PREVIOUS HOUR

RG/4.00/3B

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY (contd.): Sir, the Rural Development Ministry is doing a lot of work in bringing more land under cultivation, more particularly, in the matter of wasteland development and desert land development. There, I find the kind of facilities that are being provided and the infrastructure that is being created by the Ministry. But though we have increased the fund allocation for the purpose of conversion of these lands for cultivation, and we are able to develop the desert land, the desired result is not coming forth. We do find that even in the North-Eastern States, the wasteland development is being done. But we should see the result out of it, and the funds that are being provided to the North-Eastern Region should be compatible with those provided to other regions of the country. We should also see to it that the Wasteland Development Board does a very good job because it is being done only through the State Government agencies. In States like Andhra Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Orissa, Jharkhand, Bihar, etc., we find that a lot of wastelands are available. Now, the hon. Member, Shri Mandal, has been referring about China. I would like to submit to you that in China, the river water is being utilised for three purposes, even in the rural areas, namely, for drinking purposes, for irrigation and also for transport. In China, they are using the waterways in a bigger way. Sir, he quoted, China has got an ambitious plan to see to it that in five to six years' time, there will not be any people living below-the-poverty-line. India is a developing country, and has been recognised as one of the superpowers. But, when you keep 26 per cent of the population below-the-poverty-line, how can India, especially, the people living in the rural areas, develop? Here, I would say that the Rural Development Ministry, which is the nodal Ministry, a very important Ministry, has to do everything possible to achieve this. I want that the hon. Minister should give a thrust to this issue.

Then, coming to Panchayati Raj, the hon. Minister is a very dynamic Minister; he takes a lot of interest in Panchayati Raj institutions. Sir, this was actually envisaged by our leader, Shri Rajiv Gandhi. Today, 10 lakh women are ruling the Panchayati Institutions, and the credit goes to Shri Mani Shankar Aiyar because he has taken a lot of interest in that. But we have a complaint that in some of the States, the Amendments (the 73rd and the 74th Amendments) and the subsequent guidelines issued by your Ministry are not being strictly followed. This happens especially when the representatives of the Opposition party, and not the party which is in power in the respective State, are occupying position at the Zila Parishads or the Municipalities. The net result is that they are being crippled. The State is not providing them sufficient funds for development activities. I don't want to name the State; if I name it, Mr. Narayanan will quarrel with me. When the powers vested with the Panchayati Institutions, Zila Parishads and other Municipalities are taken over by the State machinery, then, how can we expect that the Panchayati Raj can be strengthened? As Mahatma Gandhi said, India lives in villages. So, the villages have to be strengthened. Infrastructure has to be created in villages. For doing that, the Panchayati Institutions should be strengthened. Unless and until the Panchayati Institutions are effectively and independently functioning, it will be very difficult to achieve the purpose for which they were created. Therefore, Sir, the Panchayati Institutions need to be given more powers; they need financial autonomy, not depending on the Secretary of the State Government to get the sanction for them.

(Continued by 3C)

3c/4.05/ks-mp

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY (CONTD.): Apart from that, they should also be given a free hand in the implementation of various schemes for developing panchayat and municipal areas. The hon. Minister has been talking about the 18-point agenda for improving the panchayati raj institutions. Hon. Minister, Sir, we are with you and we will be supporting you in your effort to strengthen the panchayati raj institutions, whichever party is there in power. Why panchayati raj institutions should be strengthened is because it is only the elected people in the villages and panchayats who really know the development needs of their area.

We all know what happens while planning in States is undertaken. People living in a particular area do not want certain projects. Still, those projects are thrust on them. All this happens because the planning process does not start from the grassroots level, from the village level and from the district level. It is thrust on the States. It is for that very reason that people, ultimately, do not get the real benefit of all these schemes. Sir, the community system in China is very effective. People living in a community sit together and decide what they need for the development of their village or community. Therefore, Sir, we have to really give democratic power to these panchayati raj institutions.

To be frank, Sir, hon. Members of Parliament and Members of Legislatures, actually, do not want power to be given to elected representatives at that level, simply because they want them to always be under their thumbs. Hon. Minister, Sir, please see to it that this power is delegated to them so that they function effectively and efficiently. I am saying this because the real vision of Rajiv Gandhi is yet to be fulfilled by you. Everybody has been questioning why we are giving power to women and they have been saying that we should not do that because women will not be able to function effectively. Today, most of the women are successful. But we are not allowing that to happen even in Legislatures and in Parliament. When we want to give 33 per cent reservation to women, everybody opposes. Some people consider their constituencies as a part of their inherited property. That is the problem. (Interruptions) I will speak everywhere, not only in Lok Sabha. Everywhere, I will say the same thing. Thirty-three per cent reservation should be given to women in Assemblies and in Parliament. Why? Fifty per cent of the voters of this country are women.

ߴ֟ ֵ : ֮ ?

. ִֵָ : ֯ ָָ ֚ ֻ ? ...(־֮֬)...

֚ : ֯ և ....֯ և ...(־֮֬)....

