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NBR-USY/4N/7.00

SHRI K.P.K. KUMARAN (CONTD.): If we can cover the farmers under the crop insurance, loans to farmers can be given against the insured amount without any collateral guarantee. This would free the farmers from falling into the debt trap. There should also be a system for punishing moneylenders who charge unreasonably high rate of interest. This would protect the farmers from taking any drastic step.

In spite of all this, in prolonged situations of droughts or floods, the Government should step in with relief measures. I am proud to place on record that the DMK Government, as soon as it came to power in May, one of the first orders passed by the Chief Minister, Dr. Kalaignar, was the waiver of farmers' loans to the tune of Rs. 7,000 crores. It is announcement, like this, which offer hope to the farmers that there is someone to safeguard their interests, and refrain them from taking any drastic step.

An excellent scheme, which will act as a safety net, is the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme, brought in by this Government under Dr. Manmohan Singh. This is the most compassionate poverty alleviation scheme introduced in Free India. We have to ensure that the roadblocks in its implementation are removed and more districts are covered soon.

Again, in Tamil Nadu, our Chief Minister has announced that rice will be made available to the poor at Rs. 2 per kilogram. It is these types of measures which can alleviate the poverty, and it should be implemented nationwide.

Sir, we talk of suicide by farmers. There is a psychological factor also in it, which we should study. The cultural scenario in the villages has changed dramatically over the years. In olden days, there used to be a song for planting, a song for drawing water, a song for harvesting, so on and so forth. The entire atmosphere was different. There used to be more support from the community and nobody would think of suicide. Over the period of time, the situation has changed. The Government should look for ways and means to revive the old culture. These are things that we can do to provide a safety net to the farmers so that they don't commit suicide. The other thing that we should do is that we make sure that they come up in the society. It is also the political aspect. Nobody can ignore the farmers any more. The last parliamentary elections and some of the State elections have proved that if farmers are not happy the Government will not return to power. So, it makes a political sense to enable the upward mobility of farmers. It also makes economic sense. Our economy is booming at 8 per cent. It was started by a boom in a very small sector, that is, the IT and BPO. This sector grew and spent money on buying houses, buying cars, buying white goods and spending on entertainment. It has created a boom in the variety of industries. Imagine, Sir, if more than 70 per cent of our population had more disposal income. What would happen to our economy? The economy, I am sure, will grow at double the speed and India would take its rightful place on the top of the world as economic superpower. So, we should ensure that farmers get more money by maximising the profit from the farm operations.

Sir, enhancing the quantum of the M.S.P., year after year, has not effected enhancement of the farmers economic or social position.

'Minimum' is the keynote of the system, which has yielded only a minimum benefit, which is the barest minimum for the unbearable ills in the lives of farmers.

A study by the Tata Institute of Social Sciences has found that over a period of 8 years, from 1996 to 2004, the cost of cultivation has outstripped the minimum support price by a big margin, for example, 38 per cent for paddy and 47 per cent for wheat. So, we have to completely modify the procurement price and revise it upwardly immediately so that farmers are able to, at least, retrieve the cost of cultivation. In addition, there should be a mechanism for the procurement price to change from season to season and region to region, based on the cost of cultivation. The cost of cultivation is not enough to the farmers, there should be more measures to maximise his profits. One of the best ways to do this is to do away with the middleman. Again, I would like to say with some pride Dr. Kalaignar came out with a very novel idea of Ulavar Sandhai, means, Farmers' Market. He created Farmers' Markets in all the towns, where farmers could take their produce and the consumers could buy directly, thus, completely leaving the middleman. An additional concept was that farmers could bring their produce through the State Transport Corporation buses plying on their routes. (Contd. by 4o -- VP)

VP/7.05/4O

SHRI K.P.K. KUMARAN (CONTD.): It helps to maximise his returns better. Sir, the Government must seriously look into this proposal and try to implement it nationwide. It is an excellent scheme.

Sir, another thing to look at is contract farming. It is in its nascent stage in India. But this, again, plays the role of bringing the farmer and consumer closer to each other. While we promote contract farming, we should also bring safeguards for farmers so that they do not get cheated by the corporate entities. We should provide legal safeguards for the farmer. And when we promote contract farming, we should also make sure that the indigenous seed varieties do not become extinct by the domination of new and hybrid varieties. A caution also must be taken to ensure that the soil structure is not damaged by rampant use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Keeping these cautions in mind, I think, the Government should promote contract farming in a large way. The Government is already encouraging the food processing industry which also has an important role to play in linking the farmers to the final consumers in the domestic as well as international markets. If we can encourage the food processing industry, in the next ten years, our food production can double and we can become a leading food supplier of the world.

