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SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (WEST BENGAL): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, while supporting the Bill, at the outset, I would like to offer my sincere thanks to the Minister for incorporating some vital important changes pertaining to labour and inclusion of the tiny sector in the original Bill, as it was introduced, before it has been passed by Lok Sabha. The original Bill contained certain problematic anti-labour clauses. We are thankful that those have been dropped at our request. Sir, I would like to draw the pointed attention of the House, through you, Sir, to this Bill that micro and small-scale sector deserves preference, patronage and protection as the Minister has just now explained. Since it is the sector whose contribution to the employment generating growth and better distributive impact in the society is, or, in other words, 'aam aadami-oriented growth' is much more as compared to the virtually jobless or job loss pattern of exercise carried on in the large-scale sector. But still our agony was that in all these economic policy prescriptions, the small-scale got a raw deal whereas concessions are mainly showered on the large-scale sector. Sir, the Bill seeks to facilitate, to address some of these issues. The Bill seeks to facilitate promotion, development, and enhancement of competitiveness for the micro, small and medium enterprises as enumerated in clause 9 (1) of the Bill. But what is the situation that I found here in that, Sir? The reality is that despite small-scale sector is growing consistently in production, employment generation and growth, but the fact remains again that it is this sector which is the victim of the worst kind of industrial sickness in the country. We do not have that data. We immediately give data of what is the extent of sickness in large-scale units or registered units. But we do not have even data on that. The fact remains and many studies have shown that that there are half a million closed and sick units in the country and the majority of them are in the small-scale sector and the medium sector. That was because of the discriminatory policy that they face and because of, I quote, "credit, infrastructural facilities, technological lags and marketing constraints." These are the areas, which have been identified by the current Economic Survey-2005-06 itself. These are the constraints before the small-scale sector. Now we are saying that the Bill is aiming at that these are to be made competitive and these are to be strengthened. (Contd by 2K)


SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (CONTD.): But, unfortunately, the actions are being taken just in the opposite direction. Will the Bill consider in reversing those anti-SSI actions? The de-reservation for items are going on since 1997. Already 500 odd items have been de-reserved from the reserved list for the small scale sector. Therefore, the concept of de-reservation was introduced possibly during the Third Plan period which has shown a tremendous growth of small and medium scale industries in the country and which have contributed a lot to the country's development. But these are being de-reserved consistently from 1997, despite opposition. Already 500 have been de-reserved. This de-reservation, you know, is the consequence of the pro-active initiatives of the Government to offer pleasantaries to the WTO ideologies. But, at the same time, that is being sought to be camouflaged by the so-called theory that this de-reservation will help the SSIs to grow. Sir, actually what is happening? Because of de-reservation in the small scale, medium scale units operating in the de-reserved segments, they lost their capacity to bargain, negotiate terms with the large scale sector, multi-national corporations and big traders in the areas which they normally supply and service as ancillaries or as a vendor. They are losing their capacity to negotiate terms with them and delayed payment is one of the problems that have been identified in the Bill. This is also one of the major reasons. After de-reservation, everybody can enter into that sector. Large-scale sectors are entering into those sectors in proxy, under the garb of a small-scale sector and negotiating with other small-scale industries the terms of supply in the price. They give them a depressed price. They have just no other go. Many of the small-scale units are being compelled to make a distress sale on their product. Just on a barely no-profit, no loss level and that way many are facing unviability and that is precisely the reason for so much sickness in that sector, despite that also they are contributing in terms of production, in terms of employment generation etc. So, in order to make, at least, the objective enumerated in Section 9(1) of the Bill meaningful, make the intention materialise on the ground that de-reservation has to be withdrawn, the items already de-reserved have to be restored in the reserved list, and there must be a complete moratorium of further de-reservation. I request the Minister to give an assurance in the House. Secondly, Sir, I seek to draw your attention that Section 11 of the Bill has mentioned about the policy of preference in respect of procurement of goods and services produced by small scale sector or medium scale or micro sector for the Central Government departments, Ministries and PSUs. Again, Sir, saying this is, is not enough. What will be the modality of that preference policy, that instrument? That is required to be statutorily defined. Otherwise, that will be misinterpreted in wisdom and a manner, sometimes citing WTO conditionalities, sometimes citing many other rules or markets which are offering all these things. So, it requires to be statutorily defined. What are the modalities of preference, the price preference, purchase preference, the small scale and medium scale sectors? Industries are required to be allowed a higher price compared to the large-scale competitor and an assured order book, definitely, subject to fulfilment of the quality specification. This is required to be statutorily defined. Sir, there is room for apprehension. You have seen. It is not that this concept of price or purchase preference is new in the Indian economy. It was there. We have seen how the Government one after another, successive Governments -- I do not mention a particular Government, -- had dismantled, done away with that system of price preference and purchase preference in respect of some of the public sector units, particularly, in the intermediate and capital goods sector which were established originally only to supply the basic infrastructural sector in the Government, in the Central Government, in the State Government. (CONTD. BY NBR/2L)


SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (CONTD.): But, in the name of indulging in competition, in the name of encouraging competition, those policies are being done away with one-by-one by pushing those industries, PSUs, which are originally dedicated to supply to a particular sector. They cannot go to the market. They don't produce consumer goods. So, they have been pushed towards sickness and some towards closure. When you talk about preference policy, it must be defined statutorily. If it goes by an executive order, it will distained to fall in line and the whole purpose, the whole objective can never be materialised unless that is statutorily be defined. It cannot be left to the executive decision.

The third point is this. Also, the same preference policy is required to be standard in the matter of infrastructure support. The infrastructure support was talked about in the Bill, like electricity. There are any numbers of examples. Big industries, big corporate houses go scot-free without paying electricity bill for three years. And, subsequently, the interest involved is waived of. But, for Small-Scale Sector, even if it is seven days lapse, your line is cut. So, it is required to have preference policy for infrastructure support, for electricity, for water and also in the area of taxation. They need a concessional rate on excise duty on the product they produce, on the Value Added Tax, on the product and services the small, medium and micro-scale sectors provide. There may be some loss to the revenue. That loss is worth incurring. In the sense, in return, they generate more employment. They will ensure a horizontally inclusive growth pattern in the industrial economy and not the jobless growth at all. Sir, jobless growth results in high-profit to a few, nothing to the people. This Government, in its NCMP, have committed for an aam admi-oriented growth. And, for that, this concession, again, be made as a statutory provision. Otherwise, mere giving statements will not bring any result. Again and again, the history of our experience says that if you leave it to the executive order that becomes a subject of misinterpretation and mishandling.

Sir, the fourth point I would like to point out is the most crucial one. It is the matter of credit. Clause 10 of the Bill provides about the progressive credit facilities to the SSI sector. Again, that is required to be defined statutorily. The concerned Clause in the Bill says guidelines or instructions being issued from time to time by the Reserve Bank of India regarding the flow of credit to the SSI for progress. But, what is the result of guidelines, instructions issued by the Reserve Bank of India in getting the credit to the SSI sector? What is the result? Many may claim that priority sector lending has increased by absolute number. But the fact remains -- this is not only my personal observation but it is the observation made by the RBI -- that those guidelines could bring no relief at all. Not only that, that has created an unjust and unfair structure. The large-scale sector is now enjoying cheaper credit at the cost of the SSI sector. This is the picture that has emerged in the entire period. You go through the observations/analyses made by the RBI on the 'Trends and Processes of Banking.' If that observation is analysed, this will become clear that a permanent pattern has developed in the whole of the credit market that the bigger players are enjoying a cheaper credit, whereas the SSI sector, agriculture, weaker sections of the society are getting a raw deal in the form of costlier credit and with so many conditions. Even in our banking system, the Basal Norm has been introduced in the name of best banking practice by Washington consensus...(time-bell)...Sir, I am going to finish. That Basal Norm required that the Small-Scale sector also be rated by an accredited credit agency to enable it to get loan. (CONTD. BY VP "2M")


SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (CONTD.): Normally, those credit agencies treat the large-scale sector and the small-scale sector at par. As a result, it is very clear, as we are saying, that the cheaper credit goes to the big players and the small companies are suffering. Sir, I would like to quote in this regard a RBI study published in the RBI Bulletin, October, 2003 where 76 companies, -- 1267 companies have been non-financial private sector companies have been looked into --- whose paid-up- capital is less than Rs. One crore, have found their interest burden increased by 1.3 per cent in a span of one year. Whereas in the same one year span, the companies having a paid-up-capital of Rs. 25 crore and above have got a relief in their interest burden by 13.1 per cent. For the small companies, the burden has increased by 1.3 per cent, but for the big companies, and that too a big number, they got 13.1 per cent benefit in terms of their interest burden. What does it signify?