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Madam, there are some people who want to scuttle it. But it cannot be scuttled for all times to come. It is going to happen. Like the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme which is being implemented in the country, this is also going to happen and 33 per cent reservation to women will be given. And that is going to create another history in this country. (Interruptions)

ߴ֟ ֵ : 2006 ֮

. ִֵָ : 2006 ֮ , , ...(־֮֬)...

SHRI P. G. NARAYANAN: Why are you denying it?

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: We are not denying it? You know the forces that are opposing it. I don't want to go into the details.

SHRI P. G. NARAYANAN: But we are not opposing it. (Interruptions)

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Hon. Minister, Sir, I request you to give more powers to panchayati raj institutions. Yes, don't blame me for Pondicherry because we have not held elections. We are going to do it in the month of May. That has been decided already. Sir, I am very happy that within two years of UPA Government, enormous funds have been provided for rural development. But, unfortunately, State Governments are not utilising the opportunity for developing their States.

ֵ֮ ֻ ָ : ֓ ֻ ֕ , ? ..(־֮֬).. ָָ ָ ߅ ֓ ֻ ֮ ָ߲ ׻֋? ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ (. . . ׸֮) : ... , ך

. ִֵָ : ֯ ָ֟ ָָ ה, ? ...(־֮֬)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN : You need not reply to that.

ֵ֮ ֻ ָ : ֟ Ӭ ִ ֮֯ ׻ֵ? ...(־֮֬)...

֮ ֻ ӛ : ӓֵ֟ ־ , ֯ ָָ ...(־֮֬)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay. That is all. (Interruptions)

(Followed by 3d/tdb)

TDB-NB/3D/4.10

֚ : ֮֯ ײָ פ .... (־֮֬)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, please conclude.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Yes, Sir; I am going to conclude. ...(Interruptions)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): There are seven speakers from your party. If you take more time, then, you will be cutting into their time.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, as far as the Rural Development Ministry is concerned, I would like to say that when we go to various States, we find that various schemes are being implemented and the money is being provided by the Central Government. During the time of the NDA Government, we all new that although the schemes were announced, but funds were not being provided for it. But, now the position is, funds are being given, but the States are not able to implement various schemes. The State Governments should utilise this opportunity, implement the schemes so that the people living below the poverty line can come up. I am happy that the Rural Development Ministry is doing a good job. I want the hon. Minister to carry on with that. I request the hon. Minister for Panchayati Raj to strengthen the Panchayati Raj Institutions. In this effort, we are with you. Sir, I want a categorical reply from the hon. Minister of Rural Development about the proper implementation of the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme. With these words, I support the Demands of both the Ministries. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

ָ֕ (ֻ֓ Ϥ) : ֳ֬ , 74 ןֿ֟ ֮֟ ו֮ ִ ֟ , ִ þָ֕ ָ , Ծ־ã ָ , ִו ־ã ָ ָ ֯ ӡֵֻ ׾ָ֓ ָ ֮ , ֕ ӡֵֻ ֵ ӲӬ ֓ ׻֋ ֮֯ ִֵ פ, ׻֋ ֯ ֳָ

, ß־ ӡֵֻ, ו֮ ֓ ֕ , ֕ ӡֵֻ 韾, ָָ ־׬ dynamic ָ֟Ը ӡ ֟ , ß־ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ׾ֳ ֯ ׾ֳ ֻ ֕ ׾ֵ , 73 ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ֿ֟, ӡֵֻ ֚ ֵ ָ Ϥ ִ ӓֵ֟ ־ã ֳֻ ׻֋ ִ-þָ֕ ™ ִ - ֮ , ߵ ִ ӓֵ֟ ӡֵֻ , ׬ӿ Ϥ ִ ӓֵ֟ ָ ֮ ֮֋ ֋ , ֮ ָ ֻ ׬ӿ Ϥ ־ ֵ֤ ֕ Ϥ , ִֵ ָ ִ ӓֵ֟ ־ , ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ָ ֳ Ϥ ӓֵ֟ ׾׬־֟ ־ ָ ֋

, ֮ ߮ ßָߵ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ֻ adopt - ִ ӓֵ֟, ӓֵ֟ ״ן וֻ ׸֤, ־ ֨ן ָ ־ԯϣִ ֟ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ ֮ ׾֮֬ ٙ 243 ֮֯ ־ ֮ ׻֋ þֵֿ֢ ã, ꌿ֮ ״ָֿ ־ã , ו ׮ֵ׌ ֕ ֻ֕֯ ֻ֕֯ , Ϥ ס֯׸֤ ֻ ָ ׮ֵ׌ ׬ӿ Ϥ ־ ֵ㌟ ׮ֵ㌟ , Ϥ ָָ ׸ֵ֛ ָ , ִ ׮ֵ׌ ֟ ׻֋ ־ã ָ ׌ ־ ׮¯ , ӓֵ֟ ֕ ãֆ ׾ֵ ָ֮ ֟ , ָ ִ֟ ׌ ׮ֵ׌ ָ ֮ , ׻֋ ־ã ֮֮ߵ ӡ ־ ™ ׾ֵ ָ ׾ָ֓ ׮ֵ׌ ׻֋ selection ֮և ֋, ָ ™ߵ ׮־ԓ֮ ֵ , ן׮׬ selection committee

