PREVIOUS HOUR

KSK/4.00/3N

SHRI B.S. GNANADESIKAN (CONTD): Therefore, their approach should not be with a wooden heart, but there should be some human sentiments to treat them at par with the civil society. Therefore, Sir, if one indifferent person, a superior officer, is given the responsibility, he will spoil the whole Force with his indifferent attitude. At least, in civil services, there are options to go out of that area, option to go out of that superior officer. You can go on deputation. If you are in State service, you can come to the Centre. If a particular Department is not suitable, you can go to other Department on deputation. But, in Armed Forces, no such facilities are available. Therefore, more care has to be taken in vesting powers to the superior officers. Sir, with these preliminary observations, going to the Act, I want to comment upon certain clauses for the kind consideration of the hon. Minister.

Sir, as one hon. Member suggested, there are number of penal offences that have been catalogued in this Bill. Particularly, subject to correction by the hon. Minister, I would like to mention about 'active duty', which has been defined in the Bill. The 'active duty' is defined in clause 2(1)(a) which includes "operations against an enemy, or an insurgent, or a terrorist, or any person in arms against the Union." Then, clause 21(f) says, "in time of active operation against the enemy intentionally occasions a false alarm in action, camp, quarters or spreads or causes to be spread reports calculated to create alarm or despondency." Sir, the words used are 'active operation' which is also defined in the definition clause. The punishment here is either death sentence or less punishment under that Act. Then, again, under clause 23(e), same offences are related. It talks about false alarm in camp or quarters, spreading rumours, reports calculated to create unnecessary alarm, etc. But, the punishment under clause 23(a) is 14 years. Therefore, there is some inconsistency between clause 21(f) and 23(e) and also read with clause 23(a). Because here also, the word used is 'active duty'. Therefore, I would like to point out to the hon. Minister, subject to correction, that there is some inconsistency in that clause. Sir, I request the hon. Minister to take into account the insensitivity to the human problem of the superior officers. Even for the direction of the superior officer to go to school, when ordered and not attending the school, the punishment is three years' imprisonment. It is too harsh. And, therefore, I draw attention to clause 26. Provisions of punishment and the offences for punishment also require consideration by the hon. Minister.

Sir, I take two-three clauses for the kind consideration of the Minister, particularly regarding Assam Rifles Court which has to be formed. There are three types of Court - General Assam Rifles Court; Petty Assam Rifles Court; Summary Assam Rifles Court. Under clause 128 of the Bill, it has been defined, or it has been clarified, that any trial by the Assam Rifles Court under the provisions of this Bill is deemed to be a Court dealing with the Code of Criminal Procedure. And, the Indian Evidence Act is also applicable. If that is so, there are two-three things which require consideration by the hon. Minister, namely, under clause 93, suppose the Court is formed, and after the Court is formed, if for any reason of the illness of the Law Officer, or accused finding impossible to continue the trial, the Assam Rifles Court is dissolved, then after dissolving the Court, again it is reconvened, in which case, the accused may be tried again.

(continued by 3o)

RSS/3o/4.05

SHRI B.S. GNANADESIKAN (CONTD.): Therefore, once the accused has undergone the agony of trial, then, if for any reason, the court is dissolved, again, the retrial has to take place, which brings hardship to the accused person. If the proceedings are recorded, if the evidence is taken and recorded, then, there is no need for retrial of the same offence. It can continue from where the proceedings were left. Similarly, under clause 108, subject to the provisions of sub-sections (2) and (3), every decision of the Assam Rifles Court shall be passed by a majority of votes; and where there is an equality of votes on either the finding or the sentence, the decision shall be in favour of the accused. Again, I request the hon. Minister to reconsider this clause. It should be by the majority decision. It cannot be by a majority of votes. I do not know why that sentence has been incorporated. If I am correct, it must be by a majority decision.

Similarly, under clause 120, if there is a previous conviction, it can be taken note of for the purpose of ascertaining the character. Under sub-clause (2), it is stated that the evidence received under this section may be either oral. If it is a previous conviction by the Assam Rifles Court or any other proceedings, it cannot be an oral evidence. Either it has to be produced by a certified copy or the earlier proceedings have to be produced before the court. It cannot be by an oral evidence that the previous conviction can be established. That also requires some consideration.