I again quote from the same RBI Report on Trend and Progress of Banking 2004-05, "The public sector banks failed to achieve the various sub-targets under priority sector lending, that is, sub-targets for agriculture, tiny sector and small scale sector, advances to weaker sections and targets for differential rate of interest scheme. The performance of private sector banks remained even less satisfactory with 12 out of 30 private sector banks failing to achieve the target." In this background, please also note the observation made by the same RBI Report, that the sub-PLR rate of lending, that is, lending below the rate of prime lending rate decided, that the share of sub-PLR lending in the total commercial credit has increased more than 50 - 60 per cent in one year span again. If we put this along with just the previous survey of the same RBI Report on different companies, the interest burden increase and increase burden reduction, if we put these two Reports together, it is clear that below the lending rate, the entire benefit has been cornered totally by the large scale sector and the burden of that has fallen on the small scale sector. So, Sir, the progressive credit facility should not allow this kind of injustice. That is why, that is to be clearly, statutorily defined in this form. If it is progressive, it has to be a concessional rate of interest, and an assured credit flow for the micro, small and medium scale sector. It has to be statutorily defined. And, at the same time, Sir, I suggest on the basis of practical suggestions of the small scale sector people, that again you just cannot bracket the tiny, that is, micro, small and medium together and tackle their credit requirements. You have to deal it separately because each of these sectors are having different problems and different predicaments. They are to be treated separately and, accordingly, that preference has to be put in action, just not by statement in the Bill. Otherwise, if these are not done, these statements will merely remain a pious hope.

The last point is this. Nobody knows, I again repeat what is the economic status of the thousands, lakhs of small-scale units in the country. We need an agency. We have the BIFR for the organised sector. At least, we can say how many industries are sick, how many industries are sound and what is the status of revival. We feel that for the micro, small and medium sector some such agency is required to be established just like the BRPSE, which is looking after the health of public enterprises. Some such agency is required to be established to see that this law is properly implemented. This is number one. Secondly, take care of the sickness of the small-scale units in the incipient stage and guide them towards revival. This is what is required.

With these suggestions, Sir, I again reiterate that the intentions in the clauses of the Bill are to be concretised not by an Executive order, but with a statutory force, if we are really serious in putting the intentions of the Bill in effect and, thereby, make this 'big' sector meaningfully contribute to the well-being of our country.

(Continued by 2N)


SHRI TAPAN KUMAR SEN (CONTD.): Till today, the small and medium scale sectors are good tax payers; till today, they are not defaulters of loans. Of the 1, 20,000 crores of rupees of NPAs, the share of small and medium scale sectors is less than six per cent, but, still, they get a raw deal, whereas the biggies go on scot-free by evading taxes and also by not paying their dues to banks. With these suggestions, I request the Government to incorporate these ideas in terms of a concrete action. With this, I support the Bill. Thank you. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): I think the Finance Minister should have heard his speech. I hope he will take a note of it. Now, Shri E. M. Sudarsana Natchiappan.

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I rise to support this Bill, and, I appreciate the effort of the hon. Minister Shri Mahavir Prasad, and, also the Government for taking an appropriate action at an appropriate time, because there is a feeling growing throughout India that the micro, small and medium industries have been totally neglected by the Government. There is also a feeling that their grievances were not properly heard by the agencies or the Government and there was no redressal system to deliver them from their grievances. These are all the aspects which have been addressed by this particular Bill. He is a Minister of the Cabinet rank, he is also the ex-officio Chairperson of the Board, which allows a person to come forward and put his views. The Government has got the first-hand impression, or, first-hand knowledge of various problems which are faced by these industries. Therefore, the very pith and substance of this particular law is very much in clauses 5, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. These are very important aspects which have been taken into consideration by this Government, as has been mentioned by my earlier speaker, about it. Madam Soniaji has made this Government for aam admi and aam admi's issues, one after another, are now being taken into consideration by this Government, and this law is another stepping stone towards that goal. The clause 5 which deals with functions of Board very clearly says, " examine the factors affecting the promotion and development of micro, small, and medium enterprises, and review the policies and programmes of the Central Government in regard to facilitating the promotion and development and enhancing the competitiveness of such enterprises and the impact thereof on such enterprises." This is a very important aspect, because, this body is consisting of various members who are involved in these enterprises, and also the Members of Parliament and various State Governments and Secretaries of various Departments. Therefore, it has got a very comprehensive body which can take decisions then and there, and, they are going to have a direct contact with the persons who have direct knowledge of their own problems. Previously, the Government used to seek interference then and there by various associations of different categories. They didn't have any statutory support. But, by passing of this particular Bill, for the first time, the particular industry which needs a motherly affection and protection by the Government will be given a chance to be heard, and, not only of hearing, but also of solving the problem. That is the main intention of this Bill I could find out from this sub-clause 5 (b) which says, "make recommendations on matters referred to in clause (a) or, any other matter referred to it by the Central Government which, in the opinion of that Government, is necessary or expedient for facilitating the promotion and development and enhancing the competitiveness of micro, small and medium enterprises."