3E/AKG ָ ֿ:


AKG/3E/4.15

ָ֕ (֟) : ־ Ϥ ָָ ָ ֚ , וִ ן׮׬ , Ϥ ־ ֵ㌟ ׮ֵ㌟ ׻֋, ևә ׻֋ ָ ִ

, ִ ָ ֟ ׸ ׻֋ ־֮֬ , ֻ ٙ ֮֯ ֟ ߓִ ָ , և ֕ ׮ֵ׌ ָ֬ ֮֯ ס-׸֤ פ ߓִ ו ָ ָ Ϥ ־ ֵ㌟ ִ֮֮ , ֟ ׬ӿ Ϥ ָ ׮ֵ㌟ ־ ֵ㌟ Ϥ ָָ כ֙ , ׾ֳ ִ ֲ ־ ֮ , ָָ ֲ ָ ֙ , ָ ־ã , ׻Ù ֮֋, ִ , ֤ ִ ִ ֤ יױ֮ օ ָֿ߮ , ָֿ߮ ָָ , ָָ וֻ֬߿ , ָ ׸ֻ , ָָ ָ ׬ָ ׸ֻ և , ָ ߴ֮ ׸ֻ ֮ ֤ ֮ יױ֮ , ָ Ϥ ו ָ ֻ և ӡֵֻ , ׾ֳ ָ ׾ֳ ֟ , ָ ־ ֵ և ָ ֟

, ׮־ ֲ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ֻ ֟ , ו ָ ָ ֵ ָ ™ׯ֟ ֟ Ѭ ֲ ִ þָ֕ , ֳ ֻ ֟ӡ , ׻֋ ־ֿ ֻ , י , ָ ֯ פև ָ ־ã ־ֿ

, ָ ֟ ִ וֻ ׸֤, ӓֵ֟ ״ן ִ ӓֵ֟ ־֮֬ ß־ ִֻ֯ ߴ , ו֮ ָ ֟ , ߮ ßָߵ ֻ , ߮ , ִ ֲ ִ֮ ָ ִ ׾ ™ ӓֵ֟ , , Ϥ ָ ָ ִ ָ ߴ , ֮ֆ ߴ֮ , ִ ߮ ׬ӿ Ϥ ִ ӓֵ֟ ׬ָ פ ֵ ֯ ֕֙ ֮ , ִ 90 ןֿ֟ ֵ ִ ӓֵ֟ , ִ ӓֵ֟ ״ן 10 ןֿ֟, וֻ ׸֤ 10 ןֿ֟օ Ϥ וֻ ׸֤ ӓֵ֟ ״ן ִ ֟ꅠ ָ ֻ וֻ ׸֤ ָ ߆ָߋ ֛ ״ֻ ֟ ӓֵ֟ ״ן ָ ߛ߆ ָ ֛ , ֛ ׻֋ , ֣ ָ ׌ ֮ֆ ֵ֮֮ ָ ֮ וֻ

֮֯ ִ ־ã כÙ ֮ ״ן וֻ ßָ ָ וֻ ׮ֵ֮ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ã֋ ߅ ֯ 11 ӓ־ ֮ ֮֮ , ִ ֵ וֻ ßָ ָ ׮ֵ֮ , ָ֬ ֵ֮ ֋ ׻֋ ֮ ״ן ֚ ׬ӿ Ϥ , ׬ӿ וֻ ֮ ״ן ֮և ֟ , خ ߕ ֮և ֟ ״ןֵ ָ ֚ וֻ ׸֤ ײ֮ ׬׸ ãן , וֻ ׸֤ וֻ ִ׮֟ ו֮֟ ׾ֳ , ו֮ ִֻ֯ ִ֮ , ֛ ִ׮֟ , þ֓ ִ׮֟ , ִ ִ׮֟ ׾ֳ , ߛ ׾ֳ , ׬ӿ ׬ָ וֻ ׸֤ ֮ ד֟ ִ֟ꅠ פ Ϥ ӡ ֋, ׬ָ ֋, ֣ ֟ꅠ (3 ָ ֿ:)

