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USY/2n/2.00

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (CONTD.): So, this is another aspect of the problem.

While coming to the beedi workers, another major problem is the housing problem. During the year 2004-05, you had taken housing programmes only in two districts of Andhra Pradesh, that is, Karimnagar and Vidarbha. Other districts have been ignored. There are twelve districts where beedi workers are concentrated. But you have taken up the housing programme only in two districts. So, I would like to request the hon. Minister to ensure that the housing programme is extended to the rest of the districts also.

Then, I come to the construction workers. There are neither Welfare Boards nor any Corporations for them at the State level. Though there are directions from the Government of India to constitute the Welfare Boards at the State level, yet, as far as my knowledge goes, there are no States where Welfare Boards or Corporations for construction workers have been created to take care of their needs and ensure their welfare. Many labourers, during construction, die because of falling from the rooftop. The plight of construction workers need a sympathetic outlook. Sir, due to paucity of time, I am rushing through these issues. There are many issues, but I am aware of the time constraint.

Another major problem is that of child labour. This is a growing and alarming problem in our country. The main cause of the child labour is poverty and illiteracy among the parents. As per 2001 Census, we have about one crore twenty-six lakh children in our country; while as per 1991 Census it was one crore thirteen lakhs. So, the number of child labour is increasing. We have many programmes, like the National Child Labour Project, but still the number of child labour is increasing. As per 2001 Census, it was one crore twenty-six lakh, but by this time this number would have crossed, at least, one crore fifty lakh. I would like to request the hon. Minister to look at the figures -- in Uttar Pradesh, there are nineteen lakh child labour; in Andhra Pradesh, there are fourteen lakh child labour; in Rajasthan, there are thirteen lakh child labour; in Bihar there are ten lakh child labour. And, ninty per cent of these children are working in the rural areas. They are mostly engaged in agricultural and allied activities, like, livestock, forestry and fishery. These children should be brought back to schools. We need to have more schools, more rehabilitation centres, and more programmes. When the figure is increasing, what for are the legal provisions there, what are the people, working at the lowest level in the Ministry and at the State level, doing? There are no prosecutions. If you look at the figures, during 2002-03, there were 2,650 prosecutions; during 2003-04, there were 6,386 prosecutions; during 2004-05, there were 1,716 prosecutions. But when we see the number of convictions, it is very surprising that in 2002-03, there were only 325 convictions; in 2003-04, there were only 3,910 convictions; in 2004-0l5, there were only 1,162 convictions. Sir, what does it go to show? Either you have lack of people, or, lack of persuasion, or, lack of commitment on the part of officials who are dealing with the issue of child labour. This issue needs more attention. The programmes of the Government of India as well as the State Governments have not at all been helpful to the people at the lowest level. When I am saying so, I am saying with authority. If you look at the wages of the beedi workers, the situation is like this. West Bengal is at the highest position, they are paying Rs. 140 per thousand bidis; Kerala is paying Rs. 132 per thousand beedis; Andhra Pradesh is paying only Rs. 56 per thousand beedis; Gujarat is paying Rs. 75 per thousand beedis. Why is this disparity there? When same amount of time is devoted, same amount of skill is required, same amount of labour is being put in by a particular individual, why is this disparity there? I hope the hon. Minister will try to reduce this gap, not by reducing the wages of West Bengal or Kerala people, but by raising the wages of Andhra Pradesh people. (Contd. by 2O -- usy)

USY/2o/2.05

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (CONTD.): Sir, this is a very important aspect.

The next issue, which I would like to take up, is that of women workers. So far as women workers are concerned, I would like to request the hon. Minister to review the programmes. There have been a number of news reports regarding the harassment of women workers during the night shift. Again, due to paucity of time, I am unable to go through all these news items.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI RAM NATH KOVIND): Mr. Reddy, you have already consumed ten minutes, that is, three minutes more than what was allotted to you. So, please do conclude.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Okay, Sir. That's very kind of you. So, there have been so many such reports. Now, I quote Shri Ishwar Chand Vidyasagar, "In a country where men have no sensitivity, let no unfortunate women be born there. Oh woman! what sin you have committed that you should be born in India?" True, it is disgusting to analyse the society attributed towards women in India. Sir, things have not changed so far, more particularly in the Industries where the women work in night shifts. They are assaulted; they are harassed. The cases of women harassment and assault are increasing because of lack of prosecution personnel at the lowest level, lack of interest. Because of poverty, because of fear of courts, the convictions are very, very low. The management should be called to the table and should be directed properly to take care of women workers, especially when they are in night shifts.

