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-ASC-NB/3N/6.00

߻ ָ ׿֮ (֟) : ִ , ֻ Ͽ , ׻֋ ֮־֤ , ־ֻ , ָ ֺ ֮ օ ִ֤ Ͼֻ ׾ֿ֟: פ 꿓֮ ָ ָ ֤ ֤ ֮ , ֕ã֮ ָ , ָ ß־ օ

ֳ֬ , פ ֋ ֲ ֮ þ֟ӡ֟ ֻ , ִֵ ָ ֙ 1,363 ־֙ ֕ ָ ֙ 1,26,000 ־֙ ָ , ֮ ֙ 85-90 ָ ײֻ֕ ׮ִ , , ֻ 82 ָ ׮ִ , ֮֮ߵ ֤õ T&D losses ֟ , losses , פ ֋, ׾׳֮ ײֻ֕ 50,000 ־֙ ׻֋ ֤ ֙ ׮ִ օ ֯ ִ֬ ֤ ֮֟ , ױ , ֌ , ׻֋ ֤ , pointedly ֟ֈ ֮ 9th Plan 19,000 ־֙ capacity addition , 10 ӓ־ ֮ , 34,000 ־֙ capacity addition ִ renewal ִ־ ֮ , ָ ֯ 9th Plan ו֮֟ ײֻ֕ և , 10th Plan ִ 34,000 ־֙ ֙ ֻ ֲֻ֟ ׯ֔ 4 ֻ כ֙ ִ ׻֋ ֮־֤ ֡ - , Ϭִ֮ӡ ָ-ָ ײֻ֕ ׮ִ ִ ײֻ֕ infrastructure ׮ִ ׻֋ օ

ֳ֬ , ֟ ׮ - ֻ և ָ , fuels ָ capacity addition ָ - ָ ָ ֮ٛ ו ϴ þֵ Ϭִ֮ӡ ߮ ֟ ֻ և ָ , captive mines ֵ ֮ ֵ ו֮֟ ֟ - ׾ֿ power generation ׻֋ capacity addition ׻֋ ֟ - ׻֋ Coal Department և allot , ָ ׮Ե ֵ ׻֋ ֟ ִ ߔ ֋, ֮ ֟ - , - , T&D losses , ֲ ֟ ׌֙ ָ ָ 3 Acts , Act , ֯ , 2003 Electricity Act ִ ־֮֬ ֋ , ֕ unbundling ֟ ָ և , ֻܵ ֲ ϵ , re-organization , unbundling ָ ֋ Ӆ ֤õ ױ ֟և, ֯ ֮֟ unbundling , re-organization Ӭ, ԙ, ָ™, ֕ ֱ separation ִ ׾ֳ ֲ ִ ֟ , generation ֵ , transmission ֵ , ֲ ִ ׻֋ - 3O/AKG ָ ֿ:

AKG-TMV/3O/6.05

߻ ָ ׿֮ (֟) : ִ ׾֬ , ִ ־֮֬ ֵ , ֤ - օ ־֮֬ ֵ , ֤ ׳֮Ӥ , ׾ֿ֟: Ù ֻ , process פ

־ ָ֮ : ֮ Ϥ ߅

߻ ָ ׿֮ : ֮ Ϥ ֵ ֮ Ϥ ֮ ֵ ֕ ߮-ָ organisations profit ... (־֮֬) ... ָ֟ , ָ ֮ ֻ ָ֟ , ׳֮Ӥ ו ָ ִ ֵ , ֲ֤֤ ו ָ ִ ֵ , ׻֋ re-organise ֯ ... (־֮֬) ... ֕ã֮ ... (־֮֬) ... ֯ ֕ã֮ , ֯ ֵ ו֋ ֻ

ֳ֬ , ֤ , ֻ ֮ ֟ capacity addition ֟ , ֟ '׌֙' Concurrent List ֲ ׾ֵ Concurrent List , ׌֙ utilities , Ù ׻֋ Ù electricity capacity addition ִ ? ֳ֬ , 9th ֮ 10th ֮ ִ ֯ ֟։, ֯ ֕ã֮ ֵ, ֕ã֮ 9th ֮ ֻ 1000 ־֙ capacity addition 10th ֮ 520 ־֙ ָ ָ capacity addition , ײֻ֕ ׮ִ ִ ?