3F/HMS-KLS/4.20

ָ֕ (֟) : ׸ִ וֻ ׸֤ ֻ ֓ ֤֮ ִ ִֻ֯ ™ ֟ , ִֻ֯ ״׮Ù Ϭ֮ ӡ ִ ֛ ֮ ֵ ֯ ָ ֬׸ ִ - ֕ ã֮ ָ פ , ֛ ֵ ו ߕ ֟ , ָ ã֮ ָ ֛ ֟ ָ þִ ׾ ֟ ز֤ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֵօ , ָ ֮֮ߵ ײָ ֕֯ ָָ 韾 Ϭ֮ ӡ ִ ֛ ֮ ֟ ֵ߅ ָ ָ ֮ ֮ ֛ ֮֟ , ָ ֌ ֛ ֮֟ 5 ֻ ָָ ™ ֮ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ׮־ ֬և ֮ ӟԟ ֕֙ ֮ ֻ ֜ ֻ ֜ , ָ ã֮ ָ ִ וֻ ׸֤ ָ ֟ ִ ו ֲ֤ 500 1000 ߓ , ֛ ֮֮ ϯֻ , ϯֻ ָ ֲ Ù ֻ ָ ׾ֵ֬ ֣ ܵ ӡ ֟֓ߟ خ ׾ֵ֬ ֣ ֟ וֻ ׸֤ ָ פ ֛ ã֮ ָ, ָָ , ׾ֵ֬ ֤ , ֛ ֟ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ãֆ ã֮ ֟ , - ػ , ִ ӓֵ֟ ״ן וֻ ׸֤ ֤֮ ֻ ֛ ־ֿ , ã֮ ֛ ֮֮ ־ ™ ׮־ ֯ ևև ֱ ׌ֆ , ׬ӿ Ϥ ߴ֮ ָ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ӡֵֻ ֤ ֳָ 7 ã֮ ָ ؙ דֽ ״ֻ ֯ - ֮֋ ֵ ֯ ֳ 150 ֵ ו֮ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ãֆ ֤֮ , ׮ֻ֓ ßָ ָ ָ ߴ֮ ָ ֟ ֆ ֳ ׾֮֬ ֳֆ ָ ״ֻ֮ , ß־ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ãֆ ֛-֛ ӓֵ֟ ֕ , ִ þָ֕ ֮֜ , ß־ ֲ ߴ֮ ֟ ֟ ׾ֵ֬ 00 ִ֟ ָ ־ָ ״ֻ ֵ ã֮ ? ֱ ֱ ֮ ֻ ։օ ׻֋ ָ ׾ָ֓ ־ֿ ׾ֵ֬ ן׮׬ , ֣ ָ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ãֆ ևӤ , ־ִ ִ֟ ָ ִֻ֯ ׬ӿ ꌙ , ߵ ָָ ָ ֵו֟ ꌙ , ָ ߴ֮ ׮ֻ֓ ßָ ָ ӓֵ֟

, ִ ӡֵֻ ָ ָ ֮֋ ֟ ׻֋ ָ פ ֟ ֮֋ ו֮ 75 ןֿ֟ ָָ 25 ןֿ֟ Ϥ ָָ , ׬ӿ ֮ֆ Ϥ ָָ 25 ןֿ֟ , ױ , ָ ָ ד֡ ֮ 25 ןֿ֟ ָ ָ ״׮Ùי ֯ߓָ ֻ פֵ ֟ ײػ ָ ֮ , ֯ߓָ ֻ פֵ ֟ 25 ןֿ֟ ֟ Ϥ 25 ןֿ֟ ״ֻ֟ ָָ ֻ ָ , ִֵָ ׾֢ߵ ϲӬ֮ ™ 31 ֓ ׸ߕ ָ ϣ ֻ (3 /ߋ־ ָ ֿ:)

PSV-SSS/3G/4.25

ָ֕ (֟) : ִ 25 ןֿ֟ ִ , ָ ָ ꮙ ә , ׸ߕ ֲ ׸ߕ , ӓֵ֟ ֋, כ֙ ֋, ָ ָ ֮֋ , ִ ִ ֋օ ֮֯ ִ ֛ ֮ ָ ֮֋ ״ִ Ӆ ָ ֮ Ϥ , ׌-׾ֿ ևԴ ֈ և פ ֵ֮ ֵ, כ ״ֻ, ׻֋ ֛ ֕ ֮ , ׾ֵ֬ ֤ ӡ ־֮֬ ™ ָ ׮֙ظ ׾וֻ ֻ 000 כ ָ ֬ ֯ ׬ָ ֻ ֋, ָ , ㆻ ָ֮ ֟ ׮ֻ֓ ã֮ ָ

֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֮֯ ֳ ֤ ֟ ׾וֻ ׮֙ظ ߕ ֮և Ϥ ָ֮ , ֮֯ ֮ Ϥ ֕ ֳ 0ߕ0 ִ -ָ ֵ֮ ׻֋ ֯ ֳָ ֌ ֯ ֮־֤ ֮ , ִ , ֲ ֮֯ ߕ ֮և , ֲ ֕ ָ ؙ ֤ , ִ , Ϥ ָָ ֮ֆ ֵԮֵ֮ , ָ ֤ ׾ֵ֬ ֮ וִָ , ו֮֟ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ãֆ ן׮׬ֵ ָ ֮֋ ָ ן׮׬ֵ ָ ֵ׮֟ , ׻ וֻ ꌙ ָ 000 ָ ֵ׮֟ ֟ ָ֮ ָ ״ֻ֟ ָ , ָ ㆻ , ֯ ֮

