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VP/4.00/3A/GS

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR (CONTD.):

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Many names were mentioned. The names of Nana Saheb Peshwa and Jhansi ki Rani were not mentioned. And, I thought I should mention them. That is how the 1857 War of Independence was fought. One of the greatest milestones in our freedom movement has, of course, been the Jallianwallah Bagh incident. The sacrifices made there continue to inspire millions of Indians even today. There were about 379 people who were dead. Thousands of others were maimed, bruised and marred. That was one event that made the Britishers certain to leave India forever. That was one event which made it clear to everyone in the world that the Britishers have lost their game in India. And, therefore, with this Bill a great memorial is being resurrected, refurbished and re-presented to India and to the world. It must be welcomed.

I personally visited Jallianwalla Bagh, and I believe, that our leaders, up to now, have not underscored the importance of the sacrifices that were made there. I hope that, at least, after this Bill, this Government, which has been in Government for very long, will pay attention to the need to erect a really prestigious memorial there.

Sir, I am here to make only one or two points on behalf of my party. The Union Government, unfortunately, does not realise that it is a Government of 1070 million people; 107 crore people of India. It is a Government which represents the largest democracy in the world. Out of every six persons on this planet, which has been wrongly called the Earth, -- actually, 7:10 of it is water -- one is Indian. This Government is ruling that kind of largest democracy. One of their freedom fighters, who was from my State, Maharashtra, the former Deputy Prime Minister of India, Late Shri Y.B. Chavan, had reminded all rulers -- and I say it with great pride -- that "when you are in power, play the politics of addition and don't play the politics of subtraction." That was the point made by Late Mr. Y.B. Chavan. If you ask me, it is one singular insight into the politics of democracy that when you are in power, play the politics of addition and not the politics of subtraction. One of the greatest followers, greatest admirers, and greatest disciples of Late Shri Y.B. Chavan is sitting here in this House in the form of another great national leader, Shri Sharad Pawarji. Sir, I would say this because this Government does not recognise that it is running the largest democracy in the world. It is not recognising that it represents one out of every sixth human being on this Planet. It cannot play the politics, which is not played even in our Gram Panchayats and Municipalities.

(Contd. by 3B)

VP-USY/3B/4.05

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR (CONTD.): To bring in this Jallianwala Bagh National Memorial (Amendment) Bill, 2006, the name of a political party, the present Indian National Congress, is an insult to the millions and millions of freedom fighters, who despise this party. (Interruptions) I tell you because I have attended several meetings of freedom fighters; I have addressed them; and, they hate you for what you have done to this country. (Interruptions) They hate you. (Interruptions) The freedom fighters hate you for what you have done to this country. (Interruptions) Yes, let me tell you this... (Interruptions)

SHRI B.K. HARIPRASAD: He represents a political party which... (Interruptions)

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: You cannot challenge the patriotism of my political party. (Interruptions)

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֚ : ֯ ֮ ָ ? ...(־֮֬)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record. (Interruptions) ֯ ֟ ו֋ ...(־֮֬)...

SHRI B.K. HARIPRASAD: *

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SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: You must understand this. (Interruptions) Sir, I tell you that patriotism of my party cannot be questioned. (Interruptions) The patriotism of Shri Balasaheb Thackeray cannot be questioned. (Interruptions) Yes, he was saying that my political party has ... (Interruptions) I tell you that freedom fighters hate you. (Interruptions) If there are... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Thakur, you please address the Chair. You had only three minutes. Please conclude.

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: Sir, I speak once in a while. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Yes; but what can be done. The time is fixed.

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: Sir, as per the World Bank's definition, if a person earns less than one dollar a day, then, a man is poor. Then, according to that definition, 350 million people are poor today, after independence. And, for this poverty, abysmal poverty to the point of deceleration, this party has been responsible. And, that party, which

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* Not recorded.

has made India poor, which has made India such a strife-ridden State, wants a place in a Bill. (Time-bell) Sir, I only want to say one thing that I have nothing personal against any political party, but this kind of act of bringing a specific political party here shows as if we, all other parties, are not national, not patriotic, not... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let him speak. The Minister will reply. I have not asked you to reply. (Interruptions)

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: This is sycophancy. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Thakur, please conclude. (Interruptions) Please conclude. (Interruptions)

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: Sir, why I am worried about Soniaji is only because that it may come under the Office of Profit and she may come in trouble. (Interruptions) That is my separate point. (Interruptions) It is my apprehension. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: She is a Member of the other House. You should not take her name.

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: No; no. I am only saying that if it comes under the Office of Profit, she may be in trouble. But, what all I am trying to say is that the Leader of the Opposition, Rajya Sabha, should be included; the Leader of the Opposition, Punjab Legislative Assembly, should be included, and the name of a specific political party should be removed; otherwise, all those political parties, which are representing in both the Houses of Parliament, their representatives should be a part of this Board of Trustee. Thank you, Sir, for having given me this opportunity. (Ends)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The hon. Minister.