We have cold storage facilities for only ten per cent of our fruits and vegetables. It is estimated that 20 per cent of our food is wasted because of lack of proper storage facilities. The Government should encourage the setting-up of cold storage facilities also. The Government should also develop protocols for storage and processing food. When all these food-processing industries grow, the Government should also ensure coordination among the farmers, industrialists, bankers, insurance companies and the scientists. They should form coordination committees to ensure proper coordination between all these sectors. The Government can also help by minimising input costs, and, thereby, making farm operations more profitable. Sir, again, it is pertinent to point out that Dr. Kalaignar announced free power supply for all agricultural connections in the year 1990. More such incentives are needed for farmers.

The interest rates have been reduced, and there is scope for further reduction.

Apart from these, in the long term, the Government has to invest in irrigation projects. Sir, a lot of coastline land has become salty. The ground water has become salty, and the only way to remedy the situation is by bringing big irrigation projects and water to these parched lands.

Again, spending on research and education has to increase. Other countries have gone way ahead of India in terms of productivity and yield. And after research, we have to provide the information effectively back to the farmers. Maybe, the Government can run 24-hour channel just for agriculture in all regional languages to provide the information back to the farmers. So, all these require investments. ...(Interruptions)... The investment in rural development sector has steadily decreased over the last five decades, and it is now only 5.9 per cent of the GDP whereas 70 per cent of our people depend on agriculture. Sir, this trend has to be reversed and we should allocate more and more money to this sector and we are sure to reap the social, economic and political benefits. In conclusion, I hope all the suggestions brought forth by the Members today can be taken up, with a sense of urgency, so that we not only create a safety net for farmers, but also help them to shine in our society. Finally, let us hope that weather gods are benign and bring a bountiful harvest this year. Thank you. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): It was his maiden speech, but he has brought out some new good points.

(Followed by 4P)

PK/7.10/4P

KUMARI NIRMALA DESHPANDE (NOMINATED): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, I won't repeat what my friends have already said. I would just like to make a basic point that suicide by farmers is like an alarm bell. It seems that something is basically wrong with our whole agricultural policy, for the last few decades. May I just draw the attention of the hon. Minister --who himself is an agriculturist and, also, I would say, a true representative of the farmers-- that the Mother Earth is in tears? All over the world, a kind of consciousness has developed that we should not exploit the Earth but try to do agriculture in such a way that the Mother Earth will bless all the children, and that is called, in a way, organic farming or we have given it a name, non-violent agriculture. The fertility of the soil is being eroded slowly and is being lost because of too much doses of chemical fertilizers, pesticides and insecticides. This is a whole cycle. May I just draw your attention to the original book 'Farmers of Forty Centuries' by Dr. King, about more than 100 years back? On the basis of that, an agriculture expert, Dr. Harvard, was sent by the British Government to teach new agricultural practices to the Indians. When he came to India, especially to Indore, he found out that there was hardly anything he could teach. There was much to learn from the Indian farmers and that is exactly what Dr. King said: "the farmers of forty centuries like Indians and Chinese have maintained the fertility of the soil for 40 centuries." But now, within a short period, that is being depleted. So, we have to change the whole style of farming and going back to the nature use all bio-dynamic fertilizers like gobar, vermicompost, and like that. If we shift to that, we will find that farmers will not have to invest much in farming; they can be self-sufficient. So, there is a whole cycle. If organic fertilizers are given to the soil, plants will become healthy; if plants are healthy, pests don't attack them--- then, you will not require pesticides and insecticides -- and if humans eat those grains, they will also become healthier. So, right from the soil to human being, there is a cycle and this has to be taken into consideration. Let us apply our minds to these basic concepts and take to organic farming, or, the non-violent agriculture. And, last but not the least, in New Zealand, Mr. Peter Proctor has developed a society for organic farming and he has also developed a new technique called cowhorn manure. I won't explain it now, because there is no time. When he was asked by Indian Scientists as to how did you learn that; he said, well, I learnt it from your Vedas. In Atharvaveda, there is a kind of technique which explains how to use it. And, with a few grams of that cowhorn manure, you can provide fertilizer to one hectare. Well, it has been studied by many farmers, and even in India, there are small, small pockets where all this is being practised. So, I would like to request the hon. Minister to give a serious thought to the problem of retaining the fertility of the soil, which in turn, will make the farmers to pay less for fertilizers; so that there is a healthy soil, healthy plants, healthy human beings and peace in a healthy society. Thank you.

(Ends) (Followed by 4Q/PB)

PB-AKA/4Q/7.15

00 ֯ (ԙ) : ָ, , ֯ ָ ֮֯ ֮ ׻֋ ֵօ ֛-֛ פ֕ ߓ ֮ ֛

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): If it is your maiden speech, then, I will not control you; rather you should exercise self-control.

SHRI K.B. SHANAPPA: Sir, I will always be under your control; nothing to worry.