ֳ֬ , ֮֟ ָ per capita consumption 600 kilowatt ׸ 22000 , ߮ 1900 ָ ֋, ֮ ׮Ե , ָ כ֙ ׮Ե 2012 ֮ per capita consumption capacity 600 ֜ 1000 ֜֋ꅠ ײֻ֕ ׮ִ ִ ֟ , ֮־֤ ָ ֮ ֿ ׯֻ׮ֵ Hydro-Electric Power source tap ֟ , ֲ ֵ-ֵ ֵ ֲ ֛ , ֵֻ ֮  ֯ ֻ֓ ו֋, ִ-߸ ו֋, ׌ ו֋, ֲ ׸֕ ָ ֤õ ֻ ֟ , ֲ, ֻ , ֮ , ֳ ׸֕ ׮ԟ ֮ ״ֻ֟ , פ tap , ׻֋ ֮ , ִ օ ָ ֮֯ ֮ ֵ privatisation ִ ֻ֓ ֟ ֕ ֯ MoU , ֮ , ִ ß ׮ֻ , privatisation ֤ ֟ , ׻ ײֻ֕ ײֻ֕ ׮ִ פ ֤ ӕ ֮ ׻֋ ֟ , advantage ֳ֬ , ֯ ֮֟ ... (־֮֬) ...

֮֯ ָ : ָ, ֮֯ NHPC projects ߮ private organisations פ Ӆ ֮ ֮ DPR ߲ ֮ ׻ֵ օ

߻ ָ ׿֮ : ֲָָ NHPC פ ֵ , ִ֮ ߱ ״׮Ù ֟ , ֕ , ִ ß ׮ֻ NHPC ֵ , ֯ , פ ... (־֮֬) ... ... (־֮֬) ...

SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN: That project must come back to the NHPC.

SHRI SUSHILKUMAR SHINDE: We will do that. I am telling you that we will do that also. If other people are doing, why should not we take advantage of it? We need to have more power in this country. If we stick to a particular place or a particular body, I don't think that we will be able to achieve our aim on the power front. That is why I say that I will find a way out and that there will be total transparency. I assure you that much in this House. (Contd. by HMS/3P)

3P/HMS-VK/6.10

߻ ָ ׿֮ (֟) : ָ, ִ֮֮ߵ ֤õ 4 ֵ ײֻ֕ ֓ , ֯ ֮֟ ָ overall investment commitment, 1 86 ָ ָ ָ ֻ 000 ֮ ֻ ӓ ָ ֱ ֻ ֟ ֟ ֠ ֕֕ ...(־֮֬)... ָ 0000 ױֻ ֲ ױ , ׻֋ ß ײֻ֕ ֲִֵ

ִ֤ Ͼֻ : ֯ 5-6 ֋ ֲ Ù , afford ?

߻ ָ ׿֮ : ֳ֬ , Ͼֻ ֟ 5-6 ֋ ֲ ײֻ֕ ֯ ָ ײֻ֕ ׯ֙ ֕ Ù ײֻ֕ ֮֟ , ײֻ֕ ֯ ײ֮ ָ֮ , ׻֋ ֯ 5 ֋ ֛ ָ ֯ ָ״֙ ײֻ֕ , 1 ֋ 80 ֛ ׻֋ ֕ ֕ ָ ֕ ײֻ֕ ֟ ױ ؛ פ ãן ֵ ֕ - ָ כׯ֮ ֮

ֳ֬ ( פ ס־) : ֯ ־ָ ֮֯ ϛ ,

߻ ָ ׿֮ : ֳ֬ , ־ָ ֮֯ ϛ 10 ָ ׯ֙ ׻֋ ָ ևָ ׻֋ ֻ֟ ֳ֬ , ֯ ֮֟ ־ָ ϛ ִ ֲ ־ָ ϛ ִ , ׮ֵ ׸ ֵ , ׯ֙ 10 ָ ֮֜ ߅ 30 ָ ָ ֮ ָ 5 ֮֋ פ Ù ־ָ Ù ֮ ָ ׯ֙ ־ָ Ù ֈ ֮ , ֻ Ù , Ӳև ָ ־ָ ׯ֙ ֟ , ׻֋ ֤ ϛ ָ ִ օ ׻֋ ֱ ׌ֆ ״ֻ ֳ֬ , 2 ֋ 20 ׮֙ ײֻ֕ ״ֻ֟ , և ״ֻ, ׻֋ ϵ

ֳ֬ , ֟ ֵ, ֌ , ׻֋ ә օ ӟ ֛פ "" ׯ֙ ֟ "" ׯ֙ ֟ , ָ ꌙ , - ꌙ 4 ָ ־֙ 16 ָ ӕ ֮ ֻ ֲ ӕ֮ 660 , 800 ָ י ׯ֙ ָ և ߮-߮ ׯ֙ և 0000 ָ-ָ ׮֙ , ָ ֕ ׮֙ ׻֋ ָ ֺ ׮֙ ָ ֮֜ ָ ָ ׯ֙ ֜֋ י ֤ ִ ו ָ ִ , ֻ - ߮ ֻ (3 /ߋ־ ָ ֿ:)

