PREVIOUS HOUR

5A/PSV-SKC/7.00

ֵ֮ ֻ ָ : ָ, maiden speech

ֳ֯ן : Maiden speech ֺ ֮, ̸ ִֵ ֮ ֮ օ

׾ֵ֮ יָ (ָ Ϥ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ָ ֓ , ִϤ׵ ָ ֓ , ֛ ָ ֓ ו֮֟ ֌ֆ , ֳ ֛ ָ ׮

(ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) ߚ߮ )

֮֮ ֠ ֠ ֛ ֙ ִ ֙ , ׻֋ ִֵ -ִֵ ָ ֛ ִϤ׵ ֮֕ן ٟ ןָ ֢ ֋, ׻֋ ִֵ-ִֵ-ָ ϵ ӕֲ ֤֟ , ֛ ָ ϵ օ ִ ׾ßָ ֮ ֮ ӟ س֛־ֻ ֤֟ ֮ ֵ ֵ ֲ þ֣ ٟ և ֤֟ ֟ ևԅ Ӥ þ֣ ٟ ׻֋ ׻ּ خ ֻև ևԅ ֲ ֻ ֛ וִָ ֣ Ӥ ֻ֟ ߅ ֵ֤ ֋ ו֮ خ , ֲ Ӥ , ־֮֬ ָ֮ - ִ ֮֯ Ӥ , ָ פ, ִϵ ֤ ֮ פօ ֮ ָ Ӥ, ָ ָ , ֻ֟ ? 1984 , ֮ ָ ֟ ָ ֓ ? ...(־֮֬)...ָ ָ ֵ ...(־֮֬)... ָ ...(־֮֬)... ָ ...(־֮֬)..., ֓ ֲ ֓ ֵ ֲ ָ ָ ֟ , ֲ ָ ֟ ֟ , ׮ ֟, ָ ֟, ֓ ֟ꅠ Ӥ ָ ֕ פ - ӛ 韵 , ֻ֟ օ ֮ פ ֤ ֯ ֳ ײֻ ֋ ֻ ׻֋ ֋ ֻ פ־֙ ִ օ ֻ ֻ ׻֋ ֋ ָ֟ ָָ ָ ֻ֟ ֤ ָ ֵ , - ֱ և? ...(־֮֬)... ...(־֮֬)... ֯ , ִ֮ , ... (־֮֬) ... ֤ ֮֟ , ן ֜ , ׯϵ ןִ ָ֕ ָ ß ֮ ֤ ֤ , ֤ ָ ןִ ָ֕ ֮֮ ׻֋, ֮֮ ׻֋ ָ ֻ֟ ...(־֮֬)...

ִ ֕ʹ : ײֻ ֻ֟ ֟ , ...(־֮֬)...

 

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ׾ֵ֮ יָ ֻ֮ ׻֋ ָ  ֕ , ֯ ֻ ֯ ָ֬ ...(־֮֬)... ׻֋ ִ ֟օ ָ ן ֜ , ָ֮ ֤ ֟ ״֡ ꅠ ֟ ״֡ ֲ ׻֋ ã֮ ֵ֮օ ֟Դ֮ ָָ ֛ ׻֋, ߮-߮ ã֮ , ã֮ פօ ִ֣ , , ִ֣ , ֕ ֳ ׻֋ ֯֠


* , ןִ ׻֋ ֮֯ * ? ֻ֮ ׻֋ ָ х ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֯ ָ ֲ ֯ ֮ ו֋, ïֻ ֕ ֮ ו֋, ֲ ֻ֮ ֯ 韾 ֻ֮

ִ ֕ʹ : ֯ ...(־֮֬)...

 

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ꌵָ , ֟ ׻֋ ָ ӑ ו֋ ָ ָָ ׮־ ֯ ֻ? ֯ ן ֮֮ ? (5/000 ָ ֿ:)

5B/klg/7.05

׾ֵ֮ יָ (֟) : ֮ Ӥ ִ׮֟ ִ , ֮ Ӥ ֻ? 713 ֤ ײ֮ ִ ֋, ׾֤ ֻ־ָ ֵ , ו֮ ָ֟ Ӥ ӛ-韵 , ו֮ ָ ֚ פ ? ֋?..(־֮֬)

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ָ, ֻ֟ ֟ ..(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ָ, ָ ֻ֟ , ..(־֮֬)

SHRI PRAVEEN RASHTRAPAL: Let us talk about communal violence. ..(Interruptions).. We cannot discuss like this. ..(Interruptions)..