ִ֟ ֲ ֤֕ , ֤ ֕ ֵ֤ ֳ 10 ӓ־ ֮֋ ׮ և ֛-֛ Ԭָ ֳ ִ ׾֟ פ ׾ָ֓ ™ ָ ֮ ֵ , ִ ׮ֻ֓ ßָ ָ ֟ ֟ , ָ ָ֮ ևԅ ׻֋ ֕ ־ã ֮ ִ 74 ןֿ֟ ֻ ֕ ָ ֮ ٣ ãן ָ ֟ ׻֋ ִ ֵֻ֮ ׻֋ ֕ ־ֿ ֟ ָ ׬ָ , Ͽ׮ ׬ָ , , ֣ ֮ ָ--ָ ٣ Ӹ֮ ִ ? ֯ ֮ , ִ ֛ ֮ ִ ָ ֮, þ ֵӟ ָ ֮ ׮ ־ ֮ ־ ָ ֮ , ֲ ִ Ϥ ֮ ׾ֳ ֟ ִ ֮և ִ ֮ ׾ֳ וֻ ֋, וֻ 000 ֋ ׮ֵָ ӕ׮ֵָ , ִ ֋օ ֲ ״ֻ, ֲ ߿֮ ״ֻ, ֲ ִ ׸ ִ ֵ ֯ יև֮ ٙױ ֮ օ ׻֋ ָ ׮֙ظ ־ã ָָ ßָ ָ ֮-ן׮׬ֵ ßָ ָ ׾׬־֟, ָ , ֮ֆ ׾ , օ ֮֯ ֮ , ִ֟ ֵ֤ ָ ֕֙ כ ֤ ָ֜ ִֻ֯ ״׮Ù ֯ ֕֙ 31 ָ ֋ ױ ֟ ֋߅ ָ þ0 Ϭ֮ ӡ ֕߾ Ӭ ֵ , 15 ֟ , ֜ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֯ ֮֯ ״׮Ùי ֓ 85 ןֿ֟ ֟ , ㆻ 15 ןֿ֟ ֟ ™ָ֓ ֟ ™ָ֓ ֋ ״׮Ùי ֯כָ ֋... (3/000 ָ ֿ:)

NBR-KLG/3H/4.30.

ָ֕ (֟) : ֮ ָ ß׾ 15 ןֿ֟ ֟ ָ 15 ןֿ֟ ָ ִ פև ִ-ӓֵ֟ ִ , ִ-ן׮׬ ִ , ßָ ָ ָ ӛ ׾ ׬ָ וֻ ָ כֻ֮ ״ָֿ ָ ָ ׾ ׬ָ ׮ֵ㌟ , ָ ָ ָ ָ ־ã ָ ãן , ֕ ֻ ӓֵ֟-֕ ã֋ , ׻֋ ֮֯ ߆ָߋ ֮ ֿ֌ ã , ֵ֤ ׻֋ ֯ 230 ֕֙ , וִ 25 ןֿ֟ ֕ ָָ 75 ןֿ֟ ָ ָָ օ ׌ֻֿ ã , ׬ӿ Ϥ ߆ָߋ ָ וֻ-׸֤ , ׻ וֻ֬߿ וֻ֬߿ ״֮ ָ ãֆ ؙ և , ӡ օ ׸ִ ָ ֮ֆ ִ֬ ׾ ™ ִ , , ֻ ״׮Ùי ֯כָ ׻֋ ֓ ָ ִ ׾ ӡֵֻ ֮ֆ ֵ֮֮ ߆ָߋ ֤֮ , ׻֋ ִ , ֮-ן׮׬ֵ ״ֻ ֮ֆ ӓֻ֮ ־ֿ

֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ִ ׾ ӡֵֻ -׳ֻ ִ , ׻֋ ִֵ֠ ָ ׮ֵֻ ִֵ ֕þ ס֟ ׻֋ ׾֤׿ֵ ָ ׬ָ ָ֙ ִ ׌ ֵә פօ ָ֙ ֮ ֿ֌ ֛ ֛ ָ ָ ߴ֮ , ִ߮ פ օ ֕ ָ ־ã ֻ ֯ ֮ ִ߮ ֓ , ֓ ֯ ֮ ֯ ֕ ãן ָ Ϥ ֯ ևև ָ ׾ֳ , ו֮ ִ ӓֵ֟ , ӓֵ֟-֕ ãֆ ֵ ֋ , Ϥ ܵ ӡ ӡ ֋ , ֙ ָָ , ֙ ֟ , ß־ , ㆻ ӯֻߴ֮ ׾ֳ ִ ֕ ӓֵ֟-֕ ãֆ פ ֵ ׬ָ ӓֵ֟ ֳ ֋ ֋, ָֻ ׬ӿ ִ-ӓֵ֟ ִ ֮֟ ֟ ִ- ָ֙ ָ Ӳ׬֟ , ֟

ֳ֬ , ִ-ӓֵ֟ ֯ ִ ֵ , ִֻ֯ ӡֵֻ , ָ ֮ֆ ֵ֮֮ ׻֋ ֟ , ִ 11,000 ֵ ֮֯ ֵ ֮ ֵ֮ ָ ָ ֮ , ׻֋ þ֟ , ָ ״ֻ֮ , ִ ָ ֮֋ , ס֟ פ ֵ ִ ֮֯ 200 וֻ ãן ָ Ϥ ֲ ֵ ӓ ֵ, וֻ ֋

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): Mr. Bhardwaj, your party has been allotted forty-two minutes. Out of this, you have already taken twenty-three minutes. If you take more time, a very little time will be left to your colleagues. So, please, conclude now.