HMS/PSV-RG/3Q/6.15

߻ ָ ׿֮ (֟) : ֳ֬ , - ׮֙ ֮ ֜ ָ- ѓ ֻ ֟ և ֜-ѓ : ֻ ֟ ׸֛ 00ָ ׸֛ , ֡ ϵ ִ Ù֮ ָ ֳ֬ , ֯ ֟ ֻ ֲ ָ™ ָ ֻ ֛, ֮ ֛ , ֲ ӛ ׮֙ ֻ , ֲ ֟ ֻ և-ß ֋օ ֲ ײֻ֕ , ֳ ֵ , ױ ֵ֤? ֮ ׾֮֟ ߅ ָ ӕ׮ֵָ , ֤ ֋, ֟ , ֮ 30 ֵ֜օ ֮ 00 ׌ ֻ 30 ײֻ֕ ֻ ߅ ָ ױ ֮ ָ ֲ , , ֟-פ ֟ ֮֯ ֣֯ ָ , ָ ָ , פ ײֻ֕ ֟ , ֜ ֟ , ػ ֟ ױ ӡ Ӥ ֛ ִ ֳ֬ , פ ָ ֮֕֬ , ײֻ֕ ܵ ӡ ָ ֵ פ ׸ ܵ ӡ և -ָ פ 000 ֻ פ ׸ 1500 ־֙ ײֻ֕ ֋օ ֮־ ײֻ֕ ׮ִ ִ ϵ ֻ ֮ ֯ ֻ ײֻ֕ י ײֻ֕ ֟ י ֮ ֻ ֻ , 1970 , Ù ׮֙ ֵ , ָ-ָ ֋߅ כ ִ Ϭ֮ ӡ ׮ֵ ֻ , ֳ ֯

ֳ֬ , ֟ ә ֮ օ ә ָ ִ , ִ Ù ִ י׻֙ߕ , - ֯ ָӛ ֙ ־ָ Ù֮ 40 ןֿ֟ ֟ ֮ ִ և 0000 ׌ֻ ִ օ ֮ ִ פօ ֮ ֮ ױ פ PLF 40 ןֿ֟ , PLF ֌ 70 ןֿ֟ ָ ֵ ָ ָ֙׿֯ Ù, ֻܵ 18 19 ָ ָ֙׿֯ , PLF ֯ ָ Ϥ ֟ , ָ Ϥ PLF פ PLF ֜ , ֜ 1000 ־֙ ײֻ֕ ׮ִ , PLF 50 ߓ ֙ ߿֮ ָ-ָ ֯ ֙ ߿֮ ו֋ ׸ 1000 ־֙ פ ؾֻ֬֓ ֮ 500 ־֙ פօ ֳ֬ , ײֻ֕ ״ֻ߅

ֳ֬ , ߴ֟ ֬ Ϥ ָ ߅ ֺ օ ִ ֬ Ϥ ܵ ӡ Ԯֻ ֟ ߿֮ ׻֋ ו֮֟ , ֻ ֬ Ϥ , ִ ֕ã֮, ׸, ӕֲ, ԙ, ָ™ , ֳ ֕ ܵ סֵ ֟ ֯ ֲ ֙ ߿֮ , ֲ ָ Ϭ֮ ӡ ָ ֜ , ִ 8 ָ ֋ 10 ָ ֮ ׻֋ ꌙ , ӱÙָ , ָ ָ ֜ (3/000 ָ ֿ:)

3R/klg/6.20

ߴ֟ ֵ : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ӡ ֬ Ϥ և ־֙ ײֻ֕ ״ֻ֟ , Ӥ և , ׸ߕ ָ ײֻ֕

߻ ָ ׿֮ : ָ ׮֙ , ו ײֻ֕ ׮֟ , ׮ , ֟ ֬ Ϥ ֟ , ֟ ײֻ֕ ו֮֟ , ֤ ߴ֟ ָ ֕ ֟ ֲ ָ ֕ ֟ , ֲ Ù ֮ , ָ ײֻ֕ , Ӭ ָ ָ ֮ ֌ ָ ײֻ֕ ֟ ׻֋ ׮֙ ֬ Ϥ ֟ , , ִ ִ ..(־֮֬)

ߴ֟ ֵ : ֯ ϵ ?