, ݵ ֟ ֮ ïߓ ֮ ָ , ֲ ָ ֮ ֮֮ ִֵ ֻ֟ օ ָ߲ ָ , ֮ ָ , ׾µ ָ ֲ ֮ ֮֟ , ֌ ֮ ֤֮ , ֟ ֤֟ , ו ֻ ֤ á ֵ ־֮, ֵ ֮ ִ ָ ֮ ߜ ִ ָ ֟ , ֱ פ , but what happened to him all of a sudden? Up to nineties, he was very well, ֮ ״֙߿֮ ֵ ֮ ֤ ֤ , ָ ֜ օ - ֮և֮ ֜ ֵ, ֮ ָ ֤ ֜ ֵօ ֮ ׻֋ ֕ ֤ , ֮ ״ֻ ׻֋ ֤ , ֮ ׻֋ , 110 ֲ֤ ֮ ֤ ßֻ , ֻ ֻ֮ ָ֮ ֋, ֛-֛ ֤ ׮ֵ և, ״ ߕ և, ֵ ָ ،֙ ָ ׮ֻ֟ , 8 ،֙ ׮ֻ , 8 ،֙ ֻ֓ פֵ ֵ 8 ،֙ ֻ֓ ֻ ֵօ ָ, ֮ ָ , ôֻ ӛ כִ ָָ , ֛ ָָ ָօ ֮ ֮֋ ֋ ػ ֵ֮ ֵ, - ָ ֣ ׮ ևԅ ָָ և ֵ, ָ ָ , ֮ և և 1996 ֤ farmers started dying. ״ֻ֮ ֵ, ֮ ׻ֵ ֯ , ו ר ֕ , ֜ ֵօ So, he continued to face it, as a result of which, he was forced to commit suicide. (Followed by 4r/SKC)

SKC/SCH/7.20/4R

.. ֯ (֟): ָ, ݵ ֟ ֕ ֮ ָ , 60 ֤֕ ֤ ָ ֮ ֵ֮

֮֮ߵ ָ ־ָ ָ ֲ ߤ ̤֕ ֮ ֮ ԙ ֮ ֲ ֓ և ׾֤ Ϭ֮ ӡ 3,750 ֵ , ԙ ֮ ִֵ ֯ ָ օ Ϭ֮ ӡ ׮ ԙ ֋, ԙ ֵ֕ ֮ Ϥ ֻ ֋ ָ, ֻ ԙ ֜ և , ָ ֲ֤ ԙ ֜ և ִ Ӿ, ߕ֯, ֤, ֲ ֵ֓ ׬ ֜ և, ֮֟ ָ ׸ , ָ ֜ ֺ ևԅ ָ™ Ù ׸ ו֮֟ ׸ , ֮֮ excess water has been released ו ֙ϳ, ֻ֯ϳ, ߴ פ ָ Ӿ ָ ֋

ָ, ֯ ׸ ֮֟ ֻ ߱ ״׮Ù ߱ ״׮Ù ׻֮ ֋ , ֮ ֻ ו֮֟ ָ ֮ , ָָ פօ ״ֻ ֜ 229 ֮־ָ ָ ֋ 104 ֮ և, 88,000 hectares of land have been spoiled. ֮ ֮ ׬ ָ֮ ԙ ָָ ֮ ײ ו֮֟ , ֮ פօ ֛ ִ֯ և, bridges have collapsed. Crops have been spoiled and they have come to the Central Government to seek their help. So far, they were expecting that the Government of India would come to their rescue. ֯ ԙ ָָ ׿ ֛ և ֕ ֮֯ ֮ Ϥ 100 ֵ , ָ™ ֮֯ 200 ֵ ֵ֟ , ָ ָ 1,400 ֵ ֮ , ־֕ פ ֵօ

Sir, I don't want to go into the politics, ָ ֮֕ן ֟ , ֮ ֿ ָ ָָ ϕ֟ӡ ָָ ָ ״ֻߕ ָָ , ֮ ֮ , ָ ֮ ֻ ֮

ָ, ָ ֲ וֻ ִ ֻ , ָ ևخ ֕ 15 ֮ ֻ ևՅ ִֵ ߵ ָָ ԙ ָָ ֣ ֯ ֕ ߤ ֯ ֤ ׻֋ ֋ꅠ

֣ ֟ , ֯ ֤ ִֵ פ ә ֮ ֟ ִ֯ օ ֯ ԙ 2001 8,578 ֟ ֕ ִ֮ ֋ , ֮ Ϥ 1,926 ִֻ ֋ ָ™ 983 ִֻ ֋ , ԙ ֤ ״ֻ ׻֋ ָ, ֯ ִ֬ let us not play politics in the matter of farmers' suicide.

