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-KLS-SSS/3D/4.00

SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE (CONTD.): I remember categorically, I was the Mayor at that time, hon. V.P. Singh was the Prime Minister, I got a reply from the Central Government that the Government of India is moving in the same direction. As suggested by the municipal body, a body was formed. One of our officers was there. Our Minister knows very well about Calcutta. About 1/3rd of the properties of Calcutta belong to the Central Government. But the municipal corporations are not getting any property taxes. So, it was decided that our Constitution will be amended. So, whenever I get any opportunity I raise this point, as a man from the local body for many years there. Here also, I put the same questions. Why not the urban local bodies get the property tax issued? One point has been raised here that why the MLAs and MPs haven't the right to vote. I do not prescribe that because MPs and MLAs and representatives of local bodies are moving with their aims and objectives. They may be included, but the MPs and MLAs should not have the right to vote in the local bodies. That should be managed by the local public representatives. They should be made more answerable to the people. That is my suggestion. The last point is this: The Cantonments Bill is aimed at consolidating Cantonment Board mechanism and democratisation. In the Cantonment areas, many civilian institutions also operate and the Cantonment Boards and the Defence Ministry as an ultimate authority should remain sensitive to the needs of the civilian institutions and their activities. The Cantonment Boards are already playing that role, but still there are some grey areas. I cite an example. The Steel Authority of India Limited is having a stockyard at Pune which falls under the Dehu Road Cantonment area. Owing to high octroi duty charged by the Cantonment Board at two and a half per cent the consumption of steel materials from the said stock year in the Cantonment area got discontinued as price became uncompetitive. In response to the representation made by the local traders and SAIL Employees Union, led by Mr. Jibon Roy, our former Member of Parliament in the Rajya Sabha, Cantonment Board recommended a lower octroi duty on steel material at 0.2 per cent. But this happened three years ago. But still now, the lower octroi duty is not implemented, as the recommendation has not yet been approved by the Defence Ministry. The matter was brought to the notice of the Defence Minister about a year back by Mr. Jibon Roy, the former MP, but still the decision is hanging there. I would also like to request the Minister to look into this matter. With these few words, with an observation and a very serious observation on one point about the democratisation of the authority, about the superseding of the Board, I conclude my views. Thank you. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P. J. KURIEN): Thank you, Mr. Chatterjee. Now, Shrimati S. G. Indira. She is not there. Shri Mangani Lal Mandal. He is not there. Shrimati N. P. Durga. (Followed by 3e)

-SSS/NBR-PSV/3E/4.05.

SHRIMATI N.P. DURGA (ANDHRA PRADESH): Sir, thank you for having given me an opportunity to speak on this Bill. I welcome the Bill moved by Shri Pranab Mukherjee. The aim of the Bill is laudable. But, still there are some loopholes which need to be plugged. Otherwise, the situation of having democracy in the British-conceived cantonments, which also house civilians, would remain illusory, since there would not be any democratisation in real sense as has been envisaged in the Bill. As we know, there are 62 Cantonments in the country administered by the Cantonments Act. And, these Cantonments cover only 2 lakhs of the total 17.31 lakh hectares of Defence land. At the same time, there are 600 military stations, which neither come under the Cantonments nor under municipalities. Military stations differ from Cantonments in the sense that there is no resident civilian population at military stations, despite having a large resident population of armed forces personnel, their families and some commercial establishments. I would like to know as to what are problems that the Ministry have to bring them along with Cantonments under this legislation because, with the insertion of Part IX-A vide 73rd Amendment to the Constitution, these military stations could either be brought under cantonments or the respective State Governments so that they can take benefits of district planning, grants-in-aid, etc. I would also like to know whether the Government is planning to extend Seventh Schedule of the Constitution to military stations. Or, why cannot you insert a new Clause in the Bill to define military stations as a new category of cantonments? Otherwise, they are under executive instructions which do not have any statutory value.

The next point I wish to make is with regard to Clause 12 of the Bill. Under this Clause, you are constituting the Cantonment Boards and, of course, you have different categories of cantonments i.e., Category I to IV. But, if you look at the composition, it tilts towards bureaucratic character with military domination. The aim of the Bill is to have greater democracy and autonomy in the Cantonments. How can they exercise autonomy or how can there be democracy when you have only eight elected members, for example in Category-I, and 8 nominated members? When there is a tie, the ex-officio President casts his vote and the elected representatives have little say since their decision is over-ruled by the ex-officio President by casting his vote. Moreover, in the Bill, there is no provision to remove the President as has been done in the case of Vice-President. I wish to know from the Minister the reasons behind this discrimination. Then, Sir, cantonments are also represented by local MLA/MP. But, you have not made them members of the Board to cast their vote. After all, they represent cantonment and are also worried about its development. So, is it not prudent to make them members of the Board? I wish to know the reasons behind deleting them from the development process of the cantonment.

