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PB/2A/3.00

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA (CONTD.): Sir, this is a very peculiar situation. I want that this effort should be doubled. The Centre has funds; but the States don't use them. Then, how do they expect these under-privileged people to grow, if they don't use funds meant for them? Sir, some States do not even keep proper data. As a result of this kind of indifferent implementation by the States, the children and women are the worst sufferers of the Government's apathy. Remember, Sir, the women among the marginalised sections are more skilled and can bring the economic empowerment to the family, if they are given assistance through micro credit. And, there is no shortage of micro credits, I can tell you with authority. The bankers have given us the information that there is hundred per cent success rate in this. There are no NPAs in micro credit; hundred per cent money comes back with interest. That is why I was going to tell our hon. Minister that let us not say that there is shortage of funds. There is no shortage of funds. There are enough funds with the Central Government. There are enough funds with the bankers. But somebody has to use them. That effort has to be made by the State Governments and also, of course, by his Ministry.

I call upon the Government to engage the State Governments in implementing the Centrally-aided assistance programmes more earnestly. Sir, the performance of agencies like the National SC/ST Finance and Development Corporation needs to be further improved.

Finally, Sir, I want to say ...(Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Yes; yes; please. Yes; finally conclude.

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: Finally, Sir, I would like to say that if this House and each one of us sitting here and the Government resolves that 'we take the full responsibility that all these communities, SCs/STs or the other deprived communities in the country, all over the country, should be on a par with the rest of the communities, then only, probably, in the next two or three or four or five years, it can happen, and then only India will develop. India will be more peaceful; India will be the best country in the world; India will be the proudest country in the world and India will become the most important country in the world. Thank you. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Now, see, Mr. Ali Anwar wants to catch the train and Mr. Narayanasamy wants to catch the flight. So, first, I am calling Mr. Ali Anwar; but take only five minutes. Only on that condition, I am calling you because I had to call Mr. Narayanasamy.

־ָ: ָ, ָ maiden speech , ֟ ו֋

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Then let Mr. Narayanasamy speak. After him, you can speak. ...(Interruptions)...

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Sir, it is his maiden speech.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: That is correct. Then, let Mr. Narayanasamy speak. After that, you can speak.

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. ִֵָ : ״֮֙... ״֮֙

ֳ֬ : ״֮֙

־ָ : , ױ ־ ו֋

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay; okay; Mr. Narayanasamy.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY (PONDICHERRY): Thank you, Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to speak on a very important Bill moved by hon. Member, Shri Silvius Condpan, who was also a Minister and the Leader of the Opposition in the Assam Legislative Assembly.

Sir, the aim of the Bill is to protect the interests of the people who are migrants from one State to the other; and the benefits enjoyed by them in their State should be given to them in the State where they have migrated. They should also get the advantages in the other State where they are going.

Sir, initially while making his speech, hon. senior Member of this House, Shri Santosh Bagrodia, was making certain remarks about me. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: I would request him, 'not to provoke me.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, I said that I would react at the time when I speak. He has also agreed on that at that time. Sir, last time, when he spoke, he started his speech by saying 'India is the only country where the people are fighting for reservation.' (Followed by 2b)

2b/3.05/skc

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: No. Again, Sir, I have quoted that I have not used the word 'reservation' at all. It says very clearly...(interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): There is no need to repeat it...(interruptions)... That is on record; it is all right.

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: Sir, it is a question of my credibility.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No, Mr. Bagrodia did not mention reservation. He did not use the word 'reservation'.

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: Sir, he is trying to destroy my character, my image...(interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Mr. Bagrodia did not use the word 'reservation'. That has been made it clear in his speech.

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: After so many days, he has not gone through the records. I said that I have not used the word 'reservation'. And still, he is saying this.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: In your speech, you have made it very clear and so, you need not repeat it.

SHRI SANTOSH BAGRODIA: Sir, it is an intentional effort to destroy my character, my image, and you must stop him. You must give me protection because the records say it differently. He is misleading.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Let him speak.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, in India, whether it be the case of the Scheduled Castes or the Scheduled Tribes or the Backward Classes, only by fighting with the establishment for their rights, be it education or employment, they were able to achieve it. That had been the history. Dr. Baba Saheb Ambedkar fought for reservation for the SCs and STs and Mandal was responsible for brining in reservation for Backward Classes. Nobody can change this fact; it is part of history.

Now, the issue is very critical, which the hon. Minister alone could resolve. Sir, in every State, when people belonging to a particular community want to be categorised as Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes or Backward Classes, they approach the Commission of that State. The Commission and the State Government put in all their efforts.

Sir, as you know, it is very difficult to convince the Commission and the State Government. The State Government makes recommendations, and the SC/ST Commission or Backward Classes Commission also make recommendations for certain communities to be considered as either Backward Classes or SCs and STs. Then, the recommendations are sent to the Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment. But, it is unfortunate that a decision in the matter is not taken even after two or three years. The State Government sends reminders and so does the Commission. When the State Government is convinced, when the Commission is convinced, why should the Ministry stand in between? That is the point I would like to make.

