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The House reassembled at one minute past five of the clock,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.

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SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Sir, I have a point of order. SIMI is a banned organisation. (Interruptions). It is an organisation which has been banned under the Unlawful Activities Act for anti-national and seditious activities. Its name has repeatedly come in various other insurgent and terrorist activities in recent times. Now there was a move recently to remove the ban. The Central Government rightly refused to remove the ban. Therefore, if any membership of a banned organisation is promoted or taken outside this House; if the cause of the banned organisation is advocated outside the House, it would be a criminal offence of promoting activities of a seditious organisation under the Unlawful Activities Act. No Member can be allowed to use immunity granted to him in this House and start, directly or indirectly, promoting activities of anti-national and seditious organisation by justifying its activities, directly or indirectly, and start comparing it with organisations of nationalistic character. He may disagree with these organisations. But he cannot start comparing their activities with organisations which are doing lawful and ideological activities. Therefore, what the Member has done is highly objectionable. The Member ought to withdraw these words immediately. If he does not withdraw it, he should be reprimanded for that and his remarks should be expunged.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, RSS was also... (Interruptions).

ֳ֯ן : ״ , ָٙ ֯ ׾ֵ , ֯ ֮֯ Ԯև֮ ִ ׻֋ , ָ000 ָ ִ߅ ֕ ִߠ  Ԯև֮ , RSS is not a banned organisation. *  Ԯև֮ - Ԯև֮ ָ ִ ִֻ֮ Ԯև֮ , ׻֋ ֯ ܾß ׻֋ ֮ , ָ ֯ ׾֤ ......(־֮֬) ָ ָ .....(־֮֬)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ܾß ֟ ׸, ߴ ׸ ״ , ֌ , ֟ ׸š ָ ִ֮ , ָ և ״ֻ ֵ ֻ օ ֳ֯ן , ֯ ֓ ֮ ֌ ......(־֮֬) ߴָ ָ, ׸š ָ ִ֮ ׻֋ և ׾ ִ֮ ״ֻ ֵ ִֵ ֤ ֟ , ֻ ׾ ִ֮ ָ000 ׮ֿ֮ ָ ׻֋ .......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ׸ ֵ֮ ֋......(־֮֬) ׸ ָ ֤ ......(־֮֬) ә ֱ ֛ ָ ػ .......(־֮֬) (3A ָ )

GS-RG/3A/5.05

ָ֮ ״ : ָ, ֯ ָ ֟ ? ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ϟכ ׸ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : 238 "uttering treasonable, seditious or defamatory words" Now, SIMI is a banned organisation. So, this comparison is not correct. ֯ӕ

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*Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

0 ֮ : ָ, ׾֤ ? ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : օ ..(־֮֬)..

0 ֮ : , , ֻօ ..(־֮֬).. ָ օ ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ׸ߴӛ ׸ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : , ֤ ..(־֮֬).. , , օ ..(־֮֬).. ևә ֱ ֛ ֤ ػ ߕ ֯ פ ػօ ..(־֮֬).. Please respect the ruling...(Interruptions) A point of order has been raised and the Chair has given his ruling...(Interruptions) I request you to go back...(Interruptions)

. ֮ : ִ ִ֣Ԯ ֤ ? ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ׸ ..(־֮֬)..

0 ֮ : ִ ִ֣Ԯ ֕֟ ֤ ߅ ..(־֮֬).. ..(־֮֬).. ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֋, ػ ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ׸ ..(־֮֬).. ֲ ֯ӕ ֯ ..(־֮֬)..

0 ֮ : ֵ֟ ִ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֯ և ..(־֮֬)..֯ և ..(־֮֬).. , ֯ և ..(־֮֬).. I have expunged it. I have given my ruling..(Interruptions) You are a former speaker. Tell me what else can I do? ֯ ״׮Ù ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֤֟ ָ ֓ ..(־֮֬).. ָ ִ ִ֣Ԯ ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The Chair has given his ruling. You tell me what else can the Presiding Officer do?(Interruptions)

DR. MURLI MANOHAR JOSHI: Sir, the Home Minister is here. Will he agree that SIMI is a banned organisation, that it is involved in various anti-national activities and also involved in the Mumbai bomb blasts?(Interruptions)

ֳ֯ן : ֯ և ..(־֮֬).. The Home Minister is on his legs...(Interruptions) ֯ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ׾ ӡ ( ӿ ֤ ) : ֲ ֳ֯ן ֯ӕ פ ֲ ֟ ָ ו֙ ? ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ׻֋, ״׮Ù օ ..(־֮֬).. ӡ ֟և ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֮֯ ֵ ? ..(־֮֬)..