Now, Sir, I come to Clause 56 of the Bill which gives drastic over-riding powers to the President of the Board to suspend any resolution passed by the Board and refer the same to the General Officer Commanding-in-Chief. The role of the GOC-in-Chief is irrelevant in the context of the local-self-Government. This gives a clear indication that the cantonments are administered by military -- not as has been envisaged in the Bill -- by undemocratic means! So, the cantonments are de jure autonomous local self-governments but in real terms the local self-government is illusory.

As we all know, the moment you say cantonment, we will know that it is full of disputes. The people in cantonments are facing a lot of problems with regard to execution of Conveyance Deed, etc. It is because the documents start from 'Old Grant' to Lease to Licence. Due to this, a lot of legal complications arise. And, as a result, the civilians are not able to execute the Conveyance Deed. Since I come from Hyderabad, I am personally aware of this. Sir, Secunderabad is the largest cantonment in the country. One of the major demands of the people in this Cantonment is to merge this with the local municipality for better services like sanitation, drinking water, electricity, etc. Shri Chandrababu Naidu when he was the Chief Minister wrote a letter to the Ministry of Defence to merge all civil areas of Secunderabad Cantonment with the Municipal Corporation of Hyderabad as it was agreed by the Government to merge some of the other Cantonments with local municipalities. But, the Government decided that because of the security reasons this should not be merged with the MCH. If you merge this with MCH, the army can have a greater control on those pockets where you have stationed your troops. Sir, the other problem in this Cantonment is, the slum colonies in this Cantonment are denied from getting DFID funds. There are seven wards in this Cantonment. But, there is no reservation for women on the Board. The people are demanding for scrapping Octroi and Toll Tax. Hence, I implore upon the hon. Minister to kindly merge this Cantonment with the MCH.

Sir, Clause 27 deals with elections and preparation of electoral rolls of cantonments. Here, the Clause is silent that within a prescribed period the electoral rolls would be prepared. Hence, I request the hon. Minister to make it mandatory for revising the electoral rolls in every two years or whatever is appropriate.

Then, though it is not directly related to the Bill, I wish to take the liberty and would like to know from the hon. Minister as to what has happened to Nakra Committee's recommendation for dividing military stations into three categories -- first is purely military area, the second one is a buffer zone for purely commercial and service activity and thirdly a civil area.

So, with these words, I conclude my views on the Bill and request the Minister to respond to those when he replies to the debate. Thank you. (Ends) (FOLLOWED BY USY "3F")

3F/klg-usy/4.10

֮ ֻ ӛ (ײָ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ִ ײֻ ָ ִ ׾ßָ ֿ ֻ ֟ ־ פ, ִ ־ ֟ , ֟ , ֟ ֟ ײֻ ָ ִֵ ֵ օ ײֻ ׮ִ ֤׬׸ ָ ֟ ֲ ֟ ֮֟ ײֻ ֤ ֮ ӡ ßָ ָ ֟ , ִֵ ָ ס-׸֤ ֮ ִֵ ֲ ׾ֳߵ ӡ ס-׸֤ þן , ֲ ׾֬ ֤ ײֻ֠ 2003 ֵ , ֮ Ӳ ײֻ , ֯ ײֻ , ֛ߋ ָָ ֯ , ֮֯ ֕ ו֮ ӿ֮ , ӿ֮ , ִִ ӿ֮ ָ ִֵ ׾ָ֓ օ 1924 , ֲ ֤ ִ ӿ֮ ֮ , ֯ ־ ֕ , ִֵ ֯ ֮ , ֕ ֻ ֛ ׻ֵ ֟ ֟ օ ..(־֮֬)

, ײֻ Ù؛ ֵօ Ù؛ ֯ ָ ִ , ָ ׸ϕ֮ ֋, ָ ֟ և ֲ ֮ ן־ פ Ù؛ ֋ , ֛ ײֻ , ָ ָ֕ և , 139 ׾֬ , ָ ָ֕ և , ָ Ù؛ ֆ ִ ִ־ ֵ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֟ ֟ ִ , ֯ ӡ ֟ և ײֻ ֵ ׾֮֬ 74 ӿ֮ ֵ ã֮ߵ ׮ֵ ׻֋ ָ 43 ߕ֮ 2() , ָ֬ ָ ߴ ׮֯׻֙ , ִ ӡ , ֛ ֲָß ׾ֳָ ׾ֳָ , ִ ӟپָ ס þֺ ֻ ֯ ־֕ þֺ ֟ ֣ , ִ ָ , ֣ ֟ Ù؛ ֟ ָ ָ֕