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ֛ ָ , ֯ ֮ ו֋ ..(־֮֬).. ™ֻ , ֯ ֋Ӆ..(־֮֬).. ך ׻֋ יָ ߅ ..(־֮֬).. ֯ և

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ָ ֻ֟ , ֮֟ 0 ߴָ־ ß ׻֮ ִ ָ™ ָָ ױ ֤ ִו ֵ ӡֵֻ օ ִ 0 ߴָ־ ..(־֮֬)

0 סֵ : יָ , ֯ ֬ ן ֻ ..(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֯ ֤ , ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ : ֯ ֮ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬)

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ָ, 0 ߴָ־ ׻֟ , ևؙ ӛ ïߓ ӛ 8, š 54-55 ׻ , ָ ׿ִ ֟פ ֻ օ "ûִ" ֲ , "ûִ" ֲ ϵ օ ֟פ ֻ , ֤ ײ֮ ִ օ ׾ֵ֮ יָ , ָ ָָ ִו ֵ ӡֵֻ , ֮ ß ׿֟ ױ ֮ 1001 ֮֕־ ֵօ ֮ ..(־֮֬)

ִ ̴֕ : ֟ ֯? ..(־֮֬)

 

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֯ ן և ֯ ׾֤ ֻ־ָ ׸ ֮ ?

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ֯ ֮ ֟ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬).. ׻֋ ֯օ ..(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֯ ׾֤ ֻ־ָ ֣ ׸ ? ..(־֮֬).. ׾֤ ֻ־ָ ֟ ..(־֮֬)

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: He is talking about the history or speaking on the subject. ..(Interruptions).. He should speak on the subject in this House. ..(Interruptions).. He is telling about the history. ..(Interruptions)..

ֳ֬ : ֮ ו֋ ..(־֮֬).. ֛ ߛ ָ ֮ ו֋ ֯ ߓ ә ֺ ֯ և ..(־֮֬) .. և

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ך ִֵָ ߅ ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ : ֯ և .. .(־֮֬).. . և

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֯ ָ ָ֕ ? ָ ׻ ß ָ ֯ ָ֕ , ִ֟ ױ ֯ , ו֮ ִ , ֻ֟ օ ֯ ֟ þָ ׸ ֟ , ֟ ן ֵ օ ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ : ֯ ֛ ָ և

׾ֵ֮ יָ : , ֻ ֛ ָ , ֮֮ߵ ֳ֬ ߅

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ׻֋, ׻֋

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ָ, ֻ ֛ ָ ֓ , ߓ ֛ ֋օ ָ֟ ָ ֻ

ֳ֬ : , ֯ ׻֋ , ָ֟ ָ ׻֋

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֮֕־ ֋ 30 17 ָ ֻ ָ֟ Ӥ օ ..(־֮֬).. ָ֟ ָ , ֤ ֛ ָ ։օ ..(־֮֬).. ָ֟ Ӥ ֛ , þָ ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ : סֵ , ֯ և .. (־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : 1173 ֵօ ֮ ֻ օ ...(־֮֬).. ֛ ָ ָ .. (־֮֬).. ָ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ : ֯ ֮ ֌ ..(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : 1173 , ױ ֮ ֵ, ӛ ֋ ֻ օ ..(־֮֬)

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: He is talking about history. ..(Interruptions)

ֳ֬ : ָ , ֮ ו֋ פ ֮ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : 1526 ֲָ ֵօ ױ 1738 פ ֵօ ֤ ֤ ֻ ֵօ ֮ , ֯ ָ ֜ ו֋ ֕ ָ ִ-߸ ֤ ָָ , ֟֟ ӣ ָ ׻ ָ ֯ ֜ ו֋

(MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN, in the Chair)

ָ֟ ӯϤ׵ ֟ , ׮־ ..(־֮֬)

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Are we discussing history or the communal violence?

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ӣ ׻ ? ִ ׻ -

ָ ֵ, ֲ Ӥ

ֲ ֵ֕, ֻ Ӥ

ӣ ׻ ..(־֮֬) 5 ָ

AKA-KSK/5C/7:10

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ָ֟ ӛ ֟ ָ֟ ӛ ָ , ָ , ֤ , ֻ֟ , ֲ ָ և ܵ ӡ , ִֵ ֮ ָ ֋? ִֵ ֳ ֮ ָ ֓ , ו֮֟ ָ ֓ ? ֮ ָ ӛ , ֮ , ֳ֤, כ ָ , ֮ ӛ ? ..(־֮֬).. ָ ָָ ָև ֯ , ꅠ ָ֬ ָָ ֙ ֣֮ פ ׮ִ ? * ֮ ָָ ֙ ? ָ ָָ ֙ ֣֮ פ ׮ִ , ִ , ꬵ ִ ֳ֮״ ָ ִ פ ֮֮ ׻֋ ָ ׾ֵ֮ יָ ִ ָ֬ ..(־֮֬)..

