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NB/2N/2.00

ק (֟) : ֛ ߴ ֙ ָ ֵ ֓ ߴ , ֮ stories ֜ , ֮ interviews ֋ , ֮ ׸ և ֕ã֮ Ӥ, ӕֲ Ӥ ָ ָ ֛ ָ ֟ ֻ ֻ , ֻ , negate , ֣ ֻ ֻ֮ ֛օ ָ ֟ problem ֻ Health Ministry problem , attitude ִֻ ָ ָ ָ֕ , ֣ ֱ , ֻ , ֣ ֕ ָ ֤ פ־ , ֤ ָ - ֋ ֓ competition , ֤ ָ ֤ ֓ , middle class and lower middle class competition ־ֻ ֵ ׻֋ ֛ ָֻ ָ ֟ ָ ִ֕ , ָ ױ , ָ כ ָ, ָ ִו ָ ֟ և ֟ ָ ֛ , ֛ ֵ , , -֯ ׻֋ ֛ ֲ ֵ

, , ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ָ ָ ϣ , ָ , ֙ , ֛ ֛ , ֛ ֛օ ָ ָ ִ֕ Ӥ , ָ ϣ , ָ ֯ ֙֋ , ûִ ִ֕ , ָ ֜ Ӆ ֯ ֟֟ ִֻ֮ ãן ָ , ׻֟ ãן ָ , ָ - ָ֕ , materialism , ߕ ֜

׻֋ ֻ ׻֋ ֱ Health Ministry ֟ ֮, ֱ ultrasound machines ָ ֤ ֤ control ֮֜ ֻ օ ׻֋ ֯ ָָ ֮ , ֻ ֮ ֻ ִֵ ß֮ ׾µ , ִו ãן , ٣ ãן , ֻ ָ ָ ֆ ܵ ֮ ָ ָ ָ ָ 700-800 ֋ , ױ ֮ ִו ֻ-ֻ , ו ֮ , crime ֮ ֜, ו ֮ ָ ׾ 8 ןֿ֟ 9 ןֿ֟ , ׾ ӳ־ ֋օ פ ׾ ֣ ãן , ׾֟ , ֟ ָ ִ֕ ׾µ օ ׻֋ ָָ ӕߤ ָ Inter-Ministerial Committee ֮֮ , וִ Health Ministry, Women & Child Welfare Ministry, Ministry of Social Justice, Finance Ministry, Information and Broadcasting Ministry comprehensive policy ֮֋, ֟ ׻֋ comprehensive policy ֮֋ ָ ֮ ֤ ֋ ָ ֛ , -֯ ׾µ , ֤֮֮ ׾µ Ӭָ ֻ , ֤֮ ֺ

ָ ָ ֕ פ , פ ָ ̴֮ , á ̴֮ ֤ ױ֓ ָ ֲӤ ߅ Emergency ִ 100 ֤ guests ֯ , ֯ ֮ ִ֮ , ֕ ֮ competition ֻ ֕ ָ ױ ָ ֲӤ ֮ , ױ ֤ ִֻ ֮ ֜-֜ פֵ ֟ ֛ ֲ ֮ ֵ ִ Ӌ, ֮ דֵ ָ ״ֻ , ֟ ֤ؕ ̸ ֛ ֤ؕ ̸ ׻֋ ׻֋ ֯ approach ֮֮ ֛, ו ִ֕ awakening ֋, financial terms ֯ incentives , ֯ financial terms ָ ܟ , ֲӤ ֋ ָ ܟ ֮ ֵ֮ ֋ ֲ , ָ ֱ Health Ministry ָ ֮ , ִ ֻ ... (־֮֬) ָ ܟ , ֤֤ girl child murders , ֮֮ ׻֋ ֮ ֕ ״ֻ ? 2O/AKG ָ ֿ:

AKG/2O/2.05

ק (֟) : ׻֋ ֮ ָָ ֋ , ֮ ֕ ״ֻ ? ָ ״ֻ , ׻֋ ֮ ָ ֮֮ ֺ ׻֋ ә-״׮Ùֻ ֟ , ״׮Ù ֮ ֮֋, ֮ ״׮Ù ֮֋, ״׮Ù ֮֋߅ ״׮Ù ִ ״ֻ ֛, ָ ״ֻ ֛օ ִ ׯ־ ֻ֮ օ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