߻ ָ ׿֮: , ϵ ֻ ִԤ ָָ և ֜ և , ײֻ֕ ״ֻ ߅

, ׾ֵֿ֟ ֻ֣֮ ֓ ־ָ Ù֮ ָ ָ ֤õ , ִ ָ ܵ ӡ և , ִ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֋ , ֟ ׸ãן ֟ և ֟ ֻ֣֮ ֛ ꌙ , ״ֻ ָ וֿ֮, ֋֕ וֿ֮ וֿ֮ 2008 ָ ֓ ә ״ֻ , ֳ֬ , -Ù ׸ , ָ ׾ֿ ֻܵ ָ ָָ , ֟ ִ ֟ , -Ù әֵָ ס֯ ֻ֓ ֟ ֕ ֚ ׌, ֳ ֕ ֮ ׾׿™ 겻ִ Ӆ ָ ֮ן , ֯ ֣ ֯ ꌙ ָ ֮ ו֮֟ , ִ ׮ֻ֮ ϵ ꌙ , ֲ ֛ ֟ , , ָ ߕ ִ ϵ ִ ֟ և, ו , 90 ָ 10 ָ ָ և ֓ ָ ִ֮֮ߵ ӡ , -Ù ֲ 1992 ֙ ӓ֕ , ֲ ֮֟ ӡ ӡ ׮ֻ ־֮Ը ֵ֮ ־֮Ը ױ ֵ

ֵָ : ֯ ..(־֮֬)

߻ ָ ׿֮: , ִ , ֳ ֋ -Ù

ֳ֬ ( פ ס־) : ֯ , օ

߻ ָ ׿֮ : ֟ , ֳ֬ , ϵ ִ , օ ֲ ߋ֋ ָ , ߋ֋ ָ ָ ϛ , ߋӛ ׻֋ ו֮֟ Ӳ ָ և, ו֮֟ ֻ Ӳ .. (־֮֬).. ״֮֙, ״֮֙, ָ և ו֮֟ Ӳ , ֮ ߋӛ ׮ֵ ָ ߋӛ ׻֋ ϵ , ֲߛ և ֤֕ ֤֕ ו֮֟ , ϵ ֵ , ֟ , ߛ 30 ָ , ߋ֙ 40 ָ ָ , ִ ϵ , ִ ָ™ ϵ , Ӭ Ϥ ׾ֵֿ֟ ϵ , ִ ֱ ϵ֟ ֵ , ֮ , Ӥ և , ..

3/ ָ ..

AKA-KGG/3S/6:25

߻ ָ ׿֮ (֟) : ִ Ӥ , 40 ָ 25 ָ ָ ֋ ׻֋ ֮ ֤ Ù ָ Ù ֻ ֟ ׳֮֮ ׻֋ ֛-֛ ֻ ִ֟ ָ߲ ֤ , ֛ ֤ , ֻ ׻֋ ׸-և֮ ֺ Ù ֻ ִָ֟ ׸ ֟ , ֻ ִ ߱ , ׮ֵ֮ ߱ ,

֮֯ ָ : Ù ֻ T&D , It includes all--consumers and workers. ֲ ״ֻ, , ֲ not because of your unbundling. ֮֯ Ù ֻ ֮ Ͽ ָ ֟և Ù ֻ ֻ ֵ֟ ֵ ָ ևև֮ օ ֟և ָ ևև֮ օ ֛ ߅

߻ ָ ׿֮ : ֮֯ ֵ֟ unbundling , reorganisation ָ ֆ, פ ӿֵ օ

ֳ֬ , ֤ ֌ , ֮ ָ ֯ ֕߾ Ӭ ֮֯ - Power to all, 0 ִ֮ UPA ־֮Դ , 2005 ׮Ե ׻ֵ ֕߾ Ӭ ִ ׾֪ ֮ ִ֬ ֟ ָ ײֻ֕ ֮ 2009 ֟ ײֻ֕ ִ , 2012 ֤ ָ ׮֙ ײֻ֕ ״ֻ, ϵ ִ franchise , ֳ֬ , ֕߾ Ӭ ™ , ™ ָ ֕߾ Ӭ ִ ׾֪ ִ ֮ ָ ֮֋ , ִ Ù ֛ , ״ֻ֟ , ִ օ , ֕ ֋ 90 ָ ײ֛ 10 ָ 5,000 ֓ ֵ ֕ 15,000 ־ , ֟ ײֻ֕ և 35,000 ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ ( פ ס־) : ӡ ו֋, ׾ß ָ֮