0 סֵ : פ ׮ִ ֠ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ִ֕ : ֯ ֮֯ օ ..(־֮֬)..

 

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֯ ꅠ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : יָ , ֯ ֮ ׾ֵ ָ ׻֋

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ߸ ֮ פ ..(־֮֬).. әָ ֵօ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ׾ֵ֮ יָ , ֋, ֯ ïߓ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ִ֕ : ֟־ָ ֲָ ..(־֮֬)..

 

׾ֵ֮ יָ : әָ ֵ֠ ..(־֮֬)..

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

ִ ִ֕ : , ָ? ..(־֮֬)..

 

ֳ֯ן : ִ֕ , ֯ ך ֯ ך ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ֟ ׮֋ ..(־֮֬)..

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֓և ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ִ֕ : פ ֮ օ ..(־֮֬)..

 

ֳ֯ן : ִ֕ , ֯ ך ֯ ך ֯ ך, ֯ ֕֟ ֮ ߅ ֯ ך ..(־֮֬).. ׾ֵ֮ יָ , ֯ ֟ ׮֋ ֯ ïߓ It is not correct that anybody ֯ ߓ ә , ׻֋ ֯ ׾ֵ ָ ֟ , Ù ָ ֟

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ׾ֵ ָ ֟ , ִϤ׵ ֟ ֙ ֮ ֵօ ֵ ָ Ϥ Ӥ? ֮֮ ֙օ ֵ ו֮ ֵ֮ , ֯ ֕ ꅠ ָ Ӥ ֮, ָ ֵ֮, ֯ ֛ ָ ָ ֮ ֻ , ֲ֤ ֯ ֻ ֯ ָָ Ӹ ! ָ Ϥ ֮։ Ӥ ֯ ֻ , ־ ָ ָ ָ, ߟ ֟ ݮ ד֡ ֮֮ ֻ ֯ ִ׮֟ ! ֻ?

ִ ִ֕ : ֋ օ

 

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ָ ִ ִ֮ ꅠ ֻ ִ֮ ָ ִ ִ֮

0 ִ ӛָ : ֛ ֯

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ӛָ , ֯ ָ ӛָ , ֯ ָ ӛָ

0 ִ ӛָ : ֯ Ͽ ֯ ֛

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֮ ׸ֻ ֵ֮, ִϤ׵ ? 6 ֕ ß֮ ߴ ָ , ? ׸ָ ? -י ֮ ֤ ֵ ? ָ ֜ ? ָ ֟ ֛ כ ֣ כ ㌟ ֮ ׻֋ ו֮ ֲ ־ָ פ, ֕ 6 , ӡ ߠ ..(־֮֬).. ָ ß֮ ִֻ  ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ִ֕ : ָ?

 

ֳ֯ן : יָ , ֯ ׾ֵ ? ('5D/SCH' ָ )

GSP-SCH/7.15/5D

׾ֵ֮ יָ: ӡ ֮֮ , ...(־֮֬) , , ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן: ֋, ֯ , ׾ֵ ֯? , ׾ֵ ״Ù Դי ...(־֮֬)

SHRI ARUN SHOURIE: You did not ask this when Sitaram Yechury talked about the assassins of Mahatma Gandhi. That you will study. Now, you please study the Motion. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The motion is communal violence in Vadodara and other parts of the country. (Interruptions)

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: When their leader can (Interruptions)

SHRI ARUN SHOURIE: He is making his submission. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, I cannot allow that for he is coming...(Interruptions)... See, this is a Short Duration discussion, and, I cannot allow him. That is why, I am interested...(Interruptions) I cannot allow him to take whatever time he wants. (Interruptions)

ߴ֟ 鮤 ָ: , ...(־֮֬)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will be happy if the House permits by a Resolution to give whatever time. I am bound to do it 2 1/2 hours. (Interruptions)

׾ֵ֮ יָ: ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ֟ ָ

ֳ֯ן , ֕ : , ׮ֻ פ ֋ , ֟ әָ ִֵ ֕ ו֮ ׮Ե ֵ , ß֮ ׸ ״ֻ ß֮ ׸ ״ֻ ֮ ߛ Ӥ ֛ ֟ , ִ ? ״ֻ֮ ? ָ ״ֻ֮ ? ֮ ...(־֮֬)

ߴ֟ Ӥ ָ: ? ֯ ֟ ?