׻֋ ֟ , ׬

MCM/4S ָ ָ

HK-MCM/4s/7.25

. . ֯ (֟) : ײ֮֕ և ֮ ָ ׾ ֟ ׻ և -'֙ ׾ֻ', ׻־ָ 껛ô֣ ꇴ , ָ, ֛ ֟ ָ ֟ , "Ill fares the land, to hastening ills a prey; where wealth accumulates, and men decay. Princes and lords may flourish, or may fade; a breath can make them, as a breath has made. But a bold peasantry, their country's pride, when once destroyed, can never be supplied." Thank you. (Ends)

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI (MAHARASHTRA): Thank you, very much, Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir. I rise as a very morose and sombre person. As you know and as the Minister for Agriculture knows, the fact that for the last fifteen years two farmers have been committing suicides practically every hour is a matter of personal tragedy for me. It is not just a social tragedy or a moment tragedy, it is a personal tragedy for me. The fact that in my region of Vidarbha, the Prime Minister himself went supported by so many eminent economists and could not forge a solution that could give the farmers hope enough to, at least, postpone the decision of suicide by a couple of hours or by a couple of days is personal tragedy for me. Thirty years back, we launched the first farmers' movement in India after the Green Revolution. The Green Revolution had increased the productivity of agriculture by 10 to 15 times and farmers had reached a state where the more they grew, the less they got and that was where the farmers' movement began, and we took an oath, Sir, saying that we will secure for the farmers remunerative prices, the full reward for his toil so that he can lead a life of self-respect and happiness exactly like any other citizen in this country. So, I admit and confess that I have failed because 25 years after I took that oath, for the first time, I find that the whole of India is strewn with bodies of the farmers who found it impossible to make a living and had no hope that their conditions will be any better. Sir, in 1960s, Lal Bahadur Shastri's slogan of 'Jai Jawan, Jai Kisan' and the accompanying Green Revolution started two processes -- the Jawan went on the war front, sacrificed himself and became a martyr; the farmer tried his best to contribute to the foodgrains production in the country. The Green Revolution happened; the productivity increased. But, at the same time, the Government failed to see that for his added effort he would get an adequate reward. While the productivity grew, while the production grew, the farmers were not able to even cover the cost of production and it is this wound which has gangrened over 50 years and this is a policy which was followed regularly over the last 50 years. We don't need to find out whether the BJP Government did it or whether the Congress Government did it. All that you have to see is during which period was the farmers' subsidy negatived. If that was negatived, that means that Government is guilty of farmers murder. If they did this, they are also guilty of that murder. The simple index is, did you have a negative effort or a positive effort. Sir, C. Subramaniam, for the first time, pointed out that with the Green Revolution, farmers have to be given an adequate remuneration. He appointed an Agricultural Prices Commission that was his creation. Sir, for the first five years, the Agricultural Prices Commission did succeed in giving comfortable prices to farmers which resulted in not only agricultural growth in Punjab, but even industrial development in Punjab. But after those five years were over and after Indira Gandhi became the Prime Minister, systematically, and I request the Minister for Agriculture to check it up, the Chairmanship of the Agricultural Prices Commission had been given to a Leftist who was, to start with, against the farmers, calling them kulaks, etc. (Contd. by 4t/KSK)

KSK/GS/7.30/4T

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI (CONTD): It is the appointment of Leftist Chairmen which resulted in farmers getting inadequate prices.

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, he is referring to Shrimati Indira Gandhi.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: Why is he interfering? He can talk afterwards.

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: You cannot criticise Shrimati Indira Gandhi....(Interruptions).

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: I am not conceding.

SHRI AJAY MAROO: Sir, Mr. Poojary should address the Chair.

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: You cannot...(Interruptions).

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Please, Mr. Poojary....(Interruptions).

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: After the death of Pt. Nehru.....(Interruptions).

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Shrimati Indira Gandhi gave land to farmers.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Poojary, please....(Interruptions). That is enough. Mr. Joshi, please come to the point.

SHRI SURENDRA LATH: Sir, hon. Member should address the Chair.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: I am not conceding.

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Shrimati Indira Gandhi......(Interruptions).

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: It is a gangrene wound for the last 50 years....(Interruptions). I stand by every word that I have spoken.

ֵָ : פ Ӭ ֱֻ ֛ ֻ ֯ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: I would advice you to do some studies.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: What the hon. Member has said about Indiraji is contrary to the truth...(Interruptions). It was only during Indiraji's time that there was the Green Revolution in this country. I know his sentiments. He is criticising the Left without....(Interruptions). He is doing injustice to the farmers...(Interruptions).

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: Sir, I will complete the sentence that it is a gangrene wound....(Interruptions). I am not conceding. ...(Interruptions).

֤ߵ ֵ ӡֵֻ ֕ ӡ ( ֓) : ֳ֬ , ׾ֵ ӳ߸ ™֟ ֟ , ֵפ ֮ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

ߠ ָ ӟָ־ : ֯ ֲ ֮ ֺ ..(־֮֬)..

֓ : ߕ , ֯ע֮֕ , ֵ ֤ ֵԾ ׾ֻׯ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

׾ ִ : ָ, ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֯ ֵ֟ ִ ֯ע֮֕ ? ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Please, take your seat. Mr. Vikramji, your leader is speaking.

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֳ֬ , ־ã Ͽ ..(־֮֬).. ֵ Ù ָ ٻִֵ כ ן֯ ֻ֮ , ֢ ֟ ֵ ï™ ֻ֮ ִ , ו ִ ֤ ӡ ֟ ӓ ו֋ ..(־֮֬).. ֮ ..(־֮֬).. ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

׾ ִ : ָ ? ..(־֮֬).. ָ ֛ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: I have said....(Interruptions).