, ֯ þֺ ֮֋ ߴ ׮֯׻֙ פ ֮֯, ֮֯ ֜ פ , ִ ֮֯ ֜ פ , ֮ܵ ָ֬ ָ ֮֯ ֯ ִ߮ 15 ָ , ִ ֻ և , ִ ֯ ㌟ ֋? ׬ ן , ㌟ ֋? ־֮֬ ֮֯ ׾֬ , ֯ ך ꌙ ״֮  ֮ , ׮Ե , ׮Ե ֤ פ ֋ ׻֋ ã֟ פ ֋ ױ ֋ ؛--߱, ӛ , ָ 56 ֵ , וִ ֵ - "If the President dissents from any decision of the Board which he considers prejudicial to the health, welfare, discipline or security of the Forces in a cantonment, he may for reasons to be recorded in a minutes, by order in writing direct the suspension of action thereon for any period, not exceeding one month, and if he does so shall forthwith refer the matter to the General Officer, Commanding-in-Chief, the command."

3/ ָ ..

AKA-VP/3G/4:15

֮ ֻ ӛ (֟) : , ־ã ӡ ֮֯ ׾֬ ָ , ָ ׮Ե 㻟־ פ ֋, ׮ֻ״֟ פ ֋, ߮ ׻֋ ã֟ פ ֋ ױ ֋, ؛ ߱ פ ӛ , ׮Ե , ןִ օ ׻֋ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׮־ ֯ ׮֯׻֙ ִ ֮ , ꮴ ׸ , ֮֯ ߴ ׮֯׻֙ , ִ פ , ׮Ե ׮Ե ֵԮֵ֮ ס ס ֱ ֮ , ס , ו ֵԮֵ֮ ִ ӿ֮ , , ִ֣Ԯ , ײֻ ִ֣Ԯ ׻֋ ֛ , ָ ׾ָ֓

ָ ֟ ֲ , ײֻ ־֮֬ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮־֤ 滛 Ù 滛 և ִ ׻֋ ִ ׾ֿ ־ã ָָ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׻֋ ֮־֤ , ֟ ֮֮ ו֮ ֤õ ִ ֯ ִ , ֮ߟ , ֡֟ , ׻ױ֮ , ֤֮ ßָ ֤õ ֯ ֮ߟ ? ִ ״ֻ , ָ֕ ֟ և ꅠ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮֮ ֲ ־ֲ ֟֋ ד֟ ן ו֮ ֤õ ִ ֋, ֮ߟ ֋, ֡֟ , ֤֮ ֤֮ ֣ ֡֟ ֣-֣ ִ ֤׬ָ , ״֮ , ֮ߟ ?

֟ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ꌿ֮ ֯ ꅠ ֤õ ָ ֮֮ߵ ִ ܵ , ֟ ִ֣Ԯ ֲ ֯ ֮ ֮֯ ֜ , ָև֮ ֮֯ , ֜ פ , ֤õ ܵ ֯ ֮֜ ׻֋ ֲ ֯ כև֮ ֮ , ӟ׸ ֵԮֵ֮ ָ ӟپָ ֯ þֺ פև , օ

֟ Ù؛ ꌿ֮ , ꌿ֮ ׻֋ ֻ ֤֟֟ ֮֋, ӳ־ ״֙ -"The Committee note that under clause 31 the Central Government have been authorised to make rules and regulations for elections. However, no authority has been mentioned which would initiate the process for holding elections to various cantonments as and when these are due. The Committee desires that the Ministry of Defence should designate one of its officers as Election Officer, who would initiate the election process and supervise the conduct of elections in a free and fair manner. The clause should be amended accordingly." Ù؛ Ù؛ ׸֮ , ײֻ և ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֯ , ָ , , ָ ֯ ֟֋ ֮ ־ֲ 녠 ײֻ , ײֻ ׾֓׸ 1924 ֤ ־ã , 62 ꮴ ֯ , ִ߮ ־֕ ׾ֵֻ֪ ֮ , ïֻ֟ ֮ , ִ , ֲ ִ ו֮֟ Ͽ ֋ ׻֋ ֯ ֤֬

֟ , ָ ָ ׯ׾ֻ ֮֯ ߓߓ ֛ ֟ , ֻ ײֻ ֻ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ ™ օ ֮֯ ߓߓ ֛ ֟ ֛ ꮴ ('3h/sch' ָ ָ)