߻ ָ ׿֮ : 35,000 Ӿ 10 ӓ־ ֮ ֟ , ֮ ֻ ִ NTPC ִ , GRID ִ , ִ NHPC ִ , ִ ִ ִ ֲ ״ֻ ִ ֣-֣ ִ ֺ ײֻ֕ ו ֟ ֟ , ֟ BPL ״ֻ֮ ꌿ֮ ״ֻ֮ , ׻֟ ײֻ֕ ״ֻ֮ , ײֻ֕ ״ֻ֮ , ӓֵ֟ ״ֻ֮ ٙױ ӓֵ֟ ϴ , ֲ ֮ ֋ ָ Ӿ ײֻ֕ և ָ ߴ , ִ Ӿ ߴ ָ ӳ ֛ ײֻ֕ և, ֲ Ӿ Ӭ , ָ ֻ ױ ٙױ օ ֕߾ Ӭ , ֮פ , פ ߅

ֳ֬ , ֮־֤ ֕ ִ֤ Ͼֻ ӟ ֛פ פօ ֲꌙ ָ פ ֓ ָ ֳ ֟։, ֱ 6 ߮ ֋ , כ֙ ִ ֯ ָ ָ־ ָ Ϭִ֮ӡ פ , ײֻ , ֕ ֯ ß (ִ֯) ('3t/sch' ָ )

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* Pp 549 Onwards will be issued as Supplement.

SCH/KLS/6.30/3T

ֳ֬ ( פ ס־): ֮־֤ ӡ օ ׯ֔ : ߮ ֮֯ ֵ֮ ׻ֵ , ָ ֳ ߋֵ ֬և ֡ ..(־֮֬)

ִ֤ Ͼֻ: ׸ױ֮ ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֬: ֟ ׾ß ָ֮ ..(־֮֬)

ִ֤ Ͼֻ: , ׸ױ֮ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֬: Ͼֻ , ֯ ֟ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)

ִ֤ Ͼֻ: , ָ ׸ױ֮ , ֯ ֵ֤ ӡ ָ ־ֲ Ӥ

ֳ֬: Ͼֻ , פ ֯ Ͽ ֵָ , ָ ׾ß ֓ ֟ ו֋

ִ֤ Ͼֻ: ֳ֬ , ָ ׸ï Ӥ ꅠ

..ևԤ 4 ָ 2005 ֣ "־ָ " ֠ ֵ֤ , ֣ ֵ ֵ ־ָ ꅠ ִֵ פ֟ ֟ ָ ֋ ֲ ֻ֮ ? ֯ ֵ ֵ ײֻ֕ ? ֯ ֟ ֮ ־ ױ ӲӬ ֯ ,

߻ ָ ׿֮: ӲӬ ֺ օ

ֳ֬ , ָ þԾ ֿ ״ , ֯ ֮֟ ....(־֮֬)

ִ֤ Ͼֻ: , ִ ׻

߻ ָ ׿֮: , ֯ ֮֟ ֻ ֵ ֻ ߴ֟ ָ ײֻ֕ ֲֻ ֮ ϵ ו և־ָ ֟ , ߴ֟ ֿ ױ 

ֻ : ֟ ֜ פ ׻֋ ײֻ֕ ֯ ֻ ߅ ָ ֯ ָ ָ֮ օ

߻ ָ ׿֮: ֳ֬ , ֯ ־ֻ פ ײֻ֕ ֯ ֻ ֣ 1000 ־ ߴ , ֜ ָָ ָ ߿֮ ӓ ןֿ֟ ײֻ֕ ߅ ָ ײֻ֕ ֟ ָ ֨ӟ ׻ߕ ָ , ײֻ֕ ә ״ֻ֮ , ״ֻ ֟ ß ײֻ֕ ϵ , ׻֋ ߴ ꌙ ׸

..׻ֵ: ֟ ָ ׻ , ֕֙ ֟ ֈִ ߯, ֻ ֻ֮ ײֻ֕ -֛ , ׻ ...(־֮֬)

߻ ָ ׿֮: , ָ ײֻ֕ ֟ , ֮ ֟ ...(־֮֬)

..׻ֵ: , ֯ ײֻ֕ ...(־֮֬)

߻ ָ ׿֮: , ָ ֮ ֟ ָ߲ ָ , ׾ֿ ָ ׻֟ ־֙ և ߓ , ָ ֮ ꅠ ֟ ײֻ ï™ ָ ײֻ֕ י׻֙ ָ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI DINESH TRIVEDI): We will continue the discussion on the Essential Commodities (Amendment) Bill, 2005. Shri Shantaram Laxman Nayak who had left halfway.