׾ֵ֮ יָ: ֮־ָ, ֕ ָ Ϥ ? ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן: ֋, ֯ ߕ ֺ כ ו֋, י ֯ ו-ו ֲꌙ כ , י ֯ כ ו֋

׾ֵ֮ יָ: ָ ָ 356 ֵ , ? ָ Ϥ ִ ׮? ָ Ϥ ־֮ ? ָ ׳ ? ָ ֻ߅ ֆ ?

׾ֵ֬, ִ ֈ , ׾ֵ֬ ׻ ו֯ ָ ֛ , և , ָ , ֮ , ִϤֵ ָ , ֋ , ָ ֤ ֻ , ָ ־ և ָ פ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ָ֮ ? ֲ ֈ ӲӬ ֓ , ֲ פ ֟ ֕ ִֻ ...(־֮֬)

ִ ̴֕: ױ ֮ ֛, ֲ ֯ ...(־֮֬)

 

 

ֳ֯ן: , , ֯ և ...(־֮֬) ֋ ֯ և ...(־֮֬) ָ Ϥ ִ ֯ ֟ ֟ ׸ ...(־֮֬)

ִ ̴֕: *

ֳ֯ן: ֯ և ...(־֮֬) Nothing will go on record. (Interruptions)

ֳ֯ן: ֋, ֯ ך, ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ: ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ֜ ? ֜ ָ ׻֟ ׾ֵ֬ ֮ ײß֮ ֋ ֜ פ ֵ, פ ֵօ ֟ ד֟ ִֻ֮օ ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ׻֟ ׾ֵ֬ ִֻ֮ פ ֵ, ָ Ϥ ָָ ו̻ ׬ָ ֵ ־ֻ ֓ ֵօ ָ֡ ֯ פ ױ ׮ֻ ֵօ ֲ ָ Ϥ ?

ָ , և׸ ִ ָ ָ פ , ָ ֜ ִϤ׵ ׾ָ֙ ֙ ֛ פ ֵ, ָ ִϤ׵ օ 5E/MCM ָ ֿ:

MCM-SK/7-20/5E

׾ֵ֮ יָ (֟) : , ֻ , ׻ֵ ֵ, ָָ ׻ֵ ֵօ ָָ ׻ֵ ֵ? Ӥ ֕ ָ Ϥ פ ָ ֻ ? ָ ָָ , ֕ ָָ , פ ָ ֻ ֕ ֣ פ ָ ֻ , ָ֟ ִָ פ ָ ֻ ......(־֮֬) , ֯ ָ ׮֋, ꬵ Ӥ ִ ֮ ״ ָ ֻ , ֮ ֜ ָ ֻ , ꬵ ־ Ù֮ ָ ֻ , ָ ָ ִ , ָ֮ Ӥ ֮ פ ָ ֻ , ־ Ù֮ ָ ֻ ִ Õ֤ ָ ֻ , ׮֮ , ӡ ֮֮ ֮֯ 00և0 ӓ

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* Not recorded.

֛ פ? 00և0 ӓ , ֮ ֮ ָ֮ Ӥ ֮ פ ָ ֻ ֻ־ָ ד֡ ָ , ֲ ִ Õ֤ ָ ֻ ד֡ ֮֯ ָ ? ֯ ָ-ָ ָ֟, ָ-ָ ָ֟ ֠ * ָ ָָ ָ֮ ָָ ָ֮ ӳ߸ ׸ִ ꅠ ֯ ߴ֟ ָ ߟ ָ - ֙ և ָ ָָ ß ִ , ֟ ֮ ֳ֯ן , ו֮ ֟ , ָ ֕ ӡ , , ֻ ֓ , ָ֮ ֟ , և ֲ ã֮ ֓ ֲ ָ֡ ו ã֮ ָ, և ֲ ֟ , ã֮ ֵָ ֵ? ֲ ֵ֟ ׾ֵ ֵ֟ ֵօ פ פև , ֟ և ã֮ פև օ

ָ Ϥ Ӥ , פ ָ ֻ ָ ֕ ӡ ֮ ߅ ָ ֮ ֯ ? ִ ֮ ״ ָ ֯ ֮ ֯ ? ֮ פ ֯ ֮ ֯ ? ־ Ù֮ ָ ִ ֮ ֮ ֯ ?

