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GSP-HMS/6.00/4A

SHRI KAMAL NATH (CONTD.): So, the question is to what extent you want to take your notions and your notional calculations. This is the imagination of the mind. So, if you are very imaginative, you can take it anywhere. As I said, in agriculture, one theory is that we should not have agricultural exports because if we have agricultural exports, agriculture will increase; and, agriculture is tax-free. So, why should we have agricultural exports? So, you have all agricultural exports - let us calculate what is our tax loss? So, on what basis is this calculation made? There are many methods of calculating this. I also have a calculation. (Interruptions)

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ֻ ֣ , ֯ ױ פ , ׾֢ ӡֵֻ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ן : ִ֤ , ֯ ֋ Half an hour discussion ֮ Ӳ օ

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ָ, օ ׸ ָ ֟ ֮ , ֻ֮

ֻ ֣ : ֟ Ӆ

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ֟ , ֯ ױ I have quoted from the answer. ֮ ױ פ ...(־֮֬)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No questions. (Interruptions)

SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, I will reply to him, and, if he is still dissatisfied, I will again try to reply to him. I will not leave you dissatisfied. Please, be sure of that. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: But the House has no time.

SHRI KAMAL NATH: So, especially, there was a mention that there is so much of revenue loss. Sir, here, I have a document, a document presented to the House. I don't know what he is referring to. This is from the Budget. In the receipts side of the Budget on page 47, it says very clearly, Export Profits of Units located in Special Economic Zones including Export Processing Zones and Free Trade Zones, the revenue foregone is Rs. 1,340 crores. It also says, on export profits of software producing units in software technology parks, the revenue foregone is Rs. 7,080 crores. Foregone is one word, that is, the revenue lost; if these were not there, you would not have earned the revenue, where is the question of losing it. Then, it goes on to say, profits from Special Category States; and, also profits derived from housing projects, production of mineral oil, development of scientific research - revenue foregone is Rs. 11,000 crores. I am reading it out from a paper, placed on the Table of this House, which is available with all of us. So, this sense of things that there is a huge revenue loss, Sir, is fallacious. Sir, the hon. Member says that there is a revenue loss of Rs. 70,000 or 90,000 crores -- 70,000 crores for direct taxes, and, 20,000 for indirect taxes. If that is the revenue loss, and, if we take the average tax to be Rs. 25,000 crores and work out as to what is the turnover, what will be the economic activity created and what will be the tax which will be generated on the new economic activity, you will come to a calculation that the new revenue generated, the new tax collection is not a loss but is a profit of Rs. 44,000 crores generated over the next ten years. It will come to that.

SHRI AMAR SINGH: Please tell this to the Finance Minister.

SHRI KAMAL NATH: You tell him. I am replying to the House. I am not saying it privately. (Interruptions) Sir, the other aspect is about the land, which, I agree, is a serious concern. Sir, we acquire no land. The State Government forwards the proposals. Now, what is the situation of what has been approved? Let us look at that. Today, of the 150 formal approvals, which have been given, and, which involves 26,800 hectares, 37 proposals are of the State Industrial Development Corporation covering 9,140 hectares of land. The State Industrial Development Corporations are using the land, which they already have. The State Governments are pushing this. No proposal is approved by the Central Government without the State Government. Today, the State Governments are anxious to generate economic activity in their States, the State Governments are anxious to have as many SEZs as possible.

(Contd. by sk-4b)

SK-PSV/4b/6.05

SHRI KAMAL NATH (CONTD.): Several Chief Ministers, that is why I am saying, are writing to me that, "Please, make sure that these approvals are granted". Who gives the land? How is the land found? This House, while approving the Act, did not give me the power or give the Ministry the power to acquire the land. The land is with the State Government. If the State Government decides that it doesn't want this project, please, don't have it. No proposal can be approved without the State Government. And, in fact, the State Government looks at these aspects. The Central Government does not look at the aspects of land. And, if the State Government feels that there is a need and necessity to generate economic activity -- some Chief Ministers have asked me: Why are we not getting any SEZs? I can't give any SEZ; the Government is not setting up any SEZ. My friend says about Jharkhand. Somebody has to apply. Let Jharkhand apply and promote an SEZ. The Central Government sets up no SEZ. ...(Interruptions)..

MS. MABEL REBELLO: You have given them the special incentives and all that. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI KAMAL NATH: You are saying incentives, and now they are saying, special incentives. ...(Interruptions)..

MS. MABEL REBELLO: Everybody cannot be Maharashtra or Gujarat. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI KAMAL NATH: So, Sir, the very basic point is that we are not setting up any ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI AJAY MAROO: You have given permission to Jharkhand. ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: We have to cover the Short Duration Discussion also. There are still 17 more hon. Members to speak on that. Now, we should make a ...(Interruptions)..

ֻ ֣ : ָ, ִ֤ ֟ ֕ã֮ 000 ָ ֯ , ֯ ֮ ܵ ӡ ָ ֯ ...(־֮֬)... ו֋, ֟ ...(־֮֬)... , ו֋ ...(־֮֬)... ָ ֯ , ֯ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ן : , Ͼֻ , ...(־֮֬)... nothing ...(Interruptions).. I request the hon. Minister not to ...(Interruptions).. This is a Half-an-Hour Discussion. ...(Interruptions).. The discussion is over and the Minister is replying. We have to go to other subjects also. ...(Interruptions)..

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ָ, ...(־֮֬)...

ֵ ֺ : ָ, ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ן : , , ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)... , ...(־֮֬)... , I will not allow because Half-an-Hour Discussion ֲ ։ Ͼֻ , ߕ ...(־֮֬)... You please just give the reply. Don't respond to him. It is very difficult because...(Interruptions)..