Sir, before going into the subject, in my State, people belonging to the Scheduled Tribes, who have been traditionally working in the fields, have not been recognised even after 40 years. The State Assembly has passed a Resolution, the Commission has made recommendations, and still, no decision has been taken. We have sent a representation to the Home Ministry and also to the Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment for recognizing the particular community as a Scheduled Tribe community in the State.

Sir, this case, which the hon. Member, Shri Silvius Condpan, has brought forth before this august House, is very justifiable, for the simple reason that if those people had remained in their State, they could have enjoyed the benefits accruing to them as Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in that State. When they migrate to other States for the purpose of employment, they must also carry the rights accruing to the communities in their State of origin.

Sir, another distinction has also been made; it is accepted in West Bengal, it is accepted in Tripura, but not is Assam. Why is that so? The State Government had recommended it; the State Assembly had passed the Resolution and thereafter, the issue was taken up with the Central Government several times by the State Government concerned. When the State Government is convinced and when the Commission has also recommended it, then, the Central Government needs to consider it and see to it that the amendment is brought in.

Sir, you are aware of the pitiable conditions of the tribal people working in the plantation areas. They must get some advantages from the Government. If they were declared as Scheduled Tribes or Scheduled Castes in that State, they would be accruing the benefits given to them by the concerned State Government; but if they are recognized as Backward Classes or as any other community, they will not be able to get the advantages. Therefore, this Bill has been brought forward by the hon. Member, who has been pioneering the cause of tea plantation workers, to enable these communities to enjoy the SC/ ST status. (Contd. by 2c/hk)

HK/2c/3.10

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY (CONTD.): Another wider issue which the hon. Minister has to consider is regarding the Scheduled Castes Christians -- Scheduled Castes people, belonging to the Hindu religion, who have embraced Christian religion. Though they are the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes, they have been denied the benefits which have been accruing to the people who belong to the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes. Sir, in this august House, in the year 1996, I brought a Private Members' Resolution for giving benefits to the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes even if they have been converted into the Christians. Several Legislative Assemblies have also passed a Resolution. In Tamil Nadu, advantages are being given to them; in Pondicherry, advantages are being given to them on par with the SC/ST communities. If you go through the history, the customs, the conventions and the way of living of people, they are similar because they are from one family and they are brothers and sisters. If one brother embraces Christianity and lives in that cluster or he lives in the family but embraces another religion, he is being denied the advantages and benefits which have been given to the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes community. Sir, neo-Buddhists got it. People who have embraced Buddhism have been given advantages. People who have embraced Sikhism have been given advantages. Religion is not a bar for people, who have been embracing another religion, to get the advantages. I can embrace any religion, nobody can stop me. It does not mean that I have left my caste. If I am following a particular religion, I should not be deprived of the advantages that I have been getting. Kindly see the situation on the ground. When the Government is giving ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI SURESH BHARDWAJ: There is no casteism in the Christianity or Islam. ..(Interruptions)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Please don't interrupt. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: This is the theory which the BJP is propagating. ..(Interruptions).. This is the theory which the BJP is propagating in this country. ..(Interruptions)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Don't bring in politics. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: If Hinduism is there, everything is there. If they go to another religion, you get offended. ..(Interruptions).. Sir, in one family there are two brothers ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI JESUDASU SEELAM: That was the wrong statement made by the hon. Member. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, there are two brothers. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI SHREEGOPAL VYAS: Sir, ..(Interruptions)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): When your turn comes, then speak. ..(Interruptions).. Don't interrupt. ..(Interruptions).. Do you yield? ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Let him speak. I have no problem.

SHRI SHREEGOPAL VYAS: I want to speak briefly. Those who advocate Christianity, they do it on the basis of informing the so-called converts that because they are in such and such community, they are not getting the advantages. Once you become a Christian, you will get the advantages. The question, therefore, arises ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI JESUDASU SEELAM:: That is a wrong statement...(Interruptions)..

SHRI SHREEGOPAL VYAS: This is what the people say. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI JESUDASU SEELAM: This is a wrong statement. ..(Interruptions).. You are giving a wrong information in this House. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI SHREEGOPAL VYAS: This is an information that I have. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI SURESH BHARDWAJ: There is no casteism in the Christianity or the Islam. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI SHREEGOPAL VYAS: This is my submission to you, Sir. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI JESUDASU SEELAM: When massacre took place, Mr. David was killed not because he was Christian, but because he was Dalit; Christianity does not stop the Dalit being massacred. What will you answer for this? I would like to request you to kindly study before making a statement because you are held in high esteem by the ... ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI SURESH BHARDWAJ: First you study. ..(Interruptions)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): That is enough. ..(Interruptions).. Don't argue. ..(Interruptions)..

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: The argument given by the hon. Member is that if you go to the Christianity you will get advantages and, therefore, they are luring them to embrace Christianity. This is a wrong statement by the hon. Member. Without knowing the real facts, he is mentioning it.

(Contd. by 2d/KSK)

KSK/AKG/3.15/2D

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY (CONTD): Sir, as we are from the villages, we see the people....(Interruptions).