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ִ֯ ׸ יָ ߅......(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ָ ָָ ָ ......(־֮֬) ֻ ָ ֓ ִֻ ָ ֋օ ׻֋ ֮֕ ׸ օ ָ ֻ ......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ִ֯ ו֋.....(־֮֬) Ù ֛ ֲ֕, օ ֋, ֌ ֻܵ ֮ ......(־֮֬)

0 ִ ӛָ : ,......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ӛָ , ֯ ך

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ׻֋ ֳ֯ן , - ֟ ׾ ֵ ֋, ,

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

ס ֕߾ Ӭ ֈӛ֮ , , ָ߱ , ָ߱ ו֮ ֻ, ו֮ ָ ׻֋ ֮ ֤ , - ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

ֳ֯ן : ִ ֻ , ӓ ״֮֙

ֵָ : ײֻ ֻ ֛։ ......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ך, ֯ ך ֛։ ֮ ׻֋ ֯ ך.....(־֮֬) , ֯ ך.....(־֮֬) ̴֕ , ֯ ָ ָ֯ ו֋, ֮ ֯ ך פ .....(־֮֬) ֟ ו֋

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ (ӕֲ) : , ֓ ׻֋ י פ օ ֮֯ ִֵ פ, ׻֋ - ֮־֤

ֳ֯ן : ֱ ӓ ״֮֙, ֤ ֟ ו֋, ִֵ ֵ

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : יָ ß֮ Ù ָ ß֮ ָ ֮ ֻ , ֮ ......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : Ù , - ָ ֜ ֜ .......(־֮֬)

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ֓ ։օ ֻ ֻ ֟ ֟, ֟ ։օ (5f ָ ֿ:)

GS-YSR/5F/7.25

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ (֟) : ָ ֳ֟ ן , ִ ֮ ֳ ֻ ־֮ ߟ ָ ׾ ָ ׾ ֤õ ..(־֮֬)..

ֵָ : ׻֋ פ פ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : , ֯ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ֯ ֟ ו֋ ֟ , ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : , פ ֯ כׯ֮ ֵ , ֵ ? ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ֯ ֟ ׮ֵ ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ָ ׾ ָ , ־֮ ߟ ָ ֟ ָָ , ׻ , ׻ , ָ ԕ ֮ ִ ֜ , ָ֟ ֻօ ָ ֻ ֤ Ӆ ָ ß֮ ֳ֟ ן ӣ , ߟ , ӕ߸ , ֮ , ֳ ֤ - ֟ ׾ָ ֵ ֳ ֟ ָ ִ , ֟ ֮֮֟ ִ , ֟ , ִ֕ , פ ׬ ׾֓ , , ׌ , ֛ ִ֮ ִ , ֋ ִ߮ - ׮֟ ױ ֛ ֮ ֟ , ָ ûִ , և ֟ ֟ , ֟ , ֟ , ֮֮֟ ϓָ ָ , ֟ ϓָ-ָ օ ׻֋ ֠ ִ ß֮ ֵօ ã֮, , וִ , ָ ֻ ™ׯ֟ ֟ Ӭ ֤֕ ֵօ ..(ִֵ ә).. ֕ ִϤ׵ , ִϤ׵ , , ָ ֮-֮ ™ ֮֟ , ָ֬ ָ ֻ ֟ , ֳ ִ֮֬ ׮ֻ ִ ֮ ֮֕ן ׻֋ ßֻ ֮ ֟ ֕ ָ֟ ֟ , ֛ ֟ 2000 , -ִ וֿ ߅ ָ וֿ , ָ ׸ և , ß֮ ִ֮ ׸ և , ָ ׮ֵ ִ֮ ׸ և ֟ , ָ ָ֟ ܵ ӡ ׸ ֻ ߕ פ

(5 ָ ָ)

SC/VKK/7.30/5G

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ (֟) : פօ ִֵ ֟ ֛ ֓ Ù ߱ ״׮Ù פ ֵօ ֤ ׻Ù ֵ - ׻Ù ֟פ ִ (ִֵ ә) ָ , ִֵ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ִ ֻ , ִ֯ ו֋

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ֲ ֮֕ן ִ ֣ ֻ֟ ױ , ִϤ׵ ֕ ֛ ֟ , ִ օ ֟ 42 פ פ , - פ , ָֻ ֮ ָ ֮ ׻֋ ֮֋ ֛ פ ָ ܵ ִֵ ֻ ֮ ָ ֵ֮ ָ֕ ִ פ ֋ ָ ָ֕ ִ ָ֕ ִ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ִ օ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ָ֕ ֟ ..(־֮֬).. Ͽ֮ ֣ ִ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : , ִ ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : Ͽ֮ ֣ ִ ָ֕ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

֮֮ߵ ֤õ : ִ օ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : כ ..(־֮֬).. ֮ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֮֯ פ, ִ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ך ֯ ֟

ֳ֯ן : ֳϾֻ , ִ֯ ו֋ Please conclude.

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : , ִ ֵ ֤ ָ ֤ ֵ ..(־֮֬)..

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ִ օ ..(־֮֬)..