SHRIMATI AMBIKA SONI: Sir, I am very grateful to all the Members for the contributions they have made, for the suggestions they have given. I have also heard the reservations about a couple of clauses. If I had any intentions, as the Minister-in-charge, to bringing in any politics, there could have been a lot of things that one could have done.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Not so easy in a democracy.

SHRIMATI AMBIKA SONI: I accept that it was only, as late as in 2003 that the proposal to amend this Act to fill in the three vacancies was mooted. (Contd. by 3c)

PB/3c/4.10

SHRIMATI AMBIKA SONI (CONTD.): It was introduced in the House and sent to the Standing Committee in May, 2003. The Standing Committee had several meetings, discussing clause-by-clause the Bill. I don't want to go into all the details, but since the Standing Committee was referred to, I am making a mention of it. The Standing Committee had objection to the clause of involving the Home Minister. They also objected to and rejected the suggestion of making the Secretary of the Ministry of Culture as a Member. They did not accept these two positions. I would just like to quote briefly the Chairman of the Standing Committee, Shri Nilotpal Basu. When he was given this Bill to consider in the Standing Committee, he said, 'The proposal does not include the name of the President of the Indian National Congress.' The Chairman of the Standing Committee went on to say that 'I hope the exclusion of the President of the Indian National Congress does not tantamount to or does not indicate that the composition of the Jallianwala Bagh ......' Sir, I would rather quote exactly now. 'The Committee is of the view that the composition of the Jallianwala Bagh National Memorial Trust, as described in the parent Act, was in order and the inclusion of the President of the Indian National Congress was in keeping with the contribution of the Indian National Congress in the freedom struggle movement in general and the glorious struggle which led to the Jallianwala Bagh incident in particular.' I am quoting. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: But that is that period. ...(Interruptions)... It is initial part. Please read it further.

SHRIMATI AMBIKA SONI: Let me just quote. ...(Interruptions)... Please let me just quote. ...(Interruptions)... Let me just quote. ...(Interruptions)... I am sorry, Sir, I have heard all the Members. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Brindaji, let her speak. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRIMATI AMBIKA SONI: Sir, I have heard all the Members. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: She is quoting from the Report of the Standing Committee. ...(Interruptions)... Listen to her.

SHRIMATI AMBIKA SONI: I am just reading the quotation. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, let me just read. After I have spoken, if there is anything which I have quoted wrongly, you have absolute right to raise your objection, but not half-way through my quotation. I haven't quite finished. I am just trying to say that the Chairman of the Standing Committee had to say that the intention of the present Bill can and should in no way be to belittle the contribution of the Indian National Congress in the freedom movement and he went on to ask that the Department of Culture must prepare and present aims and objectives of this Bill. The aims and objectives of this Bill were put forward by the Minister of Culture at that time which said that the Jallianwala Bagh National Memorial (Amendment) Bill, 2006 is being enacted only -- I would not go into all those things -- as, over a period of time, with the passing away of the trustees appointed for life, the situation has changed and the Government does not have a proper representation on the Trust. Further, the Government cannot appoint trustees for life without making necessary amendments to the said Act. Therefore, with a view to filling up the vacancies caused on the account of passing away of the life trustees, it has become necessary to amend the said Act through the Jallianwala Bagh National Memorial (Amendment) Bill, 2003. Then, the Chairman of the Standing Committee asked the Government in office at that time to state the aims and objectives of bringing this Bill. I have just read out the aims and objectives of bringing out the Bill. But nevertheless having quoted it, I would say that the Committee did send back the Bill with the definite recommendation of not including the Home Minister and not including the Secretary as a member of the Trust. Some Members did refer to the fact that it was not a unanimous resolution by the Standing Committee. (Contd. by 3d)

3d/4.15/skc-aka

SHRIMATI AMBIKA SONI (CONTD.): "...Six members belonging to different political parties, senior political figures, objected in writing and recorded their dissent. When this Bill went to the then Cabinet, they chose not to accept several of the recommendations of the Standing Committee. Despite the fact that the Standing Committee did not want the Home Minister to be included, they rejected this suggestion of the Standing Committee. They rejected a couple of other suggestions regarding the framing of rules and other points of the Standing Committee and decided to put this Bill in its original form before the Parliament, which subsequently got dissolved."

Sir, I would say, for me it is a matter of great shame that this has not been amended all these years. But, as they have said, we are celebrating 150 years of the first uprising of the Freedom Movement. A National Committee under the hon. Prime Minister's chairmanship has been constituted where political opinions across this House are reflected, civil society is represented, journalists, artists and historians are represented. Under that committee we are going to make special efforts to honour all those freedom fighters who have not yet been honoured the way they should have been. Other hon. Members have suggested several other names. We have decided to constitute State-wise committees, which will tabulate the names of all those Freedom fighters, places where memorials need to be constructed and tributes of an independent nation, in 2006, to be paid in the memory of those who sacrificed to make us free today.