SHRI SURESH BHARDWAJ: Sir, I will just take two to three minutes. ָ, ֲ ָ ָ ֵ וֻ ֵ, ֳ ן׮׬, ו֮ ָ ׬׮ִֵ ֓ ָ , ػ ֙ ֤õ , ֵ ֵ ֵօ ֤ ־ ו ָ , ֕ ևԆָ߯ ׻֋ ֡ ׌ֵ ־ ֟ , ևԆָ߯ ־ ֮ ־ օ 3j/ ָ ...

AKA-USY/3J/4:35

ָ֕ (֟) : פ ־ ֮ ׻֋ ֮ þ , ִ ӓֵ֟ ֵ , ֯ ֕ ָ֬ ָ ֵ ֟ ߅ ֻ ָ Ϥ , ֻ֓ Ϥ ֲ 0 ָ ֻ 韾 ֻ ָָ , ִֵ ׮Ե ׻ֵ ֵ Ϥ ֻ ִ ӓֵ֟ ִ ֳ֋ , ִ ֳ, ֻ ָ ָ ״ֻ ׻֋ ߮ פ ֵ פ ֋, ־֕ ָ ׬ָ ָ ֟ ꅠ ָ ָ ֵ פ, ִ ֡ ׌ ֮ , ִ פ ֮֯ ִ ӓֵ֟ ָ , ֵ֤ ִ ״ֻ , פ ׬׸ ָ ִ , ױ ו ׻ֱ ֋, ִ ״ֻ ָ ㆻ ׌ , ו ִ ֺ ״ֻ֮ , ִ ״ֻ ֋օ

ִ þ֓ ֯ ֵ ִ ֳָ ֵֻ ֮֮ ֵ , ֮ ֟ ֵֻ ֮ ֟, ״֋ׯϋ ֟ ִ ֮֯ ֵ֜ , ׬ ֮֜ ־ֿ

׻֋ ָ ֵ ™ ׾ֳ ֯ ֕֙ ֮ ִ ׾ ӡ , ׻֋ ֬և , ׾ֳ ֯ ß֮ ֮֟ ׻֋, ß֮ ִ ־ã ָ ׻֋, ٣ ־ã ָ ׻֋ ׻֋ ß֮ ֱ , ߮ ֮֮ ־ֿ ߮ , ֱ օ ֋ , ֲ ָ ָ ֵ , ֤ ֮ , ֯ ו֋ ָ ִ ֟ , ָ ß֮ ֟ , ָ ֯ ӡֵֻ ִ ֜֋ ִ֟ ִ ־ã ָ ִ ִ ׌ ׾ ר ߅

֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ , ֮֯ ֮ ׻֋ ִֵ פ, ֯ - ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR (TRIPURA): Thank you, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to participate in this discussion. The departments of Panchayati Raj and the Rural Development cannot be separated from each other. One is dependent on the other, I think so. These departments are working in the basic mass areas, where crores of rural Indian people live. But the point is how to uplift this section of downtrodden people. In the Common Minimum Programme, it is stated about the Panchayati Raj that the UPA Government will ensure that Gram Sabha is empowered to emerge as the foundation of the Panchayati Raj. So, Gram Sabha is the foundation, which has to be strengthened. And, how it can be done, may emerge out of this discussion.

Sir, ours is a society where there are two classes of people -- 'haves' and 'have nots'. These two classes are diverged classes. These two classes of people pre-existed in the rural areas also. So far as the 'have nots' are concerned, they are afflicted with all sorts of sorrows and difficulties. They are the exploited class. (Contd. by 3k)

VP/4.40/3K

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR (CONTD.): On the other hand, those who are having money power, they generally have political power also. And, they belong to the category of the exploiting class. This was going on. That is why, since independence there has been a wide gap between men and women, the rich and the poor, and the rural and the urban areas. Now, when we think of empowering all Gram Sabhas, our aim should be to minimise these wide gaps. Sir, Panchayati Raj is an Institution to empower the poor. I told you that political and economic power, both money power and political power is vested with the exploiting class. Now if we can divert that political power to the have-nots, the purpose of Panchayati Raj will be served. Sir, we are doing it in our States. I can give you some examples. In the States of Tripura, West Bengal, and, perhaps, in your State also, the power is with the people. There is the Government directive -- in a ward, there are about a hundred or two hundred families -- that all of them should be invited irrespective of party affiliations. They assemble and will give their opinion on the topics. They directly give the opinion. The Controlling Officers take note of these things; about the plans, procedures, beneficiaries etc. The people are directly participating in this. Each and every person has the right to participate. So, empowerment is there. They are enjoying full-fledged democracy. Though Panchayati Raj is there in all other States also, I think, this Gram Sansad is not held everywhere else. By this system of holding the meeting of Gram Sansads, plans are taken up, which go to the Gram Sabha, then, they go to the block, and whole planning of the State is done. In this way, we are working there. Sir, by doing this, we have seen that villages are strengthened. When Panchayat elections are held, it depends on the political parties to see that Class B also plays a role there. In my State Tripura, in West Bengal and in other States where Left is running the Government, the representatives of working class; farmers, agri-labourers, beedi workers, are elected to the Panchyats. That is why, the Panchayat has become a mighty force in the hands of the rural people; the poor people. In this way, we have fought out the vested interests from power. In the villages, the vested interests have been fought out and empowerment is going on.