PK/SCH/3H/4.20

֮ ֻ ӛ (֟): ֟ߕ ֛ ïߛ ӓ ߙ ױ ָ ׸ , ָ ־ ָ ֟ ߴָ , ֻ֟ ֲָ , ָ , פ ֛ ӓ ߙ ֤ ָ ֻ, ״׻֙ ױ , ߅

ָ, ִ ֟ ִ ־ã , ָ , ֮ ֲ ֻ߅ ֯ ֻ פ ӳ־ ָ ֯ ״׮Ù , ֵ֤ ֋֋ , ֯ ֟ פ և ָ פ ֮־ ֮־ ו֋ פ ӳ־ ֛ ֯ ִ ׸ ׮ֻ ו֋ ָ ׬ ָ֮ ָ֮, ָ, ִָ ֙ ׿ִ ײָ ֮ ׻֋, ֲ֤ ӓ ָӛ ֮ ׻֋ ֡ ß ׻֋, ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֯ ֛ ֮֯ ִ , ֛ ֮ ׻֋ ן ߴ ׮֬׸ ֟ , ָ ָ֮ , ׻֋ ִ֮֬ ׮ֻ ֮ ֯ ָ ֯ ״׮Ù Ù ־֮Դ ֟ ß ׮ֻ ו֋, ײָ ֮֟ ֯ ֳָ ֮߅ ֟ ֣ ײֻ ִ֣Ԯ ײֻ ֮ ׻֋ ֯ ֮־֤

(ִ֯)

SHRIMATI S.G. INDIRA (TAMIL NADU): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, there are so many welcoming aspects in this Bill, but there are some flaws also. My first suggestion is that it has the status of the deemed municipality and it is getting the benefit of that. As for the municipality, there is no reservation for women, the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes here. This is my first point that I would like to make.

I am coming to the second point. Sir, in consideration of all these aspects, the Cantonment Act, 1924 was initially brought in. It was not self-sufficient and further steps had to be taken. At that time, the Cantonment Account Code, 1924, the Cantonment Fund Servants' Rule, 1925, the Cantonment Property Rules, 1925; the Cantonment Land Administration Rules, 1925 laws were brought in, but they were not sufficient. There is excess of land in the cantonment and without proper administration many lands have been leased out. So, there is no regular law even though we had four laws. So, I think, in order to regularise this, this Bill has been brought forward. This is not uniform all over India. The Cantonment Department was created under the Ministry of Defence. Earlier, the Cantonment officers were called Military Estate Officers, and now they are called Defence Estates Offices. Even now, coordination among the various wings of the administration, self-governance, matters of financial arrangement, management of lands are not properly regulated. The core issue in the old matter is that the democratic manner in the governance is lacking. Almost 17 lakhs acres of land is under cantonment, without proper administration. There is no uniform management of these properties. To eradicate the present problem, this Bill has been brought in, I think, Sir. (Contd. by 3J/PB)

PB/3J/4.25

SHRIMATI S.G. INDIRA (CONTD.): However, Sir, I would like to point out that in Chapter III, it is said that the Cantonment Boards are created with four category of cantonments, and according to the classification of cantonments, the Board is constituted. In all the four categories, i.e., Category I, Category II, Category III and Category IV, the number of elected as well as Nominated Members is equal. It is mentioned that the Members of Parliament and the MLAs are Special Invitees to attend the meeting of that Board, but they are not having the power to vote. I also want to mention that here simply 'the Member of Parliament' is mentioned. It is not specifically mentioned, it is not clearly mentioned whether that Member of Parliament will be from the Lok Sabha or the Rajya Sabha. Suppose, the Lok Sabha is dissolved. In that case, there will not be a representative of Parliament from a particular area, though that area has a Member of Parliament from the Upper House. Every Member of the Upper House is having his own nodal district. So, it should be clearly mentioned here that 'Member of Parliament' means 'Members of Parliament both from the Upper and Lower House'. Sir, I request that this has to be changed. There is also no clear view with respect to clause 12(9).

Sir, under Section 319 Schedule IV, various offences are enumerated wherein the power is given to the Police official to arrest a person committing breach of any of the provisions of this Act, which are specified in Schedule IV, without warrant. But the offences mentioned in the Schedule are: begging, beating drums, singing, etc. It was mentioned that they could be arrested without issuing any warrant.

I would also like to mention that offences under Section 183 (1) and 304 (a) are highly arbitrary and look very inhuman. Both relate to the same thing. A civilian can go not only to the military hospital, but he can also go to any hospital as per his wish. However, according to Section 183(1), he is compelled to go to that particular hospital. Otherwise, he would be arrested without any warrant. So, it should be cleared and it should be amended.

Sir, the Standing Committee in its recommendations had said that issues like greater democratisation, better financial management and Centrally-sponsored schemes in the cantonment have not been taken into consideration. The Committee has also expressed its apprehension on the wide powers given to the CEO, and the worst part of it is that there is no appellate authority against the decision of the CEO. There is no provision of appeal against the decision of the CEO. Sir, the purpose of this Bill is to create democracy. But, Sir, when one sees this part of the Bill, one finds it autocratic, because as per this provision, the CEO can decide on his own, and there is no provision of appellate authority. So, I think, there should be a provision of the appellate authority against the decision of the CEO to have a fair decision. Sir, I have already mentioned that the Bill is brought for greater democratisation of the Cantonment Board. There is no provision of appeal against the autocratic order of the CEO. Sir, I am stressing upon this point again. It may be looked into.