SHRI SHREEGOPAL VYAS: He is misquoting me. Please allow me to say what I have said. I have not said that you will get more advantages by becoming Christian. What I am saying is : the theory that they plead is that people are suffering because they belong to Hinduism. There are no castes in Christianity. Therefore, people should come to Christianity. This is what I have said. I know that Shri Narayanasamy is a good orator, but he should not try to put words in my mouth.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Let me explain for the benefit of the hon. Member from BJP. Simply because somebody belongs to other religion, we should not blindly oppose him. Let us see the ground situation there. Two brothers, in a family, are living side by side. One is following Christianity and the other is following Hinduism. Both the brothers socialise with each other for all the family functions. They live together. They plough the land. They do all the customary rituals. They perform all the Poojas. One brother goes to the Church; another goes to the temple. But, when it comes to the question of advantages given by the Government, whether it is 'free rice scheme' or other advantages given by the Social Welfare Department, the brother belonging to Christian community has been ignored and he has not been given the advantages stating that he belongs to Christian community. Now, where is the logic in it? Therefore, Sir, religion should not be a bar for anybody in getting the advantages from the Government because the policy of the Government is to uplift the poor people, the downtrodden people, above poverty line. That is the idea of the Government. Therefore, religion is not a bar. When I had brought the Bill, I would like to tell that Shri Ram Vilas Paswan was the concerned Minister at that time. At that time, he gave an assurance on the floor of this House. He said that he would give benefit to the Dalit Christians and he would bring in an amendment in this House. So far, it has not been done. I would like to remind the hon. Minister that this is the demand throughout the country, especially the people belonging to Southern States. Sir, you know the position in Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, the people who are living in those States, even in Northern States, the people, the Dalit Christians, whether they belong to Christian community, or they convert to Christianity, should not be deprived of the benefits and advantages given by the Government to people belonging to other communities. I would like to drive home this point. I request the hon. Minister to respond on the assurance which was given by Shri Paswanji.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): Please conclude now.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, with only two words, I am winding up. This one argument which I would like to put here is regarding the people who have been working in a very poor condition in tea plantation. For how long can the State Government of Assam take up the issue with the Central Government without the Central Government deciding the matter and keeping it pending? The Assembly Resolution is there. Then, political parties have unanimously resolved on this matter, and thereafter, there is public opinion because people migrate for their livelihood. They settle down there. For 40 years, 50 years, 100 years, they have been living there and their living condition has not improved. Therefore, they want to come up in life. They need some protection from the Government. The Government should recognise the community to which they belonged in the State of their origin before migrating to the present State. It should also be extended to Assam and Tripura. Therefore, I support the Constitution Amendment which has been moved by the hon. Member, Shri Silvius Condpan. I request the hon. Minister to consider this and bring in an Amendment, as early as possible, to resolve the issue. (Ends)

־ָ (ײָ) :  ָ օ , ׯ֔ 28 և ֲ ײֻ ָ , ӵ ֯ ָ ָ ֯ ֤ ֮ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֮ ֮ ̴֕ ߓ - և ߅ (2 ָ ֿ:)

2E/HMS-KSK/3.20

־ָ (֟) : ߓ 5 ״֮֙ ֟ ֛߅ ֤ ֯ - ֟ ָ ? ֵ֤ ֻ֟ ֯ פ ߅ , ֕ ָ - ִֵָ ߓ

, և ִֵ ֟ և ִ ָ ִ֟ ִֻ֮ ߓ ևԵ ߓ ֟ߵ ־ , -ߓ ֱ , ִֻ֮ ִ֕ ָ ֮ ֟ ֕ ׮ֵ֤ ָ ׾ֵ ָ ֵ֮ ָ ֲ ׻ ָ ֜ ߾֮ וֵ ׮ֵ֤ ָ ֮ ûִ Ӥ ֱ ־ , ֻ֮ ־ָ ûִ ִ֕ Ӥ ו ָ և ִ֕ ָ և ֟ , ûִ ִ֕ Ӥ ־ ָ ־ ִ֕ ֤ ִ֕ ־ ֱֻ ָ ֻ ֛և ן ָ -־ã , - ֱֻ ֛և ֛ ֵ ִ֕ ֮ ߴָ ֟ ִ֕ ָ ו֮ ߴָ ֱֻ ־֕ ֵ, ֛և ֛ ֮ ֤ؕ ֌ פօ ֵ֮׸ Ӥ ֵ֤ "և" ֮ ֕ ֮ ׿ֿ ֵ֤ ֟ ûִ ִ֕ ߴָ ֮ ׿ֿ