. סֵ (ָ֟) : ֮־֤, ָ ָ ָ , ָ ֻ֟ ? ָ ֲ ֛ ֮ , ֟ ָ֬ , ֲ ֛ , ״֚և љ ֟ , ׻ֵ ֕և ֟ , ֛ ֕֋ ֟ , ֲ ֛ , ָ ֟ ָ ֤ ֙ ֙ ꅠ ָ Ϭ֮ ִ֕ , ִו ֮֟ ָ ֛ ׯޛ-֮ , ״ֻ֟ ֛ ֯ ָ ױ ֛ , ֤ ֛, ߿ ֮ ֛, ֛ ָ ֛, ֛ ֤ ֤ ָ֋ ָ ֻ ֋, ֛ ֵָ , ߔ ֓ ֲֻ֟ ? ֕ ֛ ֵָ ֮ ֛ ֮ ֤ ֤ ֵָ ֟ ֲ ֟ ִ ֟ , ֲ ֕ ֛ ֲ , ֳ ֟ ֟ ֱ ֯֜ , , ֻ֟ ֜-׻ ָ ֲ ֤ ֕ ֮ פ ֟ ִֻ ֱ , ִֻ á á ֮ ֮ ָ ֤֮ ׻֋ ָ ֲ ֤ pressurise ֛ , ֛ ָ ִ֕ ֻ֟ , ֛ ִ ׻֋ ֛ , ֛ ֕ ֕ ֻ֟

ָ ӕֲ, ׸, ָ֟, ӛ֜ פ ֻ֟ ? ֮ Ϥ ָ֟ ֟ , ֻ כÙ ־ ֵ ֵ, ָ particularly ֙ ׮֙ ֟ , ֙ ׮֙ ָ ֛ ִ֮ 525 ֛ ֻ֟ ֛ ֮ ֛ ֤ ֮ ׻֋ ׻ֵ ֮ ֛ ֤ ֟ ֕ ֤ ׸ãן ֛, ֤ ֟ , ֮ ֤ ָֻ ֯ ֮ , ׻ complain ֮֯ , ׯ֙և , פ ָ ֛ -ָ divorce divorce ׻֋ ֟ ֤ ֮ ׻֋ ֤ divorce ׻֋ ֛ ֤ ֛ ָ ֤ ֟ ֻ֟ ֟ ָ ֻ֟ , ִ֕ ׸ãן ?

ָ ָ ָ ָ ׮֙ ֟ , ֛ ֻ֟ ֛ ֤ , ִ֮ ֻ ָ ֛ ״ֻ֮ ױ ֛ ֻ ֛ ֻ ֻ֟ ־֕ ֟ ֳ֬ , ׻֋ ָ ׸ãן ֵ, ִ֕ ָֻ֟ ֙֋ ֱ ֯ ֋߅ ָָ ׻֋ ד׮֟ ֛օ ׻֋ ֮ ֮ ֮֋ , ֮ ֵԯ ? ֕ ִ ֛-֛ ֳԯ֟ ֮ ײ֙ (2/֋֋ ָ ֿ:)

2P/HMS-RSS/2.10

0 סֵ (ָ֟) : ӕֲ ׸ Ӥ ֟ ָ ֯ 5 ֋ ֮֓ ֕ 5 ָ ֋ ֓ ו֋ ָ և , ָ ϓָ ָ ֮ ? , ֻ ָ ֻ ָ ִ פֵ ֵ ָ ָ֟, ֬ Ϥ ֕ã֮ Ӥ ֳԯ֟ ֮ ׻֋ ׻֋ ֤ ָ֮ ֳԯ֟ ֵ֟օ ָ 00 00 ָ פֵ ֵօ ׻֋ ӡ ָ 00 ֻ ָ ִ פֵ ֟ , ָָ ? ֕ ָָ ֮ , ֮ ָ ֵֻ ֮ ֌ և ֻ ?

ֳ֬ , ׻֋ ֮ ֤־ ֮ ֺ ֮ ֤ ָָ ֮֮ 302 ִֻ ֻ ִֻ ֮֮ ֮ , ָ֤ ֻ 7 ֻ ֕ ֵ ֮ ֺ ֳ ָ֬ ׻֋ ִו ֤־ ֮ , ֮֟ֆ ֤־ ֮ ֺ ֣ ָ֬ ׻֋ ֤--֤ ٴ ֆ, ֮֕ן ֆ 000 ֣ ֻ ָ ֡-֡ֆ ׿ ֮

, ӟ ӡ ֯ ӲӬ ܟ ֮ ֮֋Ӆ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

ֳ֬ (0 00 ׸֮) : 댵 סֵ ߅ 0 ִ ӛָ߅

0 ִ ӛָ (ײָ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֛ ׾ßָ ӲӬ ֮ ֌־ ֤ ִ ִו ֮ ֓ ӲӬ ָָ ָ ֵԾ ֤ ֮ ™

, ָ֟ ָ ֛ ӟ֮ ß ֋ , ֮ ֤ 21 ֤ 2020 ׿ֵ 1 80 , ӲӬ ӡ ֵ֮ ֜ օ

, ָ և ָ ׮ֵӡ ֵ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֿ ֌ ֻ-ֻ ֟ , ӳ־ ӳ־ , ֕ ו ִ֕ ֮ 21 ֤ ֕ ֛ ֛ ӕ ִ֟ ֯ -- ֯ ָ ו ֳ ־ ִ֟ ֛ -- ֯ ׻ ֿ , ֛