Sir, as far as women's reservation is concerned, it is written that 1/3 reservation for women should be there. But, in our cities, there are some districts where it has touched 50 per cent. We have given more reservation. Though it is 1/3, we have given more reservation. The Panchayat is very important because from the time of birth to that of death, all records are in the Panchayats. (Continued by PK/3L)

PK/3L/4.45

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR (CONTD.): All the Departments working in the villages come under the control of the panchayats, directly or indirectly. Our three-tier panchayats control the High Schools also. The High Schools also come under three-tier panchayat system. But the point is this. Here, in the Report, I have seen that about three million Members are elected all over the country. They are being trained. There are panchayat institutions where they are getting training. But what about the training of those who are in the administration? Their mindset has to be changed. It is a main hurdle in the way to progress. Those Members are getting training, but what about those bureaucrats, high and low? Their attention should be motivated. Their thinking should be motivated. So, all this is required. Sir, the hon. Member, Shri Narayanasamy, pointed out about Self-Help Groups. Excellent works are being done by the women in the Self-Help Groups, but the point is that there are two hurdles. One is, for their produces, there is no market. The other is that the banks functioning in those areas do not come forward to finance them. There should be some specific instructions from the Government, and, if possible, some enactment may also be made.

Sir, we are discussing the workings of the Department at a time when the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act has just been implemented. The moment is very important. What I have seen in the Budgetary provision is that the Central outlay is Rs.24025.62 crores. Last year, it was Rs.21033.00 crores. So, there is a marginal increase of about Rs.3,000 crores. I think, for 200 districts where special programmes will be taken up to guarantee employment to the rural people, this fund will not be sufficient. This Government should not be so miserly in allocating funds, in stretching out their hands. They should be more generous. And, what happened about the Sampoorna Gramin Rozgar Yojana (SGRY)? The hon. Minister is here. Sir, you have curtailed the budgetary provisions. The Food for Work Programme has been abandoned. Where you have to enlarge the benefits, where you have to enlarge the areas of their work, you are minimising. So, the aim and the actual programme do not tally. Therefore, I will urge upon the hon. Minister to see how the allocations could be enhanced and the Food for Work Programme could be restored. Sir, I would like to throw some light on the rural labour scenario. Of the total working force in our country, 44 per cent belong to rural areas. And, out of them, 66 per cent belong to agriculture sector. What is for them in the Economic Survey, we have seen. A male labourer, on an average, earns Rs. 56.53. A female worker earns, on an average, Rs.36.15. In our State, it is around Rs.100/-. It never comes below Rs.75/- and it goes up to Rs.150/- also. The All-India picture is like this. (Contd. by 3M/PB)

PB/3M/4.50

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR (CONTD.): So, how will the economic power come to them?

Sir, as far as the educational scenario is concerned, we have a very disastrous picture in our country because the rural education has to be taken care of by the Ministry of Rural Development and the Panchayati Raj is looking after schooling up to High School. ...(Time-bell)... Sir, I will take two-three minutes more.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): Your party had eleven minutes, and you have already taken twelve minutes.

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR: Sir, so far as the age group between 6-14 is concerned, as per the Economic Review, 20.9 crore children come under this category, and out of them about one crore children do not go to school. Sir, the number of school going children is about 20 crores. It is at the elementary level. Sir, if we see the picture at the secondary level, we see that the number of children at this level is around 3.5 crores. So, from 20 crores, at the middle level, this figure has gone down to 3.5 crores; around 16.5 crores children are missing at the middle school level. They become drop-outs. Sir, if this is the situation, how can you empower the children? At the higher education level, this figure comes to one crore only. So, from 3.5 crores, this figure comes down to one crore only. There also we again find that 2.5 crore children are missing; they have withered away. How can this be stopped?

Sir, my second example relates to the Prime Minister's Rozgar Yojana. In a reply to my question, the hon. Minister gave some facts. The fact is, in the year 2004-05, the number of applications received was 4,91,000 -- I do not want to go to the exact figures -- and, the sanction was made in favour of 2,47,000; just 50 per cent, even less than 50 per cent. Sir, when we go to the next year, i.e., 2005-06, we see that the number of applications came down to 2,92,000. So, from 4,91,000, it came down to 2,92,000. So, the number of applications is reduced to ...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): Please conclude. Mr. Sarkar, please conclude. There is time constraint.

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR: Sir, I am concluding. So, the number of applications has been reduced to half of the previous year. As far as the figure related to the sanctions made is concerned, it came down from 2,47,000 to 80,000 only. So, you can see how disastrous the picture is. Either banks are not sanctioning loans or there may be some mismatch between these two figures. As a result, the rural people are deprived of the benefits of the programme. ...(Time-bell)... So, this has to be looked into.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Please conclude because Shri Bashistha Narain Singh is waiting. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR: Sir, I will take only one minute. So, why is this happening? This is happening because the main area of concern is the land. The land is not taken care of. What is the actual figure? ...(Interruptions)...