Sir, now, I come to migrant labours. There are inter-district migrants; there are inter-State migrants. We have Inter-State Migrant Labour Regulation of Employment and Condition Service Act, 1979. It is mandatory on the part of the authorities to register the names of the labourers who migrate to other States. This registration is mandatory in both, in his own State as well as in the State where he is migrating. But there is no record anywhere. Take the case of my own district, that is, Mahboobnagar, where it is expected that 8 to 10 lakh workers migrate every year, but no register is maintained. Nobody bothers to register their names. Recently, I had also raised an issue in this August House. In Meghalaya, there is a town called Johai. People from Mahboobnagar, Chenchus, the primitive tribals, went to Johai town of Meghalaya to work in an electricity power plant, where some people died and many of them are working as bonded labourers. The news appeared in the newspapers. An organization, called Mahboobnagar Labour Workers' Union, went to Meghalaya. They reported the matter there as well as in the State of Andhra Pradesh also. But nobody bothered to take action against the erring officers. On 26th January, 2006, they were forced to come over to New Delhi. They tried to commit suicide at the India Gate on the Republic Day. Sir, you might have seen the reports in the newspapers. This is the plight of labourers of Mahboobnagar District of Andhra Pradesh. It is mandatory to register the names of migrating labourers both, in their own State as well as in the State where they migrate. I would like to request the hon. Minister to look into this aspect. Another aspect of the problem is rather more important. This is regarding the labourers who go to other countries, like, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, in search of work. It is most surprising and stunning that more than 50,000 labourers are in jails in Dubai and Saudi Arabia. They had gone there in search of work on visitors visa. They overstayed there. Once the visa is over, they are treated as illegal migrants. They are put in jails. Initially, when they were taken there, they were offered about 600 dinars per month. But, when they reached there, they were paid 400-500 dinars. After the expiry of their visas, the employer runs away and these people are put in jails. When the matter was raised in Andhra Pradesh, the hon. Minister came out with a figure that it was incorrect to say that 50,000 people were in jails, only 17,00 people were in jails. This is the statement of the hon. Minister from Andhra Pradesh. (Contd. by 2p -- VP)

VP/MP/2.10/2P

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY (CONTD.): I will pass it on to the hon. Minister here. Sir, the employers say it is the duty of the labourers to bear the expenditure for return travel. They do not have money. They need more money to come back to their native place. For that simple reason they are in jails in the Gulf countries. This is the most alarming situation. In one State...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI RAM NATH KOVIND): Mr. Reddy, please conclude now.

SHRI RAVULA CHANDRA SEKAR REDDY: Sir, I am concluding. Sir, from Andhra Pradesh alone, as per the official records, there are 17,000 people in the jails in the Gulf countries. Sir, I hope the hon. Minister will not say that it is not the job of his Ministry or the External Affairs Ministry. It is the collective responsibility. It is the responsibility of this Ministry to see that the very nomenclature is be changed. Earlier we used to call it, 'The Labour Welfare Ministry.' Now, the 'welfare' part is gone. You are calling it, The Labour and Employment Ministry. So, you have to change the nomenclature. Even in the States we have the Labour Welfare Minister, but here the 'welfare' part has gone from the records. Now they only say, the Labour and Employment Ministry.

According to officials records 17,000 people are in jails? What will happen to these people? Please take urgent action so as to get back those people to India and to their respective places. In Khaleej Times the Minister in the United Arab Emirates says this and I quote, "The employers are asked to bear the
Visa fees". So, it is in between the employers, the Government of that country and our Ministry, it is the duty of the authorities to see that they are brought back to their respective places.

With these words, I once again repeat and request that necessary, urgent action is taken as far as these labourers are concerned, and problems of beedi workers, problems of child labour and women workers have to be taken care of. With these words, I conclude. (Ends)

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ASC-PK/2.15/2Q

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AKG-PB/2R/2.20

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SHRI MANOJ BHATTACHARYA (WEST BENGAL): Thank you very much, Sir, for having given me the opportunity.

Sir, at the very outset, I must express my gratitude to my hon. colleague, Shri Chittabrata Majumdar, for raising the discussion on the working of the Labour Ministry.