So, Sir, it is the limited aims and objectives which were guiding the 2003 amendment that I put before this House, just limited to the filling up of vacancies caused by the death of three great leaders of this country. I have not added, I have not tried to play with the emotions, the sentiments, which guided the constitution of this Act in 1951. We all acknowledge the role of the Indian National Congress. When Dr. Kichlu and Dr. Satpal led this Movement and were arrested, the countrywide protests that were held after their arrest, the Congress Session at Amritsar, all that reflected the predominant role of a political organisation which took under its wing, under its umbrella, other political forces, individuals and groups fighting for Independence. In my opinion, it is only with that sentiment that the President of the Indian National Congress was included, to honour the institution, the organisation, which had the capacity of taking cross-currents of political opinion under its wing and fight the British to get us our Independence in 1947. It has not been my intention, in any way, to tamper with those emotions and those sentiments. I have not added anybody's name at this stage; I have not reflected any iota of sycophancy. I have tried to remain within the recommendations of the Standing Committee, within the stated aims and objectives of the amendment before us; I have tried to fill in only those three faces reflecting the Prime Minister of India, the Leader of the Opposition and the Minister in-charge of Cultural Affairs. No politics can be insinuated with these three inclusions. In fact, an attempt has been made to reflect political opinion on this Trust. It would make the Trust unwieldy if we took in too many more people. It is a working Trust which should upgrade the facilities. I agree that a lot has been done and a lot more needs to be done and I am, on the floor of this House, committing the Ministry which I head at the moment, to do whatever is possible within our rules and permitted allocations to make the Jalianwala Bagh Memorial truly a memorial that every Indian, for generations to come, should look to for sacrificing for their own country.

Sir, there are suggestions which have come about the three Members who are nominated. I am willing to say that while framing the rules and regulations we could consider including these suggestions. One of the amendments is that all the rules and regulations framed by this Trust, all the accounts after being certified and audited by the Comptroller General would be placed before both the Houses.

(Contd. by 3e/hk)

HK-SCH/3ee/4.20

SHRIMATI AMBIKA SONI (CONTD.): Those rules and regulations will, I am confident, reflect some of the suggestions and sentiments that Members have expressed here and I don't see any Indian today who would not want to sacrifice for his country. These rules and regulations would be reflective of sentiments of members who are going to be nominated. Sir, it is true that Bhagat Singh was charged with Shaheed Bhagat Singh; it is also true that Rabindranath Tagore gave up his Knighthood; it is also true that thousands and thousands of young people gave up everything they had for us to sit here. It is unfortunate if anyone of us, even in moments of extreme agitation or anger, should try and look at those sacrifices with a narrow perspective. I, in my initial few remarks, had appealed to the sentiments of this House, especially this year, when we are observing 150 years. We are planning, across the board unitedly, to honour all our freedom fighters to re-build all those institutions which were connected with the freedom movement. It is in that spirit that I brought these three limited amendments and also made this whole process transparent. I agree that the Trust has been bereft of funds and there are some buildings, which the trust has been renting out. There is a 12-member Committee headed by Shri R.L. Bhatia, former Member of Parliament, from Amritsar. He successively fought and won several elections. Today, he looks after the management along with 12 other people and the moment this amendment comes through, I am confident that we will be able to undertake, in great details, the proposals which we already had conceptualised for this memorial to our freedom fighters. We will, in time to come, have memorial which would become a place of worship for all freedom fighters like Harmandir Saheb or any other place of worship. That is what I promise to this House.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, the question is:-

That the Bill to amend the Jallianwala Bagh National Memorial Act, 1951, as passed by Lok Sabha, be taken into consideration.

 

The motion is adopted.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, we shall take up clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill.

Clauses 2 to 6 were added to the Bill.

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Title were added to the Bill.

 

SHRIMATI AMBIKA SONI: Sir, I beg to move:

That the Bill be passed.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

(Ends)

SHORT DURATION DISCUSSION ON THE RISE IN PRICES OF ESSENTIAL COMMODITIES.

 

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ֳ֯ן , ֻ , ׻ ߛ , ו ߛ פ-ןפ ߵ ֻ ֻ Ӿ ֻ ֮־ , Ӿ ߾֮ ָ ֻ ׻֟ , ן ֤֕ , ָ߲ ֮ , ßָ -כ ֮ ֻ ָ߲ , և ָ ״֟ և Ӿ ָ֤֮, - ֻ , Ӭ ָ ֻ ִ֬ , ֳ ߮ ָ פ

NB/3F ָ ָ

NB/3F/4.25

ߴ֟ ֵ (֟) : ֳ֯ן , UPA ָָ ֻ֟ ןֵ, ϲӬ֮ ֮-׾ָ ֻ֟, ׯ֔ -߮ ֻ և ָ֟ ֜ ̴ָ ָ- ߕ , ָ߲ , ִ֬ ֻ և ָָ “ ֻ ָ ֮ ֤ ֤ ד֟ ־ ״ֻ֟ , ָ ָ ֳꌟֆ ß ָ ߴ֟ ֮ ֛ , ֤֕ ָ օ