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֳ֬ , ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: When he is telling something....(Interruptions).

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please, take your seat....(Interruptions). See, this is an important discussion. We have no time. There are about eight more speakers. Now, I will see through the records. If there is anything objectionable, it will be deleted.

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ־ã Ͽ If there is anything objectionable. (continued by 4u)

GSP-SC/7.35/4u

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ (֟) : ׾ֻׯ֟ פ ֋, ֤ߵ ֵԴӡ , ׾ֻׯ֟ ׮ִֵ ..(־֮֬).. ָ ֤ߵ ..(־֮֬)..

֓ : ֻ פ ֯ע֮֕ ֲ ßֻ ֵ ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ߴ֟ פ Ӭ ֲ ֤ߵ ..(־֮֬)..

֓ : פ ֯ע֮֕ ֲ ßֻ ..(־֮֬).. ֵפ ֤ ֵԾ ׻ֵ ..(־֮֬).. ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ߴ֟ פ Ӭ ֵפ , ߴ֟ פ Ӭ ֲ ֤ߵ , -ֻ߮ ןֵ ֻ֮ ן֯ ׬ָ ..(־֮֬)..

֓ : ֵפ ֲ ßֻ ..(־֮֬)..ֵԤ פ ֻ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֤ߵ ֵԴӡ , ֻ֮ ׬ָ ? ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Sushmaji, you made your point. Now, you take your seat.

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֻ֮ ׬ָ ?..(־֮֬)..

ָ ӟָ־ : ָ, , ™..(־֮֬)..

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, I am on a point of order. (Interruptions) Sir, it is 238A. (Interruptions) Sir, the question is not that it is against the party, it is the criticism of the former Prime Minister who is no more. Why should he criticise?...(Interruptions)....

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Mr. Poojary, I have already given the ruling. (Interruptions) I will go through the records and if there is anything objectionable, I will expunge it. (Interruptions)

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, she is no more. (Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I have given the ruling, please. Please sit down. (Interruptions)

SHRI SURENDRA LATH: Sir, we have a right to criticise. (Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I have already given the ruling. (Interruptions)

ֵָ : ֯ ֟և ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I have already given the ruling. (Interruptions)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֮֟ ׻֋ ֯ ֻ֮ ..(־֮֬).. ׻֋ ֮֟ ֯ ֻ֮ ֻ֮ ֯ ߅..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ : ִ , ֯ ך ..(־֮֬).. I have already given the ruling.

And, if there is anything objectionable, it will be expunged. (Interruptions) I will go through the records. Mr. Pani, please take your seat. (Interruptions) Your Leader is speaking.

֚ : ֯ ֟և, ֮ יև ? ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: You are great people. (Interruptions) You praise her. Don't criticise her. (Interruptions) Today, she is not..(Interruptions)...

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֕ כ כ ןֵ ֻ֮ ? ..(־֮֬)..֕ כ ןֵ ֻ֮ ?..(־֮֬)..ו֮ ָ ֻ ֻ ֕ , ןֵ ֻ֮ ?..(־֮֬)..׻֋ ֕ ?..(־֮֬)..כ ןֵ ֻ֮ , ߴ֟ פ Ӭ ןֵ ֻ֮ ׻֋ ׾֯ ..(־֮֬)..ָ ָ ֕ ןֵ ֻ֮ ֮ ..(־֮֬)..ָ ָ ֕ ן֯ ׬ָ ֯ ןֵ ֻ֮

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): ִ , ֯ ך Mr. Joshi, you please continue. (Interruptions)

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: That is what you don't know. (Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Joshi, please come to the point of farmers' suicide. (Interruptions) Mr. Poojary, please take your seat. (Interruptions)

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: You follow the rules. (Interruptions)

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ: We are following the rules. (Interruptions) ֕ ֟ ֻֆ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please take your seats. (Interruptions) Mr. Joshi, you please come to the point. The issue is suicide committed by farmers. You are a well-experienced leader of farmers with lot of knowledge. Give your suggestions rather than going astray from the main point.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: Sir, I am giving the suggestion but I have to do the diagnosis. How can I give the prescription without diagnosis? What I said, Sir, is whether the Government was good to the farmers or not, can be examined by an objective criterion, i.e., whether during that period, the AMS was positive or negative. I gave a very positive criterion. You can examine it. And, then, I said, all this period, the AMS was negative.

Finally, Sir, I came to the conclusion that the gangrene wounds of the farmers over these fifty years are now expressing themselves in the form of suicides. Now, I will come to the prescription as to what has to be done, and, these are very concrete suggestions. I think, what the Prime Minister could not achieve in going to Vidarbha, you will be able to achieve that, if you show the necessary courage.