ֵָ : ֣ ? ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ֱ פ ֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ִ֯ ו֋..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ܵ ֛֮ ֟ ֵ߅ ֵ֛ ֋ -ûִ ֤ ֋ ָ ָ ׻ ֻ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ߕ ֌ ו֋ Ù ..(־֮֬)..Hon Minister to lay the statement.

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ָ ך ֻ ..(־֮֬).. ..(־֮֬).. ָ ׻ ָ ִ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ߕ ֌ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : - Ù ״ֻ , ָ ..(־֮֬).. ֳ ߮ ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ߕ, ֯ ֌ ו֋ օ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : ֲ ֻ , ָ ..(־֮֬).. ֮֯ ֲָ ֜ և , ֲָ ֜ ֈօ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֳϾֻ , ֯ , ׸ ֋օ ..(־֮֬)..֋, ֮֯ ӓ ״֮֙ ִֵ օ ..(־֮֬).. ..(־֮֬).. ִ֯ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..֋, ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ֻ ֳϾֻ : *

ֵָ : *

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* Not recorded.


ֳ֯ן : ִ֯ ו֋..(־֮֬)..Nothing will go on record. He is not listening. (Interruptions) ֋, ֋ ..(־֮֬)..׸ ֋օ ..(־֮֬)..ߕ ָ ו֋ ֋, ֮֯ ӓ ״֮֙ ׻֋ ׸Ù , 12 ״֮֙ פ ָ ֯ ִ֯ ..(־֮֬).. ֯ ֮ ׾ ו֋, ָ ֟ ה ..(־֮֬)..֯ ִ֯ ו֋ օ ..(־֮֬)..I think there is no discipline in the House. Please. ֟ ..(־֮֬).. (5 ָ )

RSS/5h/7.35

STATEMENT RE. STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS CONTAINED IN 169TH REPORT OF DEPARTMENT-RELATED PARLIAMENTARY STANDING COMMITTEE ON INDUSTRY

 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (INDEPENDENT CHARGE) OF THE MINISTRY OF HEAVY INDUSTRIES & PUBLIC ENTERPRISES (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): Sir, I lay a copy of the statement.

(Ends)

 

SHORT DURATION DISCUSSION ON COMMUNAL VIOLENCE IN

VADODARA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY -- (contd.)

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): Sir, after such a debate, per force, I should be very brief. We had a debate yesterday in this House, and the other House also, with respect to the incident that had taken place in one part of our country. Today, we are discussing the incidents that have taken place in other parts of our country. Yesterday, the debate was sobre, and probably, briefer than this one. Today, some heat was generated at the beginning, but then, some very good points have been made by hon. Members, while expressing their views on the incidents in Vadodara and other places. Sir, what happened in Vadodara? The Municipal Corporation decided to remove some structures which were standing at some places in the city in order to implement their plan, and the information which is given to us shows that they did remove some structures which were standing at the places where they should not have been there, and from where they were causing some obstruction to the traffic. When this place was approached by the municipal authority and they tried to demolish that structure, people who had collected there, objected to it, and a situation became difficult In the middle of the night. I received a telephone call from one of the colleagues here that Vadodara was facing grave difficulties and people were rioting over there. It was possible for the Home Secretary and me also to communicate with the Chief Minister around 2 o' clock in the night. We tried to collect the information about the incident. Then we decided that the situation should be controlled with determination, and without giving any opportunity to anybody, to cause any damage to any property or to any individual. Next day also, the situation was not fully under control. The curfew was clamped. One of the vehicles, I think, met with an accident, and the driver of that vehicle was put to death by the people who had collected over there by setting on fire the vehicle itself. (contd. by 5j)

MKS/ASC/7.40/5J

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL (CONTD.): This was a signal which indicated that if the situation was not controlled with a firm hand, it could go out of control and it could cause a lot of difficulties. The State Government asked for some Forces from the Union Government, and we did give them the Forces. Nearly 21 Companies were given to them; eight companies of Rapid Action Force and some Companies of BSF and CRPF were given. It was also decided on the next day that the Army columns would stage a flag march in the city to give an indication that the situation had to be controlled. And fortunately, the situation was controlled. The question which is, sometimes, asked is who is responsible for this situation. Sir, the State Government was in Gandhinagar and the Municipal Corporation was in Vadodara, and this was an action taken by the Municipal Corporation. One of the hon. Members, speaking here, very rightly said that the Municipal Corporation could have acted differently. And he did also say that Gandhinagar was firm enough to control the situation. I think, that assessment of that hon. Member who comes from Gujarat is not incorrect. It appears to be correct.