ֳ֬ , ׻֋ ִו ׸֟Ԯ ־ֿ , ֜ ֻ 2 70 ָ ֋

(2 /ߋ־ ָ ֿ:)

PSV-TMV/2Q/2.15

0 ִ ӛָ (֟) : ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ? ו֮ Ϥ ִ㮮֟ Ϥ, ׾ֿ߻ Ϥ , Ϥ ֤ ...(־֮֬)... ײָ , ָӛ , , ׻ פ , ӕֲ , ׸ , ָ , ӛ֜ Ϥ ָ ֕ ٣ ֠ ֲ֕֠ Ϥ֠ , Ѡ ֠ ִ֕

( ֳ֯ן ߚ߮ )

֜-׻ ָ ֲ Ϥ ֮ ֛ ֮ ָ ֋ , ׯ֔ Ϥ ק ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ן : ״֮֙, ״֮֙ 2.15 ֕ 2.30 և  ײו֮ Ù֙ ֻ ...(־֮֬)...

0 ִ ӛָ : ָ, ֲ օ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ן : ֲ ֟ , ֱ ֯ , ָ ֯ ָ Now, it is 2.15 p.m. ׻֋ ֜ פ ֙ ָ , ָ ־֕ ֟ , ָ ֋ ָ Private Members' Business should start at 2.30 p.m.  ֵ ֮֮ פ ״׮Ù ׸և , ߻ ׾ֵ , ׻֋ 15 ״֮֙ ״׮Ù ׸և , ָ according to the rules, I have to stop the regular business at 2.30 p.m. ...(Interruptions)... ֟ ...(־֮֬)... ֋, ׻֋ ֟ Calling Attention ә ֤ օ That is the maximum time and the time is fixed under the rules. ־֕ Private Members Business 2.30 Ù օ I leave it to the House. ֯ꠠ -ָ֮ ָ ֻ֟ և  껵֮ ׻֋ ִֵ פ ֵ, ׻֋ פ ֌͟ ״ֻ֟

0 ִ ӛָ : ָ, ֯ ׾ֵ ֻӟ ׾ֵ ו֮֟ Ϥ ֓ , Ϥ ֙֋ ָ֟ ׻֋ , ׾ֵ ָ ֤õ ֵ ֮֮

, ӕֲ, ׸, ֲ Ϥ ֻֿ ָ Ϥ , פ , ָ߲ , Ӥ ָ ָߤ ֟ ãן ֮ և , Ϥ 녠 ָ ֮ ֮ ֮ ֮ ֮, ֟ ϣ ֱֻ ֮ ֮, ֆ ׻֋ ֮ ֮ , ָ ֮ ״ִ֮ ֮ , ־ֻ ߠ -֋ ֕ ֓ ߅ ֛פ ֓ Ϥ ֟ ֆ ׻֋ ֮ ֮ , ֮ ֻ֮ ֺ ׾ֵ ֕ ָ ִ ֵ , ֤ ִ ֵ , ֯ ׾ֵ

, ִֵ ֋ ֕ ֛ , ק ֠ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ן : ӛָ , ױ ߻ כ ...(־֮֬)... כ ״׮Ù ׸ױ֮ ׻֋ ִֵ פ ֟ ֯ ׮ֵָ ָ ֯ ׸ևӛ օ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ׾ֵ ִ߸ Short Duration Discussion , Calling Attention ֱ ׸ױ֮ ֟ ...(־֮֬)...

0 ִ ӛָ : ײֻ ָ, ָ Short Duration Discussion օ ק , ֛ ֻ ֛ ִֵ ֮ ...(־֮֬)...

ϟ֯ : ֵֻ ...(־֮֬)...

0 ִ ӛָ : ֮ ...(־֮֬)... ִֵ ֮ ֲ ֛ ֻ ֻֿ ֮ ֛օ

(2ָ/000 ָ ֿ:)

2R/klg-vk/2.20

0 ִ ӛָ (֟) : ֛ ֤ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬)

ߴ֟ Ӥ ָ : ױ ֮ , ָߤ ..(־֮֬)

0 ִ ӛָ : ָ, ãן ֮֮ , ֟ ק ֵ ןֱ , ә-״׮Ùֻ ֮ٛ ֟ ֱ þã ӡֵֻ ֟ , ӡֵֻ, ֻ Ù ӡֵֻ, ֳ ӡֵֻ ״ֻ ֟ , ָ֟ , 2020 ֟ 100:80 ãן ֟ ֮ Ӥ ֮ ֮֋ , ָ ߋ֛ߙ ...(־֮֬).. Ӥ , ֱ ֌ ׮ִֿ ״ֻ ײ֮ և ֈӛ ֻ֋ , ֲ וÙ֮ ־֮֬ , ײ֮ וÙ֮ ֻ ִ ָ ָ ִו ־ã , ִ ֺ ֛ , ָ ֯ , ָ ָ ֮ ֮֮ , ӯߴ֮ ֛ ә-״׮Ùֻ ֮ٛ ֟ ק , ֮ օ ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ֟ ״׮Ù ֯ ֮ , ָ ֋