ֵָ : ָ, ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ן : , ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)... , ֯ և ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ֲ ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ֲ ...(־֮֬)... ִ֤ , ? ...(־֮֬)... , ...(־֮֬)... No, No. Please ...(Interruptions).. ֯ ߕ ך ...(־֮֬)... ִ֤ , ֺ ָ כ֮ ߕ 껵֮ ...(־֮֬)... , ײֻ ߕ ...(־֮֬)...

SHRI VIJAY J. DARDA: Sir, it is a Half-an-Hour Discussion and it has already been more than one hour ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Yes; that is what I am saying. It has been more than one hour. We have to conclude the Short Duration Discussion on Price Rise also. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir I want to clarify the ...(Interruptions).. Where the land is concerned, it is the State Government which has to either acquire it, or, whichever is the developer, if he has the land, he has to get the State Government's approval before the SEZ can be sanctioned. Now, I am sure the State Governments, with all the responsibility, would be looking at this. If there are any specific cases, I will be happy. You bring it to my notice and I can bring it to the notice of the State Government.

The next issue is that units are shifting to this 'tax haven'. Sir, this is not 'tax haven'. This is incremental economic activity. They will only become a haven once activity starts there. And, that activity will only start, if they are not penalised to come there; if they are given some incentives to come there. So, we have to decide, and this House rightly decided by passing this Act that it is necessary to provide the stimulus to this economic activity. It relates to fresh investment. Today even if you have a house there, even if you have a small factory there, which is already there, it cannot be approved; it has to be new.

(Contd. by ysr/4c)

-SK/YSR-KLG/6.10/4C

SHRI KAMAL NATH (CONTD.): So, it is for new investment and new incremental investment. The other question was that there might be real estate on it. Sir, it is provided in the rules that 80-90 per cent in IT SEZs has to be processing area. It is provided here. Fifty per cent area is earmarked for processing in sector specific. If you want to have some green space, if you want to have roads, it is provided. Then what are the limitations for a non-processing area? So, all these things are already provided.

Sir, another point I want to make very categorically is this.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You have to make it quickly.

SHRI KAMAL NATH: This is the last point. Somebody mentioned that we should do a review. We are doing this review constantly. What is the latest position? While concluding, I would very briefly say that out of the existing SEZs...(Interruptions).. I am answering his question. He asked a specific question, and I am giving a specific answer. So, Sir, out of 28 SEZs which became operational, the total exports last year were Rs.22,000 crore. These SEZs provided direct employment to 1.1 lakh people and indirect...(Interruptions)

MS. MABEL REBELLO: Sir,..(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No. You don't respond. No. Please. , ֯ ך ..(־֮֬).. ӡ , ֯ ï ֟ ו֋ .. (־֮֬).. և ..(־֮֬)

SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, there are 927 units..(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: We have to complete it. There are still 18 hon. Members to speak on the Short-Duration Discussion. We will have to sit till 11 O' clock in the night to complete it.

SHRI KAMAL NATH: There are 927 units operating here, and it has an investment, just in these few months, of Rs.2000 crore. With this, I believe that this is going to be a strong stimulus in enhancing our manufacturing sector. It is going to be a strong stimulus for our exports. In the sum total of things, there is no revenue loss. In fact, with the economic activity created, with the new jobs created, with the incomes of people rising by virtue of new jobs, the new economic activity will lead to a higher revenue collection. Thank you, Sir.

(Ends)

 

 

 

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*Pp 563 Onwards will be issued as Supplement.


-SK/YSR-KLG/6.10/4C

HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION ON POINTS ARISING OUT OF ANSWER GIVEN IN RAJYA SABHA ON 26TH JULY, 2006 TO STARRED QUESTION NO.44 RE: SPECIAL ECONOMIC ZONES - (CONTD.)

 

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shri Vikram Verma.

SHRI AMAR SINGH: Sir,..(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No; I am not allowing anybody else. (Interruptions) Shri Vikram Verma on Short Duration Discussion. It is half-an-hour discussion. All your solutions will not come. Shri Vikram Verma. (Interruptions) ׾ ִ , ֯ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬).. , , ֯ ך ֋, ֯ ־ֻ ־ֲ ֱ--־ָ օ...(־֮֬) You can ask some questions only. (Interruptions) Please,..(Interruptions)

SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, I will reply to Shri Datta Meghe's question. With his help, we will try and ensure that as many SEZs as possible can come..(Interruptions)..

ֳ֯ן : ׾ ִ , ֯ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬).. Amar Singhji, I have called Shri Vikram Verma. (Interruptions)

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ֳ֯ן ߅ ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : , ֯ ָ ָ և under the rules. ֮ כ ו֋ ..(־֮֬).. ׾ ִ , ֯ ׻֋ I would like to inform the hon. Members that all the political parties have exhausted their time. You have to take minimum time. There are still 18 hon. Members to participate in this debate. I would request hon. Members not to take more than five minutes and not repeat whatever has already been mentioned.