, ܴ ׻֋ ֟ ִ֮ ו ָ ӳ߸ ׾ָ֓ ֺ ׻֋ ײֻ ֵ , ֮ ָ ֮ ֙ ֮֟ () ָ ִ֣Ԯ ָ ߟ߿ ָ ܵ ӡ ֮֮ ٻִֵ ֮ ָ ֲ ־ֻ ָ և ִֻ֮ ֛ Ù Ù ״ֻ֮ Ӥ ֟-ӟ, - ־ , ִו ׻֋ Ù ״ֻ֮ , ֟ ֮֜ ֟ 1901 ֮֮ ׸ ֻ ו 133 ןֵ ֮ ֵ , ָ ׿ ִֻ֮ ׸ ָ ָ ûִ ִ֕ ܵ ߮ ׾ֳ֌ - ֟, ֱֻ ֻօ ߮ ֣ ׸ָ ֟ - ו֮ ׾֤ , ָ׿ֵ, ׮ß֮ ֋ ָ ־ , ִ ֤ ִֻ֮ ֮ ֋, ֱֻ ߓ ן ִ-׸֟Ԯ ִֻ֮ ֮ (2 /ߋ־ ָ ֿ:)

HMS/PSV-GSP/2F/3.25

־ָ (֟) : ִֻ֮ ָ , ו ָ 1901 ֮֮ ׸ , ã֮ ָ ָ , ֻ ־ ߓ ןֵ , ֲ ߓ ֟ ִ ֻ, ֲֻ, ֻ֤ ֵ פ ״ֻ ֣ ָ ִֻ֮ ִ֮ ו֮ Õ֤ ֮ ֮ ־ԕ׮ ϵ

, , ָ ֵ֮ Õ֤ - , ײß֮ - ֱ ִֻ֮ ִ֕ ߴָ , և ִ֕ ׻֟ և , ֓ - , ײß֮ - ׻֋ ִ ״ֻ֟-֟ , ִֻ֮ ֻ ָ ûִ , ָ 滛 Ù , ִֻ֮ 滛 Ù ? ֛ , ֛ ִ ִ , ״׮Ù ֮֟ ֮ , ֙ ָ ֬ ֣ ֛ - ָ ֟ ״׮Ù , և000 , և000 ֮ ֟ , ֓֟ ִ֕ ûִ ֮ ֵօ ?

ִֻ֮ ֻ , ִֻ֮ ֻ , *, ָ , ֮ ֵ֮ ֵ, ֣ ֟ ָ ֤, , ֓ ־֮ ָ׻ ִ , ֮ ִ ָָ ֻ ։ ֮ ֮ ֲ ֟ פ , ֻ ֮ ֣ ָ ßָ , ߮ ֟ ׻ֵ֟ ״ֻ֮ , ֻ ֿ֮ ֛ ״ֻ֮ , פ ־ ״ֻ֮ , ֱ ִֻ֮ ֟ ֱ և ֟? ֟ ֯ ֕ ִ ָ, ׸ߕ̮ ִ ָ כ״֮֮ ָ -־ ֻ ֟ , ִ֮ ֻ և ָֿ ֻ ֟ ֮ ֟ ֮ և

, ֯ ֋ ֱ 1901 ֮֮ ֟ ֯ ֮֮ ֮֟ ֮֮ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ 㻻֤֕ ִ ן ן ִ ו֮ ָ þ֟ӡ ׌ ִ ߓ پ־ ן ׻

* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.
ִ á ֲ ֓ , ֓ ִ ã ָ ״ֻ ֟օ ֻ֟ ֓ ׯ֟ ϵ ָ ׾־ ן û ׸ָ פ ֋ ָ -י ָߤ-ײ ֟ ֆ ߴ֟ ֲֻ ֤ և ֟ ָ ֮ ֓ ߴ֟ ѓ ֋ ״ֻ֟ , ֛ 20 ֋ ֟ ִֻ֮ ָ ִ ֆ ßֻ ֱ -׾ֻ ׻֋

, ֱ ֮֮ ֟ ™ׯ֟ ֟ Ѭ ™ׯ֟ ֟ Ӭ ? ֻ , ִօ ֲ ִօ ֟ Ӭ , ׸֮ ס 26.121.1936 ׻ ׻֟ ? "Whether a Harijan is nominally a Christian, Muslim, or Hindu and now Sikh, he is still a Harijan. He cannot change his spots inherited from Hinduism so called. He may change his garb and call himself a Catholic Harijan or Muslim Harijan or Neo-Muslim or Neo-Sikh, his untouchability will haunt him during his lifetime." , ִ Ӭ ֮ ֟ ׻ֵօ ֯ ֲ ß֮ ׾֮֬ ֮ , ִֵ ֱ 滛 Ù Ù օ ß֮ Ùߓә 괲ֻ ־֕ և , ׻֟ , ִֵ ֟ ֮ ևԅ (2/000 ָ ֿ:)

2G/klg/3.30

־ָ (֟) : ֤ ֟ ֮ ֵ ֻߴ ֵ, 㻛 Ù ״ֻ ֵօ ָ ֯ , ֲ .. ָָ , ׮ֆ- Ù פ, 㻛 Ù Ù פօ ־ֻ ٻִֵ ײֻ , ָ ־ ִֵ , ׿ֵ֮ 㻛 Ù ׻֋, ײֻ ß ֻ פ ֵ? ִֻ֮ ... , ִֻ֮ ָ֮ ָ , ִֻ֮ 㻛-և , ִֻ֮ 㻛 Ù ? ִ 㻛 Ù ןֵ , 㻛 Ù ֮֮ օ ׻֋ ײֻ ִ֣ԟ