׿š ֵָ : ֳ֬ օ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR: One minute, please. Only one minute please.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: He wants only five minutes. Otherwise, he will not be able to speak. ...(Interruptions)... Okay; one minute

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR: Sir, I will take only one minute. ...(Interruptions)... I am concluding. Sir, on this point, I will conclude. As far as the figure of surplus land in the country is concerned, it has risen to 6.3 crore acres. This is the figure of surplus land. Sir, in our country, the figure of agricultural labourers is eleven crores. We can easily distribute this land among them. The process of land reform has been completed in West Bengal; this has been completed in Kerala; this has been completed in Tripura also. This is the position about these three States. But what is the position in other States? ...(Time-bell)...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): That is enough. That is enough. Please conclude.

SHRI MATILAL SARKAR: If this surplus land issue is not taken into consideration, all other programmes will fail. So, this has to be taken great care of. Thank you. (Followed by 3n/SKC)

3N/4.55/SKC-SC

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now, the next speaker is Dr. Malaisamy. But since Shri Bashisht Narayan Singh would not be coming on Monday, he has made a special request for permission to speak. There are only five minutes left. If you allow him those five minutes, you can speak on Monday. It is his request. He would take only five minutes. Anyway, you want more time and your party has more time. Your party has eleven minutes. You could anyway not speak now because we are discussing this only up to 5.00 p.m., the rest will be taken up on Monday. So, let him use those five minutes.

DR. K. MALAISAMY: Sir, I shall take my turn on Monday.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Yes. You would get eleven minutes, the full time and even more. Mr. Bashisht Narayan Singh.

׿š ֵָ (ײָ) : ֳ֬ , סֵ ֟ ׻֋ ֬և ָ ִ ׾ ׾ֳ ֱ ֲי ӓֵ֟ ֕ ӡ , ӓֵ֟ ׬ָ ִ֮ ׾ , ָ ֮ ָ ֜ ִ , ֮֋ ֮ , ִ ßָ ָ ֲי , ֵԮֵ֮ ֻ֟ ׸̻ ֋ , ׻֋ ә ֵ - ׮ֵ , ָ Ӿ ׮ֵ ә , ָ , ֛ ָ - ֛ , ׿ ָ ׿ , ָ ׻֋ ־֮ ֻ֟ -ָ ֮֮ , ָ ׾ֳ ֟ ֳ֬ , ֮֟ ߵ ָָ ֮֋ , פ ֮ֆ ֵԮֵ֮ ֋, ӓֵ֟ ִ ֋ ָ ׮ִ ֮ ֻ ִ 7 ֳִ ׮֬׸ ֋ - ֓և , ֻ ٟ֯ , ֛ , ײֻ֕ , ־ , ߱ ׿ ׾ֳ ֟ ֳִ פ ֓ פ ֋ Ӿ ӓֵ֟ ִ ֮ ֋ ֵ ָ ֵ ׮֙ظ Ù , ֱ ׻֋ ןֵ֟ ָ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ӡ , ־ã , ֕ ָָ ״ֻ ֵ ֛ ֟ , ִֵ ָ ֲִֵ֨ ֮ ָ ֵ֤ ָ ׮ֳԸ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ֯ , ӓֵ֟ ֕ ֯ ׾ ׬ָ , ֵԮֵ֮ ֋օ ׻֋ ֮ֆ ֺ Ӿ ִõ֋ ָ, ֟ ֯ ֻ ָ פ Ӿ ִõ ׮֤֮ ֟ ֵ ֻ֋ ֋ ֲ ׌ ֜, ׬ ֤ ׸ָ ׬ ׬ פ 껱 ױ׿֋ә ֲ , ֲ ָָ ֮ ֮, ֲ Ӿ ִ֮ ָ , ߵ ֮ֆ ״ ֮ , ß ִ, ֵָ ֮֮ ִ ֲ , ִָ֤ ָ ׮ Ӿ ן׮׬ֵ ֟ Ͼע ֲ Ӥ ֜և ֋, ֲ ֮ֆ ֵԮֵ֮ ֮֟ ֮ ־ֻ , ֻ֮ ־ֻ , ֤ ־ֻ , ָ ־ֻ , Ӿ -ָ ָ֟ ־ֻ , Ӿ ֮ ֟ ָ ֟ , ָ ֮ֆ פ Ӿ ֵ׮֟ ֟ ׮׿֟ Ӿ ׾ ֻ ߵ ֮ֆ ֤֮ ֤ ׻ ֮֋ ֜߅ , ӟ , ֮֯ ִֵ פ , ֮ ֟ , ֲ ֤ פ ӓֵ֟ ߯י ֤֟ ׾ ֵ ֱ ֆ ד֟ ן׮׬֟, ܵ ד֟ ן׮׬֟, ӟ ׯ֔ ד֟ ן׮׬֟ ֻֻ ײָ ָָ ֟-֟ ߟ߿ ָ Ͽ֮ߵ ִ , ײָ ׾ ֱ ֻ ״ֻօ ֮ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ (ִ֯) (3 ָ )

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