׾ ִ (֬ Ϥ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ֮ ֟ ӲӬ ֤ ֓ ֓ ׯ֔ ֓ ߮ , ֕ 16-17 ߮ ֤ ֟ ָָ ֲ 50 ֻ ֋, - ӓ־ ֮֋ ֮ և, ֤ ݵ֯ ãן ֮ ֟ ׻֋ ֬ ֛

4/ ָ

AKA-VKK/4D/6:15

׾ ִ (֟) : ָ ֟օ ֟֋ , ֻ ָ ֕ , ֲ ׬ ֲָָ ׿֟ , ־ֻ ֲ ־֕ ָָ ן ֛ ׸֟Ԯ , ןָ ׸֟Ԯ ֮ ֟ֆ , ֮ ֮և , ֋ , ָ ֟ ֟, ׻ - õï֤ ֋ ֟ ֮֟ ֤ Ͽ ִ֬ ֟ և ֮ ָߤ 滵 ָ ָָ 10 ֋ ،֙ 10 ֋ ،֙ ֲֻ֟ ָ 10 ! ֯ ֮ ãן ָָ , ֮ ֕ ֮ ֣ ! ָ SEZ ָ ֟ , ֯ןֵ ׻֋ - ֵ֤ ֟ , ֮ ָ ָ ֮ ׻֋ פ ִ֣Ԯ 滵 ֵ֜ ֟ ֟ ֮ ָ 10 ֋ פ ֋, 10 ָ פ ֋, ֤ ֕ ֮ ֣

ֳ֬ , ֟ ֮-֮ ֋, ֮ ֲ , פ 2006 ӵ㌟ ™ ӑ ֮־ ׾ ׸ , UNDP, ִ 1996 ֤ ܵ , ܵ , ִ 1.8 ֱ , 30 ָ ֓ ֕ ָ ֮֕ ָ ֟ ֟ , ָ ָ ִ ܵ ֙ , 1993 ßָ , 1980 1990 ߓ ׮־ ߲ 29 ָ ׾ , ו֮֟ ־ , ֕ 2 ָ ׸ãןֵ ָ Ӆ ׾ן - ָ ֮ ׾֬֋ ֟ ֮ ִ߮ ִ߮ , ״ , ֵ ßӟָ , և֕Ԯ և֕Ԯ ָ, ָ ֮ ָ֮ ֟ֆ ָ פ ֵ֮ ֟ כ֮ ִ֮ և ϴ ָ , ִ , ֕ , ֜ ָ ֻ ֮, և ָ ٙև̸, և, Ùև, ߕ פ ֲ ָ ãן ײ֛ ֻ ߕ ֟ , Bt cotton ֟ , ו ׾֤ ֮ ֟ , ֮ ֮ ߕ օ ֲ ֵֵֻ ׮Ե ָ֬ ָ ִ ֟ , ֲ ֮ 250 ֋ 450 ָ , ߮ ֻ ֮ ß֮ ֮ ߕ , ָև ׿ֿ և? ֮ ֱֻ ָև և? ֕ ֱֻ ָև , ֮ ߕ ָ , , ٙև̸ ָ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮֟ , ָ ֤ ֓ ֮ ٙև̸ ײ֛ ״ֻ֟, ָ ٙև̸ ָߤ ׻֋ ֬ ֛ ײ֛ ? ײ֛ ֯ןֵ , ӛÙߕ , ָ ײ֛ fictitious ß ֮ ָ֬ ָ ײ֛ , ָ֬ ָ ֵ֤ ֤ ß ֮ ß ״ֻ, ֻ֟ ֟֟ , ֮ ֻ֟ ֟֟ ֮ ֻ֟ ָ֬ ָ ־֮Դ ֤ ײ֛ ֮ , ָָ ֮֕ ׸ãן ןֵ ָ ׾ָ֓ ? 50 ֻ ӓ־ ֮ֆ ֤ פ ֟֋ , ֲֻ֟ ָ ׻ כ׌ , פ ׻ ״ִ֮ ֻ , ִ ׻֋ ֯ ָ پָ֓ ٙև̸ ׻ ָ ֯ پָ֓ ֛, ߛ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֛, ֮ ߛ ױ ֤ ֮ ֛ ִ ֮ և ֟ , ֮ ָ ִ ֮ ֟ , ֮ ׻֋, פ ׸֮ ָ ײֻ֕ ֓ ֮ , ָ ߕ פ ֮ ֤ ֟ ֮ ָ֕ ֮ ֤ ֟ 滵 ״ֻ֟ , 滵 ֳ 滵 ֟, ֛ ׿ - ִ ֻ֟ פ ߓ ָ ֜ և, ֵ ָ פ ֮ ֻ ֲԤ ֮ ֻ -֮ ֻ ׻֋ Ԥָ ֮ ֟ ('4e/sch' ָ ָ)

SCH/4E/6.20

׾ ִ (֟): ãן , ָ ָ ָ ֕ Ù ו֮ ֕ 90 ֱ , ֲ ֬ Ϥ ֮ ֱ , ִֵ ָָ , 10-12 ֻ ָ ֟ ָ ֙֋ , 10-12 ֻ ֤ ߸-߸ ֲ ֮ Ԥָ ֮, ֻֻ ױ ֵօ Ԥָ ֮֮ ֤ ֕ ֲ , ָי ֵ Ù פ ֯ և ֯ ֕ , ֮ ֟ ֲ ֕ ֮ ֟ , ר ֕ ָ ֟ ֮ ֲԤ ָ ֲ 12% ָ ֕ ״ֻ֟ , ֲ 22% ֛ , Ù ָ ֮ օ

ׯ֔ ֻ ֮֯ 9% 7% ָ ֋, ֓ ֠ 2% þֵ , ֕ 2% ֵ? ָ ָ ֮ ָי ֟ , ֲ ָ ٣ ֤ ״ֻ, ֲ ײ֛ ָ 2% ֮ ֟ ֻ ָ ãן , ֻ , ֮ ֻ ֟ , ß־ ߓ ״ִ֮ , ֟ ֮֮ ϵ ֮ օ

֮֮ߵ ӡ , ױ ֕ פ ߕ , ֮ ֻ ֻ ׻֋ , ֮ ֚--ָ -֓ Ԥָ ֮ ֵ , ֳ ״ֻ օ ָ ߱ , ߱ ֵ, ״ֻ , ֤ ״ֻ ָ ֟ ָ ָ ֛ ֮ ֵ֤ ״ֻ֟ פ ә ֻ֮ օ ֮ ֻ ׻֋ ָ ׻ - ׾֬֋ , ָ ֮ , ֮ ׮֮֯֙ ׻֋ ָ ׻ߕ ֮֮ ֛, ָ ֮ ֻ ֋ ָ ֯ ֟ , ֵ֤ ֮ ״ֻ ״ֻ, ֟ , ֕ ָ ֮ Ԥָ , ãן ֮?

֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ִֵ ֮֮ߵ Ϭ֮ ӡ ׾֤ ֋ , ָ 3,750 ֵ ߅ ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ָ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֮ ֟ ֙֋ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֮ ֤ ָ ֟ ֙֋ , ָ ִ֮ ֋ ֯ ֮ ֲ Ϭ֮ ӡ þֵ ֮ ֳ ׻֋ ֋, 3,750 ֵ ֋, ֤ ֮ ֟ , ֲֻ֟ ֮ ׾ ָָ ָ ֵ , ֮ ׾ ־ã ָ ֵ , ֮ ׾ ן ׮ִԟֆ ןֵ ָ ֵ ֕ ֮ ֿ 3,750 ֵ ׾ֿ ־֕ ֟ ׻֋ ֲ֕ ֵ ֲֻ֟ ֳ ״ֻ , ߬ ֳ ״ֻ օ ֕ ֻ-ֻ , ֳ ״ֻ ֯ ֮ֆ ֵ־֙ ֳ פ ֮ ״ֻ, -ָ ӓ ֻ ֤ ״ֻ, Ӯ ָ-ָ Ԥָ ֮ , ֟ ׻֋ ׾־ֿ ãן ֛ , ֮ ׻֋ ָ ֮ ָ ߕ և

֮֮ߵ ӡ , ״ֻ : וֻ ׻֋ ֋ և , ֮֯ þֵ ֟ ֮ ֮֮ߵ ֻ ֵ֟ ӕֲ ֻ֟ ׸ ֮ ֟ , ֮ ׮ֵ֮, ֮ ӑ פ ָ Ù ָ ãן , ָ ãן , ״ֻ þֵ ָָ ֟ ֮ ß֮ 31 וֻ ֮ ֕ ӳ߸ ãן ֵ ָ ׸ãן ֵ ׮ ֮֯ 31 וֻ ָ ֮ , ïֻ ו֕ ׾֬֋ ֮֯ , ֻ : וֻ ָ ֮ ֣ ־ ? : וֻ ֮ , 25 וֻ ֓֟ , 25 וֻ ֮ ? ֟ ׻֋ ֲ֕ ïֻ ״ֻ, ָ ָָ ֻ : וֻ Ӥ ֮ ־ ? ֯ ֮ ֮֮ , ֯ ׾֬ , ֯ ֮ ֟ ß ִר ß ָ ֛ , ִ ֟׾ ֯ , , Ӿ פ ֲ ֯ ֻ 31 וֻ ׻ ß֮ ֳ Ԥָ ֮ ָ ־ ֳ ֕ ֮ ׻֋ ִ֮ ן ֮֮ ֛߅

, - ׾ֵ ָ, ו֮ ָ ֓ , ֟ օ

4F/MCM ָ ָ

MCM-TMV/4F/6-25

׾ ִ (֟) : ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׯ֔ ֲ ׯ֔ ָ כ֮ ֳ օ ִ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֟ ׾µ ׻֋ ָֈ ֮ ׻֋ օ ïֻ ֮ ֻ ֮ ׻֋ ֮ ָֈ ֮ ֮ ֻ ֻ ֮ ߤ ֋ֻ , ׻֋ ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֯ ָ ְ ֜ ו֋, ָ ֻ ִ ? ִ "ָ ӛ " ֲ ֻ פ ֵ ְ ֜ , ִ ֻ ֲ ֟ ֵ ֵ ִ ״׮ִִ ָ ָֻ ֮ ָֈ , ָ ֮ 90 ָ ֮ ִ ָ ָֈ ֮ ִ ֻ ֋ - Ӿ ָ , ׻֋ ֋օ ֯ ֌־ ׸, ֻ ֮ ׻֋ , ֮ , ׸ ֻ ָ ׻֋ , ֌־ ָ ִ כߕ ֲ ֻ , ִ ֻ 10 ָ ֻ 90 ָ ׻֋ ָ , 녠

ָ ־ֻ, ֮֯ ֮ ֛ Ù ֵ օ ֮֟ ִֵ ֟ ֮ ֕ ״ֻ ãן ָ ꅠ ãן ֛ ؙ ֮ ָ ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ֯ ֵֿ ß֮ ֻ ߮ ӓ׻֟ ֓ ֈ Ӳև ֓ ֈ ֲ֤֤ Ӥ ß֮ ֮ ֵ֤ ָ֕ ײ֮֕ , ß֮ ֻ ߮ ֓ ֈ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮֟

(ֳ֬ (0 00 ׸֮) ߚ߮ )