Firstly, providing additional credit is not going to help. When the Prime Minister declared from the Red Fort that the supply of credit has increased from Rs. 87,000 crores to Rs. 1,68,000 crores, a senior officer of NABARD was declaring that not only the refinancing has come down, but the cooperative banks are also not giving loans at seven per cent because they have certain apprehensions about the policy of seven per cent. At the same time, Sir, they expressed the doubt that even though the amount had increased, the number of beneficiaries had not increased. That means that the same people were getting the new loans as well. Now, if this is the situation, additional credits are not going to help the farmers. On the other hand, additional credits will get them into further indebtedness. (Contd. by sk-4W)

SK-MP/4w/7.40

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI (CONTD.): The second thing, Sir, is a finding of a very respectable body that 40 per cent of the farmers want to leave the agriculture because they find that it is no more possible to live in it. And, I had made a suggestion that most of the farmers, and this is something that I am prepared to convince the farmers about; if the Agriculture Minister shows the courage, the farmers, even though they talk of the black mother, the mother earth, etc., in fact, whenever they get an opportunity, they quit agriculture. They vote by feet. I think, what else should be done is, as before the Green Revolution, the farmers got a chance to quit because of the tenancy legislation, because of the Ceiling Act, etc., they have to be given some kind of a vent out, a kind of a golden shake hand, a voluntary retirement scheme by developing a land market where the farmers can offer a land for sale and those who think they can do better in agriculture, can purchase the land and come in. That is going to be the best solution for giving a ray of hope to the farmers.

Thirdly, Sir, talking particularly about Vidarbha, I have said that the accentuating cause in Vidarbha has been the joining of Vidarbha, for political reasons, into Maharashtra. That has resulted into a cotton monopoly scheme which has resulted in a very massive exploitation of the cotton-growing farmers in Vidarbha and diversion of irrigation funds from Vidarbha to south Maharashtra on the pretext that if that water is not saved, it will go to Karnataka or Andhra Pradesh. I think, Sir, if the present Government makes an announcement, it is already talking about Telangana, that they will also give serious consideration to the separation of Vidarbha, that itself will be a good signal, and I can say that we will stop most of the suicides. (Time-bell)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Please conclude it now.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: Okay, Sir. I am glad that the Minister for Agriculture's party has already given a sort of green signal to the idea of Vidarbha, provided the people support it. And, I hope, ultimately, it will result in the formation of a separate Vidarbha. On that day onwards, Sir, I give a guarantee that there will not be a single suicide in Vidarbha.

One more thing, Sir. Prepare a help line network so that the farmers, who feel desperate, can contact you and then go and contact them. Don't pay them Rs. one lakh after they are dead. Go and contact them and find out what precisely are the problems of that family and try to resolve them.

Last but not the least, don't pay compensation for people who commit suicide because that actually encourages suicides. People find that if they get money, then, it is worthwhile committing suicide, and, at least, rest of the members of the family will live happily. And, there is a doubt that, at least, in some cases, the old people have been disposed of and shown as suicide. This is a very dangerous precedent, Sir, and, I think, encouraging what is, in law, a crime. (Time-bell) Giving them Rs. one lakh as compensation is bad in law, bad in morals. And, I hope the Minister for Agriculture will review the situation and will take some positive steps that will put an immediate halt on suicides. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

SHRI VIJAY J. DARDA (MAHARASHTRA): Sir, I am grateful that you have given me the opportunity. I hope that you will not intervene.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): You have to complete in five minutes.

SHRI VIJAY J. DARDA: Sir, I come from Vidarbha.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay, okay, you can take a little more time.

SHRI VIJAY J. DARDA: Sir, ֕ ֓ , farmers suicides ӲӬ , ׻֋ וִָ ? ׻֋ ן וִָ ָ և ןֵ וִָ , ו֮ ֕ ֟֋ ? ׾֯ ֆ ֟ ָ և ״׮Ù և ״׮Ù ևӤ ־ֿ , ִ ָ ֓ , և Ӳ׬֟ ֮֟ Ӳ׬֟ , ׾ֵ ָ ״ ֋ ֲ ߕ ֣ , ָ ֟ ן ֟ և ָ ֟ ֻ, ֟֋ , ִ ן֠ ֯ ֟ ... ֻ֟ ןֵ ֕ , ֮ ֟ ֻֻ ֻ ...(Interruptions)..(־֮֬)...(Interruptions).. ... ֻ֟ ןֵ, ֮ ׾ָ ןֵ ֕ ֟ֆ ֻֻ , ָ Ϭ֮ ӡ ϵ֟ ־֕ ׮֯֙ ...(Interruptions)..(־֮֬)...(Interruptions).. (Contd. by 4x)

ASC-YSR/7.45/4X

ֵָ : ֛ߋ ִֵ ֮ ָ ߋ ִֵ ֮ ָ ...(־֮֬)..

. סֵ : ָ ֤ ..(־֮֬).. ָ ֤ ...(־֮֬).. פ ָ פև , ָ ֤ פև օ ....(־֮֬)..

ֵָ : ֮ ָ , ֟և ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ (. .. ׸֮) : ״Ù , ֯ ך Please, don't waste time.