Sir, in the minds of many, the globalisation has become equated with the global application of the so-called Washington consensus, which can be taken as eleven key commitments. Sir, the commitment number four is labour-market flexibility, and the sixth is -- I am not going into all the details -- weak property rights over human assets, particularly, the skill.

Sir, you are also aware that the world's economy has become more integrated, and, at the same time, more unstable. Sir, today only I could get the Annual Report of the Ministry of Labour and Employment whose working we are discussing now. Even though I enquired about it two days back, but it was not available. It could be made available only today. Sir, it is very interesting, and because the time was very short at our disposal, I could not go through it thoroughly. But, even on the basis of whatever glimpses I could make, I would like to make some observations. First of all, I am sure that the hon. Ministers would not take me otherwise that this report is quite shabbily-made. We must take some serious action against the persons responsible for it. I am also pained to hear that the Hindi version of this Report is not available, could not be made available. That is also a point which has been raised by some of the hon. colleagues.

Sir, I will just make certain comments. You are aware, Sir, and the entire House is aware that along with the rise in the GDP, the inflation has also gone up. The money value has been eroded, the real wages have been compromised, and it has been compromised very badly. But, very unfortunately, the Minimum Wages Act, 1948 could be amended only in 1986, i.e., long twenty years back. I would like to quote from page No. 46 of the report of the Labour Ministry. I quote, "The Minimum Wages Act, 1948 was last amended -- it is their own submission -- in the year 1986 and at present, a comprehensive amendment is under consideration of the Government. As per direction of the Cabinet, draft proposals were circulated on 02.07.2001 to all the State Governments and the Union Territories administrators for obtaining approval of the respective Labour Ministers." It was in the month of July, 2001, 2nd July, 2001, and, Sir, we are discussing it today. Today, it is 17th March, 2006. So, Sir, just imagine what is the condition of labourers in general. That is why, Sir, we say that unfortunately this is a situation where because of the economic policy that is being pursued -- earlier it was being pursued vigorously; now also, it is not being pursued less vigorously -- the labour is at the receiving end. The labourers are being cheated very shabbily, and it is quite evident from the fact that for more than five years, this question could not be settled and the Minimum Wages Act could not be amended. For the poor labourers for whom you shed tears, for whom Governments after Governments shed tears, particularly, for the unorganised sector workers, informal sector workers, the minimum wage could not be revised up till now.

(Contd. by 2s/SKC)

2S/2.25/SKC

SHRI MANOJ BHATTACHARYA (CONTD.): Some of my colleagues have raised this issue. I am not going into details. I would just ask the hon. Minister, through you, Sir, firstly, when this revision of the Minimum Wages Act is going to take place, and, secondly, when you are going to put a mechanism in place whereby this matter would be properly surveyed and scrutinised and those not paying the minimum wages would be penalised. I ask the hon. Labour Ministers, through you, Sir, how many employers have been arrested; how many cases have been instituted against these sorts of employers who forever refuse to pay minimum wages, even though it has not been amended for over twenty years. That is the first point.

(THE VICE-CHAIRMAN, PROF. P.J. KURIAN, IN THE CHAIR)

Sir, again, in the same report, on page 48, it is stated, "The Payment of Bonus Act, 1965, provides for payment of bonus to the employees of factories and establishments employing twenty or more persons." Now, Sir, I must say, across the board, bonus is being accepted as a deferred wage. The Bonus Act was last amended twenty years back. In the Labour Ministry's Report, in para 5.20, it has been stated that a proposal to amend the Payment of Bonus Act, 1965 so as to enhance the eligibility limit from Rs. 3500 to 7500 per annum, and calculations within the ceiling of Rs. 2500 to Rs. 3500 per annum, as per the recommendations of the Second Labour Commission, is under consideration of the Government in consultation with all concerned.

Now, the problem is that this was last amended, if I remember correctly, in 1994. Thereafter, for a long period of twelve years, the value at which the bonus will be decided has not been revised at all. When is that going to be revised? Once again, I would say that the real value of that money has eroded. It has now gone down. Even if you calculate it on the basis of any ordinary Consumer Price Index, you would see that the value of money has eroded. So, when are you going to amend this Bonus Act properly and increase the ceiling, as also the eligibility? I say this because many of the employers are taking undue advantage of this situation and they are playing foul with the employees.