THE ESSENTIAL COMMODITIES (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2005 (CONTD)

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAYAK (GOA): Sir, I was saying that under the Essential Commodities Act stocks were properly maintained, essential commodities were available at a fair price, prices were to be displayed on boards in the Fair Price Shops. Therefore, this Act helped the distribution and supply of essential commodities in a regulated way. Sir, before I proceed further, I would like to mention here that whenever Bills are tabled in the annexures all the related sections are made available to the Members, it will help in the discussion. I do not say this with regard to this Bill only but otherwise also. Now coming to the umbrella aspect of this Act, it is said this Act henceforth should be as an umbrella Act. Of course, it is a vague term as to how it should be an umbrella Act. I would suggest, Sir, if umbrella Act means, when situation arises then order should be issued under the Essential Commodities Act with respect to those commodities, then it may not be an effective step. By umbrella Act I mean that Act and order should remain in force only by administrative instructions and operation must be kept pending. (Contd 3U)

-KLS-SSS/3U/6.35

SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK (CONTD.): Supposing a situation arises where the Government finds the need for an order under the Essential Commodities Act and till the time the order is drafted, properly passed, properly circulated in the Government machinery, it goes through all the process of approval and then implemented. It may take time. Therefore, the umbrella concept should be such that Act and the orders should be there but they should be kept in abeyance under administrative orders so that if an order has to be invoked, it can be invoked within a few hours. That is the concept of umbrella Act. Secondly, another aspect I would like to stress here is, we have stressed here that because of liberalisation this need for amendment arises. Now, our laws should not be diluted for the purpose of liberalisation. Liberalisation has to come within the framework of our basic laws. For instance, we have not diluted so far our labour laws to suit any policy of liberalisation. In a similar manner, our Essential Commodities Act, one of the basic laws of the country should not be diluted for the sake of liberalisation or to favour any policy. That concept should not be considered. Thirdly, as far as definition of 'essential commodities' is concerned, who is deciding? Today, it is the Central Government, which decides the definition of 'essential commodities'. Powers are delegated under essential commodities to the State Governments. I would suggest that even the definition of 'essential commodities' should be left partly to the State Government so that when the need arises they can include more commodities by themselves by expanding the scope of definition of 'essential commodities'. Thirdly, as far as drugs are concerned, it is good that it has been included. But the question is, the problems faced by the pharmaceutical industry have to be met and there has to be proper synchronisation between the provisions of the Essential Commodities Act and the demand of the pharmaceutical industry to reduce excise duty from 16 to 8. Lastly, Sir, as far as adding certain clauses, certain items are concerned in the Statement of Objects and Reasons, one object that has been mentioned for adding is the availability of essential goods etc., whereas in the definition this aspect is not there. In the public interest, if the public interest demands, then Essential Commodities Act and its provisions have to be invoked. I would, in fact, suggest, Sir, if we have to loosen lightly the Essential Commodities Act, then, we have also to strengthen the Public Distribution System. Sir, more commodities are to be made available through the Public Distribution System because in the liberalisation policy, perhaps in certain areas our common man, people below poverty line may get affected. Therefore, simultaneously Public Distribution System has to be strengthened if Essential Commodities Act has to be implemented. Thank you. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI DINESH TRIVEDI): Shrimat Brinda Karat. She is not here.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI (MAHARASHTRA): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, two hours back when I was talking about the preservation of wild life, I mentioned that the new technology permits us to resuscitate and even resurrect some of the dead species. In the Panchatantra, there is a story of three Brahmin young men trying to put the bones and flesh of a dead lion together and put life into it. I think, the effort that the hon. Minister for Agriculture is doing here is like resurrecting a dead and bygone dinosaurus. (Contd. by NBR/3W)

-SSS/NBR-SC/3W/6.40.

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI (CONTD.): It was a vicious animal. We were hoping that it has gone, dead and buried and the hon. Minister of Agriculture is, now, trying to resurrect it. This Act has been an anachronism. The Statement and Objects and Reasons does not give full information. The beginning of the Essential Commodities Act is from the defence of India rule in 1942 which made the arrangements for the kind of controls on distribution, production and supply. It is only when the war was over, there was some thought about whether it should be converted into a regular legislation. Unfortunately, it was only after Independence that this draconian Act was passed. For the farmers, the Essential Commodities Act has been the major instrument of their exploitation and I can say that had there not been the Essential Commodities Act, there would not have been a spate of suicides that we see amongst farmers today.