Another irony of the Bill is clause 108 which says that the Cantonment Board is a Deemed Municipality. This is a point which I made at the initial stages of my observation that the Cantonment Board is a Deemed Municipality. However, there is no provision of reservation of seats in the Cantonment Board for the women, the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes. It should be taken care of. Though the Committee has recommended for that, the Bill has been brought here without any change or amendment. So, it should be considered and the aspect of reservation for women, Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes should be included in the Bill.

Sir, we are at a stage when we are following the norms of Panchayat Raj. Now, if you call the municipality a democracy, then we should have provision for the reservation of seats for women and Scheduled Castes or the Scheduled Tribes. So, it should be considered.

Sir, the another point is, the elected members and the nominated members sit together and take a decision with regard to a particular matter. But if the elected Members wish, the final decision taken with regard to a particular matter, can be changed at any time. It is a very big flaw in this Bill. (Contd. by 3k/SKC)

3k/4.30/skc-gs

SHRIMATI S.G. INDIRA (CONTD.): They sit together and take the decision, but ultimately, even though the nominated members are part of the decision-making process, the full Board may be changed at any time. The nominated members have such powers. So, these types of flaws should be rectified and it should come in full form. I would like to particularly stress upon the point that there should be reservation for women and SCs and STs.

Thank you, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. (Ends)

SHRI SHYAM BENEGAL (NOMINATED): Sir, I have a very short intervention to make. In the substitution given by the hon. Defence Minister in Clause 64, there is a sentence that reads, 'conservation and maintenance of ancient and historical monuments, archaeological remains and places of public importance in the cantonments'. I feel that heritage sites should also be mentioned here, for the simple reason that there are many places. For instance, the Ahmednagar Fort Jail, which is actually a barrack, was a jail in the 1940s where our national leaders were incarcerated. There are several such places in various cantonments of India.

There is also another place where 'conservation' has been defined. And this conservation has been defined for purposes of Clause 17. I think, it should apply in every place where conservation is mentioned as far as Bill is concerned.

I don't think I have anything more to say because I feel otherwise it is an excellent Bill. Thank you very much. (Ends)

Ӥ 껻 (֮ Ϥ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ִ ײֻ ӿ֮ ֵ , ֵ֤ ß ֵ֤ ִ֟ ׯ֔ 9 ֻ ִ Ӥ ־ , ָ Ӥ 64 ִ ִ "" ִ, "" ִ "" ִ ߮ և ִ , ָ ִ

ָ, ִ ӓ ָ ֳ ֤õ ֵ֟ 괲ָ ִ ִ ֕ ִ ָ , ױָ , ײכָ , ׾׻ֵ֮ ִֻ ָ֮ ִ֟ ָ׻, ָ֮ ֯ Ù , ָ և ָ ִ ־ ָ ֲ֤ ִ ײכָ Ù , ׸ֵָ ֯ , ִֵ פ֓ï ׾׻ֵ֮ ׾ ״׮֙ߕ ֵ ֲ ߴ֟ פ Ӭ և ״׮Ù , ֌ ... כ ״׮Ù , ֌ ִ ֻ ־ ִֵ ֕ ֳ 0ߕ ֳ 0ߕ ״ֻ ׸ϕ֮ פ ִ ӓֵ֟ , ׮ֻ֯ ָ֮ ֵֻ ӓ ֻ ֵ, ֳ ֵֻ ӓ ֻ ֤ ֵֻ 2 ֻ , 3 ֻ ֜ 5 ֻ פ ֵօ (3 ָ ָ)