(Contd. by 2O/HK)


SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (CONTD.): Therefore, this creates very broad aspect on which different sectors can be having a direct interface with the Government. Sir, another body is also created, that is, Advisory Committee, which is also very much having experts from different fields who are going to give then and there their clear advice to the Board so that they can have clear vision in solving problems. Sir, one another provision is for Facilitation Council separately for the industry and also for the micro and small enterprises. This is also very good aspect by which it can establish one or more centres in different areas. But here I feel that the medium industry is missed in that particular provision. I hope that that will also be addressed because when it is clearly given 'micro or small industry', the medium industry is included in this particular aspect of the Facilitation Councils. Sir, to make viable these recommendations, it has taken into consideration clause 9 which takes measures for promotional development. Presently, this aspect is missing. Young graduates, technical graduates, engineers and other people are also plunging into the small scale and micro level industries. But they need a lot of encouragement by the Government. They should also have the latest knowledge to market their goods. Here marketing is also one of the aspects even though the word 'market' is not used anywhere. Only words 'production', 'services' are mentioned in various clauses. I feel the marketing is also very important. The marketing aspect should also be taken into consideration. The goods or the products or the services are not only for the particular State or particular area but for the entire nation, not only for the nation but also for the Asian continent or the international global level. It is classified that industries having investment between Rs.25 lakhs and below will be made micro enterprises; between Rs.25 lakhs and Rs.5 crores will be made small enterprises and between Rs.5 crores to Rs.10 crores will be made medium enterprises. Therefore, they have got a very good opportunity to export their products and services to various countries. Due to facilities provided by the World Trade Organisation, we can cope up with the competitiveness and we can also market the goods and services of these enterprises in more than 140 countries. They will be benefited by it. When such a thing happens, there should be some protective mechanism by which this body, which is going to be manned by the Minister, is going to help them in promoting and developing industries and services. One more aspect is credit facility. This aspect is very much faced by enterprises. Sir, the State enterprises are in financial crunch. There were many during the Third and the Fourth Five Year Plans. Many separate industrial funding agencies were created at the State level. They lent on very high interest, but they could not continue their financial help when there was default on the other side and they could not get back their money. The enterprises also die at that stage itself. The industrial sector and also the financial sector could not manoeuvre that particular condition. Therefore, this type of credit facility and guidance will be very much helpful for reviving the type of agencies which are dying in various States. Sir, the sick industries is also a very important aspect. It is also addressed here. Clause 11 says about the procurement preferences policy. Here the opportunity is given to parties to mention the problems they are facing. (Contd. by 2p/GSP)


SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIPPAN (CONTD.): Another aspect that is addressed is funds; how the Central Government is going to give the funds for this particular aspect. It is there in clause 12, and, in the coming Budgets, we have to see whether we are getting the funds from the Central Government or not. Since the banks and financial institutions are having their representation in the National Board, I feel, they will be motivated and the Indian Banks Association is also getting the representation at the highest level, therefore, they can have the policies.

Sir, kindly see the NPA position in various micro-small and medium industries. The NPA is very, very low if you compare it with the industries which are borrowing more than one crore, for the last five years. But, those who borrow below one crore, were very, very prompt in paying the money. There was minimum NPA. When you compare it with the agriculturists also, there is no NPA at all in various banks.

Therefore, they should appreciate that, and, they should not go only to the corporate sector, which are in a position to raise money from the market and other things, but to these small industries as well, which cannot go to the market to raise money. They don't have the participation by the shareholders. They have to get money only through the financial institutions and through the aid of the Government. Therefore, the provision in clause 13 is also very much relevant for giving grants by the Central Government, then and there, according to the needs of the particular industry.

