , ׵֟ , ׮š Դָ֤֮ , ִ֯ ־֮ , ֟ ָ ׮ֳԸ ֮ ֳ ֮֟ ? (2R/LT ָ ֿ:)

LP/PB/3.50/2R

. ִ ӛָ (֟) : ֕ ׸ֻ ׻ֵ , ӳ߸֯ ׻ֵ , ָ ֕ ߮ ׻ֵ ָ ֮ ֯ ֮ ״ִ֮ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ָٿ֟ ֟ , ֮ ֟ , וÙ֮ , ֛ ֮ , , ״ֻ֮ , ׻֋ ׻֋ ֕ ָָ, ֙ ָָ , ־ֲ֤ ֮֟ ֵ֛ ֟ ־ֿ , ָ Ӧ ָָ ֕ ָָ פ ֟ , ֵ ֵ֤ , ־ֲ֤ ֕ ָָ ֕ ָָ ׮־ ָ ֕ ָָ , ֻ֮ ֻ֮ ײָ ָָ ָ ֓ ײָ ָָ ֵ , יև֮ ãן , ײָ וֻ וֻ וֻ ֮֮ߵ ӿ ֤ ֮ ׻ֵ 77,55,942 ׸ָ ִ 34,35,882 ... ׸ָ , וÙ֮ ãן ... ׸ָ וÙ֮ ֱ 29,66,005 ״ֻߕ וÙ֮ ִ 20,37,604 ״ֻ ֛ ״ֻ ײָ ךև ו֮֟ , ֳ ... ... ֮ , ִ , ӓֵ֟ - ... -, ߮-߮ ӓ֕ - ֮ -, ߮-߮ ӓֵ֟ ӓ֕ ו ִ ֕ ֮ և , ӓֵ֟ þ֟ӡ ִ פ ֟ ӛ ׾ ׬ָ , ָ ӓֵ֟ ָ, ӓֵ֟ ֵ , ָ ֤ ו ָ , ָ ִ , ײָ ֵ , ֯ ֟ ״ֻ 957,32,76,000 ֵ ֓ ֮ ? ֓ 215,43,39,000 , ԟ 22.50 22.50 ֓ , ֲ ײָ ™ߵ ֮֟ ָָ , ִֵ ָ ׾ָ ֙ , ָ-ӓ ָ ֵ ײָ "ֻ ֕" , ֟ ֮ ־ã , ׾ ִ , , ײָ ָָ ֓ , ֵ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ ( Ͽӟ ֙) : և ߴ֟

. ִ ӛָ : ָ, ֮ ִֵ - ִֵ ״ֻ ֓ ׻֋, ִֵ ״ֻ ֮ ׻֋

(2s/NB/ָ ֿ)

NB/SKC/2S/3.55

. ִ ӛָ (֟) : ãן ֮ ״֡ ֯ ָָ ָָ ֋ ӿ 23 וֻ ׻ֵ ײָ ָָ 38 וֻ ׻ֵ , וֻ , ִ ֮ ֮֋

, ָָ ֵ , ֵ , ֵ֤ , ױ ֯ ֮ ֋ , ֯ ֆ? , ֆ ָָ ֻ֟ , ָָ ִ ֻ֟ ִ ãן , ֯ ֟և ָ֮

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Please, try to conclude.

. ִ ӛָ : ֳ֬ , conclude ִ Ծ־ã ֲ֕ ׻֋ ׾׳֮ ָָ ִֵ ֮֋ ֻ֟ , ָ ױ ֛ ֮ ָ ִ ֵֻ֮ ֛ ߠ ֲ ײָ ߟ߿ ָָ ֮ , ׮ִӡ - ײָ ֤֕ ֵֻ֮ ֻ ֋ , ֯ ֋, ָ օ ֤ ֵ ָָ ֋ ֮ ֛ , ֟ ֻ , , ָ ͅ ߵ ָָ ָ ־ã ֕ ָָ ӲӬ ӳ߸ ׮֙ظ ־ã ֻ ָ ָ ֮֮ߵ ֤ .. ִ involve ãן ׾ָ ָָ , centrally sponsored schemes , ִ .. , ֙ .. , ֵ ֟ , ׿ֻ֮ , ֙ , ָ ãן ָ .. ֮ centrally sponsored schemes ׿ֻ֮ ֵԮֵ֮ ׻֋ mechanism ׮׿֟ ־֮Դ ֮֮ centrally sponsored schemes .... י , וֻ ֮և , וֻ ֤׬ָ , כ ֯ ָ וֻ ֤׬ָ ߱ ָ ֟ , ֮֟ ָ Ù ֻ֟ , ָ ָ ֯ וֻ ֤׬ָ ߱ ָ ֟ ֮ Ӳָ , call back ׻֋ ֮֋ ֮ , ִ ׾ ׻֋ ן ׻֋ ֮ ֮ , employment ׻֋ ֮ ֮ , ֮ , ֳ Ͽ , implementing ָָ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֟ ךև ... (־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE): Please, conclude.

. ִ ӛָ : ӡ implementation , ֯ job card ֮ , ֯ corruption , ֯ ָٿ֟ ? ֕ ָָ ָ ־ ֮֮ ֛ ֻ֟ ߵ ָָ ן ֯ ֮ , ֱ֟֯ ֻ֮ օ - ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Shri Rajeev Shukla.

ֵָ : ֳ֬ , ӛָ ™ߵ ֮֟ , ײָ ֮֟ ָ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: The Minister would reply to that.

֕߾ ㌻ (ָ™) : ֳ֬ , ִ֟ ߴ ô ֮֕ן , ߵ֟ և ߴ , וִ Ӿ ָ߲ ָ ֟ , ֻ ָ߲ ߓ , ׻ ֻ-ֻ ָ ׻֋ ֙

2T/AKG ָ ֿ:

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