SC/4.35/3L

Ӥ 껻 (֟) : ָ ִ ִֻ֯ ׻֋ ̴֮ օ ֱ ׸ָ ׻֋, ־ֵ ָ օ ֲ .. ָ ־, when he was the Prime Minister, ׻֕Ԯ ־ ֯ Ӭ Ϥ , ֌ ֮ ׸Ù ߅ ָ ؛ ֙ ִ ߅ ִֻ֯ ׻֋ ׾̮֕ օ ̴֮ پ ٕ֕ , ֲ֤ ִ ֯ , ־֮Դ כ ֮ , ִ֟ ֱ ָ ־ ֯ߋ ֱ ֵ֤ օ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֲ֤ Ӥ ִ ָֿ߮ , ֯ ו׮ֵظ , ֯ ֈ خ , ߌי ױ , ִִ , ־֮ ֮ ֮ ֮ ִ Ӥ ײػ ֮֮ ֯ ׬ָ ֯ ־֟ ֯ ӡ ֵ֟ ָ ֣ ֟ և ߔ ֕ ֳ ָ .־ ־ ֣ ֟ և ָև ïꌿ֮ ֯ ָ ׸, ֯ ײכָ ׻֋ ֮ ֙ - ֆև Ù֮ ֲ ? ֯ ִִ ־֕ ִ֟ ߴ ׿ֵ֟ , ײֻ ׿ֵ֟ օ ָָ , Ù ׿ֵֻ Ù ָ օ ֻ ӡֵֻ ? ֻ ָ ֙ ֮, Ù և 㴲և, 㴲և ָ ִ֟ ָ ױ׿ֵֻ , ֻ ִ ֻ֟ ֚ ָ ֳ ֛ ӓ ָ ֳ օ ׸ ֣ ֲ ָ, ֮ ֯ כ֙ ? What is the purpose? ׻֋ ? ֮ ֕ , ֻ - ָֻ ָ ִ , ָֻ Ӭ ïֻ֟ ߙ כ֙ ָ ׸ָ ָ ֮ ׻֋ ֱ פ ֮ Ӭ Ϥ ָָ ָ ׸Ù , Ù֮ ׻֋ ֯ , և , Ӭ Ϥ ָָ ֮֮ , ָ ׸֯ כ ֤ , ָ ָ, ֟ ӡ , ֯ ׮ֵָ ӡ , ֯ ߕ ָ֮ ֯ ֤ , ֯ ߕ ָ֮ ִִ ״ֵ ָ ָ, ִ Ӥ, ֳ ָ ֟ , ױ׿ֵ ָ ֲ ִֵ כ ״׮Ù , ֌ ֮߯ ߅ ֯ ֋ ֋֋ ױ׿ֵ ָ ֋, ֯ߕ ֋, ֮ ֻ ֯ ָ ֮ , ֿ ֤ ֵ , 9 ֻ ִ , ӡ, ֲ ֕ ֲ֤ ִ ָ ֲָ ֵ ־ ֱ ־ , ֲ֤ ִ , ־ , ׻֋ כ ֛ օ ָ ״֮ ֤, ֻ֟ ֋ - , ָ ԅ ִ ֱ ֻ ֤ ֵָ ־ 64 ִ ִ, ֲ֤ ִ ־ ֲָ ֮ ֜ ӡ , ־ , ָ ׻ , ָ ߕ ֮߯ ֤, ֤, 6 ߮ ֤ ױ ֲ֤ ִ ־ , ֯ ױ֮ ִִ ߕ ִ ׸ ֮֋ , ? ־֮Դ ֙ ֆ, ֤ ֟ ֮

(3 ָ ֿ:)

ASC-GSP/4.40/3M

Ӥ 껻 (֟) : ֮ ֟ ִ֟Ӥ ױ ? , ֕ ֯ ֋ ֯ ִ ֙ ׸ ִ ׻֋ ָ, ֯ ֳ ֮ ϓָ , ו֮֟ ֯ ִ ׻֋ , ֲ ? ִ ָ ؙ ״ֻ֟ , ױ ֯ ־ ֛ ? ֟ ֳ ִ֟ Ӥ ֟ , What is the cantonment election? 6 ֻ ִ ֮ ֛ ֲ ֮֟ , ӡ ֟ , ו֮ ߛֻ ֮ ֛օ ֟ , וִ֮ ֯ ָ ֯ ֙ , ֯ ֕ ֯ ִ Ӥ ־ ִ և ָ - ִ ֛ ִָ- 4 18 Ù 20 ֤ ִ ֛ Ӥ - ֤ ֵ ֓ ִ ֙ Ӡ 7 ֛ ֲ ֳ , پ ٕ֕ פ֋ ָ ֮ ֟ , ׻֕Ԯ, Ù ״׮Ù ָ ׾ו֙ և ߅ ֯ ײכָ ױ ױ ߅ ִ ֱ פ ֋ , ־ , ߔ ָ ֛ ֟ ִ ? ֯ ֻ ֲ֤ ״֮י ָ , ֻ ֵ ִ כױ֙ߕ և ָ , ֲ֕ ־ ֛ 6 ָ ػ , ӡ ׸ ָ Ӥ, ִ׸֟ Ӥ, , ֻ , , כ׾֕ㆻ ׻֋ Ӥ Ù ֯ , ֯ , ֯ Ù , ָ ֯ ßֻ ֟ ִ , ָ ֟ ֟ ֻ֟ ֕ , ׻֋ ֯ ֣Ԯ ׸ ֵ֤ ß ֵ֤ , ֮ ֤ ֲ֤ ־ ? ֲָ ֵ ֻ , ֯ ֮ ֲ֤ ִ ָ ߕ , ׸ ןִָֻ , ֲ ߻ ׸ ֯ ֙ ߲ ָ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ߴ֟ ֻ ִ֮ ߱ ״׮Ù ׻ , ֵ, ϯֻ ֻ , ӕֲ Ӥ -߮ ִ ׮֯׻ -ָ ֵօ ؛ . ָ ־ ו ֌ ״׮Ù ֲ ֯ , ֌ , ֌ ָָ , , ꮮ ִ֮ ִִ ֟ , ߴ֮ օ ֯ ִ֬ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׸Ù ָ ֻ ֋, ֤ ֆ ֛ , ו֋ ֮ , ֮ ִ֯