ϟ֯ : , ֯ ..(־֮֬)

0 ִ ӛָ : ָ ָ ָ ֵ֮֯֙ , ϟ֯ ߅ ֯ , , ָ ָ ָ ֵ֮֯֙ Ӆ

ֳ֯ן : ӛָ , ֯ ִ֯ ו֋, ߕօ

0 ִ ӛָ : , ֟ ֣ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

ֳ֯ן : Ӭ ֤֕ ֯ ״֮֙ ׸ױ֮ ֮ Ù ״׮Ù פ

Ӭ ֤֕ (ָ Ϥ) : , ׻ ׻֋ ӳ߸ ִõ ֵ ߔ ָ , ׻ ָ ֆ ֲָָ פ ֵօ ֻ ֮ ָ֕ ֆ ֲָָ פ ֵ , ־ָ ֲָָ פ ֟ ֮ 韵 ֋ ׿ָ

, ָ ֤֕ ֮ ׾֮֬ ֵֻ , ׾֮֬ ָ áֵ , ׸ ֺ և, ֺ և, ֺ և, ֳ ß ־ ִ ֵօ ֮ , ׸ ֲ ֤ ָþ֟ , ֤ ִ֬ ֮֟ ׸ ׻֋ ָþ֟ ׻֋, ֜-׻֮ ־֮֬ ֵօ ו ֮ ׾֮֬ ֻ , ִ á, ׻֋ ׿ ־ã ׾֮֬ օ ׾ֿ ֣ ֮֟ פ ֕ , ֲ ָ ׻֋ Ӭ׾ ֛ , ׌ ״ֻ, ״ֻ, ֛ ָ ״ֻ֟ , ָ ϣ ָ ֲ ָ ֛ ֋ ׻֋ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֻ ֮ ֮֮ ִ ֮֮ ֻ , ֵ֮֮ ִ ֮֮ ֻ ֳ ִõ ׮֕֟ և ֲ ֣ ֯ ֮־֤ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

MR. DEPUTY CHIARMAN: I would like to take the sense of the House. Now we may request the Minister to reply to the debate; otherwise he will not be able to answer your questions. (Interruptions). Please cooperate.

PROF. P.J. KURIAN: Sir, I have a suggestion. It is a very emotive subject. I would like to suggest...(Interruptions).

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Sir, let the Minister reply because he has to go. (Followed by 2S)

RG/2.25/2S

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let the Minister reply. Rest of the Members can speak after 5 o'clock. (Interruptions). He has to also go. The Minister has an urgent meeting on the occasion of the World Health Day. He has also requested in writing...(Interruptions) I don't mind it. But we have the Private Members' Business...(Interruptions)

MS. SUSHILA TIRIYA: Sir, I will just take one minute...(Interruptions) Being a lady Member, kindly allow me, Sir...(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Kindly co-operate with me. Several lady Members have already spoken.

MS. SUSHILA TIRIYA (ORISSA): Sir, I will not take much time. Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity.

The PNDT Act was basically introduced in 1994, but it was implemented in 2003. But, over the years, the sex ratio has declined like anything. In 1991, it was 947; but, in 2001, it was 927. Sir, I heard the speeches of the hon. Members, and they were saying that the sex ratio is lower basically in rural areas, tribal areas and the areas where there is more illiteracy. I have a piece of information which I would like to share with the House. According to the Report of the NCW, the sex ratio has been declining rapidly in States like Chandigarh, Haryana, Punjab and the nearby States. May I ask of the hon. Members of the House: Are these States being considered as illiterate States? Are these States considered as uncivilised States? Here, I want to mention that I come from a rural area, which is a tribal area, of Orissa. I would like to pinpoint that even though the people of our area may not be as literate and as educated as the people of other areas, yet the sex ratio has not declined there. We have to learn from them. I would like to point out here that even though they may be considered as illiterate and less civilised, but they have a greater awareness about the girl child, the value of the girl child. The girl children are more appreciated and more respected in the tribal areas, while in other States, every day we hear cases of dowry, harassment, criminalisation of girl child, etc. Can this sort of harassment, rape, etc. be accepted in the civilised States of North India?

Sir, I would like to put one more query before the hon. Minister. The PNDT Act has been in force for a long time now. There is the Central Supervisory Board, the State Supervisory Board, the Advisory Committee and the Appellate Authority. As regards the Advisory Committee, I would like to know from the hon. Minister how many representatives of NGOs and the people working in specific areas have been made members in this Committee.

Lastly, Sir, as regards termination of girl child, whether it is by doctors or by any authority, it is a punishable offence. (Continued by 2T)

KS/SCH/2.30/2T

MS. SUSHILA TIRIYA (CONTD.): Finally, the Police is also acting suo motu. How many suo motu FIRs have been filed by the Police Department regarding the violation of the PCPNDT Act. (Ends)

SHRI TARLOCHAN SINGH: Sir, ...