Again, another thing which is against the fundamental principle of jurisprudence is that, if at a Summary Assam Rifles Court, the officer holding the trial may, if he thinks fit, record any previous convictions against the offender, his general character, and such other matters as may be prescribed, as of his own knowledge, instead of requiring them to be proved under the foregoing provisions of this section. Here, I would like to state that no judge can decide that I have knowledge about this accused person, I have knowledge about his previous conviction, and therefore, I record it that he had a previous conviction. Therefore, I record the same and take it into account for the purpose of fresh conviction. A judge cannot do that. Either it should be evidence on record or it can be decided after providing an opportunity. That clause also requires consideration by the hon. Home Minister.

Sir, our Armed Forces are doing an exemplary work, and they deserve all sympathy and consideration, and as suggested by my learned colleague, Dr. M.S. Gill, I feel that there should be some positive approach by the Government to have some welfare officers in every battalion, with a coordinated effort at the Central level to take care of their welfare measures because, in many cases, the atrocities committed inside the battalion by the superior officers go unnoticed, and do not come to the notice of the civilised society. In Delhi, we used to see that the personnel of these paramilitary forces are put to a very great hardship in winter as well as in summer. They require all support and consideration by the Ministry and by this Parliament. With these words, I support the Bill. (Ends)

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL): Sir, all the hon. Members who spoke, have supported the Bill, and I would like to thank them. They have made certain general remarks. These remarks relate to the welfare of the members of the Force; they relate to the trial of the cases by the courts constituted under this law. I have taken note of the suggestions given by the hon. Members with respect to the welfare of the members of the Force. We do have officers in the Forces, who look after the welfare of the members of the Forces. There are schemes made by the Forces themselves, and those schemes are implemented to help them, their family members in travelling from the places where they work to the places where their family members live, to help them in case they are injured or they are killed... (contd. by 3p)

MKS/AKG/4.10/3P

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL (CONTD.): ....compensation is given; huge amounts of money are also given to them. And this matter is constantly looked into by the officers at the higher level, and also in the Ministry. If something more is required to be done, we would be only happy to do that for them.

As far as the trial of the offences is concerned, the courts will be constituted. It was rightly suggested that the trial should be fair. Otherwise, the Forces would be demoralised. As to how to make these trials fair is considered, and suggestions have been given. It is not necessary for me to go into the details of the procedures which have to be followed in conducting the cases. First of all, the matters will be looked into not by one person sitting as a judge, but by many persons sitting as judges. The law provides that if the accused objects to any person sitting as a judge, that matter can be considered by other members, and if other members also say that that person should not be sitting there as a judge with them, then some other person can be asked to sit with them, and the matter can be looked into. Now, there are summary cases, petty cases and serious types of cases. As far as the serious types of cases are concerned, the judgement given or the sentence passed by them has to be confirmed by the Home Ministry or by the officer appointed in the Home Ministry. Generally, the Director-General will be given an opportunity to look into the sentences passed by these courts. That means the courts at a very higher level. The murder cases are tried by the Sessions Judges. They are not tried by the Supreme Court Judges or the High Court Judges, but they are tried by the Sessions Court judges. Now, here also, the officers who are having enough experience will be appointed as judges, and they will be allowed to conduct the cases. In the Army as well as in the police, there are officers who are trained to conduct the criminal cases, to get the evidence on record, to examine the evidence, to interpret the laws and to pass the sentences. They are not the persons who are ignorant in matters of law. They are the persons who are trained in the matters of law, who know how the laws have to be interpreted, how the evidence has to be assessed and how the sentences have to be passed. Now, such persons are generally allowed to sit in the courts, and they pass. And, then, there is, at a high level, a confirmation required. Now, this is also a sort of precaution taken to see that the serious matters are not lightly decided. Over and above this, Sir, the matter can go in appeal also and, then, it can be decided. So, all that is necessary to see that the matters legal are dealt with in a proper manner is provided in this law. Now, these provisions have been lifted from the other laws which are being used for managing the ITBP or the BSF, and for managing the Armed Forces also. If anything more is required after this, and if it is brought to the notice, it can be looked into. But I do hope that precautions have been taken to see that there are good provisions which can help in seeing that proper justice is dispensed to the accused persons. On that count, there should not be any difficulty.