ß֮ 22 ߕֻ֮ ױ , ָ ֬ Ϥ Ӥ ֻ־ ֓ ֈ ָ ִ ָ, ִ , ִ פ , ױ׻֋֮ ֺ ֙ , ֵ֯ ӟ Ӥ օ ꅠ ֕ ָ Ӥ ֛ ֛ ֻ ߮ ӓ׻֟ ּ ָ֕ ֮ ֵ ֻ ָ ּ ֻ֮ ֻ ֲ ־ ו ָ , ֳ ֮ ״ֻ 22 ֈ , 22 ֓ ֯ ׌ ֻ כ ֣ ֻ ֛ ָ ָ-־ִָ ֻ ֲ߮֠ פִָ, ֮־ָ, ָ ֓ ϴ , ֲ ֮ ӛ ֻ ֛ ֲ ֮ ֮ ֻ ִֵ ָ ֕ ֻ , ֕ 㴲և ֲ֤֤ ֈ֠ ֻ ָ ߓ ֟ ֮ , ָ֯  ֮ ִ ָ ֵ , ֕ ֻ֟ ָ ױ ָ ݵ֮ , ִ ݵؙ , ݵ , ӓ׻֟ ֕ Ù ֻ֯ ֯ ׮־ פ ß־ ֮ ֳ פ֮ ߓ ָ ֻ ָ ֮ , ֲ ֵ֤ օ ָ ֋ , ֳ֬ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׯ֔ ֓, 2005 ֤ ֓ , 17 ߮ ֤ ֱ ׾ֵ ָ ֓ 17 ߮ Ӥ ֟ֆ ܵ֋ ֜ ֮ ָ ֿ ֟־ָ

֟ , ֕ ãן ֮ , ָ™ ָ כÙ ֮֟ ֕ 1800 ֋ ،֙ Bt. Cotton ֮ ֟ ֛ ֮ ָ ֓ 1800 ֋ ،֙ ֕ ֮ ֵ֤ ? ֻ֟ ߕ ߙ ָ , ֕ ߙ ָߤ ãן ֮ , ߕ ֮ , ֻ ָ֕ 60 ֋ ײ , ֮ ֻ ֮֟ , ޛÙ , ״ֻ ״ػ ֤ ֮֟ ֮ ״ֻ֟ ? ׻֋ ֲ ߕ ָ, ִ ן ָ, ן ָ ִ ׾ָ֓ ־ֿ , ִ , ִ ֕ , ߕ, ֮ ֻ Ù ֲ ֮ Ù , ֲ ָ ãן ֮߅ ֟ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ָ ׾ָ֓ ׾µ ֮ ֟ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

(4G ָ )

RG/GS/6.30/4G

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Hon. Members, there are still 15 speakers left, and I would request those Members, who have to speak, to take just five minutes, not more than that. Please don't repeat the points which have already been dealt with. Shri Ravula Chandra Sekar Reddy.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Sir, I am the only speaker from my party...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: In any case, the time allotted is three minutes for your party. But you take five minutes.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: I am walking out.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Why?

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: Five minutes are not enough for me. This is not fair; as we always come at the end of the debate, we get less and less time. I waited the whole day here, and my number has been going down...(Interruptions)

SHRI AJAY MAROO: Sir, it is a very important subject.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Joshi, what is your complaint? I am giving my indulgence to you.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: My complaint is this. I gave my name early in the morning. I knew that I would come at the end. But my number has been going down from 6 to 15 to 16...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I have not done anything on your number...

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: I know it is coming in order. But, given the position, I have some signal points...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You will be given time. Please wait. That is why I was trying to tell the House that every Member should stick to his/her time so that everybody gets time. Don't worry. You will get time.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: Can't we postpone the rest of the speakers for tomorrow? Let us have enough time.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): No. There is already the decision of the BAC that the House should sit up to 8 o' clock and, if necessary, even beyond that.

ֵָ : ָ, ߋ ֮֟ ..(־֮֬).. ָ, ָ ׸Ù ٙ כ 괲 כ ֟ ִֵ פ ֮ ֤ ־ã ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: People had wasted time up to half an hour on speeches which meant nothing.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now, Shri Ravula Chandra Sekar Reddy.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (ANDHRA PRADESH): Sir, thank you for permitting me to participate in this discussion on farmers' suicides and demand for increasing the Minimum Support Price for foodgrains. Sir, we had discussed this subject earlier, on 14th July, 2004, as a Short Duration Discussion, and it was discussed again on 22nd March, 2005. And, on 18th May, 2006, we discussed about import of wheat and its impact on our agriculture. After all these discussions which took place in this august House, what is the net result and what action has been taken by the Government in minimising the problems of farmers? Sir, I raised this issue during the discussion on 14th July, and I again participated in the debate on 22nd March, 2005. The only thing that I get to hear from the media and other reports that the farmers' suicide cases are on the rise, not only in Andhra Pradesh but also in several other parts of the country. In my own State, right from 14th March, 2005, till 22nd of August, 2006, that is, till yesterday, in this period of two years and four months, 3,247 farmers have committed suicide. We had furnished all the information regarding names of the villages, number of farmers, etc. -- around 2000 farmers had committed suicide -- through a booklet which was also placed before the House. Now, the number has gone up to 3,247. The number of suicide cases is on the rise. I have many case studies done on this. One case study of our State pertains to the Anantapur district which reports how a person named Chennappa from Eluru village of Garladdine mandal committed suicide, what the plight of the farmers there is and what problems his family members are facing. On account of continuous failure of his crops and mounting debts, which seemed irreparable, Chennappa committed suicide by lying down on the rail track. His only son is now facing demands from moneylenders. He feels that he might be forced to choose the same fate, as his father, in order to escape the clutches of these moneylenders. (Continued by 4H)

TDB/4H/6.35

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (CONTD.): Sir, there are so many case studies. I have a lot of details, but due to paucity of time, I am not going into the details.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Don't go into the details. It is known to everybody.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Sir, last time, we raised many issues like post-harvest mechanism and all those things. But, today, I will confine myself to two-three points regarding MSP and farmers' suicides. Sir, the question is, why are these suicides taking place? Starting from Andhra Pradesh, now it has gone to Vidarbha. Sir, I am quoting the Hindustan Times of 3rd August, "Vidarbha 102 deaths in 32 days. PM's Package fails to save. Caught in debt-trap." Sir, this is the position of Vidarbaha.