ֳ֯ן , , ִ ֤ ֣ ־ , ָ ֕ ֕ ִ ֤ ߮ ׿ ֵ ֕ ֟֋ ֻ ֮ ״֟ և , ׻ ֤ ֻ ֮ ׻֋ ֲ֕ ֻ פ ֯ ߮ ֻ ߴ֟ ֕ ߴ֟ , ֟ UPA ָָ agenda և ֮֜ ֕ ֯ ׯ֔ ߮ ֪ ִ ִ ֱ ָ֜ , ו ϳ־ ֳꌟֆ ָ ߬ ֛ ϳ־ consumer price index and wholesale price index ָ֜ ֱ ָ ־Ӳָ 2005 ־Ӳָ 2006 ֟ , ִ 18.7 ָ ר ָ ִ 37 ָ ֜ , և , ߴ֟ 56 ָ ֜ , ֻ ߴ֟ 46 ָ ר , ֵ ִ 26 ָ ֜ , ֈӛ֙ ֻ ߴ֟ 10 ָ ֜ , ֌ NDA ֮ ֻ 14 ֋ ײ , ֕ 24 ֋ ײ ָ ߕ ߴ֟ ָ֜ ׯ֔ ֻ commodities , household income ֮ 3 ֤ ֜ household income ֜ , , ֻ, , ֌, ֻ פ ִ , 90 ָ ָ֜

ֳ֬ (. .. ׸֮) ߚ߮

ֳ֬ , GDP ר ָ پ  ר ,  ר ׻֋ GDP growth ֮ ײֻ ֻ֟ 滵 ר ֮ ָ פ , ׻ִֵ ֤ ߴ ױ iron-ore , ֻ 60 ןֿ֟ ר ִ և , ָ ֤֣ ִ ֜ ָ ָ - , ֳ Ӥ ֋ ִ֮ ֕ ϳ׾֟ ׻֋ UPA ָָ ־ã ׻֋ ֲֻ , ָֻ ׻֋ ״ֻ ָ ֯ ֋ ֮ ֲ ׻֋ ֻ ֲֻ , ד֯ ׻֋ ֻ ֲֻ ׾ֻ֟ ߕ ߴ֟ ֻ ãָ , ָ ֮ ߕ ߴ֟ ִ֮ , ׻ ִ֮ ߸ ָ ׮ և

ֳ֬ , ׾ßָ ֮ ָ֕ ָָ ֻ פ֟ ӡ Ӥ ֱ״ֵ ֻ , ֮ ִ ֮֟ , ָ֕ ִ և UPA ָָ ָָ֮ ֟ ִ և ֮֟ ָ և ָײֵ , ֟ , ָײֵ ָ ֟ ׾֢ߵ ϲӬ ֣ ֲ ֵ , ߴ֟ ָ ִ , NDA ָָ ֮ ִֵ פֵ օ 3G/AKG ָ ֿ:

AKG/3G/4.30

ߴ֟ ֵ (֟) : 6 ֛ߋ ֮ 6 ֤ ָ և ֓ , ײ֟ ֌ ֛ߋ ָָ ٣ ןֵ , ӟ׻֟ ִ ֤ ߱ ֮֜ ֻ , ׻ ߱ ֻ , ֻ ֳ֬ , ָָ ß־ ױ ָ֕ ־ ֛, ֮ ֻ֙ ָ ֯ 1977 1998 ֲ-ֲ ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ָָ , ߴ֟ ׮ֵס֟ ֲ ֕ ֵ , ߴ֟ ֮ ӟָ֕ ֕ ֋ ֮ ֜֋ ָ ֮ ֟ ֤֕ ָ ֕, ָ ֕ , ׮ٴ֟ ֻ , ֤ ָ ֜ , ߋ ָָ ֮ ֮ ׾ָ ןֵ ֻ֟, ָ ָ ϲ֮ ֻ֟ ֲ ֻ פ ײ֓׻ֵ