Sir, I am very happy that this Bill addresses another important issue, and, that is the Centre providing Alternative Dispute Resolution Services. Many of the enterprises are locked up in the disputes, that is, there are cases pending in civil courts or criminal courts. Here, a clear provision is given to have the Alternative Dispute Resolution method, conciliation method, or the arbitration method. These are all provided in the Act itself. That will be very, very useful for the people to solve their problem then and there. Sir, I have to sum up saying that there is a provision to hold a meeting, at least, thrice a year. But it should not go into the hands of the bureaucrats and it should not be like other routine meetings, that is, having some minutes of the meetings, going through them, and, then, passing the resolutions. It should be an active, dynamic and also the pro-active forum, as this particular Bill gives a soul, a heart to this particular industry which was neglected, which is facing death. And, now, it is going to be rejuvenated, and, it is going to be revitalised by passing this Act, by the Parliament.

With these words, Sir, I appreciate the effort of the Government, and, more specifically, the hon. Minister who has got the grassroot knowledge of the problems faced by the general public. Finally, Sir, I would like to say something on the issue of Office of Profit. I would like to know whether that has also been taken into consideration. Sir, when the Minister in charge of the Ministry, Members of Parliament and various others are going to be members of the National Board for Micro, Small and Medium enterprises, it should not be attracted by the Office of Profit. That should be looked into. Sir, this is a very well-intentioned piece of legislation and we are going to become a prosperous India in micro, small and medium enterprises. Thank you. (Ends)

DR. P.C. ALEXANDER (NOMINATED): Sir, let me also begin by congratulating the hon. Minister, my esteemed friend, Mr. Mahavir Prasad, for bringing forward this legislation. For nearly two or three decades, the small industrialists in this country have been asking for a proper legislation to back up the various development programmes. The subject of a statutory backing for development programmes has been discussed umpteen times in various forums of hon. Ministers from the State Governments, at the meetings of the Small-scale Industries Board, and, always, there have been objections and that has caused a tremendous delay. (Contd. by 2Q/sk)


DR. P.C. ALEXANDER (CONTD.): I am very happy that, at last, the Minister has been successful in his efforts and he deservers congratulations. But, I am going to say something which will disappoint the Minister, and, that is, I am very unhappy about clubbing medium industries with small industries and micro industries. The definition for small-scale industries, micro industries and medium industries, as provided in the Act will itself show why this type of a clubbing-together is not a very happy one. Micro industries are those with an investment of less than Rs. 25 lakhs in plant and machinery; small industries are those with an investment of less than Rs. 5 crores and medium industries are those with an investment of less than Rs. 10 crores. These constitute different groups with very little common programmes or common problems. And, when we tackle the problems of the small men behind these industries, we will have to tailor the programme to suit the demands of these people or the category to which we are addressing our attention. I am strongly of the view that an investor who can afford to have Rs. 10 crores investment in plant and machinery, will have very little common with an investor in small industry who may have only Rs. 2 crores or 3 crores at the most. Why I say that the medium industry should not be clubbed with the small industries? I would crave the indulgence of the Minister to listen to me about the history of this. If you go back to 1954-55 or the second half of the 50s, and if you refer to the files in those days, you will be impressed with the fact that one of the most important motivations which guided the Government at that time to bring up programmes specifically for small industries was to create a new class of small entrepreneurs in this country. You will see from the notes in these files from those periods, discussions have been based on the inter-linkage between democracy and small industrialists. In other words, at the time of independence, we found that after stopping imports, after imposing restrictions on not only imported machinery and raw materials, but even imported consumer goods and other such items also, all this benefited only those who had the money to invest. A set of people with long experience in managing industries, may be jute mills or textiles or may be a new set of people, who happened to find large resources in their command by the abolition of zamindari and other such reforms undertaken by the Government, put their money in industrial development. The number was limited but they reaped advantage. And, the Government, at that time, realised that for the strength of our economy, we should have a large under-structure of small entrepreneurs, and that is the number one reason given for the development programmes especially designed for stimulation of entrepreneurship, creation of new entrepreneurship. We seem to be forgetting that motivation or that principle in the legislation that has been brought about. We want to bring in a new class of industrial entrepreneurs who never had any affinity even with industries except as consumers and that is the basis of the programme. Of course, we wanted to have some industrial contribution, contribution to the industrial wealth from this class also. But the stimulation of entrepreneurship was one of the important reasons. Banks in those days would advance funds only to those who would be able to convince the bankers that they are really not in need of money. The banker would give money only if the big man convinces him that he does not need any money, he will produce all the statistics about his wealth. (Contd. by YSR-2r)