DR. MURLI MANOHAR JOSHI: Does he agree?(Interruptions)

֮ : ֳ֯ן , ӡ ֤ ֵ֟ ִ ִ֣Ԯ ..(־֮֬).. ֤ , ִ֣Ԯ , ֱֻ ӡ ֵԾ ?

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ӡ , ֯ ָ ֟և ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ̴֕ : ֤ ִ ִ֣Ԯ ..(־֮֬)..

ی ی : ی ی یی ʪ ی ی ۔

ֳ֯ן : ֯ և ..(־֮֬)..

֮ : ִ ֲ ֛ ׸Ù Ԯև֮ ..(־֮֬)..

(3 ָ )

TDB-SC-MP-KGG/3B&3C/5.10&5.15

ӿ ֤ : ָ, ? , ָ֮ ״ , ֯ӕ օ ? ..(־֮֬).. ?..(־֮֬).. ־ֻ ־ֲ ..(־֮֬).. פ, ֮֯ ֯ӕ օ..(־֮֬).. כ ֈ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֮֯ ־ֻ ..(־֮֬)..

֮ : ֯ ӡ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ׻ֵ ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ך ..(־֮֬)..

֮֮ߵ ֤õ : ևә ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ևә ? ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ӡ ߅..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ך օ ..(־֮֬)..ך, ך ߕ̅ , ֯ ך..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ֵ : ӡ ָ ־ָ ֤ ..(־֮֬)..

׿־ָ֕ .י : ߴ֮, ֲ ֲ֮ ״ֻ ֮ ִֵ פ ָ ֟ - ָ ֋ ֋ ..(־֮֬)..

0 ֮ : ֱ ִ ָ ־ֲ ..(־֮֬)..

..׻ֵ : - , ֯ ִ ..(־֮֬)..ִ banned ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : , ֮ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

׿־ָ֕ .י : ־ֲ ֺ ׿ֿ օ ָ ֌ ֮ ֤ ־ֲ ׿ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ך օ ָ ֟ ו֋..(־֮֬)..

׿־ָ֕ .י : ָ ׸Ù ..(־֮֬).. ֵ֟ ֵ 18 ֮ ֻ ֲ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : 18 25 ..(־֮֬)..

DR. MURLI MANOHAR JOSHI: We just want to listen about the SIMI. ...(Interruptions)...

..׻ֵ : ֯ ־ֻ ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ֵ : Ͽ ָ ..(־֮֬).. ־ֲ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI C. RAMACHANDRAIAH: Please come to the point. ...(Interruptions)...

׿־ָ֕ .י : ָ 25 ֮ ֻ , ֻ ֋ ־ֲ ֮ ׻֋ օ ׸Ù ֯ ..(־֮֬).. ו֮ , ָ ֟..(־֮֬)..

SHRI EKANATH K. THAKUR: We are talking about the SIMI matter.

0 ֮ : ߬ ־ֻ ִ  ..(־֮֬)..

׿־ָ֕ .י : ֯ ״֮֙ և ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֮ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ӕֵ ֈ : 㴲և Ù ִ ֣ ? ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ִ  ݮև֮ ? ..(־֮֬)..

׿־ָ֕ .י : ߴ֮, ֮ ׻֋ ㌟ ׻֋ ֛ ָ ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ִ  ݮև֮

ֳ֯ן : ִ , ̸ ׮֋ օ , ֮ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

׿־ָ֕ . י : ֯ ֌ ֻߙ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֻߙ ו֋..(־֮֬).. ׸Ù ִֵ ״ֻ ֲֻ ׻֋ ִ֮ ֵ 㴲և ָ ֲֻ ׻֋ ִ֮ ֋ ָ ֳ ׾ָ֓ ֲ ׾֮֟ ..(־֮֬)..

..׻ֵ : ִ  ? ..(־֮֬)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record. ...(Interruptions)... Nothing will go on record. ...(Interruptions)...

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : *

0 ֮ : *

..׻ֵ : *

֮ : *

 

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record. ...(Interruptions)...

The House is adjourned to meet at 11.00 a.m. tomorrow.

The House then adjourned

at sixteen minutes past five of the clock till eleven of the clock

on Thursday, the 27th July, 2006.

 

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* Not recorded

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