ֳ֯ן: ָ֮ , ֯ ו֋ ָ ו֋ ...(־֮֬) Please cooperate ... (Interruptions) , ָ ...(־֮֬) , ׾ֵ ֮ ׾ßָ כ ...(־֮֬)

ָ֮ : ָ, ֕ÿ֮ פ , I agree with her. ָ, ֻ ״֮֙ օ

֕ ו֮֟ , ִ 90% ֵ ָ ֈӛ ֿ߮ But neither are we accusing the mother-in-law nor are we trying to take action against the women ָ ֟ let the hon'ble Minister, who is a doctor - ֻ ׻֋ כ ֈӛ פ ֋ ֻ ׻֋ no test. ֯ ֻ כ ֋, ָ ִ ֈӛ ߕ ֮ ֻ ִ why people are doing, ָ Ù ֮ כ פ ֋

THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS): Sir, I rise today in this august House which has deliberated a very emotive issue plaguing this whole country. I perfectly understand and side with the concerns and the considerations of the entire House, not only within the House, but outside the House, in the entire country. The issue of declining sex ratio is not only a medical issue. It is more than a medical issue. It is a social issue. It is a developmental issue. And the very development of India depends on this issue in the long-term basis. On this issue of the declining sex ratio, we have been having a lot of concern in the last century even though this issue was there in selected areas in different parts of the country. But, of late, according to the statistics, which I have given in my statement, I have shown how this ratio has been declining in the last decade, in the last century and, in fact, the child sex ratio in the last decade, from 1991 to 2001, has come down from 945 to 927. So, this is a very, very important issue and the Government, with all the seriousness and the commitment, is definitely taking all steps and measures. But again I feel it is not enough. I agree with the hon. Members whenever they say that the Government is not taking adequate steps. We are taking steps. We are committed. But, then the quantum of what is required to be done is much more than what the Government could do. I need the support of the entire House to take it up to every level, to the social level in this country. I think, before I answer the queries of the hon. Members, I would like to say what the Government has done, what this Government is trying to do, what the Government wants to do in future also.

And we have come a long way, Sir, and we have brought forward a law, the PNDT Act which was changed to make it Pre-conception and Pre-natal Diagnostic Techniques Act to and prevent the declining sex ratio. After that, some more things have been incorporated into the Act where we have the Central Supervisory Board, where we have the State Supervisory Board, where we have the appropriate authorities, where we have the advisory bodies; where, at the national level, we have the National Inspection and Monitoring Committees; we have the National Support and Monitoring Cell and how the Government is going in for sensitising the various strata of society -- the judiciary, the Police, the doctors, the general public, the NGOs, the student community. Like Dr. Gyan Prakash has said, sensitisation is one of the very important issues which we are trying to do.

(Contd. by 2U/tdb)

TDB/2U/2.35

DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS (CONTD.): Of course, how we are trying to restrict the misuse of the ultra sound machines. And, of course, the awareness through the visual communication, both print and visual media, the radios, then, of course, the workshops. A lot of things have been got into the structure in the last few years. And, of course, there is the involvement of the religious leaders. They are playing a major role into this awareness creation. There is also involvement of the NGOs, the civil society, and the people at large. Sir, a lot of things have been going on. But, again, I feel that it is not enough in the quantum of the problem today, and we are also trying our best.

In fact, Sir, on 14 June, next month, we will be having the meeting of the Central Supervisory Board, CSB of the PNDT Act. Sir, through you, Sir, I would like to invite all the Members of Parliament to attend that meeting. Especially, the women Members could air their concerns, share their concerns in that meeting. We will be taking into consideration all the concerns brought forth by the hon. Members. So, this is an open invitation, through you, Sir, to all the Members of both the Houses. The meeting will start at 10.30 a.m. on 14h June. All the Members of Parliament, especially the women Members could come and attend it. This would be an open meeting. They will be special invitees. We will take from there, charter from there, what more we could do. That is one issue.

SHRI UDAY PRATAP SINGH: Where is the venue?

DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS: We will inform you about the venue where it will be.

Sir, the second point is, the Government is now trying to decide, or, I could say, it has been decided that in the five most problematic States, like Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Gujarat, Rajasthan, and, of course, including Chandigarh, we are going to give about Rs.5 lakh to each Member of Parliament, both Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha of these States in the first phase for creating an awareness only for this declining sex ratio issue. This is going to be an every-year event. This is not going to be a one-time event. Let us start with these five States. So, this is, again, Sir, through you, I would like to announce it to the hon. Members that we are trying to involve every section of the society, especially the hon. Members of Parliament to go into sensitisation and to create awareness about this very, very emotive issue.