Sir, the main problem of the farmers is the rising prices of fertilizers and pesticides, and they are unable to get credit for their cultivation. Agriculture credit has become very difficult. Earlier, we used to get institutional finance. Now, year after year, institutional finance is coming down, though we say that it has been doubled, when compared with the last three years. But, even today, most of the farmers are approaching the private money-lenders, who are charging exorbitant interest rates. Sir, look at the public investment. During the good olden days, it was 40 per cent. Now, it has come down to 18 per cent. I have the statistics with me, which show how the public and private investments are coming down year after year. Starting from 1984, it was 4.08 per cent of the GDP; now in 2002, it is 1.54 per cent. Sir, it is coming down year after year. Similarly, the private investment is also substantially reduced. Sir, it is the national problem now.

Sir, the thrust on agriculture is reduced, whereas the industrial sector has got more focus. Sir, 91 per cent of our people depend on agriculture or allied sectors. But, out of which, only 13 to 15 per cent are getting institutional finance, the rest of them are going to the private money-lenders. As I said earlier, these money-lenders are charging exorbitant interest rates. Sir, the Regional Rural Banks have failed. Sir, I request the hon. Minister to review the performance of the Regional Rural Banks which were created by virtue of the 1976 Act. Sir, they have now become commercial banks. They are competing on par with the commercial banks, and they are not at all helpful to the farming community.

Sir, now, I come to the cooperative sector. The cooperative sector was created by virtue of the 1904 Act. Now, they have either become defunct or people occupying important positions are attached to political parties. Now, they have become political institutions. The cooperative sector...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Five minutes are over.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Sir, if you want, I will sit down.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay, take one or two minutes, and say only the points. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Sir, two minutes will not be sufficient for me to make my points. ...(Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Say only the points.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Okay, Sir. I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Minister towards the commitment made to the people by way of the NCMP about agriculture. I quote, "The UPA Government will ensure that public investment on agriculture research and extension, rural infrastructure and irrigation is stepped up in a significant manner at the very earliest. The rural cooperative credit system will be nursed back to health. Immediate steps will be taken to ease the burden of debt and high interest rates on farm loans. Crop and livestock insurance schemes will be made more effective. The UPA Government will bring forward a constitutional amendment to ensure democratic, autonomous and professional functioning of cooperatives. Farmers will be given a greater say in the organisations that supply inputs to them. The UPA Government will ensure that adequate protection is provided to all farmers from imports, particularly when international prices fall sharply." Finally, the UPA Government has committed, "Farmers all over the country will receive fair and remunerative prices. The terms of trade will be maintained in favour of agriculture." This is the commitment given to the people thorough your NCMP. What exactly is the status now? I request the hon. Minister to have an introspection at the Government level to know whether they have fulfilled any promise made to the people during the last two-and-a-half years. (Contd. by kgg/4j)

KGG/MP/4J/6.40

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (contd.): Sir, regarding Minimum Support Price, in the normal conditions, we have either drought or floods once every four years. We should include the risk component while fixing the Minimum Support Price and that is not being done. The price fixation must be done well in advance, at least thirty days prior to the commencement of the agricultural season.

The most important thing is, we have many Boards like the Tobacco Board, the Silk Board, etc. We now should have a Commodity Board and we should have the price fixation on the basis of zones. We have north zone, east zone, west zone, south zone and north-eastern zone. Sir, the investment in the southern parts of India for raising the paddy crop is more when compared to the north zone. There should be a zonal system and there should be a representative from other zones at the helm of affairs, who can prevail over the people and bring the correct facts to the notice of the concerned people while fixing the price. The interests of farmers as well as consumers should be protected while fixing the Minimum Support Price. If I may say so, instead of the Minimum Support Price, it should be a profitable price to the agriculturists. Otherwise, it is going to be another problem. Again, during the next Session, we are going to discuss the same subject of farmers' suicide. But, time and again, year after year, we are discussing the farmers' suicide in Parliament. I request the hon. Minister to simplify the National Agricultural Insurance Scheme, and I again repeat it, to protect the interests of the small and marginal farmers and provide institutional finance at the lowest interest rates. Now it is 7 per cent, I request him to reduce it to 4 per cent so that the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes farmers, small and marginal farmers sustain. Thank you, Sir.

(Ends)

. סֵ (ָ֟) : ֳ֬ , ָ "֤֟" ֮ ֻ ֮ ֕ ֻ ִ ֟ , ֮ ֟ ןֱ ״ֻ֟ ߲֛ ֕ ֙ , ׻֋ ָ֤֟ ߲֛ ָ ֵֻ֮ ִõ ֮ , ָ ֟ , וִ ֮

, ߲֛ ָ ׬ӿ ־ֵ ָ ֚ ןֿ֟ ֤ ߲֛ ָ ׮ֳԸ , ־֕ ֮ ֻ֟ ? ־ֵ ו֮֟ ׮־ , ֮ ߙֿ, ٙև̸, ߕ, ײֻ֕ פ ׻֋ ֮ ֛ ֮-֮ , ו ׻֋ ָ ֕ ָ ֛  ֮ ָ ֮ ֟ ָ ֲ֕ ֟ ָ ֛ ׾֛֮ ָ ָ ׌ ָ , ָ ׻֋ ״ֻ ֟ , ָ ֮ ֮ ׻֋ , ߬ ָ ״ֻ֟ , ׻֋ ֮ ̴߮ ָ ֮ ֛ , ׌ , ֕ ״ֻ֟ ֕ ״ֻ֮ ֕ , ױ ߬ ״ֻ֟ , ָ ׾֛֮ ָ ָ, ֟ ֯ןֵ ָ֟ ״ֻ ֟ , ֕ ֯ן ֮ ׻֋ ֯ ? ָ ... ֋, ... ֲ ֤֠ ֕ ֯ןֵ פ ֵ , ... ֕ ֜