, ִֻ֮ ӟ-ӟ, ֱ߻ ֮ օ ִֻ֮ ߴָ ß֮ , ߴָ ִ , ׸֮ ֟ ׮ֵ ִִ , ֕ -ߓ, ֔ ׾ֳ ִ ֻ - , "ֵ" , ֲ 593 ߕָ ִֵ ß֮ ûִ ֻ , ß֮ ֮֟ ߮ ֲ ֋ , ֯ û״ ׸ï כָ֮ , ֱֻ , ֱֻ , ֻ ֻ ֵ֮ ? ֻ ֵ֮ ߓ , ֻ ֵ֮ ߮ , ֻ ֵ֮ ׮™ , ֲ , ָ ֲ , ׻ ֲ ׻֋ ֲ ֲ ָ ߴָ , և? ֟ ָ ִָ, ָ ָ ֲ , ֛և ֛߅ ָ ֲ , ֟-׾֤ ֲ ֮ ֮ ̴֕ , ֮֟ ָ ָ ֲ ֵ֟ ֻ ָ, ֻ ָ, ִ ָ, ִ ָ ָ ֻ ָ , ׮ֵ֤ ָ , ו ߕ ָ ֲ ֮ ֤-֤ ִֻ ֟ߵ ִֻ , ֺ ִֻ ֮ פ, ֮ ָ ֕ ֮ ֟ ß֮ ־ ֮ ן ָ ־ , ָָ , ֟ , ִ֕ , ֵׯϵ , ָ ֟ ָ ֮ ׻֋ ײֻ ִ֣Ԯ

, ָ ײָ֤ ִ יָօ ֯ ֲ יָօ ָ ֻ֓ ֟ ֛ ׻Ù , ִ ײָ֤ ִ יָ , ֲ ָ כ יָ ֲ , ֲ ֙ ֛ , פ יָ ָ ֛ ? ָ ײָ ֵ ֲָ օ ֻ-ֻ ֲ , ֯ ֮֟ ָ ִֻ֮ ײָ֤ ֯ 㻛 Ù Ù ? ָ ײָ֤ ֤߅ ק , ֲ .. , ״ֻ֮ ׻֋ ֵ օ ֕ ֤ , ֤ ײָ֤ , ֮֯ , ָ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֮֟ , ָ ӡ , ִָ և , ִָ ׻ֵ ֟ , ֟ ֬ ߚ ָ ֙, ՙ, ֮ ֲֻ ֓-֓ ײָ֤ ֻ֟ , ՙ, ֙, ֻ ִ ִ ֤ ק ֻ ֤ ײָ֤ ֤ ֮ ֵ, ׻ֵ, ֵ, ָ ִ֕ ִ פ ֕ ֤օ ֯ ֮ ֛օ

, ֮ ֵ֟ 㻻֤֕ ? 㻻֤֕, ֻ , ֲ֓ , ֕ , ߸-ָ , , ֵ֕֕ ֤ , ן ֮ ߅ 2/ ָ

AKA-VKK/2H/3:35

־ָ (֟) : ֕ ִ ֮ ן ִ ֟֟ ֲ ֵ ֕߯, ײָ ֮ , - ָ , ֻ ִ , ֮ * ֤ ָ -־ 㻻 ֤ 滛 Ù , ו ִ֕ ָ ה ִ׮֟ , ? ֻ ֟ , ֻ ִ ֮ ֟ - ֟ , ֟ , ־ ֟ ִ ָ ֮ , և? ֮ , ִ ֮ , ֻ ײָ֤ , * , 滛 Ù Ù ״ֻ,

* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.
״ֻ? ֻ ֟ ָ , ֮ ֛ ӣוÙ , ֻ ӟֻ , ֮ ֲ ׻ , ֲ ׌֟ ֟֓ߟ ֟ ֻ ִ-߸ 滛 Ù ֟ ָ և ײֻ ָ ֻ ִ-߸ 滛 Ù ײָ , ָ Ϥ , ֬ Ϥ פ ? , 滛 Ù ־ ֮ օ ִֻ ָ ֤ Դָ֤֮ ֓և ִ օ ִ֟ ָ ָָ ִ ֟ 1935 ־֮Դ ֱ כ , ִ , ֻ , ֙, ֌, ־כ, ָ֤, יָ, ִִ ײָ֤׸ 滛 Ù ֲ ָ ׾֮֬ ֮, ߾ָ פ ֵօ ٙ 341 ָ ֟ , 1950 ו̛׿ֵֻ ֛ , ׸ Ù֮ ֺ , ֱ 1950 ו̛׿ֵֻ ֛ , ָ ׯ ׻ֵ ֋ ָ ֕ ׻֟ ֋ ָ ֜օ , ׯ ֟

, כ , ֵ֤ ֻ ֋ ߔ , , ֲָ ֜ כ ٻִֵ և  ֱ և ״׮Ù ״ֻ֮ ֋ 滛 Ù ״ֻ֮ ָ ָ ָ ףֵ ײֻ ִ֣Ԯ , ٻִֵ 36 ִֻ֮ 00 , ִֻ֮ 00 ִ֕ , ־ ִ֮ ֻ , ־֕ ֟ ָ ִ--߮, ָ ׸וֵ ߛ ֟ ֟, ׻֋ ָָ ָָ ־ֻ - և ָ ײֻ ָָ ײֻ ֋, ו ָָ