Sir, again, I come to the National Inspection and Monitoring Committee. Of course, I would be answering the queries of each hon. Members. Then, again, we have co-opted Mr. Maxwell Pereira, the former Additional Commissioner of Police, Delhi into the National Support and Monitoring Cell. This Cell is trying to monitor, in the first phase, these five States which are the major culprit of this declining ratio. Sir, as my colleague, Shrimati Karat has been very rightly saying that even though Delhi is the capital of the country and the most developed society of the country lives here, this is where the most of the problem is, even though some part of Punjab is there. But, then, here we have our own capital doing a lot of these things. We need to take a very holistic view of this problem. We are already taking it; and we will be telling what we are trying to do. Of course, there are a few examples in different parts of the country where they have been doing well. Like in Hyderabad, there is a Collector called Arvind Kumar. By his initiation, he has now set a trend where just following the same law, without any modification under the PNDT, in the last year-and-a-half, there has been an increase in the birth of girls or females in the Hyderabad city. This is just one example where there is some positiveness in this on-going problem, all over the country.

SHRI K. KESHAVA RAO: Rupee one lakh incentive is given. ...(Interruptions)...

DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS: We will have a presentation on June 14. We will deliberate in that meeting as to what we could do in the future.

Sir, coming to the queries of the hon. Members, Miss Anusuiya Uikey has set the trend by saying that the ultra sound machines are responsible for this declining sex ratio. (Contd. by 2w)

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DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS (contd.): I do not want to blame the ultrasound machines for this. Sir, today, the ultrasound machines have been saving millions of lives in this country. In fact, as a doctor and as a Health Minister, we cannot put the blame on the ultrasound machines as such because we need more machines in this country. We have, approximately, 28,000 registered machines; but, again, you need some more machines in the North-East because maternal mortality rate in this country is one of the highest in the world, and infant mortality is one of the highest in this region. I think, we should not put blame on the ultrasound machines at all. We have to regulate these machines, we have to regulate the entire doctors. That is what we are trying to do and not to blame on the machines.

Of course, the hon. Member, Smt. Anusuiya was saying that the Government has not taken notice of the NCW complaints. Definitely, we have taken the notice. We are acting against what all complaints we have been receiving. But, then, again, we give them to the State Governments. Some States take action and some States do not. We are trying to request the States at my level, at my Secretary's level. We have written a lot of letters, communications are sent and it has been going on. Of course, she is right in saying that the better performing States-- like Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Delhi, of course--are the major culprits in this. The States have the maximum ratio difference and, in fact, the hon. Member Smt. Sushila was very right and I commend her when she said that in the tribal areas in Orissa, the ratios are much, much higher than the developed States. Of course, she has also rightly said that all the Members should join hands. I also urge that not only all Members but also the general public and all the political Members should join together to take up this issue.

Smt. Karat has put up very valid points and definitely, we will consider all these points, especially about the points which she made on Delhi and she has been very right in saying that there has been a drastically fallen ratio in Delhi. I will give you some details about some of the centres where we have asked the State Governments to take action. Some States have taken action but then, again, some States are yet to take. We are still persisting. But, then, again, as I said, we are trying to now look into how we can still further enforce this Act itself, how we can have more teeth to that, how punishment could be increased, and all that. On June 14th, I think, we will be taking a decision. I request all the Members to join and give their comments and assessment on how we can still further strengthen this Act.

Of course, Smt. Karat was saying that this is not being taken as a national mission. The suggestion is well taken. In fact, my Prime Minister and Madam Sonia Gandhi and we have been very much focused on this issue and they have been guiding factors for us and we are trying to take it in a mission mode. And the suggestion is well taken and we will be again putting it out on a national mission concept-like.

Shri Shahid Siddiqui has said about an inter-Ministerial concept meeting where we have to call up the Ministers. On this issue, I would like to say that Smt. Renuka Chowdhury is going to be the co-Chair of the CSB. Again, on June 14th, we will be announcing on that. We are trying to link up with the other Ministries in this. Of course, Smt. Karat was saying about the dowry role in it. In fact, in my answer I have said that this is a part of the social problems the country is facing. Not only with the help of the Ministry, but also with the support of the entire society, at large, this can be addressed. Of course, she was talking about the mobile ultrasound units. Yes, we are going to take some decision on the mobile ultrasound machines, at least in these five States. We are even taking a decision on whether we can completely ban it in these five highly problematic States.

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: I have not asked for a ban on it.

DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS: No, in the last meeting itself, we had taken a view that these mobile ultrasound machines are one of the major factors on this issue. In fact, in the last meeting itself, we had considered whether we can ban it in these five States. We will soon be taking a decision on that. (Contd. by 2x)

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DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS (CONTD.): Of course, she was talking about the preference of son, which is again a social factor, which has been going all along for centuries. It has been going on. We have to change it holistically. Of course, she was speaking about the Health Ministry. She wanted to make the National Rural Health Mission into a population control mission. I would definitely deny what she is saying. Sir, the policy of the Government is, we are not going to enforce, we are not going to force anybody, we are not going to coerce anybody into having these population stabilisation procedures but it is the duty and responsibility of the Government to stabilise the population. Otherwise, according to us and according to me this is the biggest problem. Population is the biggest problem against the development of this country. So, we have to take measures but without coercion, without forcing anybody by providing awareness. That is what the NRHM is trying to do. NRHM is not only for population, it is just for bringing the infant mortality rate down, maternal mortality rate down. Population stabilisation is one part of it. It is not that the entire thing is going to be taken over by the population control procedures. Of course, she has been asking what action has been taken by the CSB and the appropriate authorities in this country? I could say that there is big list which I could give to her about the CSBs which we have been frequently meeting and about the appropriate authorities and of course, the National Support and Monetary Cell where we have been going to all the States, especially States like Maharashtra, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Delhi. In fact, there have been three to four visits to Delhi and other areas like Gujarat, Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal and of course, Director PNDT visited Karnataka, surrounding Bangalore. These are some of the issues. We have a big list of things, which we are trying to do, and which we have done also. So, the National Inspection and Monitoring Committee, has been reconstituted and again like I have said, we have put up new members. And the hon. Member asked about how many NGOs are involved. I will get back to her. Quite some NGOs we are trying to involve. In fact, we have added the National Commission of Women into this CSB and in fact, we are trying to involve more women Members of the Parliament also into this CSB and we will take a decision on that. In fact, she has been asking how many doctors have been convicted till date. It is very unfortunate that we have come over these years and that till date about one doctor has been convicted. It is very unfortunate and it is a shame on the part of the Government. I accept that till date only one doctor has been convicted. But, Sir, I assure you within the next few weeks to few months more of them will be convicted and we are very committed to that. In fact, I would like to thank the visual media for playing a major role. In fact, the National Support and Monetary Cell is going for sting operations to entice and catch hold of those people who are circumventing this law.

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Are you taking action on the sting which is done on the doctors?

DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS: I am coming to that. I have a whole list, which I will be giving to you, or reading to you what we are trying to do on that. We are deciding on June 14th whether the law needs to be changed, whether more punishment needs to be there and we are already sensitising judiciary how to go about this. In course, we are talking with the Indian Medical Association and all the Medical Boards. In fact, the query which she has put about the Medical Council of India about the Clause which is not effective, we will change that Clause because nobody should get away from law.

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: What is the time frame? From 2003 to 2006 it has not been changed. I will be very happy if...

DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS: I have given you an assurance in Parliament that we will change that Clause so that nobody should get away. Everybody is same under the law. Definitely, action has to be taken and severe action will be taken against the erring doctors. There is one problem here. They are accomplices, the person who wants to get this done and the doctors are both accomplices. That is why we need to go for the sting operation like episodes. Coming to the episode where the hon. Member said about the sting operations. In fact, Star News carried out a story in March 2006 where they said that Gynaecologists located at Patna, Ghaziabad, Noida and Delhi agreed to conduct female foeticides. I can even read the names if you permit me. (CONTD. BY 2Y/NBR)

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DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS (CONTD.): In the centres, which have been taken up by the Star News -- I can lay it on the Table -- the gynaecologists and the lady doctors agreed to conduct female foeticides. My Secretary had written letters to the Chief Secretaries of U.P., Bihar and Delhi to take administrative action. The replies from Bihar and U.P. are a little vague. In the case of Delhi, case has not been filed so far against Dr. Ajay Lekhi on one pretext or the other. However, they have sealed his clinic and informed the same to the Metropolitan Magistrate. We will be following this up.

Sir, CNBC has carried out another operation on 17-18th February, on Kohli Imaging and Diagnostic Centre in East of Kailash.

PROF. P.J. KURIAN: Why only administrative action? Why not criminal action?

DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS: The State Government has to do. We have requested the State Government to initiate action against them.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: They have written to the State Government to initiate action. ֯ ֤ ו֋

PROF. P.J. KURIAN: If the State Government don't do, then, what do you do?

DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS: They State Government has to do ...(Interruptions)...The bodies are under the State Government ...(Interruptions)...

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: I have given the details. The women's organisations have met them only the day-before-yesterday. They have not done anything till now. What will they do?

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: He will initiate action.


DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS: Yes. We will, definitely.

The Government of Delhi sealed the clinic and informed the court. But, the case has not been filed in the court so far on one pretext or the other in spite of a regular follow up. We are trying to follow up these cases. As I said, we will decide. In fact, when we meet next month we will sort out what course of action to take, because the CSB is the body which has to take action whether to change the Act or rules and regulations.

Sir, Sahara, in April, telecast a programme in which over 100 doctors were found violating the law. It showed this, in different episodes, ranging from Rajasthan, MP, UP, Gujarat. Subsequently, we have written to these States about this telecast. It is learnt that the Director, Family Welfare, Rajasthan, filed an FIR against 20 doctors and one ANM and the case has been handed over to the State CID. Similar action has been taken in two cases each in Gujarat and Madhaya Pradesh. But, this is not enough. I am not satisfied with this. We will be taking it up with the respective States and the other bodies concerned.