Sir, it is a fact, as my erudite colleague, Shri Chittabrata Majumdar, has also said, that even the bilateral agreements, where there is a legal binding on the employers, are being flouted at will, and are being trampled at will. Even in the organized sector, there is a tendency in some -- I don't say in all -- to coerce the workers in the organized sector, who have earned some rights by dint of their sheer struggle, sacrifice and even deaths, to dispense with their right of collective bargaining. They have earned the right of collective bargaining with struggle. But, unfortunately, over a period of time, we find that this right of collective bargaining is being dispensed with. Employees' unions, workers unions, are being de-recognized and some of the companies, some of the corporates, both multinational and local, are party to it.

Sir, there is a very interesting reference that I would like to make. There is this company -- I am not naming the company -- which is one of the big corporate houses in Mumbai. It is one of the big corporate houses in the pharma sector with its head office at Mumbai. In their six-monthly report, they have reported that de-unionisation of certain divisions is a programme of theirs to woo the confidence of the shareholders. They have put the de-unionisation of certain divisions in black and white. What is the result of that de-unionisation? They are saying that they have successfully revamped the divisions, increasing their flexibility and productivity and the strength of this division goes from 350 to 450, and unionised field-force of branded formulations has therefore, decreased from 42 per cent to 16 per cent.

Sir, I can authenticate this; I am carrying this report with me. If the hon. Minister so desires, I could give it to him. I shall sign it, authenticate it and give it to you; please, don't worry about that. So, what is the situation? The situation has aggravated during the rule of the anti-people regime of the National Democratic Alliance coalition.

(Contd. by 2T/HK)

HK/2t/2.30

SHRI MANOJ BHATTACHARYA (CONTD.): ... ..when Shri Sharad Yadav was the Labour Minister, he tried to protect the labour but he failed and then he was shifted from the Labour Ministry. Unfortunately, Sir, that trend is not being reversed. With the installation of the UPA Government, when the people rejected the NDA Government and voted the UPA to power and the National Common Minimum Programme was declared, we expected, some of us expected, even though foolishly, sometimes it appears to me, that something would be done to labour and labour would get some advantage. At least, the injuries inflicted on labour across the board during that regime would be corrected and some of the trends would be reversed. But, unfortunately, I am very sorry to submit to you, Sir, that that has not been done. Perhaps the Labour Ministry is continuing to be in slumber. I am just asking the hon. Labour Minister, and he should not take it personally otherwise. When will he kindly wake up from his slumber and take note of the situation? The labourers in this country produce for this country and if they continue to be dealt with so shabbily, what will be the fate of this country? This involves a great majority of the nation. When will you take care of the situation and how will you take care of the situation? Would you please come out clearly? The bilateral agreements are being flouted and trampled. The courts have given verdicts in favour of labourers and trade unions, but the management and employers are, at will, flouting the court verdicts. Contempt of court cases are going on. A large number of cases are pending in the High Courts, Supreme Court. I had a question only a few days back where I came to know that millions of court cases are pending in High Courts and the Supreme Court. If you go to the Labour Courts, it is perhaps in billions, and whatever judgements or verdicts these Labour Courts give, the employers are absolutely free today to trample or play with that, and the labourers are at the receiving end. I don't say that jobs have been contractualised, it is not only that, or the casualisation of jobs have taken place. (Time-bell) Sir, I will conclude, don't worry. But what is happening now? The organised sector workers are being treated the same way the unorganised sector workers are treated. We promised that we would take care of the unorganised sector workers. We have shed our tears that we shall take care of the unorganised sector workers because 91 per cent of the workers are in the unorganised sector. Instead of taking care of their problems, we are pushing the organised sector to the unorganised sector or we are treating them in the same way as the unorganised sector workers are being treated so long. Sir, I am sure that you will agree with me. Kindly allow me to quote Adam Smith. I do not follow Adam Smith; I follow the Economics of Karl Marx and I am very proud to follow it. I am not quoting Karl Marx; I am quoting Adam Smith to whom you also owe your allegiance. Sir, Adam Smith is telling long back, "A plentiful subsistence increases the bodily strength of the labourer; and the comfortable hope of bettering his conditions and ending his days perhaps in ease and plenty animates him to exert that strength to the utmost." This is being told by Adam Smith. And what Henry Ford is saying, whom this Government is trying to follow very blindly -- the American economy, the American way of life? Henry Ford, the master of American development of capitalism is saying, "A low wage business is always insecure." And, Sir, in this country of ours, this is being practised vigorously. That is why, we say that this is the dispensation of voiceless growth and jobless growth. If I come to the jobless growth, this problem of unemployment is inextricably intertwined with the conditions of labourers. The condition of labourers deteriorates when the unemployment level goes up. What is the unemployment level in the last ten years? I do have the statistics from 1993-94 to 2004. Kindly allow me to quote. I quote, "The unemployment growth has risen from 1993-94 to 2004 in males from 5.6 per cent to 9 per cent in rural areas, and in urban areas, it is 6.7 per cent to 8.1 per cent. In females, it is more dangerous situation. It is 5.6 per cent to 9.3 per cent in rural areas and 10.5 per cent to 11.7 per cent in urban areas." (Contd. 2u)