There was a talk of balance of views of the Essential Commodities Act to ensure that the consumers are also not given a bad treatment. I would say that the Essential Commodities Act has been managed and administered by the salaried-class of consumers who are always mistaken or always given a skewed treatment to the farmers. An example is this. In 1980 when we had the first agitation for the price of onion, the export was banned when the price of onion has reached in Delhi Re. 1 per kg. At that time, the balcony ticket of cinema houses in Delhi was Rs. 2.50. Today, it is more than Rs. 100. So, one would expect that if you are being fair to the consumer, then there should be no complaints until the price of onion reaches, at least, Rs. 40 to 60 per kg. Even now, when it comes to Rs. 6 per kg. they start thinking of banning the export or making import of onion. So, it is not an act which has been impartially, fairly implemented in a balanced way. It has, principally, been an anti-farmer legislation. That can be compared with the Rowlatt Act of the bad British days. Sir, the implementation has, again, been like the days of famine when we did not have enough foodgrains and, in the days of famine, the Government used to collect compulsory levy from farmers. Even when they had not produced enough, the farmers were forced to purchase foodgrains from the market and deliver it to the Government at prices fixed by the Government. It was under this Act. When the farmers had a surplus production and they could make some money by exporting it to abroad, then exports were banned precisely under this Essential Commodities Act. The farmers were forced to deliver their sugarcane to only one given factory decided by the Government under this Act. So, this Act has been a draconian Act. And, I think, I would request Shri Sharad Pawarji, hon. Minister of Agriculture, who loves farmers and whom farmers love that it will be good signal if you simply scrap the Essential Commodities Act. I think that will help farmers and the rate of suicides will come down. If it has not come down with the package of the hon. Prime Minister, I think, this will be a very effective signal and, you certainly, go up in the estimate of the farmers as well.

And, Sir, on the Bill, there are some amendments proposed by hon. Shrimati Brinda Karat. I would say that the trend of those amendments is very funny. Everybody -- the Ministers and the Chief Ministers of States -- agreed that it has served its purpose. Now, it has to be kept only nominally as an umbrella and the Communist would like that the scope of this legislation be expanded! For example, there is a provision in the Bill that when the Government thinks that some of the commodities don't need to figure in the Essential Commodities List, then that item can be removed. The Communists want that power to be taken away from the Government.

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN: Why the name of Communist is coming here? It is irrelevant.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI DINESH TRIVEDI): Sharadji, please carry on and stick to your subject.

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN: Sir, why is the name of Communist coming here?

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: This has been proposed by Smt. Brinda Karat.

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN: It is not only Smt. Brinda Karat, I myself also proposed some amendments. The point is why the name of Communist is coming here?

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI: The name that is given here is that of Smt. Brinda Karat. I don't see your name here. Okay. Forget about it.

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN: Why is the name of Communist coming here?

(FOLLOWED BY USY "3X")

NBR-USY/3X/6.45

SHRI SHARAD ANANTRAO JOSHI : Secondly, it is also proposed that items like cotton, jute yarn, newsprint paper should not be there. We have experienced that when the levy was on rice, and not on paddy, it was the paddy price that was affected. So, we would say that even the secondary commodities, which figure in the Essential Commodities Act, would actually do injustice to the farmers. The provision in the Act is that the Government of India will decide which commodities are to be taken away and which commodities are to be put in, and whether to extend the time period given for that particular commodity or not. I think, the Essential Commodities Act has lived too long to be good. And, while it is agreed and decided that it has served its purpose during the period of scarcity, it serves no useful purpose at all, excepting depressing the prices of agricultural commodities in the market. Therefore, I hope that the Minister of Agriculture will take bold initiatives. He may possibly withdraw it. He may not be able to do it just now, I see his difficulties. But I would ideally like that the Act should be simply scrapped. Further, if at all he is not able to scrap it, then, I would say that the decision about addition or deletion of commodities should be taken by sort of a Regulatory Authority, to be established under his Ministry, so that the decisions can be taken quickly and in a representative manner. (Ends)

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN (WEST BENGAL): Sir, I would like to support this Bill with some reservations. I hope that the hon. Minister would clarify the position. I have already sent two amendments also. I suppose, the Bill, namely, the Essential Commodities (Amendment) Bill, 2005 is an outcome of the Chief Ministers' Meeting held on 21st May, 2006. In the Statement of Objects and Reasons, it is said, I quote, "The production, supply and distribution of essential commodities". I would first like to stress upon the phrase 'distribution of essential commodities'. In this very House, some days ago we had discussed about the Public Distribution System. So, on this occasion, I would like to inform this House and say that our intensity and our attitude should be to strengthen the Public Distribution System throughout the country. Everyday, we read in the newspapers that farmers are committing suicide in different parts of the country. On that particular day, we had discussed that even roti and dal are not available to the common man. So, the Public Distribution System is one of the great outlets of our system to provide them some relief. But we are saying everyday that the number of suicides by our beloved farmers is going up. So, I would like to say, while we are talking about the essentiality of commodities, essentiality of distribution of essential commodities to the people of India should be in incorporated in this Bill or the hon. Minister should clarify. Hon. Minister, Shri Sharad Pawar, is present here.

Sir, my second point is this. I beg to differ with this philosophy 'liberal economy is going on throughout the world'; and in our wish or not in our wish we are in the trap of liberal economy in country.