While discussing this issue, so many points were raised, and it was tried to indicate that for development, demolition of these kinds of structures was necessary. It was also said that some temples were demolished. The figures and the statistics which are given to us, and the information which is given to us, indicate that some temples were demolished, and one or two mosques were also demolished. But, Sir, the character of the structures has to be taken into consideration. If a structure is constructed, say, a few months back, or, one or two years back, removing that structure does not cause any difficulty. But if the structure is ancient and is worshipped by the people, the people belonging to not only one section of the society but to all sections of the society, the removal of that kind of structure has to be done in a careful manner. If it is necessary, it should be removed. If it can be done with agreement between the people who respect that structure, it is better. But if it is not to be done, one should not be in a hurry to demolish that kind of structure because demolishing that structure is not only demolishing the structure, but is also hurting the feelings of some of the people who respect that structure. That is what is to be borne in mind while dealing with structures of this kind. Many instances have been quoted by the hon. Members, while speaking on this issue, as to how the structures have continued to be there in other places and have not been demolished. Even in Delhi, when I used to come from Janpath to the Parliament, at one square there was a mosque; that mosque is not demolished. Now, there is a wall constructed around it, and that mosque is protected. If something of this nature can be done, it should be done. If it cannot be done then a discussion should be held, and if, with agreement, the structure has to be demolished, it should be demolished; otherwise, it should not be demolished, because those who have the responsibility of administering a city or a State or the Country have to consider the impact of their actions on the minds, the hearts and the feelings of the people in the country. (Contd. by 5K)

-MKS-TMV-NB/5K/7.45

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL (CONTD.): They should not do it without taking into consideration these things. Probably, one would not say that they did it with any bad intention. But one can certainly say that they did not do it in a sensitive manner. By understanding the feelings of the other people, probably, they could have done it differently. As far as the issue of Vadodara is concerned, I do think that the Municipal Corporation could have dealt with this issue in a different manner, in a more responsible manner. If it had not done so, it could be asked to look into all these matters and see as to how it can compensate or it can help the people in that area. This is what I would like to say, as far as Vadodara is concerned.

But, Sir, while discussing issues of this nature--yesterday and today also we discussed issues of this nature--we have to be very careful. Why do communal disturbances take place in our country? Something happened in Varanasi and the people of Varanasi behaved in a most responsible manner. Something happened in Delhi. The people of Delhi conducted themselves in a most responsible manner. Something happened in Doda and Udhampur also. Again and again, it has been said that we did not go there. But when I met them there, they did tell me, "Look, we are now going to be divided by the terrorists who are acting in this manner. We will remain together and we will fight them together". This is what they told me. This is very important.

Somebody, while participating in this debate today, said that, probably, people were more secular than some of us, the politicians. The people are really secular. The people in Varanasi, the people in Delhi and the people in Doda and Udhampur behaved in a most restraint and responsible manner indicating that they are really broad-minded and they really understand the value and importance of treating all human beings as human beings, and not persons belonging to this religion or that religion and not creating a division between the human beings. Now that is what is indicated by the people over there. But, sometimes, probably, politicians, all of us, for reasons known to us, are not, a little, as secular as the people outside the Parliament are. Now, while speaking also, sometimes, we make statements which do not help to maintain communal harmony in the country, but it acts as fuel to the fire of communal disturbances in the country. This has to be borne in mind. The administrators and the people who are on the spot have to behave in a responsible manner. Yesterday, while discussing the Doda and Udhampur issue, very good suggestions were given and one of the suggestions was to strengthen the Village Defence Committees. That was one of the most practical and useful suggestions which was thrown up in the debate in the House and in the other House also to deal with the terrorist activities in the far-flung areas of Doda, Udhampur and Jammu. Now, in the same fashion, today what is coming out of this debate? A little tact on the part of the person who was actually dealing with this structure would have avoided the situation. It was all the more necessary because of the history with which we are all acquainted, what happened in some parts of Gujarat. It would have been necessary for the people who are elected to the Municipal Corporation and who are administering the Corporation to be a little more tactful and a little more careful. (Contd. by 5L/VK)

VK-AKG/5L/7.50

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL (CONTD): Nothing would have changed, nothing would have happened if this matter was delayed. The demolition could have been delayed for sometime. Nothing would have happened. If that structure could stand there for 100 years or even 50 years....(interruptions).