ֳ֬ , 滵 ר ָ , ִ ָ - ִ ֮ hoarding. ֛ߋ ָָ ָ ֵ ߋ ָָ ֛ߋ ָָ ֤ ׮ָß ִ ׻֋ ß ֱ פ ֕ ׬ָ , ׬ָ ״֟ פ ֯ ֋ ֪֮ ֵ֟ ׾ ָ֯ ֚ ֮ և ֮ ߅ ߋ ָָ ָ-ָ ֵ֟ ֟ ֲ ֕֯ ָָ , ֌ ӛָ ָ ߲֮ Ԯ ֕ ׮ֵԟ ãן ֕ Ϭ֮ , ߮, ֻ, , ֳ ߕ ֵ ׮ֵ ָ֯ ֛ ֱ ָ ָ߲ ֳꌟ, ֮ ֿ 韵 ֻ ߋ ָָ ָ ֮ ־ã֋ , ו֮ ִ ֤ ß , ָ֮ , ֮ ָ׮ֵ ֋? ֲ ׻֋ ָָ ןֵ וִָ , ו֮ ָ ָָ -׾֤ ׮֕ ׮ֵ ӛָ פ ӛָ ֻ ֱֻ ָև ֵ֕ ֵ֟ ֻ օ ֮ ֛ ܵ ֵ֟ ֲָ ׻֙ ֮ ߋ ָָ ןֲ֨ ㌟ ָ֕ ϴ֟ ֱ օ ָ ִ , ߮, ֻ, ֲ ־֕ ִ ָ ־ֿ ß ߴ֟ ֵ ֯ ײֵ ֋ ֯ ָ֕ և, ו֮֟ ײֵ , ־ ֲ ֟ , ֣ ֳ ײֵ ߴ֟ ֜ ֟ , ײֻ ֻ֟ ָ ָָ ֮ , ָָ ֮

ֳ֬ , և ֜ ָ ֵ֟ օ ֣-֣ և ֜ ָ - پ օ پ ִ ָ ֵ , וֵ , ֮ ָ ߅ - ѓ ֆ ָ ֵ , 100 ׬ ֆ ָ ׾ßָ ֵ ֮ ֮, ֵ ֮, և, , ֙ߛ-߆, ֿ߮, ֲ ֲ ָ ֋ ֮ ֻ פ ָָ ִ֤ ֲ ֛ ׸ ֮֮ Ù և , ׮ ֵօ ֮ ָָ ן ֮ , ן ָ ָָ ֮֕ ָ ִ ֤ -

ߴ֟ ׮ֵס֟ ֻ ָ ֵ֮ ӡ օ ֛ ߙ ߾֮ և , և ߴ֟ ֙ ֋߅ ? ֳ֬ , և ߴ֟ և, ו֮ և ֺ ߅ (3 ָ ֿ:)

3H/HMS-KS/4.35

ߴ֟ ֵ (֟) : և ָ֕ ײ ֮ ִָ ߾֮ ֵ ֻ֮ և , և ߴ֟ ֿ ֜ Ӆ , ָ ִ ֤ ֣ 000 ָָ ӡ

, ֕ ֤ ֜ ߴ֟ ֲ ָָ ߕֻ ߴ֟ 4 ֋ ߴ֟ ֜և 2 ֋ , ߕֻ ߴ֟ 2 ֋ ֜և 1 ֵ ߅ , ֻ , ߴ֟ , ߛ 같 ֟ և ֤ և ָ ֓ , ֲ ߴ֟ Յ

ֳ֬ , " ֵ֤ ß ֵ֤" ֮־֤ , ֮ ֵԯ ָָ ֮ 000 Ù ָ ֵ? ָ߲ ֤ 000 ָָ 35 ֿ֮ ״ֻ , ֯ 20 פ ߴ֟ ֜ ߅ ָ߲ ֡ ָ ־ԕ׮ ׾ָ֟ ֻ ִ֬ ״ֻ֮ ֻ ֕ , օ ָ߲ ׻֋ ß ֕ ֻ ן ֮ ֋? , ָ 000 Ù ײֻ ß פ ֵ ׻֋ ֕ ָָ פ ָ ִ ֻօ ָָ ׻֋ ߙظ Ù ֮֮ ִֺӤ ֕ ־ԕ׮ ׾ָ֟ ֻ ִ֬ ׾֟׸ ֟ , ׌ ״ֻ ״ֻ , ָ ֮ ߅ ß־ և ¯׸ִ ֵ־ ֮ ָָ Ӥ

, և ָ ֲ ֤ ֆ ֓ ָ ֛ ֮ ָ ֻ ֤֕ ܵ ־׬ ӵ㌟ ™ ֻ ָ 5 14 ֵ ֜ 3 ֓ ֕ ֤֕ ָ ֓ ָ Ӭ ֤֕ ֟ ִ֟ , ֛ ֤֕ և ֟ , 30 ־ִָ ׮ ִָ֓ ֡ ׮ 7 ֵ ֓ ו ִ ֕ , 650 ֋ 8 ֕ ִ 5 ֕ ֲ ִ ׻ֵ ֟ ך ֮ , ֻ ָ ֯ ֋ ֓ ֟? ִ ֮ ָ ߲֮ 30 ֤ ָ߲ ߓ ߾֮-֮֯ ׻֋ ׳ֿ֯ ֋ ֓ ָ Ӥ ־׬ ׿ָ ָ ֮ ֓ ֋ ֻ ֮֟

ֳ֬ , ֵ ؓ֟ ָ ֻ֮ , - ߕ - , ֕ , ײֵ ֆ ? ױ ֲ , ֓ - - ߕ ָ ֻ֋? ֲ ߕ ֟ ָ ִ ֕ Ԇ ֙ ֮ և ֻ ׾ָ , ֻ ׾ָ ִ ֻօ ָָ Ӥ ָָ ִ֣Ԯ , ׻֋ ֮ ִ ֤ ָ ߾֮ ײ֟֋ ֪ ֚ ֮ ׸ ׾ ֪ ֤֣ ãן ָ ָ ֻ֟ ֟֟ ׻ ܵ ִָ ֯ ֕ ֵ ֮ ִ ֻ ֤֕ ӯ ָ (3 /ߋ־ ָ ֿ:)

-TDB-SSS-PSV/3J/4.40

ߴ֟ ֵ (֟) : ֳ֬ , ׾֛֮ ?