(Contd. by 3Q)

-MKS-TMV-HMS/3Q/4.15

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL (CONTD.): Sir, one thing which I would like to mention here is that when a matter of this kind is taken up, we express our views and we suggest that those who are willing to sacrifice their lives and limbs for protecting others' lives and limbs, the integrity and the unity of the country, and the sovereignty and the territory of the country should be looked after properly. Now, what is very important these days is that, sometimes, they are criticised in such a manner that they get demoralised. Criticising them has to be done in a proper manner. Sometimes, we, who are sitting in this august House, also do not realise that how many people are dying to protect the lives of other people who are not related to them in any manner except the fact that they are the citizens of India. People from Kerala go to Assam and Nagaland and they die there while protecting the property and other things. Now, people from different parts of the country are going and fighting in the border areas. They are trying to protect the lives of the people in different parts of the country. We shall have to be very careful about it. Sometimes, a statement is made on the floor of the House criticising the policemen like anything. Then, I have to, while replying, say that we, who are sitting here, should not forget that six policemen died to protect this entire Parliament and the lives of the people who were sitting here. We should not forget that. Therefore, we should not lightly, without applying the mind and without going into the facts, criticise them. If they commit offences, they will be punished by themselves and by the courts also. But without going into the root of the matter, if we lightly criticise them, it would be a demoralising factor. More than the salary, if we unjustly criticise them, they are likely to be demoralised. It has to be avoided and avoided in the case of those who are willing to die so that others live. I would not like to say anything more than this. I am very happy to note that the entire House is supporting this Bill and, I am sure, this Bill will be passed by all of us within minutes. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (SHRI KALRAJ MISHRA): Now the question is:

That the Bill to consolidate and amend the law relating to the

governance of the Assam Rifles, an Armed Force of the Union for ensuring the security of the borders of India, to carry out Counter Insurgency Operations in the specified areas and to act in aid of civil authorities for the maintenance of the law and order and for matters connected therewith, be taken into consideration.

 

The motion was adopted.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: We shall now take up clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill.

Clauses 2 to 168 were added to the Bill.

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Title were added to the Bill.

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: Sir, I beg to move:

That the Bill be passed.

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

(Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now, we shall take up Short Duration Discussion on the communal violence in Vadodara and other parts of the country. Prof. Alka Balram Kshatriya. (Followed by 3R/VK)

PSV-VK/3R/4.20

SHORT DURATION DISCUSSION ON COMMUNAL VIOLENCE

IN VADODARA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY

ֳ֬ : 0 סֵօ

0 סֵ (ָ֟) : ֮־֤, ֳ֬ օ ֕ ׾ֵ ָ ֤ ֓ , ֱ ָ֟ ׻֋, ׻ ׻֋ ֕ ד֮ ׾ֵ ֮ ִϤ׵ ָ֟, ֲ ֮ ֵԵ ֮ ֵ ? ֲ ֟ ָ֟ ֋ ֛ ֤ ֟ ֛ ִ֮ ֯ Ӭ ָ֟ ֋ ...(־֮֬)...

ֵ ֺ : ֕ ֤ ֟ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : , ֯ ֟ ָ ָ ֟ , ֯ ֮֟ ...(־֮֬)...

ֵ ֺ : ָ֟ ֕ ִָ Ϥ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ֵ , ֯ և ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : , ִָ ...(־֮֬)... ִϤ׵ ִָ ֯ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : ֯ ך, ך ...(־֮֬)... , ֯ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)... ֚ , ֯ և ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ִֵ ֋, ֯ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ֯ ָ֟ ִ ָ , ...(־֮֬)...

֮֮ߵ ֤õ : ֯ ָ֟ ִ ָ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : , ֯ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ָ ֋, ֯ ...(־֮֬)... ֵ , ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)... և ...(־֮֬)... ֲ ֮ ָ ״ֻօ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ֯ ֟ և ...(־֮֬)... ֮֯ - ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ֟ և ...(־֮֬)... ֮֯ ֢ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : ו֮ ִ , ֮ ָ ״ֻօ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ֮֯ ֢ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)...

֚ : ָ ִ ֟ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ֯ ֟ և ...(־֮֬)... ִ ֟ Ϥ , ו ִ ...(־֮֬)... ב֮ ֵ ִ ֟ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ֯ ֻ ֟ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ֮ ֟ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : , ֲ ֟ , Ӭ ִ ֮֟ , ֟ ָ ֕ ָ ָ֟ ֋ , ָ ֟ ֯ ָ֟ ֋ , ָ-ָ ִϤ׵ ! ָ ֕ ֟ ָ֟ ִ ָ ִϤ׵ ֲ ֵ , ֛ ֟