(Contd. by 3y -- VP)

VP/6.50/3Y

SHRI MOINUL HASSAN (CONTD.): So, in that perspective we are trying to reorganise everything. I defer with this philosophy. So, in a liberal economic era, we are going to reorganise the essential commodities. I would like to say that it is not proper to bring about a legislation in this context. So, I would like to request the hon. Minister to consider this situation.

Another point which I would like to submit is this. What are the essential commodities? Essential commodities are, usually, used by the common people who are below the poverty line of our country. We are trying our best to supply them commodities at a cheaper rate through the Public Distribution System, this I have told earlier. We are trying our best to do something for the common people of our country.

Another point which I would like to submit and which one hon. Member has mentioned is that it is the State Governments which have the power to find out which are the essential commodities. Everything is left to the State Governments. Are we in a position to encroach upon the power of the State Government through this piece of legislation? I would like to mention a point which is last but not the least one. Why are we changing the list of essential commodities list? He has mentioned that it is because of the demand and supply position. What is the harm if it is in the essential commodities list? If the demand is less and supply is more, okay, we will go in the open market and purchase it. Why are you doing this? Actually, if we want to improve the situation of the common people, we should include more and more commodities in the list of essential commodities. This is my opinion.

My other opinion is that when we add or fix the time-frame for the essential commodities, we must consult the State Governments. Law and order, agriculture, etc. are in the hands of the State Governments. I suppose, this is one of the important essentialities of this concept, which is dealt with here. So, with these words, I would like to conclude.

(Ends)

SHRIMATI S.G. INDIRA (TAMIL NADU): Thank you, Sir. I want to put forth my limited points. I don't want to go into a detailed discussion because everyone has already spoken on this. It has been mentioned in clause 3(4) that the Central Government may exercise its powers under sub-section (2) in respect of the commodity. This means that the Central Government has wide powers in fixing up the essential commodities and they have the deciding power. Here I want to say that at this point, the concurrence of the concerned State should also be taken. They should be called for discussion and after that the Central Government might decide accordingly.

I want to put forth another point. If that particular State Government invokes its power to restrict the free movement of certain essential agricultural commodities, then, the Central Government should not invoke its overriding authority to nullify the order of that concerned State Government. (Continued by PK/3Z)

PK3Z/6.55

SHRIMATI S.G. INDIRA (CONTD.): The State Governments have their own agricultural produces and commodities in a particular year. At that time, the Central Government should not override the State Government's power. The Central Government should also keep monitoring the production of essential and major agri- produces to know exactly the demand and supply position of the country. This will help the Centre in judiciously deciding whether the demand of certain States to restrict free movement of certain produces is in larger interests or not. So, the Central Government should also consider and monitor this. Another important thing is, the Centre can control import and export of agri- produces. Any unthoughtful import of produces, without taking into account the domestic demand, domestic production, will put the farmers to hardship. So, farmers' interests should also be protected. Similarly, when there is expected domestic shortage, the export of agricultural produces should be done keeping in view the interests of the farmers and the nation. So, I don't want to go into what are the things to be added or deleted, but on a particular occasion, the views of the concerned State Governments should be taken into account and the interests of agricultural producers, consumers and traders should also be taken care of. Thank you. (Ends)

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (ANDHRA PRADESH): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, elaborate material has been provided in the Statement of the Objects and Reasons of this Bill. I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Minister to two or three points. One is, we are aware that everything is dependent on demand and supply. Now, the markets are demand-oriented. We are having demand-driven markets. Often, we witness, whenever there are elections, both at the Central level and the State level, the Governments are concerned more about the common man. They will be providing all the required essential commodities at the Fair Price Shops, or, at the outlets provided by the Government itself. Why can't we make it a regular feature? However, day after tomorrow, we are going to discuss about the agrarian distress and I will try to elaborate all these things during that debate, but my limited point here is, you are trying to amend section 2 by inserting section 2 A. Sir, in section 2A-- foodstuffs have been mentioned here-- I request the hon. Minister to elaborate the definition of foodstuffs. Last week, we discussed about colas, whether they are part of foodstuffs or not. If that is so, whether this proposed Act applies to them or not.

The other point is, since many of my colleagues have raised the issue of Centre-State conflict on essential commodities, why is this confusion? I request the hon. Minister to clarify this. Even if you make any legislation, you have to depend on the State machinery, you don't have any separate mechanism to oversee your legislation. Invariably, you have to delegate your powers for proper implementation of this enactment itself. However, you have mentioned that you have consulted all the State Chief Ministers. During your discussions with them, you have come out with certain proposals. I request you to take their views into consideration while enacting this legislation and send it to the States for its implementation. (Contd. by 4A/PB)

 

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