KSK/KLG/2.35/2U

SHRI MANOJ BHATTACHARYA (CONTD): And, the unemployment rates varied sharply across the States. The States, where the wages are higher than in neighbouring ones because of strong bargain or social security provisions such as high minimum wage, had high incidence of unemployment in general. This is a peculiar phenomenon and unless you take care of this, unless you look into this thoroughly, unless you look into this in totality, perhaps, we are leading ourselves towards a situation where we are only looking at the islands of prosperity and these islands of prosperity will collapse. (Time-bell) I am just concluding. Sir, I believe that the Labour Department, which the hon. Minister is handling, is the most important Department of this country. Unless this is taken care of, the situation in the country will be very bleak and the Government will not be able to maintain law and order. There will be a situation when the civil war will become imminent. People who have been pushed to the wall, at one point of time, out of desperation they will retort back, and when they will retort back, nobody will be there to protect this elite class. This elite of the country which is now enjoying the fruits of this so-called globalisation, this so-called neo-liberalism, will also be collapsing and the situation will become very bad for this country. So, I shall appeal, through you, Sir, to the Labour Minister to kindly be mindful about the situation, and kindly take care of the situation within the constraints that that you have. I will not say that he should be able to overcome all the constraints that he has, that have been imposed on him by these ominous economic policies. But, do try to see, do try to work an extra mile to protect the interests of the working class of this country. With these words, I conclude. Thank you. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): Shri Narayan Singh Kesari - not present. Shri Bashistha Narain Singh.

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, ָ ״֡ և ꌙ 7 ָ ֆև ꌙ 37 ָ ׻֋ ֮ ֮, ׻֋ ֕ ֟ ִ֮  , ׻֋ ߾ֻ ִ ׻֋ ֮ ֮? 2/ ָ

AKA-GSP/2W/2:40

׿š ֵָ (֟) : , ִ ־ֻ ֕ ִ ֮ ָ ֓ ? ִ ֮ ָ ֓ ׻֋ ָ֤֕ , ָ֤ , ָ ָ ٣ ãן ָ ֛ ֛ þֳ׾ ֤ ׬ ׬ ֜, ӕ ׬ ׬ ֋, ָ ֳ֟ , ֤ ׬ ָ ֟ ֛ ֮ ָ ֜ ֻ ֋ ָ ܵ פ-ןפ Ӿ ֟ ֋, ֛ ִõ ָ ״֡ ֤ ֮ ־ã ãן ֲָ ׻֋ ӡֵֻ ָ ֮ , ִ ׻֋ ִ ֵ ֵ ֵ ִ ֵ ֮ ßןֵ, ׸ ָָ ׸ פ ֱ ִֵ ֵ, ֕ ָָ ׮Ե ָ ָָ ־ ֺ , ָָ ϵ ֺ פ, ָָ ָ פ, פ ן , ևԅ ֮ ֮, ֲָָ ֟ ֓ ֟ ָ ٌÙ ״֡ ָ ֺ ֓ և ָ֬ ָ ָ ָ ׮ִ ֋ ָ֬ ֮ꅠ ֮ ״ ָ, ָ, ֮ ֮ ָ ָ֬ ֮ ֕ ָ ָ ֓ ֻ և ֛ ָ ֛ , և ֛ ָ פ ָ ׻֋ ꙸ և ִ ָ י և ׻֋ ־ֻ ָ ֟ ׾ָ֓ ֛ ָ ִ ֮ ֟Դ֮ ׸ãןֵ ָ ִ և ׻֋ ֤֯ӛ ãׯ֟ ִ և ײ׾ֵָ , , ֳ֬ , և ־ֻ , ו֮ ׻֋ ִ ֮ ֮ -- ֲֻӤ ãן , ãן , ֮֮ פ ֋, ֮ ֮ ֋, ֲֻӤ ׮ִֵ , ֳ ־ֻ ׾ָ֓ ßָ ָ ֻ , ֲ ֯ ־ֻ ָ֤֕ ן, ֕ ֻ , פ ָ ִõֆ ֋, ֋ ߅ ָ֤֕ ֵָ פ ֱ Ͼע ֵָ פ ӕ ֮֜ Ͼע , פ և ָ ָָ , ִ ӡ , ָָ ߵ֟ ׾ֳ ֻ֮ , ֮֟ ָ ִ ӡֵֻ ִ֟ ֱ ׮ֳԸ ָ߸ ׾߮ ֋, ֮ ֱ פ ׾ֳ ׾߮ ֻ פ ׾ֳ ׾߮ ֋, ֛ ִõ ׻֋ ֮ פ ֮