ֳ֬ , ֕ ֲ ָ֟ ֟ ָ֟ ָ ֮֟ ֕ ָ ָ ָ ֋ ֟ ֓ ֟ ֮ ֟ , ֻ֟ ָ֋ ֓ ֱ , כ ֟ , ֓ ׻֋ ָ ׻֋ וִָ , ֱ ָ֟ ָָ וִָ

, ֟ ָ֟ ֕ ָָ ָ֟ ֕ ֵ֮ ֋, ֕ߵ ֵ֤ ָ֟ ִϤ׵ ֻ֟ ִ ֱ ֮ פև ָ֟ 2002 , ֤ , ָ֟ ֛ , ֯ ִ ָ֟ ֕֯ ָָ ֱ ֮ פև פ֮ ֕ 2002 ֕ ָ֟ ָָ Ͽ֮ ׮± ײֻ ׮ ָ֟ ָָ ו ָ ֵ֛ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : ֯ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ָ ֯ ֮ , ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)... ױ ־ֲ ߅ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : ֯ ָ ֟ ֋, ֯ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)...

0 ִ ӛָ : ָ, , ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ֣-ֵ ֺ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ׻֋ ֱ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ִ׮֟ ֤õ ...(־֮֬)... , ӟ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ֯ ׻֋ ָ ֛߅ ֯ ד֮ ֟ ו֋ ...(־֮֬)...

֮֮ߵ ֤õ : ָ ָ, ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ߴ֮ ָ֟ ָָ ...(־֮֬)...

ֵָ : , ֮ ִ߸ ׾ֵ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : ֵ ӟ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ և ...(־֮֬)... ߅ ...(־֮֬)... ֮ ֻ ...(־֮֬)...

ֵָ : , ֻև ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : ֯ և ...(־֮֬)... ֮ ֻև ...(־֮֬)... ֯ և ...(־֮֬)...

ֵָ : -- ։ ָ ã֟ ...(־֮֬)... , ֻև ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : ֯ և ...(־֮֬)... ֯ և ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ָ ֻև ִ , ָ ֮֟ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ִև ֟ ָ ֻև ִ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : և ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ך ...(־֮֬)... , ך ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)... ֯ և ...(־֮֬)...

ֵָ : ֮ ִ߸ ׾ֵ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ִ , ֟ ֯ ֟ ִև ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ : ֯ և ...(־֮֬)... , ֯ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : ֯ ֙ ֻ ֵ ֕ ֟ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ֯ և ...(־֮֬)... ֯ ׻֋ ...(־֮֬)...

0 סֵ : , ָָ ֱ ׮ ָ ׻ֵ ֻ֮ ֮֟

(3s/000 ָ ֿ:)

3S/klg/4.35

0 סֵ (֟) : ָָ ֿ ָ ֮ ֮֕ן , ֿ ׸ ֮ ֮֮ , ֻ֟ օ

, ָ ӛ , ִֵ ߓ ָ ֙ և , ֛ ױ ֛ ߅ ָ֮ ֟ ָ ׾ ֟ , ֲ ִ , ׾ ֟ ߅ ׾ ָ օ ָ Ӿ , , ֕ ׾ , ֻ ֮ ? ׾ , ָָ ׸ ֮֕ן ֕ ׮ִԴ֟ ֣ פ , ßֲ֮ פ օ ָ ָָ ֻ ֯ ״ֻ֕ , ߅ ׻֋ ִֵ ָ ָ Ùָ ֮ ׻֋ ָ ִ ִ , ֤ ־ ִ ? ָ ֟ ? ָ ֛ , Ͽ֮ ִֵ ߓ ֛ , ִֵ ߓ ֛ ֵ? ߋ֯ וָ ? ָ֟ ? ָ ־ֻ ־ֲ ״ֻ ֟ , ֛ ӛ , , ֲ ֮ ֋ ֲ ָ ֲ ִ֮ ֋ ֲ ֮ ֵ օ ָ ָ ָ֟ ӯϤ׵ , ߔ ֣ , ֲ ֮֟ , ֱ ֮֕ן ֕ 㯯 ֬ ָ ֯ ־ ߟ ֋, ָ ָ ߟ ֋, ֤ ? ֯ ֤ؕ ָ ֕ ֿ ָ ֕ ? ֲ ֿ ֋, ׾ ײֻ , ֲ ֯ , ָ ֕ ? ֯ ֟