׾ֵ֕ . : ֳ֬ , ֵ֟ י֕ ֲ ֮ ֟ ֮ ו֟ ? ..(־֮֬)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Don't interrupt like this. We have very limited time.

׾ֵ֕ . : ָ Ϭ֮ ֮ܵ 75 ןֿ֟ Ӿ 65 ןֿ֟ Ӳ׬֟ ־ֵ ָ ֤ և ָ , ߸-߸ , ָ ֕ ֮ ֻ֟ ӟ ӳ߸ ָ߲, ߴָߠ ֮ ֿ ֟ , ׻֋ ֟ , ֮ ־ֿ ͅ ׻֋ ן וִָ ׾֢ߵ ן וִָ ֮ ֺ ָ ß ״ֻ֛֮ ܵ ӡ . ׮׬ ןֵ ָ ֮և , ֮ , ָ ־ֿ ߴ֮ ָ ָ ָ֕ ֻ ֟ ֮ Ԥָ 1990 ֤ ֜ 1991 ֻ 25 ןֿ֟ ֮ Ԥָ ֕ ܵ ֜ 60 ןֿ֟ և ָ™ ܵ 60 ןֿ֟ Ӭ Ϥ 70 ןֿ֟ ֻ ӕֲ ܵ ߲ 65 ןֿ֟ ֜ Ԥָ ָ ? 2003 ׿֟ RBI ׸ ָ World Bank ß ָ ֮ ָָ ָ ãֆ ״ֻ֮ ߸-߸ ֵօ 1990 15.9 ןֿ֟ ֙ 2003 9.8 ןֿ֟ ֵ ָ ֮ private moneylenders ֮ , 40 ןֿ֟ ׬ ֕ ֻ֟ ֕ ָ ֜ ָ ֮ ֵ

ָָ פ ֟ , ָ ֕ Ӭ Ϥ, ָ™, ԙ 31 וֻ ӟ ϳ׾֟ וֻ , ׻֋ special rehabilitation package ֲ ָ™ ׾֤ 6 וֻ ֬, ־ִֻ֟, ָ־֟, , ֛֮ ׿ִ 3750 ֋ long-term measure ־, ־֮֬ ֮ ׻֋ ֳָ , , 217 ֵ ֕ ֣ ֣ 1275 ֵ֠ credit inflow ָ Ͽ ֮ ֮ ׻֋ ֳ֯Ϥ 6 וֻ 17.5 ֮ , 1275 ֋ 7285 ֋ ֮ ֟ , ֲָָ ־ ֮ ׻֋, ו֮ private moneylenders , ׻֋ (4Y/NB ָ ֿ:)

-ASC/VKK-NB/4y/7.50

׾ֵ֕ . (֟) : ֮ ֵ ו֮ ֮ suicide , private moneylenders ׻ֵ , 40 ןֿ֟ ׬ ֕ , ־ ֵ ֵ ֛֮ וֻ ֕ 60 ןֿ֟ ֮ և ֮ ֣ ֮ ֛ ֕ ָ ֕ ֛ߕ ָ ָߤ ֟ , 5-6 ןֿ֟ ָ ֲֻ ֟ , ׻֋ 14 40 ןֿ֟ ֕ ֛ , ֮ ,

ֳ֬ , ߕ ו - ֮ ֻ remunerative price ָ ֮ cash crop ־ ֮ ׻֋ օ support price ֮֜ ӟ ־ֿ ָָ ׾֤ 6 וֻ ׻֋ 712 ֋ ֕ ֱ פ, ָָ , 50 75 ןֿ֟ ֱ ? ָ ֋, ֮ ֛ ״ֻ ֮ ֋ ָ , ֟

ֳ֬ , ™ߵ ֵ ֱ׸ 2006-07 ֻ "֮" ֮֋, ו ֮ ָ ׾ ֵ Dr. M.S. Swaminathan ײֻ ׮ ֟ ֮ , ֮ ֮ ׾ ׻֋ ֯ ־ פ , -

1.    ״ּ ־֢ ָ ׻֋ ֯ օ

2.    Water harvesting and Conservation וִ ִ ֳ ֮ ӓֵ֟ ׬ָ օ

3.    Credit Policy ָ ֣ ֮ credit and insurance ָ ֹ օ

4.    Scientific "know how" field level "do how" (֤ և ֤ )

5.    ֮ ֮ ֻ ״ֻ֟ ֳꌟ ֻ , ִ ֤ , օ

֣-֣ ֵ National Rural Employment Guarantee Programme ֵ ־ פ ֳ ֱ׸ ָָ ָ ֟ ֻ ׻֋ ֋ ֋ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮֮

ֳ֬ , 1993 2003 ߓ 1,00,248 ֮ ֟ ׾֤ Ԡ 704 ֮ ֟ ִ 102 ֮ PM Relief Package ֤ ֟ ֟ ןפ ָ Two minutes, Sir. Now, I am just concluding.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Please conclude.