DR. P.C. ALEXANDER (CONTD.): But the small man had nothing to offer. That is why the Government thought of an integrated programme which would combine credit facilities, supervised credit, accommodation in industrial estates, technical assistance on what industries to start, management assistance, and training assistance. A sort of package deal was brought out by the Government and that resulted in the production of a network of small entrepreneurship all over the country. Originally, industries were only in the big metropolitan cities. Now we found, in the course of 10-15 years, small industries came up all over the country in small and big towns, even in rural areas, and new entrepreneurship developed. That was the greatest benefit which the small industry movement conferred on this country. Unfortunately, I have a lurking fear in my mind that by combining very small people who are called tiny industries or the village industries, the small industries and the medium industries, we will be watering down that old philosophy of stimulation of new entrepreneurship on people who are not in a position to start industries on their own. I would therefore earnestly request the Minister to take some opportunity, not immediately -- because you are anxious to get the legislation passed, and you will certainly get it passed -- but at some stage in your official career, not very late, to deliberately delink the small industries from the medium industries. They need a different type of assistance, and the Government should provide that type of assistance which they would appreciate better. Mr. Natchiappan had said that the medium industries had been deliberately kept out of the Government-purchase programme. He wanted medium industries to be added to the law, the legislation before it. I am glad and I congratulate the Minister for keeping medium industries out of preferential treatment which small industries get. For heaven's sake, please, give this treatment exclusively to small industrialists and not part this benefit with or not try to pass on this benefit to the big people who are already in a position to take care of themselves. My philosophy is let not what is intended for the sparrows be allowed to be eaten away by the crows. We should have missionary approach to the whole programme, and we will try to protect as the guardians of the small men in this country who have chosen this. My next submission is..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): Dr. Sahab, due to shortage of time could you..

DR. P.C. ALEXANDER: I must crave your indulgence. It is my habit to sit down even before a remind bell. I have never heard the bell striking. But you should remember that the person who is speaking on small industries is one who had been a Development Commissioner for..

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I know, Sir. I know that is why I am not ringing the bell. That is why I am hesitating from ringing the bell.

DR. P.C. ALEXANDER: ..spreading the message of Indian small industries' development to all developing countries in the world. Therefore, I crave your indulgence to allow me a few minutes more.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: I am fully aware that is why I am not ringing the bell.

DR. P.C. ALEXANDER: My second point to the hon. Minister is when you define main points about the development programme in clause 9, why have you left out industrial estates? You have mentioned many other things there as the cardinal core content of the development programme. I thought India was a country which made the best use of the industrial estate in developing entrepreneurship in sectors which never had any experience of it. Industrial estates have been one of our most important success stories in the development programmes, and I thought that that deserved a very special mention under that. I would also underline the importance of credit. Particular mention has been made about clause 12 where one or more special Funds have to be created. (Contd. by VKK/2S)


DR. P.C. ALEXANDER (CONTD.): I only hope that these will not be open-ended funds, but funds with a definite and deliberate programme, directing them to the needy pockets of the really small and deserving industrialists. Finally, I have to conclude.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): We have to conclude this by 4.00 p.m. That is my constraint. Otherwise, I would have never done that.

DR. P.C. ALEXANDER: Finally, Sir, clause 7 refers to the possibility of bringing in employment criterion for classification. I would very strongly advise the hon. Minister to discard that thought from him. We originally started with Rs.5 lakhs as capital investment in land, machinery and plant and 50 as employment limit. But the experience shows that this was limiting the scope for employment and, therefore, we removed the employment criterion. Therefore, I would earnestly suggest that when you revise the classification, let this not be a guideline for you or policy-making. We should never think of bringing back something which we have found to be counter-productive. Thank you, Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, for your indulgence. I hope I have made my point clear. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you Dr. Alexander. Now, Mr. Surendra Lath.

DR. K. MALAISAMY: Sir, what about me?