ӕֲ ֟ ֮֟ ߅ ӕֲ, ֮ ִֻ ־׬ ןֿ߻ Ϥ ֮ ֟ , ֕ ֮ ֻ֟ ֮֟ ϟ ֮ ָ 41 ָ 5 ֋ ֕ ֻ ֻ ֣ ֻ ֻ ִֻֻ ָ ׸ ן ֕ , ָ ִ ֟ ֮ ָ ֿֆ ָ ָ ָօ ֕ ָ 10 ӓ־ ֮֋ , ָ ֕֙ ִ ֻ ׮־ ֙ ֵ ֟ , 1.9 ׻֋ ãן ָ ׻֋ ֤ ָ֟ ֕ 60 ָ ׬ ֮ , և ֙ , ֱ ִ ֟ ֜ ֮ כ ֛ ֻ ߴ ֮ פ ֮֋, 000 ָָ ֮ , ָָ ִ ָ ֮ և ׻֋ ֳ֬ , ֮ օ ֕ ֮ ֟ ִ֮ ׾ ֓օ ָ פ֋, ִ? ֳ֬ , ֕ ־ԕ׮ ָ ֮֋ , ָ , և ָ ָָ ׸֮ֆ ֟ ֜ , ִו ֆ ֻ , ֛ ָ ûִ ֙ ֑ ߲֮ ֮ ֋ Ӆ 000 ָָ ֣ Ӹ ֻ ֻ ѕ߯ןֵ ѕ ֱ ׾ ֳ ָ ֤

ֳ֬ , ָ , ֜ և ־֮ ׸־ ֜ ׸־ ־ִָ 2006 י ߴ֟ ֜ ־֮ ָָ ߴ֟ ָ ׮ֵӡ ־ , ֲ ֓և ԓ׸ ׻֋ ñן ֜ , ֮ 6.8 ֤ և ֣ ך ׻֋ ñן 6.6 ֤ և ֯ ָ ֻ ֮ ß־ ñן 7 ֤ ߲ ׸־ ־֮ ׻֋ ׾ֿ ֮֮ , ֳ֬ , ߴ֟ ָ֜ ֻֻ ׯ֔ ֻ ֻ ֛ , ׮ָָ ֜ ֮ ֻ , ִ ִ־֮ ׻֋ 000 ָָ և ֮ ָ ׾ֱ ֮ ֵ֤ , ֵ֤ ײֻ ֻ ײ֟ ֮ ֯և , Ù , ֕ և ֜ , 껵֮ ־֮Դ ָ ֟ և , ־֮Դ ꌵ Ù ֮ ֱ Ù ִ ײ כÙ֮ Ù , ֜ և ֻ֟ ؙ , ו ڛ , ֮ ߕ ߴ֟ ֜ ָָ ߕ ֟ և

ֳ֬ , ֯ ִ֬ ӡ ־ֻ High GDP is being targeted. Why high GDP leads to higher inflation? What is the Government's strategy to ensure that price of essential commodities are within the reach of the common man?

֟ ֮֮ ָָ ָ™, ԙ ָָ ׻֋ ׾ֿ פ , ָָ ֮֮ ֟֋ ָ ֮ ֻ ? ֣-֣ ֮֮ ׸ , ?

ӡ ָ ־ֻ Is the 'Indian system' to be held accountable for managing inflation, or, is it the Finance Ministry or the Reserve Bank of India? (3/000 ָ ֿ:)

-SSS/NBR-KLG/3K/4.45.

ߴ֟ ֵ (֟) : ָ ־ֻ , ӡ ֮֮ , in the last two years the prices of pulses have doubled. What is the Government's strategy to manage the prices of these items? ־ֻ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮֮ ֙ ֵ֤ -

ֲ ֮ , օ

ֵ֤ ֯ ,

֙ ִ ֤ ֵ֤ , ָ և ֜ , ֮ ֵ֤ ֵ֤ , ߕ ӯֻߴ , ֯ וֲ ִ ָ ָ ߕ ֋

ָ , ֳ֬ , և ֣ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ֤ ָ߲߲ , ֻ ֤ ߲ օ ִ ߛ , ֓ ִ֬ ֤ ִ֮ ׾ ָָ ו֮-ו֮ ߕ ֱ , ָ ֤ ֓և ֟֋ ִ ֤ ָ ֓ ֮ ֮־֤

(ִ֯)

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA (RAJASTHAN): Thank you Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir.