, ֕ ָ֟ ֻ֟ ָ ֣ ָ֟ Ӳָ ֮ , Ӳָ , ָ Ӳָ ִ ? ׻֋ ָ֟ Ӳָ ֮ ֟ ָ֟ ׾ ײֻ ָ ׾ , ׮־ ? ָ֟ ָ֮ Ӥ ? ָ֟ ָ , ָ ? ֯ ֟ ױ ָ֟ , ָ֟ , ײֻ ֲ ֛ Ӥ , ֕ ӡ , ָ֟ ܵ ӡ ִֵ ֲ֤֤ ֛ ֟ ֲ ָָ ߤ ֯ , ֻ֋ , ֲ ܵ ӡ ֮ ֛ ֲ֤֤ ֛ ֟-֟ ָ ָ֟ ܵ ӡ ߮ פ ֋ ߮ פ ֲ֤֤ ֛ ֱ ߮ פ ֤ ־֟ .. (־֮֬)

ֵ֮ ֻ ָ : ӡ ֋ ? ..(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ߕօ ֯ ֮ , ֟ ִֵ ֮ ֟ օ

0 סֵ : ָ, ֲ ֻ , ߸ ֕ , ֟ ָ ָ ָ֟ ܵ ӡ ֟ ָ Ϭִ֮ӡ Ù ׻֋, ֕ , ֤֟ ָ֟ , ֛ ֮ ֻ ן ãׯ֟ , ָ 2002 ָ ӛ ֤ ו ָ ָ֟ Ӥ ֮ ֵ ֮֮ ָ ָ ָ֟ ֛ פ օ ָָ ֮ ֻ , ֕ ֛ Ӥ ן ãׯ֟ ߅

, ָ֟ ֕ Ӭ ֻ , ָ֟ ֓ ו֋ ָ֟ ֯ ֓ ו֋, ָ ָ֟ ֋, ֱ ָ֟ ־ֻ , ־ֻ ָ Ӭ ָ ֻ, ֻ ֋, ֮֟օ ׻֋ ֓ ו֋ 3/ ָ ..

AKA-TDB/3T/4:30

0 סֵ (֟) : ָ֟ ֮֟ ֮ Ӥ ֮֟ , ן ָ֟ ״ ֿþ ״ , Ӭ , ו֮ ׮ֵ ֟ Ӥ פ ָָ ֙ , ו֮ ָ ֵ֮ , ꅠ ֯ ֕ ָ֟ ֮ ֮ , ֕ ָ ܵ ӡߠ * ִ ָ֟ ֮ ֮ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ָ ֤ ֤õ ֯ ִ ..(־֮֬)..

0 סֵ : ָ֟ ִָ ܵ ӡ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ : ִ ׸֛ ֋, ֯ և ..(־֮֬)..

0 ִ ӛָ : , ֵ ׾ֹ ֮ ֛ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֬ : ֯ և ׸֛ ִ ֋, ֯ ך ..(־֮֬)..

0 סֵ : ֳ֬ , ߮ פ ֤ ָ֟ ܵ ӡ ֛ ֋ ֛֋֠ ..(־֮֬)..

THE MINISTER OF HEAVY INDUSTRIES AND PUBLIC ENTERPRISES (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): Sir, I have to lay on the Table of the House a statement at 4 o'clock. It will take just a minute. ...(Interruptions)...

ֳ֬ : ״֮֙

SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: *

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* Not recorded.

 

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ӟ , ״֮֙ ֯ Ù 4:00 ֕ օ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: What is this? Sir, we really object to this. ...(Interruptions)... The hon. Member is speaking on Vadodara, he is coming and interrupting. Is this the seriousness the Government has towards Gujarat? ...(Interruptions)... What is this? ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SHAHID SIDDIQUI: Sir, this is a very serious matter. ...(Interruptions)...

ֳ֬ : ֯ ֮ Ù ։ ꅠ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ֯ ו֋ ..(־֮֬)..

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: What does this mean? Anybody can come and disrupt the debate like this! ...(Interruptions)... Is this the seriousness with which the Government is moving in this matter? ...(Interruptions)...

ֿ־ӟ ֮ : ӡ , ײ֮ ן ֛ , ؛ ׮־և

ֳ֬ : ֮֮ߵ ӡ Ù , ׸֛ ׮ֻ ו֋ ֤ ֲ ։ ֮ Ù , ׸֛ ׻ֵ ֋օ

SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Sir, how did you give permission to the Minister to interrupt the discussion like this? ...(Interruptions)... It never happened, Sir. ...(Interruptions)...