׾ֵ֕ . : ִ ֳ Private Money Lenders ׻ֵ օ ֜ ֵ 80 ןֿ֟ ֮ Private Money Lenders Pulbic Sector Banks, ֻ 10 ןֿ֟ ָ ָ ָ ֻ ֮ ֕ ָ ֕ ֳ֯Ϥ ־ֵ ֵ ֟ ֜ և ־ָ և ֕ ֮ ֻ ߴ֟ ״ֻ֟߅ ָ ֻ ָ֤ ֟ , ֜ ֟ , ׸ָ ָ- ׿ ֟ ֮ ֮ ֯ ָ֓ ָ פ ߾֮ ֟ , ו ֟ ֕ ֮ ߾֮ ֻ ׌ֵ ֵ֮ ... (ִֵ ә) Sir, give me just five minutes.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No, no. Please conclude in one minute.

SHRI VIJAY J. DARDA: For whole day, I am sitting here. Give me just five minutes. This is very serious ׌ֵ ֮ ߾֮ ֟ -

" Ӥ , Ӥ , Ӥ ,

֤ؕ ֤ؕ ֕ ִ֮ ֋"

 

֮ : ֟ ... (־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I gave you more time because you are from Vidarbha. But don't take too much time.

THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE AND MINISTER OF CONSUMER AFFAIRS, FOOD & PUBLIC DISTRIBUTION (SHRI SHARAD PAWAR): Sir, maximum suicides are from his district.

SHRI VIJAY J. DARDA: Thank you, Sir. ׾֤ ֮ ֟ֆ ֻ ָ™ , 21 ֤ ָ ֲ ֤߯ ݻ׮ִԵ ֻ , ֮ ߓ ׾ָֿ֮ ԙ ߅ 4Z/AKG ָ ֿ:

AKG/4Z/7.55

׾ֵ֕ . (֟) : ִ ֮ 'ִ' , ן ô ֮ ׮ָָ ֟֋ ֮־ ׮ٴ֟ ָ֕ ָ ֛ ֋, ׾֤-ָ™ ֻ ֻ ֻ֮ ֻ ִõ , ֣

ָ, ֯ ݕִֻ ָ , ָ ׮֮ ֤, ֲ և ״׮Ù ׾ו̙ ֤ ָ , ִ ֵ - ֵօ ֵ ֲ ֮ loan , ָ ָ ֛ ָ ֿ ׾ ִ ֮ ֣ ״ֻ ־ֵ ׻֋ Ù , ָ 1.50 ֋ ݕִֻ , ו ָָ ݕ״֮ ןֵ ָ ̸֕Ӥ֕ Ù כ ָ, ֻ ֙, וֻ ֯ ֿ ׾ ִ ֮ ָ ָ ׻ פ, " ֯ ֵ ׮ֻ֮ ֟ ", ٙױ և ֮ , " ֮֟օ ָ ֮ , ׮ֻ֮ , ֮ ־ֿ ٙױ ? ֯ 25-30 ֋ ִ߮ ָ " -- ָ, ׸ ִֻ -- "25-30 ֋ ִ߮ ָ ־֕ ֯ ֯ ٙױ և" ָ, ݕ״֮ ׻֋ ו ָ ׮ Ѭ ִ֮ ֤֮ ָ , ֤ , ֲ և ״׮Ù , ߓ ֟ loans ׾ָ֟ օ ֕ ָ ָ߲ ֮ , ָ , ֕ ֮ ָ ֛ ׻֋ ׌ Ӿֿ߻ ־ֿ ָ߲ ֮ , ׻֋ ָ Ù

ָ, Ϭ֮ ӡ ֲ ־ֻ֟ ֋ ֲ ֮ ׸ָ ״ֻ , ָ ֲ ֤ և , ִֵ ֣ ֻ ־ֵ ָ ָ ָ , ֣ , ֮ ֣ ָ և ӛÙߕ ִֵ ָ ָ և - ֬-־ֻ֟-Ӥ ևօ ֻ ֮ և ֣ ־׵ֵ ׻֋ ևև ֮ ִֵ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֟ ָ ֿ օ ֤ ָ ӡ ֻ ֤ ֋ ֲ ֮ և ״ֻ, ֟ , ֲ ָ ߅ خ ߿֮ ָ ֮ ֱ feasible ׻֋ և , ׻֋

, ֮ ִ֯ ָ ָ PURA (Providing Urban Amenities in Rural Areas) ֟ -- ֮ ߮ ꅠ ָ Ѿ ֮ ֕ ִָ ϣ ߓ פ ׌ֵ ֤ ֟

֮ ״ֻ֟ ֟

ֻ ֟

ד֯ ך

֛ ֟ ײ֟֟

֟ ֻ ֮

ֲ ֕ ֋ ֟

׻ ֲ ָ

֮ ֟

֕ ֌ ֤֮ ֺ ָ ֮֯ ֮ , ֲ ֤ ֋߅ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

(5 ָ ָ)

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