, ֯ ֮֟ ־ֻ ָ ֕ Ӥ֮ ֻ ֯ ֮֟ և ִֵ ߴ ֮ ד ӲӬ ֵָ ֮ ד ֻ ֻ , ו ָ ו֕ , և ִֵ ֻ , ûִ-׻֟ ֻ , ָ ָָ , ֮ ָ֮ ִ , י ִֻ , ו֋, ֯ ֻ ֟ ו֋ ֮ ֣֮ ״ ߿֮ ֮ ֻ ִ פօ ('2j/sch' ָ ָ)

SCH/3.40/2J

־ָ (֟): ֮֮ߵ ӡ ָ , ֻ Ù ״׮Ù ָ , ֣֮ ״ ״ֿ֮ , ֻ֟ , -Ӿ׮ ו ״ֿ֮ -Ӿ׮ , ֻ -Ӿ׮ օ , ִֻ֮ Ӥ ٣ ֛ , ״ ֻ֮ ֛ , ׸֮̾ ָ ׾֮֬׾֤ , ӡ ״ ֛ , ׾֮֬ ׻֋ ׸֮̾ ־֮֬ ָָ ֵֻ ׿ֿ ו ״ֿ֮ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ִֻ ֵ , ֣֮ ״ ״ֿ֮ և ߤ ֵ ״ֻ, ׻֋ ָ ָָ ָ ײֻ ֮

, ֮ ׻֋, ֻ ֮ ֻ , ֮ ׻֋ ûִ ׸֮̾ ֟ ָ ִֻ֮ ִ֤֮ , ָ ִֻ֮ և ֻ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ׻֟ և , ִ ֕ ׮ֵ֤ ָ ָ ״ֻօ Ӭ Ϥ ָָ , ָ ֯ ָָ ӓ ןֿ֟ ׸֮̾ פ , ֮֯ և ֤ פ ָ - ָ פօ ߴ ֋ ߴ ֯ ִֻ ָ Ù פ ׻֋ ֟ ׾֮֬ ֱֻ ֯ ֮ ߔ և ִ֟ ûִ ׸֮̾ ֟ , ָ ִֻ֮ ׸֮̾ ֟ , ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ׻֟ և , ֱֻ ָ ֮ ׻֋ ߵ֟ , ֲ , ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ׻֟ և , ֮ ׻֋ ûִ ׸֮̾ ֯ , , ִ ָ ֟ ߛ, ָ , ߾ָ ָ ׻ ָ ־ֻ ײָ ֢ ׸֟Ԯ פ և ߾ָ ָ ׻ ָ ֯ ֜ ו֋ ִ ו֋, ֵ ֋օ ָ̟ , ֳ ִֻ֮ ָ ߯ ֯ פ , ֻ ׾֮֬ ֱֻ ׯ֔ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ֤Կ ֻ ָ ֯ ִֻ֮ ֵ 滛 Ù Ù ו֋ ֯ ؓ֟ ٻִֵ ևӤ ֙ , ֯ ؓ֟ ָָ ׸ ևӤ ֙ , , ֻ, ֙, ־׸, יָ, ִֻ֮ ָ 滛 Ù Ù ״ֻ ׸̾ ߙ ֛ , ևԋ ևԯߋ ֮ ֲ ִ֕ ֲ ׮ֻ֓ ֤ ֜ , , ִ֕ ָ ִ֕ ָ -ְ ֮֟ ׻֋ ָָ ӳ߸ ӡ ֕ ֤ ײֻ ֯ ׸ ִֻ֮ և , 滛 Ù Ù פ ֋

, ִ , ֟ , ֮ , ׻֋ - օ (ִ֯)