I have very carefully heard the 35-minute speech of my sister, Smt. Maya Singh. I do agree that price increase affects everybody, all over the country. There is no doubt about it. But, I think she lacks in many of the statistics which she was trying to give and I would like to explain, through you, to her and to the House, how the price increase mechanism works. Sir, price rise is a universal phenomenon. Everywhere in the world, either it is a developing country or even the developed countries like the USA or European countries where the GDP is hardly 1 per cent, 1/2 per cent and in Japan it is -1/2 per cent, there is some increase in the price, particularly in the essential commodities. It is a universal phenomenon. What we have to see is: what is the growth rate and what is the increase in the price and whether that has matched. The price increase -- anybody in the world knows -- is due to demand and supply. If there is a demand, whatever the Government does, there will be increase in the price. If the supply is surplus, the prices will go down. The Government has...

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Then, what for the Government?

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: Madam, if you want to ask questions, I will sit down. If you don't interrupt, I will reply to every question of yours. Let the hon. Chairman give me permission after your speech. But, if you interrupt, I cannot reply to your questions right away ...(Interruptions)...

If she is talking about West Bengal, I wish to say this. There are Communist Governments in West Bengal, Kerala and Tripura. Tell me why the land prices have gone up in the last one year. Land prices have doubled. Could you do anything? Why are you taking the land of farmers and giving it to industrialists? What is happening there? The prices are going up. What are you talking? ֯ ־ֻ , ֟ ֯ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)

Sir, the UPA Government has made this announcement and this is a part of the NCMP that the UPA is wedded to the welfare of farmers, agricultural labourers, weavers, workers and the weaker sections of the society. (CONTD. BY USY "3L")

NBR-USY/AKA/3l/4.50

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA (CONTD.): Our party is irrevocably committed to the well being of the common man across the country. And, this is the basic policy, on which this Government is functioning. On the one hand, you say that why you are not increasing the SMP; on the other, you say that why the prices have increased for the consumer. I will give you all the figures for different commodities. I mean, let us decide what do we want.

Sir, every year, the SMP increases. And, the SMP has got to increase because the prices of seeds, prices of fertilizers, the prices of chemicals, transport, marketing cost, are going up for the farmers. It has got to go up. Just now Maya Singhji has mentioned that many farmers are going away from farming because it is not remunerative. When, we increase the prices, the consumer has to pay for it. Then, you say, "Why have you increased the prices?" You want to increase the SMP price. Why was there a shortage of wheat? Why could the Government not procure the wheat? Because, the market price was higher than the SMP price. (Interruptions) ֯? ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): No; no. Please don't listen to that.

ӟ ֛פ : ָ, ־ֻ ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You please continue. (Interruptions)

ӟ ֛פ : ֮ ״ֻօ ..(־֮֬).. ֮ פ, ָ֕ , ֤ ִ ״ֻ ֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ֳ֬ , ֻ ..(־֮֬)..

ֵָ : ֳ֬ , ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬: ״Ù ..(־֮֬)..

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ֯ ..(־֮֬).. ָ ִ ֋օ ..(־֮֬)..

ֵָ : , ..(־֮֬)..

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ֻ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Only one clarification, Sir. Is he standing in support of price rise? (Interruptions)

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: Sir, I can't listen to all the voices. If the hon. Members speak one by one, only then can I clarify. (Interruptions) Have I said anything against... (Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You don't listen to them. (Interruptions) Please, please. (Interruptions) He is not yielding. (Interruptions)

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: Why are they shouting, I don't know? (Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You can note down the points and react on them later when your chance comes.

ӟ ֛פ : ִ֤ , ֯ ֛ և , ֯ ֤ ֮ ֻ , ֲ ֯ ֮ , ֯ օ

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ָ߱ , ֛פ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ (0 00 ׸֮) : ֯ ך ׮֋

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ָ ִ ֋օ

ֳ֬ : ֟ , ֯ ׮֋

ӟ ֛פ : , ֮־֤ ִ֤ ߅

Sir, every year, as I mentioned, the SMP has to be increased. And, I am with the Government; I am with everybody, with every farmer. I want that the SMP should go up. The salaries and wages have to be increased every year. The D.A. has to increase. Every six months, there is an increase of 3-4 per cent. Now, monitor prices are also going up. This is, as I said, a universal phenomenon. Just for the information of my friends, I would like to give some statistics. The salary hike in our country is the highest in Asia. The salary growth in 2005, in India, was 14.1 per cent, against Philippines -- 8.2 per cent; China -- 8.3 per cent; Thailand -- 6.3 per cent; Malaysia -- 5.6 per cent. That means, as compared to Malaysia, India has 3 times more increase. And, as compared to Philippines and China, it is nearly double. If you increase the salaries, the cost has to go somewhere. It has got to go in the production. There is more money in the hands of people. There is more demand. There is more consumption. It is a thing that has got to happen. But when Maya Singhji mentioned, ָ ֕ ֻ օ ׻֋ 2004 ß֮ ֮֟ ֵ ֕ , ׻֋ ֵ ? ִ ֤ NDA ֕ օ ..(־֮֬)..