, ֮ ֮ , ָ ֮ ֓ ֟ ֤ ָ ֓ , Ͼ ֤֕ ֮օ ('2X/MCM' ָ ָ)

MCM-SK/2X/2-45

׿š ֵָ (֟) : ָ ֕ ֱ ܵ ֤֕ ֮ Ӹ ״ֻ ? פ ָ ֮ ֋, ׻ ֺ ֋, ָָ וִָ ֺ ֋, ֲ ״ֻ ? , ϴ , ִ ״ֻ օ ӕֲ ֲ ӟ ܵ ӡ ײָ ָָ ӡ օ פ ײָ 25 ֤֕ ׬ֵ֮ և ߅ ָ ֵ , ָ 25 ֕ ߮ ָ ֋ ֣ ֤֕ ׸ָ ֤õ ֣ ֓ , ׻֋, ײָ ֤֕ ֓ , ӟ־֮ ׻֋ ָ ֤֕ ֻ֟ , ֵ֮ ֵ ִֵ ֤֕ ֱ ֳֵߟ ꅠ ֮ ֤ ӟ ֵ ֤ ֙ ָ ӟ ױ ӕֲ ײָ ֤֕ ֮ פ , ָ ֵ ֟ ֟־ָ ֮ ֵ , ׻֋ ֯ Ͼ ֤֕ ׻֋ ֮ ֮ ӿ֮ ֣ ӕֲ ׸ֻ ֮ ׸ֻ ֮ , ϵ ֯ ־ ? ־ פ ꅠ ָ ־ פ פ ֤֕ ֋ ׻֋ ׮֙ظ Ù ֯ ֕ ֋, Ͼ ֤֕ ֱָ ׻֋ ߴ ֋ ӟ ֤֕ - ֋ ֻ֟ ֯ ׳֕־֮ ִ ֟ ׻֋ ӟ - ֵ 25 ֤֕ ֟ ֻ֟ ߮ ߮ Ӥ ׳֕־֮ ִ օ ֕ ӑߵ ӓ Ͼ ֤֕ ֣ ֵ ֟ ֮ ִֵ ߅ , ֕ ֺ ֋֮, וִ 000 , 000 , ߙ , , ׮ֵ֮.....(־֮֬) ָ, -߮ ״֮֙ ִֵ ꅠ ִִ ָָ

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN:): Please conclude now. Your time is over.

׿š ֵָ : , ִ ӡֵֻ ֟߅ ֕־ָ ֕ ֚ ֟ ֋, ׮ֵ֮ ֟ ֋, ֳ ָָ ֱ׸ ֋ ֲ ӡֵֻ ִ ֮ ϳ־ָ ֮֮ ׮Ե ״ ִ , ޛÙֻ ָ ߮ ֮ ִֵ , ֮ ֟ ִ֯ (ִ֯)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN:): Thank you, Bashishta Narainji. Shri Abu Asim Azmi, please remember, your time is only ten minutes. You will have to conclude within that.