Sir, the hon. Member said about the CSB functioning only as a supervisory body and not taking any action. Again, I invite the hon. Member to attend the next CSB meeting and give us her comments. Then and there we will take a decision as to how we could restructure the CSB, how much more teeth we could give to the CSB. She was also saying that the Health Ministry should be more effective in this. Definitely, Sir. With her guidance and support and also support from the other hon. Members we will become more effective. They can come to me anytime and give us their suggestions. We will, definitely, take up all these Sections.

Sir, hon. Smt. Prema Cariappa raised about the registered and unregistered centres. Today, we have a very stringent and strict pattern of registration of ultrasound machines. Not only ultrasound machines, but also other machines which are involved in these procedures. We have 28,000-and-odd registered ultrasound machines. To register a machine, we have a form called Form-F. It is a very, very strict and stringent form where we have complete details of each and every case. All patients' information is there. So, we are trying to computerize the whole procedure. The Hyderabad success story is because of computerisation and effective implementation of that. So, we have a success story. We need to do that and we are trying to do it and it will be done in the due course of time. Even if an old machine is to be replaced, the manufacturing company should get permission from the Government to replace the existing old one. So, I don't see any unregistered machines. Very, very few unregistered machines are involved indiscreetly. If the hon. Member has got any such information, I request her to send the same to me we will take severe action against them. Of course, she has also been saying that because of the declining sex ratio, the other social issues like rape has gone up in this country. She may be correct to a certain extent, because, in a village in U.P., due to non-availability of women -- in fact, it is only hearsay; I don't know how far it is true -- one woman married to four men. I don't want to misguide the House. I would, again, say that it is only hearsay.

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DR. ANBUMANI RAMDOSS (CONTD.): One girl was married to four men. So, I think, a situation is going to come in the country where it is going to be a huge, huge social problem if the whole community is not put on the act together.

Then, she was mentioning about an article regarding 0.5 million missing girl children. Sir, we have also gone through the article. It is partly true, but it is an exaggerated article. We have written to them also, asking them on how and on what basis they have arrived on this conclusion.

She also said that the punishment was not enough. Yes, we also feel that the punishment is not enough. We will take a decision how we could still further change the rules and regulations, and, if necessary, the Act also to have more legal and penal provisions.

Then, hon. Member, Shrimati N.P. Durga, raised a point about abortions. You can't ban abortions. That is requisite in the society. We have MTP Act, 1972. Then, there are a lot of medical cases which need the abortions. We just can't ban abortions.

The hon. Member also raised about female foeticide. There is not only the female foeticide, but infanticide also. It starts from conception, then, it is so and so foeticide, then, comes the infanticide. All the three factors are there. These have been more in educated masses. Yes, you can see the figures of Delhi, which is the most developed society. We will have to hit the mainstream of that.

She also asked whether any studies have been made about the North and the South India. It is a good suggestion and well taken. We will ask what are the issues in the North and the South India. In fact, we can't say it is the illiteracy problem because, then, we have the States like Punjab, Gujarat, Haryana and Delhi, which have problems like this.

Then, she raised the point about the sting operations and asked whether medical licences have been cancelled or not. We are taking action, which I have already elaborated.

Then, she wanted to know how many field visits are being done by the National Inspection and Monitoring Committees. As I have already stated, they have gone to a number of States. And, they will still be going around the entire country, not only these five States.

The hon. Member also suggested that the nutritional status of the girl child should improve. Though we are not directly associated with this issue, yet it is a matter of concern for not only her, but also for all of us. We are trying to improve it. We are trying to have adolescent health programmes, where right from the adolescent age the girl child is given preference and given food supplement so that when she attains the age of marriage, she is fit enough.

She said that the Medical Associations have failed to control these activities. Partly, I would like to agree with the hon. Member about the Medical Associations because it is their own counterparts who are trying to do this. So far as the issue about the appropriate authorities is concerned, for the last few weeks I have been saying that the appropriate authorities at the district level are being headed by a medical doctor. So, this is again a part of the problem. In the next CHD meeting, we are going to address this problem as to how we could have more people from the legal fraternity, of social status. Some personnel could be involved in this.

So far as the point whether the IEC could be improved is concerned, we are already doing a lot of Information, Education, Communication (IEC) activities. Film personalities, sports personalities and other prominent personalities are being put to use in both, visual and print media. Communication messages awareness has been done. But, again, I feel it is not enough, we are trying to increase it.

Dr. Gyan Prakash said that everybody, in this House, is on one side -- not only in this House, but in the other House also. He emphasised on sensitising the parents, doctors, the Medical Council of India, and the Administration, especially the District Magistrate and the Superintendent of Police. We have already been doing it. In fact, national consultation was done with Judiciary in Bhopal. We have written letters to all the District Magistrates of more than 600 districts. We are sensitising the police, sensitising the students at the school level curriculum. Of course, NGOs, public and everybody are joining together.

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