2K/MCM ָ

MCM-MKS/2K/3-45

֮ ֻ ӛ (ײָ) : , ײֻ , ִ֣Ԯ ֛ ָ פ ֻ ֲ ֛פ ײ֮ ָ ׾־֤ ׾֮֬ ־ã ֣ 㓔 -341 ֣ 342 㓔 - 340 338 㓔 338 - ד֟ ן ד֟ ֮֕ן ׻֋ ™ߵ ßָ ָ ֵ ãև ֮ ׻֋, ãן ֮ ׻֋ 㓔 -340 ׯ֔ ׻֋ ֵ 㓔- 341 342 ד֟ ןֵ ֮֕ןֵ ׻֋ ׾֮֕ ֛ ֲ ֛ ֟ ֟ ִ֟ ד֟ ן ߛ , ד֟ ֮֕ן ߛ ׯ֔ ߛ , ֕ ָ ־ã ׾֮֬ ׮ִԟֆ ־֮֬ ׾֮֬ ׮׿֟ ֕ ־ã ֕ ֟ ׾ֻ ָ , ׾֮֬ ־ã ׾ֻ ָ פ, ױ ֟ ָ , ־ã , ־ã ָ - ָ ָ ןֵ , ִו , ֤ ٣ ִ ָ ֓ ָ ֛פ ֻ ֋, ֟ ִ ִ ׾ֳ֮֕ ־ã ָ֬ ָ օ ןֵ ָ֬ ָ ִ әָ , Ӿ әָ , Ӿ әָ ָ֬ ָ ֮ ִ֮ әָ , ן ָ֬ ָ ִ֮ әָ ִ֕ ֤ ֮ ֛ ׾֮֫ ֋, ֮ ֤ ןֳ ֋, ݵ֟ ֋, ִ֟ ֋ ָ ׮ִ י ִ֕ ֮ ִ֮ ״ֻ֟ , ֓և ֓ ־ã , ֟ ֯ ִ֮ օ ײֻ , ײֻ פ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ײֻ ã֮֯ , ֕ ֲꌙ ׯ֔ ׻֋ ֵ ֮, 㓔-344 ֲӬ 341 ֲ ֕ ן ָ ֱ׸ ֟ ן ד֟ ן ״ֻ ֋ ־ , ֲ ָָ ָ ׾ָ֓ ߅ ִ ֟ և ֟ և ֛פ , ָ ֮ ֵ ִ ןֵ ״ ֮ ֻ և ׾ֳו֟ ײָ, ֻ ןֵ ֮ Ϥ ד֟ ן ֮֕ן פ ֵ, ִ ִ 338 ־֮֬ ד֟ ֮֕ן ֵ , ֮ ֵ, ֟ ֵ, ָ ֵ, ֵ ֓ , 㓔-338 ֵ , օ ֱ׸ ֕ ָָ ߅ ֕ ָָ ֤ ָָ ֵ׮֟ , ָָ օ ײֻ ֱ ןֵ ִ֮֬ ִ֮֬ ֟ , ֱ ד֟ ן ֟ ׯ֔ , ׯ֔ ן Ϥ ד֟ ן ן ָ Ϥ ׯ֔ (2L ָ ֿ:)

-MCM-GS-TMV/2L/3.50

֮ ֻ ӛ (֟) : ֟ Ϥ ׯ֔ , ֟ ָ Ϥ ֟ ׮ ִ֮ י ֟ ׻֋ ׾֮֬ 㓔 ־ã և , ָ֬ ָ ֕ ֵ ֮֟ , ֵ ևԛייև ֟ ֟ , ֟ ׮֬Ը ׯ֔ ׻֟ , ׻֟ ֣ ֮֟֋ ֟ ֛פ ׮ֵ , ׯ֔ ? , ־֤ ־ã ֟ ָ ־ ֵ ? ֵ, ־ ֛ ֵ, סֵ ֵ, ־ ֟ , ׻֟ ׾֬ ״ֻ֮ , ֲ ָ֕ , ֟ ֵֻ, ֵ֮, ֟ ָ֬ ָ ִ ֬׸ ֻ֟ , ִ , ״ֻ֮ , ֟ ָ ֮֟ ־֤ ־ã ָ , ֡ ײ֛ ֵ, ־֟ , ֛֔ ӟ , ֲ ֡ ֵ, ־ֵ , ָ֯ , ֤ןֵ ִ ־ã ֳ ןֵ ׻֋ ִ֮ ֮ ϓ׻֟ ֮ ֵ֮, ־ã ֵ֮ ־ã ֮ ֮և, ֮և, ֕ ֟ , ׻֋ ָ ֟ ִֻ֮ և, ָ פ ִ ֤֮ ֮ , ִ ֱִ ֤ ֟ , ױ׾֙ ֤ ֟ , ֟ ֤֟ , ֟ ߔ ֲ Ù ֙ , ׿ִ ִָ Ӿ ֻ ֛ ָ ֵօ ָ ֟ ״ֻ ו ִ ֧ օ ֮֟ , ֕ ָ ֵ, , ֽ ֵ, ָ Ӥ ֻ ֋ ֤ ֟ , ֻ ֙ Ը ֋ ֟ , ֵ, ֽ ֵ, ֵ, ֮ ֤ , ֮ ֤ ֤ ֤ ִֻ֮ ָ ֟ ֧ , ׯ֔ ׾֬ ״ֻ֟ ִ ֤ , ֮ ִ ֤ ׻ֵ , ֟ ָ ߔ ָ ֲ , ִ ָ, ־ָ , ֻ ֵ, ֮֟ ָօ ָ ֲֻ֟ ָ ֟ ָ߅ ָ ָ ִֺ֟ , ָ , ־ , ֙ ֵ ָ , ִֻ֮ ֵ, ֟ ֤, ֲ , ֕ ֲ ׻֋ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ֟ ִֵָ , ו ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ֟ ־ָ ִ ֤ ׻ֵ , ִ ֤ ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ֻ ָ ֟ ֟ ? ֯ ִ ֲָָ , , ևԓָ , ֮֯ ִ֮ פ, ֮ ִ֮ ׻֋, ̟̕ ׻֋ ִ ֤ ׻ֵօ ֯ ֮ ִ ו֋ ִ ִ֮֟ և ֲ ָ ֯ ?..(־֮֬)..