(ִ֯)

ֵָ߮ ִ (֬ Ϥ) : ֳ֬ , ֯ ֮־֤ ֮֯ ֮ ָ פօ , ײֻ 2003 ӡ ԛߕ ٻִֵ օ ָ Ӭ ִֵ ײֻ ״ֵ ? (3N/NB ָ ֿ:)

-ASC/NB/3N/4.45

ֵָ߮ ִ (֟) : ֮֯ סֵ ָ Ù ׻֋ ִֵ ״ֻ֟օ ֲ ָ ־ã ֻ , ־ã ӟԟ, ٻִֵ ִ֮ ׾ֵ ֟ , ִ ׾ֵ פ ֟ , ֛ ָ ֟ ָ֬ ָ ٻִֵ ׾ֵ ״ֻ ֟ ݵ ׾ֵ ָ Ù؛ ֮, ֮ 10 և, 2005 ֮ ׸ ߅ ֲ ׸ և, ָ֬ ָ ӡ Ծ Ù؛ - ֱ׸ ײֻ , ָ ִֵ ֯ ָ ֟, ׮׿֟ ֕ ֯ , Ù؛ ־ ִ ״ֻ ֟

ֳ֬ , ׮־ פ ֯ ײֻ ֯ ִ ו֮֟ ״ֵ , ָ ָ ײֻ ֋, ִ ׬ ִֵ , ָ ױ ֯ ִ ֮ ֛, ֯ þֵ

ֳ֬ , 1924 ־֮ ײֻ , ׸߻ ֵ ײֻ ֯ ã֮ ָ ׯ֔ 7 ֻ ־ ָ 62 ־׮ֵ , ־ 7 ֻ ־ ֻ , ִ Ӥ ײֻ ֟ և ִ ָ ӡ ־ã , .., .. ֆ ׻֋ ָ ־ã ָ ׾֢ ϲӬ , ־ã ׾ ״ ϲӬ ָ - ֮֯ ֮ ײֻ ֟֋ , ָ ִ ִ ״ֵ , ״ֵ ׮֟ӟ ־ֿ ׾֢ߵ ׬ָ ß־ ָ ׸ , null and void ָ օ ӡ ֮ ֛ ֻ֟ ִ , ָ ד֟ ָ ײֻ ־ã ־ , ״֮֮ , ֛ ֲָ ־ã ׮׿֟ ִ ׸֟Ԯ ִ ֮֯ן׮׬ֵ ֟ ׮׿֟ ָ ֮֯ן׮׬ֵ ֟ , ִ ס ָ ִ

ֳ֬ , 117 ״ ׾ֳ ׻֋ , ִ ֻ 15 ִ߮ , Ӥ , ִ߮ כ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֵ֟ ָ encroachments ֵ פ ֮ , ß ׮׿֟ ײֻ , 365 ָֆ ֜ ֛ ך ִ ֛ ׿ - ә , ֤ ִֵ ֵ, ֯ ֵ֤ ֋ , ֮֯ ֵ֤ Ù؛ ׸ , ײֻ ֵ, ֮֯ פ ִ ֕ ״ֵ ״ֵ ׻֋ ־ פ ֯ ײֻ withdraw , ױ ֋, ֵ֤ օ

ֳ֬ , Ù؛ ־ פ , ײֻ ״ֻ , ױ ײֻ ֵ ֋ ֲ ֣, ׮־ ײֻ ָ پָ֓ - ֮־֤

(ִ֯) 3O/YSR ָ

-SK/YSR-AKG/4.50/3O

߸ י (ָ Ϥ) : ֳ֬ , 2003 ײֻ 2006 3 ֤ כ ָߵ ϵ , ־֕ ֌ֆ ֟ , ִ ӿ֮ ־ֿ

ֲ ֟ ֲ ֟ ֤ ׾ֳ֮֬ֆ ֆ ן׮׬֟ ״ֻ֮ , ׮ ײֻ ֆ ן׮׬֟ ׻֋ ־ã և ־ ֆ ן׮׬֟ ׻֋ ָ ־ã

ָ ֟ ִ ֮֟ӡ ֟ ֮֟ӡ ׻֋ ֮ ײֻ ֵ , ו ס ־ã , ֮֟ ָ ֚ , ֲ ꌿ֮ ָ ֻ, ֻ ׮־ד֟ ֤õ ׬ ִ ֤ ֤õ ܵ ִ֟ ֤ ֤õ ܵ ׬ ׮־ד֟ ֤õ ܵ ָ ־