ָ, ָ ֟ ֮ ֱ ߲֛ ׻֋ , ֟ ֻ ֻ֟ ֕ , ֲ ָ ߴָ ֟ ױ ָ ֤ 韵 ֟ , ֤ ׾׬ , ׻֋ ֮ ֛ ̴߮ ָ , ֕ ֟ ָ ֲ֕ ֛ ָ ֮ ִו ׵֟ ֮

ָ, ָ ֻ ֜ ֟ , ו ֋ ֻ ֲָ (4 / ָ ֿ:)

ASC-KLS/6.45/4K

. סֵ (֟) : ָ ֓և ֮֬ ֵԯ ֕ ֲ ֺ , ֲ ֮ ״ֻ֟ - ֻ֟ ֮ ֤ ֮ ָ֟ , ו ֕ ָ ֻ ֟ ָ ָ ֮ ֮ ֟ , ֮ ߓ ֟ ָ פ ןև ֮ ִ ֟ ֮ ֤֯ ֮֓ ׻֋ ֮ ֻ ߴ ֮ , ֮ , ֵ֤ ״ֻ ֲ ֻ ߴ ֮ ׻֋ ־ , - - ֻ ߟ ֮ ֤ ־ ֠ ״ֻ֟ ָ ֮ ִֵ ָ ״ֻ ֟ ֲ ֮ ן ֤֯ , ֳ ֵ֟ ״ֻ֮ ָ ֤õ ָ ָ ֱ ֓ , ָ ֻ ־ ָ, ־ ֻ ߴ ֮ ֵָ ֮֜ ֣ ָ ־ ֻ ߴ ֮ ӟԟ ־֤ , ׮׿֟ ִֵ Ӥ ֻ ߴ ֮ ֵ ָ ׮׿֟ ִֵ ֵ , ֱֻ ܟ ֵԾ , ֳ ֮ ֻ ߴ ֮ ִֵ ָ ״ֻ ֋օ ָ, ֮֟ ֻ ׾֤ ֕ ֱ ֮ ֟ ו ֕ ָ ֮֮ߵ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֵ֮ ׻֋ ֋ ߅ ָ ԙ ֮ Ϥ ֕ ָ ָ֟ ָ™ ֜ ֮ ָ ֱ ֻ և , ֮ ֮ ֲ ֛ ֮ ֟ , ֲ ׸ ׻֋ ױ ֲ ֜ ֟ , ֲ , ..(ִֵ ә).. ׻֋ ֵ ? ָ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֟ ָ ִ֟ , ׻֋ ָ Ϭ֮ ӡ ׯ֔ ֻ þ֟ӡ֟ פ ָ ֻ֮ ׸ ׸ ֮ ֟ , ָ ֵԾ ֻ ֻ ׸ ֮ ֮ ׻֋ ִ ӡֵֻ ״׻֟ , ӡֵֻ ָ ִ ׾ ӡֵֻօ ӡֵֻ ׻֋ ׌ ִ , , ֲ ִ ׾ ӡֵֻ , ׌ ִ ׻֋ ֣ ״ֻ ֻ ֻ ֮ ..(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ (. .. ׸֮) : ߕ

. סֵ : ָ, ևә , ևә ֮ ִ֟ ִ֣Ԯ 滵 ָ ָ ־ ֳָ 滵 ״ֻ֮ ֵ֤ , ֮ ֳָ ֕ 滵 ״ֻ ָ ָָ ֪֮ Ù ׮ִ օ ֻ ־ֻ ϴ ֪֮ ׻֋ ִ֟ ִ֣Ԯ 滵 ׮֬׸ , ־ ֳ ָ ֻ ׻֋ ִ֣Ԯ 滵 ָ ־ ָ֕ ָ-֜־ ֻ ֮, ֜ ָ ֲ ֻ ָ ֟ , ֻ ֮ ֮ Ϥ֮ ׻֋ Ϥ֮ , ֲ ֮ ֺ ֛

ֳ֬ : ߕ ִ֯ ו֋

. סֵ : ָ, ֤ Ӥ ֤ ֮ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ (. .. ׸֮) : ֟ ״֮֙ ֋

. סֵ : ֟ , ָ , ו֮֟ ֵ֤ , ֮ ֮ ״ֻ֟ ׬ָ ִ , ֮ ֮־֤

(ִ֯)

Ӭ ֤֕ (ָ Ϥ) : , ָ Ϭ֮ ֤֟ ֮ ־ ֟ , ֮ؓ֟ ֮֮ ׾ֵ ָ ִ֮ ָ, ֟ ָ, ֻ ָ דכ ֻ ָ ֟ օ (4L/NB ָ ָ)

-ASC/NB/4L/6.50

Ӭ ֤֕ (֟) : ֕ ֣ ֛ דכ ֮ ֻ ָ ֓ , ָ ָ ֋ ׾֤ דכ ֮ ֻ , ֕ ״߮ ֮, ן ֤֕, ׻֟, ֟, ̻֕, ָ , , ׻ ׸ָ 8 ә 12 ә ִ , ־֕ ֌ ָ ֮ ״ֻ , ֮ ֛ ״ֻ , ֮ ״ֻ ֮ , ָ ֮ ֟ ָ ֺ , ֮ؓ֟ ֮֮ ׾ֵ

ֳ֬ , ֟֋ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ þָ ֟ֆ ֳ 15-16 ןֿ֟ ܵ ֮ ֳ ׬ ֮ ֟ ׸ ן , ׸ִ ִ֮ ֵ ֪֮ ִֻ ֟׮ֳԸ , ֲ ָָ ָ֤֕ ן ֮ ׻ֵ, ָ ׸ ן ֺ ֮ ׸ ן ֟׮ֳԸ ֮ ֵ ָ ׸ ן ָ ֮ ֮ ֮ Ӿ ױ ߓ