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You see, we have to finish it by 4.00 p.m. including the reply.

DR. K. MALAISAMY: Sir, I would take only two minutes.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay. So, I would request Mr. Lath to take only five minutes.

SHRI SURENDRA LATH (ORISSA): Sir, how can I take five minutes only? No, Sir. How can I take five minutes only?

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, ײֻ ֵ ֵ , , ֻ և, և  , ׾ ׻֋ ֵ ֵ ָ ו֙ ײֻ , ֻ ׾ ׾׮ִֵ ׬׮ִֵ 1911 ָ 11 () ߮ ׸֟ , וִ ß ׮ִ ָ ־ã և ߅

, ֮ ֑ ׸֟ ֵ օ ײֻ ֑ ֣ ִ֬ , ִ ׸֟ ֵ

, ֑ , Ծ־ã , ׻ ִו ߾֮ ֯ ״ ׮ֳ֟ ֕ וÙ ֣ ָוÙ ׬ ִ , וִ֮ ֳ ߮ ׬ ָ ״ֻ֟ ֤ ָ ׬ ׮ֵԟ ߲ 85 90 ָ ֋ , ׮ֵԟ ߲ 35 ןֿ֟ ָ ֵָ֛, ß ׮ֵԟ ֟ , , ߲ 50-55 ןֿ֟ ׮ֵԟ

, ֤ ֲ ׬ ָ ֲֻ ֟ , ֟ ו֮֟ פ ֮ , פ ֵօ ֕ ݻֻև֮ ֲ WTO ׸ߴ ִ ֮ ֤ ׾ ָ֕ ןֵ֟ ִ֮ ֛ , ־ֿ Ӹ ״ֻꅠ , ־׾פ ֑ ִ֬ ֲ ׬ ָ ֲֻ ֕ ֲ ֛ ִõ ָ ֮ܵ ֜ , ָ ָ ֙ , - ִ֬ ֻ ָ ִõ ִ֮֬ ֕ ָ , ָ ãׯ֟ , ִ ָ ִ ֙י ('2t/sch' ָ ָ)


֚ (֟): ִ ָ ֲֻ ֕ ãן ֲ ׾ ָ֕ ֮ ֤ ֟ , ֛ , ֵ֟ ֮ ֤ ׾ ָ֕ ִ֬ ׬ ׬ ָ ֲֻ օ

, ׾֬ ֑ ִ֬ ׸֟ ֵ , ָ ִ և ӛÙߕ և ӛÙߕ ־ - ִ ֣ ֻ ֣ פ ֵ ָ ֕ ֲ ִõ֋ - ֯ן , 10 ֵ Ù ֟ , ָ ָ ׌ 10 ֵ ֟ ֟ ׌ ֵ Ù ֟ , ֳ ִõֆ ײ֮ ָ օ ָ - ֮֋ - ֮ ֮֮ ־ֿ

, ײֻ ֻ֮ ô ӛ כִ әև ֮֮ ־ã և , ו ׾ , ִ ֮ ֻ ׾׳֮ ִõֆ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֮ ׸֮ ָָ ֟ և ֟ ߵ ӡ ֣ ߵ ӡ ן׮׬, ֕ ָָ ׾ֳߵ ӡ, ֣ ֕ ָָ ׾ֳߵ ד־, ׾׳֮ և׿ֵֻ Ùߙ֮ ן׮׬ ָ߆և, ֛, ֲ֛, ևԲߋ ן׮׬ פ ֣ ׾׳֮ ֚ ן׮׬ֵ ״ֻ ֵ

( ֳ֯ן ߚ߮ )

, 100 ֤õ ֚ ֻ 10 ֤õ ִ ״ֻ ֵ , ָ ָ ָ 19 ֤õ ״ֻ ֵ

, ָ ׾׳֮ ָ - , ׾׳֮ ָ ִõ֋ ׳֮-׳֮ ָ ֛ ֚ ֮֮ ֲ ֳ ן׮׬֟ , ֲ ֲ ִõֆ ִ ֋ꅠ ׻֋ ־ֿ ֚ ׬ ״ֻ ֋, ו ִõֆ ִ ִ֮֬ ד֟ ׮ֻ , ֣ ֣ ָ ֕ ßָ ָ ך ֋, ו ֕ ֳ