ִ ̴֕ (ָ Ϥ) : ָ, ֳָ ӯ -ָ ӛ ִ ״׮Ù ֵ ָ ֓ ״ֻօ ־ ֟ ָ ֕ ïֻ 꿓֮ օ ֲ ӡ ֯ ֮ ׸ , ֚ ָ ߮ ִأ ֵ֟ ֣ և Ӆ 17 ׸ , ו ֤ 75 և 19 և ֤ ׸ ֚ ָ ߮  ֕ ָ ִ֮ ֻ ֋ ֕ ֮ ָ֮ (2Y ָ ֿ:)

GS-YSR/2Y/2.50

ִ ̴֕ (֟) : ֕ ֻ ֵ ֻ֟ , ָ embroidery, ֛ ֮ ֯ , ֛ ֤֕, embroidery ֤֕ ו֮֟ , ֮ ֛ embroidery ָ֕ , ָ ֵ , ִ ß ֤֕ ָ ָ ִ , ֜ ִ , ָ ָ ־ָ Ӥ, ־ָ ֤ ֻ֟ , ֿ߮ ֮ ָ, 100 ֤ ִ , ָ 4 ֤ ִ , ָ ָ ֕ ִ ָ ӡֵֻ ֵ ָ ֓ , ֺ ָ ֤֕ ָ , ֵ? ׮ֵ ָ ߕ ֮ ֟ ָ ֲ ׮ֵ ִ֮ , ָ ֤֕ ׮ֵ ֮ ָ, ֺ ߕ ָָ ֳ ׯ֔ ָָ ֻ , ָָ ߅ ָָ ™ߵ ִ ָ ָ ߴ և ׸ָ ֤ 60 ֵ ֲ 100 פ ִ ״ֻ, ָ ׸ָ ӓ ֤ , ֛ ֵ 6000 ֵ ״ֻօ ֟ ֲ ָָ , ß ׮ , ֮ , ָ ָָ ? ָָ ֲ , ָ ֮ , ֮ ׻֋ ָָ ֤ ֤ ׻֙ , ָ ֮ ָ ֮֟ ֯ ׯ֋ ֟ , ָ ֟ .., ִ֕ ֜ ׻֋ ֵ 00 ִ֮ , 52 ֻ ֣ ָ֯ , 00 ָ פֵ 㴲և ֵ 35 ֻ ֤ ָ߲ ָ ֮ , ֻ , ִֻ ֕ ֟ , פ, և פ Õ֤ ִ֮ ֧ ׸֤ Ӥ ֟ , ֕ ֮ ֣ פ ָ ָ ֓ ֻ , ֻ ֵ ֯ 㴲և ֟ 㴲և , ו ӑև ֮֮ , 㴲և Ӥ ׳־ӛ ׯ֔ פ ò ֵ־ ֻ ֵ, ֓ , ش ֈӛ , ָ ׮ׯ׻֙ ָ , ֮ ֓ ִ ָ ߮֟ ߅ פ ֓ ׻ֵ, ֓ ָ ֵօ ָ ֟ , ֣ ֓ ָ ֲ ֮ , ָָ , ֣ 㻴 ֤ ֮ פ ֵ, ײֻ ֵ ָ ֓ ֮ - ֮ , ָ , ֈ ֮֟ , ֲ ֟ ֻ ֮ ָ ֲӤ , , ֻ ָ , , ֲ ׸֟ ֮ ֻ ָ , ָ , ߱ , ֮ ֻ ָ ָ ֛ ֛ ׸ ֟ , ֮ , ָ ָָ ׻֋ ֛ ? ׸֟ ֛ , ײ֮ ׸֟ 㴲և Ӥ ׻ ֵظ ֤ ָ פ, ֓ ֟ ԅ ӡ ׻ פ, ׮֯׻֙ - ֵ, ֱָ - ӡ , ֻ֮ ֻ , ֱ ևָ , 60 ָ ֵ , ״ֻ, ֻ֮ ֻ ׻ , ߮ ֵ, ֮ ֮, ָ ꌙ ֮ܵ ֜ , ֮ ִ , ֤ ֮ ֻ-֓ ֮ ֤ 100 ֵ ֟ , 101 ֵ ֮ ׿ֿ ֮ Ӿ , ֮ ׿ֿ ֛-֛ ֮ ױ פ ֵ , ֲ ™ָ֓ (2 ָ ָ)