ֳ֬ , ™ߵ ־ ָ 1987-88 ״߮ ֣ ߴ֮ ֮ 35.4 ןֿ֟ 19.1 ןֿ֟ ܵ ֜ 1999-2000 40.9 ןֿ֟ 22.3 ןֿ֟ և ָ ֱ - 1985-86 1.69 ָ , 10 ֻ ֙ 1.41 ָ ֵ ֻ 10 ֻ ֮ ָ ֋օ ׻֋ ָ ׮־ ֲ ָ ֙ , ֤ ֙ ֋, ׻֋ ֕ ִ ֜־ ֺ

ֳ֬ , ֲ ֛ ָ , ׸ ן ֋ ֿ߮ ָ ֕ և, և, և, ֓և, և, ׯև, և, ָ ߕ ֿ߮ ָ, ֕ Ӿ ֤֕ ֮ ֣ ָ ֻ ֤֕, Ӿ ֵֻ֮ ֻ֟ ֲָ , ֲָ ֻ֟ ָ ֟ ׻֋ ֬ ָ ֮֮ ־ã ֻ֟ , ֻ֟ ָ ֟ , ֣ ִ , ֮ -߮ ֟ , ֲ ׮™ ô ֲ י ׌ ִ ֟ ִ ִ , superior ִ ֟ ײֻ ִ , ֙ ִ ֟ , ־ã , ֻ֟ ־ã ִ֓ ׸֟Ԯ ֺ ׻֋ ׮־ ִ ֻ ֲ ־쓓 ִ֮ ״ֻ, ֲ ֮ ֋ ׻֋ ָ ׮־ ״-ָ ݵ, ָ, ֛ ָָ ִ߮ ִֺӤ ׾֟׸ , ָ פ ֋ ֤ ֮֜ פ ֋ 4M/AKG ָ ֿ:

-SSS/NBR-AKG/4M/6.55.

Ӭ ֤֕ (֟) : , ָ ֮֮ և ָ , ̸֕ ֜, , פ ן׸ ֕ ֮֕ן ָ ѕ߯ןֵ ֮ ־ ֮ ָ ֮ ִ ֟ , ־ ֤ ֟ ָָ ֙ ֻ , ֻ , ָ , ֮֮ ָ ָָ ֻ֟ ָ ֤֕ ֤ ָ֟ և ֜ ֻ և ֜ ֻ , ׻ ֤֕ ֤ ֕ ߸-ָ߲ և ֜ ֻ ׻֋ ָָ ׮־ Ͼע ָ ֮ ֺ , ׻֋ ׮־ Ͼע ָ և ߸-ָ߲ և ֟- ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Shri K.P.K. Kumaran.

SHRI R. SHUNMUGASUNDARAM: Sir, it is his maiden speech.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Is it his maiden speech? So, what will I do now? Mr. Kumaran, there is time constraint and yours is a maiden speech. I will not control you. But, you should use self-control.

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, it is his maiden speech.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: That is why I said that I would not control him. But, he can use self-control.

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Mr. Baalu is sitting there. He will control him.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: That is why I said I would not control. He should use self-control.

SHRI K.P.K. KUMARAN (TAMIL NADU): Respected Vice-Chairman, Sir, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to make my maiden speech.

At the very outset, I dedicate myself to Parliamentary democracy of this greatest democratic nation of the world.

I would like to make my humble obeisance to all my elders of this of this House of elders, in particular to the hon. Chairman, the hon. Deputy Chairman and the hon. Vice-Chairmen who are the custodians of this Chamber.

It is my utmost privilege to be a Member of this august House and wish to express my profoundest gratitude to my party leader, Dr. Kalaignar for giving me this opportunity. With fatherly affection he has bestowed this blessing upon my head and, in the days to come, I shall live up to the trust and confidence that he has placed upon me.

Sir, today, I would mainly like to speak on two points. The first one is that the safety net should be created for the farmers so that there is no question of suicides. And secondly, not only we should ensure their survival but try to ensure maximum profitability for farming operations to enable them to come up in society.

Sir, from time immemorial, the Indian poets eulogized the farmer and his plough in glowing terms. But, as hon. Members have pointed out today the situation is totally different and the plight of farmers is pathetic.

Due to a variety of reasons the farmers are suffering losses. Their input costs are rising. They are not able to get good price for their produce and they are slowly falling in the debt trap. In addition to this, the weather has become very unpredictable. And, every now-and-then, droughts and floods push them further into the debt trap. Rise in education cost and medical cost also further drive them into the clutches of the moneylenders and they see no way out. Some of them have become antisocial and join antisocial movements, whereas others think that it is more honourable to die and take their lives.

Sir, we are all in agreement that this is a shameful situation and drastic measures have to be taken. Otherwise, the misery of farmers would slowly lead to a decline in agriculture production and our food security is threatened. As it is, from a so-called surplus situation, not long ago, in wheat and rice, the country has slipped into a state of shortage, necessitating imports. So, what should be our aim and what steps should we take? Sir, our primary aim should be to provide a safety net for our farmers. One of the things that we should look into is crop insurance. The Government recognised the importance of crop insurance and in 1999 has formed the Agriculture Insurance Company of India. But, even after seven years of its operation, we have managed to cover only a small percentage of farmers. That means, Sir, we have to change our approach and make crop insurance mandatory.

Now, there is also a regulation that banks have to give a certain percentage as loan to farmers. In the same way, we should make it mandatory that all insurance companies -- now a lot of multinational insurance companies have also come up -- allocate a certain percentage of their business to cover crop insurance. (CONTD. BY USY "4N")

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