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ֤ ׸ױ֮ ו֋ ... (־֮֬) ... ֯ כÙ ֟ ו֋, ֤ ׻֋ ... (־֮֬) ... ߓ ֟ ׻֋

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: Sir, I will reply to his questions afterwards. I don't want to break my link. What I am saying is that if we, who are administering the area, administering the cities or States or the Government at the national level, are not tactful, are not careful, if we do not anticipate the disturbances, if we act in a hurry, act in a manner which can hurt the feelings of the people, we would be compelled to face situations like this. This is exactly what has to be avoided. If this is avoided at individual level, if this is avoided at organisation level, it can really help us. The second thing, which is very important, is we think that by appealing to the narrow mindedness of the human beings, we will gain something out of it. It is not going to happen because those people who want to get something out of narrow mindedness of the people, their number is very, very limited. A majority of the people have nothing to gain out of it. They are happy if there is peace. They are happy if there is harmony. They are happy if there is understanding. They feel disturbed and they feel unhappy if something happens in their State or in their city or in their galli or in their neighbourhood. Actually, they suffer. Their children cannot go out. They cannot get whatever they want to get from the market. They suffer and sometimes that fire can engulf their own house also. They are not happy. This has to be very clearly understood. Those who think that by appealing to narrow mindedness of some human beings in the society they can gain out of it, I think they are mistaken. That is not going to help at all. It has to be avoided. There is one more thing. We are saying that we would like to have peace and harmony in the society. How are peace and harmony in the society disturbed? Peace and harmony in the society are disturbed because of disturbance in our own mind. If our mind is disturbed, if we do not know what is really going to help us, it is going to disturb the peace and harmony in the society. Every word that we utter, every act that we do, if it is contributing towards the pollution of our mind, disturbance of our mind, it is going to result in disturbance in the society. This has to be understood. We shall have to introspect and find out as to how we are conducting ourselves. Are we saying things which will add fuel to the fire? Or are we doing things which will douse this fire and create harmony and understanding in the society? We shall have to do it. Now what is to be done in these circumstances? We shall have to ask ourselves as to what we should do. We shall have to decide in our parties as to what we should do. We shall have to understand that this is not, in the ultimate analysis, going to help us and we have to conduct ourselves in a proper manner. One of the hon. Members, while speaking here, said that we are not here to divide; we are here to unite. Religion does not divide and should not divide. Religion should unite. Culture should unite the human beings with human beings, human beings with God, human beings with the nature. If it divides, it cannot be called a real and correct religion. That has to be clearly understood. The question today asked is: How is the communal situation in the country? Now I would like to give you the statistics on this point and leave it to you to decide how is the communal situation in the country.

(Contd. by 5M)

TDB/5M/7.55

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL (CONTD.): In 2000, the number of incidents that took place was 787; persons killed - 243 and persons injured - 1840. In 2001, the number of incidents that took place was 823, persons killed - 221 and persons injured - 2383. In 2002, the number of incidents was 722, persons killed - 1130 and persons injured - 4375. In 2003, the number of incidents was 711, number of persons killed - 193 and persons injured - 2261. In 2004, the number of incidents that took place was 677, persons killed - 134 and persons injured - 2132. In 2005, the number of incidents that took place is 779, persons killed - 124 and persons injured - 2066. In 2006, from January to May 12, the number of incidents is 198, persons killed - 58, and persons injured - 706. Now, this indicates that there is an improvement in the situation, and there is no deterioration. But, some of the incidents which have taken place have attracted our attention so much that we have started feeling that the situation is deteriorating. Not that the incidents are not taking place; not that there is no scope for improvement. The situation indicates that there is a slight improvement, but it is not a satisfactory improvement. Something more has to be done, and something more can be done not only by the Government of India, not only by the State Governments, not only by the Municipal Corporations, but by all of us together. If all of us contribute towards it, the situation can, certainly, become better than what it is today. Now, we are the people who are well-known throughout the world for our tolerance, contentment, understanding, desire for peace, desire for amity, and if this kind of division is created in the name of religion, in the name of any other narrow-mindedness, it is not going to help us. What can be done by us here is, to be very careful in using the words, in making the policies, in administering the Government, and in approaching the people in the just and correct manner so that the communal harmony in our country is maintained. I am not here to blame this person or that person, or, this State or that State. Now, we are all expected to be responsible. The State Governments did behave in a manner in which we expected them to behave, and we did give them all the help. That was done. And that has to be continued. If it is not continued, nobody can help them; nobody can avoid criticising them. And, if they do their duty in a proper manner, certainly, the entire country, the Government of India, and all of us will be with them. Any State Government, for that matter, or, any organisation in the State Government can expect the help of the State Government, or, the Union Government in order to achieve this objective.

Sir, I know that some issues were raised. Those are detailed issues, and they will require a lot of discussion and interpretation of the existing laws. For that, this is not the time, and, we will not have enough of patience to go into all these details. I am not going into these details. The information is available. If anybody wants any information on these points, I can give them the information, the law also can be made available to them, and they can form their own opinion. Thank you, Sir.

(Ends) (Followed 5n)

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