SC/VKK/2.55/2Z

ִ ֕ʹ (֟) : ӕ׮ֵ , ָ ֛ , ߕ ֵ, ߴ ߬ ָ ָ ֻ ֋ ױ ֻ ֟ , ָ ֤֕, ָ - ָ ָ™ ָ ֋, ֮ - ߴָ ָ , ֮ - , ׻֋ ӡ ӡֵֻ ӡֵֻ ֋ִ ׻֋ ֛ ָ, ָ ֓ - ׻֋ , ӲӬ ֈ ѱߛ ָ ֓ ӲӬ ױ ֟ ֟ , ߱ ָ ֤״ֵ ֤ ׿ֵ֟ ֟ , 999 ֤ ִָ , ֤ ׿ֵ֟ ֮ ָ ֻ ֟ ָ ־ֵ ֣ ֛ 㻴 ָ , , ֮ ״ֻ - ָ , ß ָ, ָ , ָ ָօ ׻֋ ָ ֯ ֮ ִ ֛ ָ ֟ ֋߅ ו ֤ ӓ , ָ ֋ ״ֻ֟, ӓ ָ ֋ ִָ

ָ ֟ ָ ָ 2001-02 ָ Ӆ 13 ײ׻ֵ֮ ׸ ָ ֲָָ ֵ߅ , ֮ ֻ-֓ ֟ - ֵ ֟ 101 ֋ ֮ ׿ֿ ָ ֲ ָ ֮ ֟ , ֲ ׻ֵ֟ ״ֻ֟ ִ ֟ ָ ָ ֟ ֲ ָ ָ֮ ֟ , ָ ָ™ ӡ, ϱ ֙ ָ , ֮ פ֮ - ׌ ָ ֮ ״ֻ ֵ֟ , ֤֕, ָ - ֲ ֻ-֓ , Ӥ , ֲ ߮ ָ ֮ ִֵ, ָ ֮ כ֮ ָև ֵ 1700 פִ , 2100 פִ ֟ ֮ ׼ , ֜ 2100 ֟ ָ ? ֯ ײ֛ ֵ ֵ֕ ֵ ֜ ָ ß֮ ֮ ׻֋ - 450 פִ, ֟-֚ ָ ׸ ֵ ׻ֵ֠ ֟ ׻֋ ָ ֤֕ ֮ -߮ և , ִ ֛ ִ , ֮֯ ֛ ֮ ֟ , ֛ ֡ ֟ , ָ ֟ ̸֧֕ ֟ , כ֮ ߕ ָ - ֻ ߕ ֟ - ֱ ִֿ ֟ ִ ֯ ָ כ֙ ß ו֋ ֤֕ ֟ , ߱ և ָ ߓ ִ ֵ֕, ֲ ֤֕ ֻ ֟ , ָ ïָ ֮ ׻֋ ״ֻ֟, ֲ ֮ , ׸ؙ , ׻Ù ִֿ ֟ ֤ ֲ - ׸֟ ֟ ׻Ù ֟ ִֿ , ֕ ֟ ָ, ֕ ֜-׻ , , ߴ ֋, ֱ և ֻ ָ ָ, ו - Ӥß , ߴ כ֮ Ӳ Ù ֮ ֯ ֮ Ù ֋, ֵ֤ , ׌ ֻ ִ , ײ̮֕ ָ ֮֟ ׻֋ ֛ ִϟ ֣ ֯ ״׮Ù ֮ ׻֋ ֮ ֯ פ ֋, ֯ פ ֋ ָ ָ ֯ פ ֟օ ֲ ֋ ָ , ֲ ִ ֟ , ִֵ ָ ָ ו֋ ֮֮ ו֮ ָ - , ֲ , ֮ ֲ , , ֋, ֮ ֋..(־֮֬)..

THE VICE CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN) : Azmiji, Please conclude.

ִ ̴֕ : ָ, ֟ ֕ ֻ ֻ , ߻ , ֕ ֟ ֤ ָ ֕ ֵ ָ ֋օ ֕ ָ ֮ ֤ օ ӡ , ׸ ָָ , ׸ؙ , ֮ ִ ֯ ֤ ִ ו֋ ֣-֣ ֮ և ָ ִ ãן ߕ , ו֋ ׸֯ײ׻֙ ִ֮֬ ֋ ֟ ֣, ֯ ֟ ָ ֮ ִ ׻֋ ֯ ֕ ֣ ָ ״׮Ù , և ״׮Ù כ֮ ָ , 6-8 ֻ ֟ ִ ָ֜ ׸, ֛ ָ ִõ ֟ ߅ ֣ ֯ ֮֯ ֮ פօ (ִ֯) (3 ָ )

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