, ׾֢ߵ ִõ֋ , ָ ֯ ֮ ֟ ֕ ָ ־ և׿ֵֻ Ùߙ֮ ָ ٣ ׾֬֋ և , כ ֵ , 10 - 15 ןֿ֟ ׬ - ִֵ ָ ׸̾ ֮ ևև , ֕ ٿֵֻ , ևև ָ ֻ֮ ֕ ֟ ו֮֟ , ꌵ׸ ׻֋ ו֮ - ֋ , ו֮ ִ߮-ֵ֤֤ , ꌵ׸ ׾֬ ׸̾ ֮ և֮ 25 ꌵ׸ ־ֿ , ־֕ ָ ׸̾ ևև ָ ֻ֮

, әÙ ָ ֛-֛ , ӓ, : ֟ ןֿ֟ ֕ ׾֬ ״ֻ , - , 12 15 ןֿ֟ ֕ ֛ ׸̾ ևև ï™ ֵ , և ؛ (ߋֆָ) ןֿ֟ ןֿ֟ ׬ ֤ , ֳ ָ ֮ ֻ֮

2U/MCM ָ ֿ:


֚ (֟) : ־ ִõ ֕ כïֻ , ֻ ֮ ֤ ߮ ֌ ֙ ֤ ֮ ׾׳֮ ֮ ָ ָ-ָ ֵ ֟ ֮֮ ֮ ָ כòԴ ׻֋ ִֵ-ߴ ֵ ו ָ-ָ ֛ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ , "The credit flow to the small industry will be doubled in five years." 5 ֻ פ ֋ ָ ֟ the credit flow to the small scale sector 20 ָ ָ כ ֕ 30 ָ ׬ כ ו֮֟ ֑ ֕ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֋ 20 ָ ֵ֜ ֋ כ ָ 20 ָ -  פ ֮ , ֕ ָ ו ָ ן , - ָ , ֕ ָ ֲֻ ֋ ß-ß Ӥ ֋ ׾ ֮ ֯ ןֵ֟ ֛ ֋ꅠ ׻֋ ָ ؓ֟ ־ֿ , ׾֬ ޛÙ ׸և ָ ֵ ֕ ݻֻև֮ ֕ Ӥ ֋ , ܵ Ӥ ֋ ָ ֋ ָ ױ ָ ״ֻ , ӛÙߕ ױ ׸և , ׻֋ ֮ ײֻ և ӡ ָ ׾ָ֓ ָ ׮ֵו֟ ֮

ֳ֯ן : ָ ֯ ֻ ֟ , ֕ ײ֮֕

֚ : ָ, ״֮֙ ֟ օ

ֳ֯ן : ״֮֙ ֯ ר֮ ֤ ״֮֙ ?

֚ : ָ, ֻ ֟

ײֻ ִֻ֯ ֟ ָָ ִֻ֯ , ֵ ׯ֔ ָ - , ӱÙָ ָ֬ ־ã ׾ ׻֋ ֋ ֕ ָ ׬ӿ ֵ: 60 ָ ׬ ֑ ָ™, ״ֻ֛֮, ׿ִ ֻ, ָ Ϥ, ӕֲ ָ֟ Ϥ ֕ã֮, ֬ Ϥ, , ײָ ִ ׯ֔ Ӆ ִֻ֯ ָ ָ֬ ־ãֆ ׾֬ֆ ׾ ֋ ֑ ֜־ ׻֋ ׬ ٣ ־ã ֋ , ֕ ֲ ֛ ִõ ֯ꌙ ֕ ֯ ֮ ֟ , ִֵ ֕ ֳ 50 ָ ֮ ִ֮ 64 ֯ꌙ ֟ ״׮Ùי Ùֱ ׻֕ ֱ כ, ֲ֤ Ù ִֵ ױ ֮ ֵ֮ ִ֬ 19 ֯ꌙ ָ כ֙ ֟ , 25 ֯ꌙ ־ڮ ꮵظ ׻֋ ֟ , 18 ֯ꌙ ֮ ֻ ֟ , 6 ֯ꌙ և ֻ ֟ ־ 50 ָ ׸ և ֛ , ׻ ֮ ӳֻ֟ , և ֟ , ؙ ֟ ־ ꌵ -׸ֻ ֮ ֲ ֤ ֮ ָ ֯ꌙ ֮ ӳ־ ? ֮ ָ ָָ ִ׻֙ߕ ֮ ָ ָ (2W ָ ֿ:)