( ֳ֯ן ߚ߮ )

ָ ֟ ֵ ֤ ֤õ ֟ ׬ָ פ ֵ ִ Ͽ ֵ օ ִ֟ ֤ ֤õ ֟ ׬ָ ־ã ײֻ

֯ ֟ ֵ ֿ Ͼֻ և ׸ ִע , ׮ , ָ Ù , ו֮ ߕ ָ ִ ִע և , ָ Ù , ִ ־ã , ו ֮ ӿֵ ־֮

ִ֟ 3 ֤ ײֻ , ֪ׯ ϵ ֵ ִ֣Ԯ , ֮ ֙ ִ֣Ԯ , 3-4 ֟ և , ֤õ ־ ֋ , ִ֣Ԯ ־ ִ ׮ ׻ֵ ֋ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE: Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, first of all, I would like to express my gratitude to all the hon. Members who participated in the debate and made their valuable contribution on the various provisions of the Bill. While initiating the discussion, Sushmaji elaborately developed certain points, most of those points I will cover in the course of my reply. But before that, I would like to remove one misconception which I think some hon. Members might have. It is not just creation of a municipality. That is why you have used the words 'deemed municipality.' If it were a municipality, or if it were any other local body, perhaps there would not have been any need of bringing this Bill. Cantonment in the Act of 1924, when the Act was printed, it was very beautifully put -- I do not know whose idea it was -- that dictionary meaning of 'cantonment' is the 'temporary quarters of the troops.' Later on, those temporary quarters of the troops became permanent quarters of the troops. The first cantonment was created in 1758 in Barrackpore, in Bengal. Second cantonment, which hon. Member Mr. Mangani told, was in Danapur, which was created in 1768.

(Contd. by VKK/3P)


-YSR/VKK/3p/4.55

SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE (CONTD.): And you take your mind to about 200 or 300 years ago, veering round this cantonment, urbanisation took place, and it was thought, in cantonment which was basically meant for the civic amenities of the troops who were stationed there, certain civic amenities are to be provided so that their health conditions, habitat conditions, remain perfect so that they are in a fit position, in a fighting position. But as it happened in course of development of civilisation, growth of civilisation, veering round this cantonment, some sort of urbanisation took place; and people found that there are better civic amenities in the cantonment area. Therefore, many people who did not have anything to do with military also started living there. You go back to the history and there are the problems which quite a number of hon. Members have referred to like lease right, grants, etc. I am also flooded with a series of representations and letters from the MPs. Two hundred years ago, 150 years ago, 90 years ago, there were various ways of transfers. So, it was thought necessary and out of the 62 cantonments, only six cantonments were established after Independence. 56 cantonments were established before the Independence, during the British days. It was thought whether we can provide better civic amenities to these cantonments and while providing better civic amenities, whether there should be military representation of the elected component. If the idea was to convert each cantonment into municipality, then, there was no need. Cantonment is basically meant for the location of the troops. Therefore, the predominance of the military interest is to be there. It is not my intention to create another local self-body. Enough municipalities are there. With urbanisation, there would be more; the trend of industrial development is more and more urbanisation and the problems are also coming. Even I received some recommendations that as the township grew, development took place veering round the cantonment; land prices of the cantonment are also very high. So, some suggestions are coming to me that you locate your cantonment outside the busy areas of the city so that these could be utilised more effectively commercially because the land prices are very high. But equally, I should have my problems because I am to locate such a huge number of Armed Forces in different cantonments. It is not simply possible. But, to provide the civil amenities, we have thought that certain measures are to be taken. But, if you consider that it is a handicap, if you consider that it is a deficiency, most respectfully, I will submit that this deficiency, this handicap, is inherent in the system because it will have to be under the command and under the control of the Station Officer. There is no other way. But within that, what type of arrangements we can make, we thought of. It is not correct to say that I have ignored the recommendations of the Standing Committee. Some hon. Member criticised that I have not even studied it. The Members have the privilege of coming to that type of conclusion, but those who know me will know that I am not new in this job. From 1970s, I am in the Government and the first lesson that one of my officers, a civil servant, taught me that if you want to learn something, read the file from the noting of, at least, the Deputy Secretary, if not, the Under Secretary.

(Contd. by RSS/3q)

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