֚ : ־ã ָ ָ ִ ײֻ ֱ ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ָ ֟ ֟ ו֋ ..(־֮֬).. ָ ָ ֓ , ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P. J. KURIEN): Please. (Interruptions)... Please. (Interruptions)...

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ֯ ֮֕ן ..(־֮֬)..

֮ ֻ ӛ : ֮֕ן ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You will get a chance. (Interruptions)...

֚ : ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ָ ָ ֟֓ߟ ..(־֮֬)..

֮ ֻ ӛ : ֟ , ֯ ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬: ֯ և ..(־֮֬).. ֯ և ..(־֮֬).. Please. (Interruptions)... I will give you a chance. (Interruptions)..

֚ : ֲ ׬ ֯ ֟-ִ ֮֕ן ..(־֮֬)..

֮ ֻ ӛ : ִ ׸֟Ԯ ..(־֮֬)..: ֯ ִ ֲָָ և ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You will get a chance. (Interruptions)... Then you can reply. (Interruptions).... ֯ ״ֻ, ֯ ִֵ ׸և ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ָ, ..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You will get a chance. Then you can reply. (Interruptions)... ֯ ״ֻօ ֯ և ..(־֮֬).. ֯ և ֯ և ״ֻօ ..(־֮֬)..

ߴ֟ ֵ : ӛ , ..(־֮֬)..

(2 ָ )

MP/VK/2M/3.55

֮ ֻ ӛ : ֵ , ֯ ֯ և , ֯ ֻ և ....(־֮֬)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIEN): You can reply when your chance comes. Mandalji, please address the Chair.

֮ ֻ ӛ : ׾ָ , ִ-׸֟Ԯ ־ֻ , ֟ ִֻ֮ ׻֟ ֋, և ׻֟ ֋, ָ ָ֕ ִ-׸֟Ԯ ָ ֟ ....(־֮֬)...

SHRI SHREEGOPAL VYAS: Sir, there is a personal reference to me. (Interruptions)

֚ : , ....(־֮֬)... ûִ ִ ֻ֟ ....(־֮֬)... ....(־֮֬)...

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ֯ ûִ ִ ֟ ....(־֮֬)...

THE VICE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Vyas, if you want. I will give you a chance. On your request, I have included your name. When you get a chance, you can reply. Let him finish. Be patient. Let him complete his speech. After that I will call you. You can reply to that later on. You will get a chance. Why do you create a problem?

֮ ֻ ӛ : ן ֮ ֛ ִ֮ , ֻ ֟ ִ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Mandal, please address the Chair. Don' try to provoke them.

֮ ֻ ӛ : , خ֤ ß׾ ֯ ִ֋ ִֻ֮ ֋ ִֻ֮ ֮ , և ֮ ֋, ָ , ׾֤ ֻ־ָ ֋, ָ օ ׻֋ ָ ֮֯ ܵ ִ֕ ִ֮ פ, ֮֯ ןš , ֲָָ ֕֕ ֻ֮ ָ ߅ ֟ ִ ֤ , ִ ִ֮֟ ֯ և ִ ֻ֟ ו֋ , , ִ֮֟ , ևԓָ ....(־֮֬)...

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ͅ

֮ ֻ ӛ : ֟ ֯ ? ׻֋ ׾ֵ ִ ׸֟Ԯ ָ ָ֕ , , ןָ , ִ ֤ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ֵ, ׻֟ և ֵ, ֯ ָ ד֟ ? ָ ֲֻ֟ ׾ֿ ָ ׾ֿ ָ ׻֋ -ֲָָ -ֲָָ , ׾ֿ ָ , ׻֋ ֯ ׾ָ ֲ ֌ ׻֟ , ָ ״ֻ , ׻֟ , ָ ״ֻ , פ ׻֟ ִֻ֮ ֵ, ׻֟ և ֵ, ָ ״ֻ? ָ ֯ ִ֣Ԯ ׻֋ , -߮ ֟ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮֮ ִ֮֬ 341 342 ָ ׻֋ ӿ֮ פ , ָ -

`"The President (may with respect to any State (or Union Territory) and where it is a State, after consultation with the Governor thereof...."

ֲ ־֮Ը ֻ֮ , ֲֻ֟ ֕ ָָ ֲ ן ׻֋ , ֳ ָָ ָ ׾ָ֓ ߅ ֲֻ֟ ֕ ׾ֵ ߓ ӿ֮ -

"Provided that the tribes or tribal communities or parts of or groups within tribes or tribal communities so specified by the President for a particular State or Union Territory shall have the same status..."

ױ , ׻֋ ֯ ӿ֮ , כ׌ , Ù ֲ ן ׻֋ , ֲ ָָ ָ ׾ָ֓ ױ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ־ֲ ߅ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ָ ֟ ִ ָ ִ ֕ ָָ ִִ ןֵ ָ , ןֵ ָӛ , ׾ֳו֟ ײָ ד֟ ן , ן ֻ ד֟ ן , ן ד֟ ן , ִ ד֟ ן ָָ ָ ׾ָ֓ (2 / ָ ֿ:)

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