֚ : ֯ ִ ֤ ֟ ו֋ ..(־֮֬).. ֮֯ ִ ֤ ִ ָ ׻ֵ օ ..(־֮֬).. ֕ ִ ֤ ָ , ..(־֮֬)..

ֵָ : 2004 ֵ֟, 2005 ֟և? ..(־֮֬).. ײָ , ֻ , ? ..(־֮֬)...

(Followed by 3m -- VP)

SCH/VP/PB/MCM/4.55 & 5.00/3M- 3N

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Are you yielding?

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: No; Sir.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: He is not yielding. ֯ ך

ֵָ : ָ, ػ ֟ , , ִ ػ ־ֻ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬: ֯ ӟ ׸և ...(־֮֬) ֯ ו֋ ...(־֮֬) ׮֋, ֯ և ...(־֮֬)

. ִ ӛָ: ֮ : ֯ ׻֋ ֟ ...(־֮֬)

֚: : , ӛָ ...(־֮֬)

. ִ ӛָ: ֮֟ ־ָ ֻ ֮ : , ֓և þָ ו֋

֚: ֯ : օ

ֳ֬: , ߕ ך, ך ...(־֮֬) Please continue. Don't get interrupted by others, you continue.

ӟ ֛פ: ֵ ߋ ׻֋ , ֮ ן ֟ ָ ֮ Ӆ ֲ ֛ߋ ׻֋ ֟ ™ ֮֟ ָ ֮ ֤ ֕ ָ ֤Կ , ׻֋ ָ ֤Կ , ֻ ֮ ו֋, ו֋ ָ ו֋, ָ ֯ ָָ ״ֻ ...(־֮֬)

֚: ֮ ׻֋ ?

ֳ֬ (0 00 ׸֮) : ߕ, ֚ , , ֯ ך ..(־֮֬) .

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: Now, I would like to mention some statistics for the information of the NDA constituents, and for my friends on this side also. I will give some figures from 1998 onwards. In 1998-99, the GDP growth was 6.5 per cent, money supply growth was 19.4 per cent and inflation was 5.9 per cent. In 1999-2000, the figures were 6.1 per cent, 14.6 per cent, and 3.3 per cent. In 2000-01, you will be amazed to see the figures, after you people came to power, the GDP was only 4.4 per cent, the money supply was 16.8 per cent, whereas the inflation rate was 7.2 per cent. Have you thought about all these figures? Sir, during 2001-02, what has happened every year? GDP growth was 5.8 per cent and 3.6 per cent was the inflation growth. In 2002-03, GDP growth was 3.8 per cent. It was only 3.8 percent! There was no growth. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: We do not eat percentages. We eat vegetables, pulses and cereals.

ӟ ֛פ: , ־ֲ ...(־֮֬) ֟ ־ֲ , ֳ ֯ ֟ ־ֲ օ

ֳ֬: , ӟ ֯ ״ֻ, ִֵ ׻֋, ֟ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬) ך ...(־֮֬)

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: He is talking about the NDA constituents and I am an NDA constituent. Sir, I am telling you, we do not eat percentages. ...(Interruptions)...

ӟ ֛פ: և ...(־֮֬) և ֮ ...(־֮֬) և ߕ ...(־֮֬) և ֮ ...(־֮֬) What is the inflation? ֮ ׻֋...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ (0 00 ׸֮) : You can reply later. ...(Interruptions).. Please note down the points and reply when you speak. ...(Interruptions)... ֯ ך ...(־֮֬) ә֮ ֟ , ֯ ך ..(־֮֬)

ӟ ֛פ: ױ ִ ֜ ֵ ...(־֮֬) , , ֮ ֟ , What is inflation? ֮ և ֟

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please don't get annoyed. ...(Interruptions)...

ߴ֟ Ӥ ָ: ֯ ֙ և , և ִ֣Ԯ ֛ ...(־֮֬)

ӟ ֛פ: ֋ ֙ և ...(־֮֬) ӛ߾ߕㆻ ֯ , ָָ ָ ֮ , ӡ ߅ I think you know the system. In 2002-03, there was a GDP growth of 3.8 per cent and inflation was 3.4 per cent. In 2003-04, there was a GDP growth of 8.5 per cent. Now this figure is most vital for your information. In 2003-04, the GDP growth was 8.5 per cent. What was the money supply growth? It was 16.7 per cent. Inflation was 5.5 per cent. Whereas in 2005-06, the GDP growth was 8.4 per cent and inflation rate was only 4.4 per cent.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bagrodiaji, you can continue your speech tomorrow. Further discussion on this debate will continue tomorrow. The House stands adjourned till 11.00 a.m. on Wednesday, the 6th December 2006.

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The House then adjourned at

five of the clock till eleven of the clock

on Wednesday, the 6th December, 2006.

 

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