ֳ֬ : ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֮ Ù ։ ꅠ 0 ֮ ָ ߅

0 סֵ : ֳ֬ , ָ֟ ܵ ӡ ߮ פ ֤ ֛ ֤Կ ׌ , ܿ ֋օ ָ ֵָ ׌ֵ :-

֮ ָ

ָ ֟ , ә

ָ֟ ܵ ӡ ָ , ֯ ֋, ָ ֟ ә

ֳ֬ , ָ֟ Ӭ ׻ֵ ֓ ו֋, ָ-ָ ֣ ָ ֟ ָ Ͽ֮ ָ֟ ֟ ָ Ϥ ֟ , ִ ֟ և ߅ ֜ Ͽ֮ ָָ ָ Ͽ֮ ָ ִ ꅠ ('3U/SCH' ָ ָ)

SCH/KGG/4.35/3U

. סֵ (֟): ֋ ֋֋ ֛ ָ ֵ , Ͽ֮ ֛ ן , ִ ֲ ֟ ׿֮ܟ և, ִϤֵ פ ֵ, ֲ ִϤֵ ֵ ֟ ׻֋ ֯ ....(־֮֬) ֯ ...(־֮֬)

ק: ֯ ....(־֮֬)

. סֵ: ןֵ ....(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״): ֯ և .. (־֮֬) ӳ߸ ֓ , ׻֋ ӳ߸֯ ֤ օ ֯ ֮ ֤ ׻֋, ֳ ֮ ֟

. סֵ: ׻֋ ָ Ͽ֮ , ׻ ָָ , ֺ ֟ ָָ Ͽ֮ ׻֋ ܟ ֮ ָ ? ָ ? ӿ ? ָ ָ֟ ָ ָָ ӿ ֕ ָ-ָ ֯ ֳ ִ֕ ׮ֿ֮ ֻ ׌ֵ ִϤֵ ׸ ֜֟ , ֻ ׌ֵ, ִϤֵ Ӿ ֮ , ׻ ֮ ֕ ֟

( ֳ֯ן ߚ߮ )

֮ , ֣ ֣ ׾֤ ָ ִ֤ ׻֋ ׮־ ֯ ָ ׾ ן ֯ ֋, ֮ 1947 ֮ ִϤ׵ פ ־ Õ֤ ־ ָ , ֵ օ ־֕ ָ֟ ָָ ֟ ֮ - ֻ ֮ ׻ֵօ ֕ ָ ִϤ׵ ֛

ֳ֯ן , ֯ ִ֬ ֤ ֮֟ ܿ ו֋, ָ֟ ן ֯ ֯ ֮ ׸, ו̮ ָ ֮ ד֋, ֯ ָ ֮ ֟ ֟ ? Ӭ ָ֟ ֮, ָָ ֙ ָ֟ ֮, ן ָ֟ ֮ ִ ֯ ָ ֣ ו֋ ָ ָ ֻ ָ ׾֯ ֻ ֟ , ...(־֮֬)

ֵ֮ ֻ ָ: ָ֟ פ Ӭ Ӥ , ֟ Ӭ Ӥ ....(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן: ֯ ך ֲ ֯ ִ ֲ ׻֋, ֯ ֮ ו֋

. סֵ: ָ-ָ ֲ ...,ֳ֯ן , ֯ ִ֬ ֤ ־ֻ ֱ ָ֟ Ͽ֮ ָ ֻ ? ֲ ߕ ָָ , ߕ ָ֟ ָָ ָ ֕ ߕ ֮ , ֲ օ ֲ ָ֟ ߕ ָָ ֮ և ִ ֲ ֻ ֋ ܵ ӡ ֮ ֋ , ֲ

֕ ֻ ֮֕ן ֻ֟ ֤ , ִ ̸֕ ӿ ֱ ָ֟ ִܵӡ ֤ ָ ֮ , פ פև פ פև ֕ ִϤ׵ ֙֋ ֜ ׻֋ ֯ ֳ ָ֟ ָ ֣ ו֋, ָ֟ ן פ־֮ ָ ֣ ו֋ ֟ ֤ ֯ ָ ֣ , ָ ֳ ֣ ״ֻ ֻ ָ֟ ױ ן ֻ ֵ (ִ֯)

SHRI SHAHID SIDDIQUI (UTTAR PRADESH): Sir, I want a clarification. Is this a discussion on Gujarat and Vadodara or we can discuss about other places also? (Interruptions) This discussion is on Gujarat... That is the decision. (Interruptions)

. סֵ: , ֯ ֜ ו֋, ֯ ֜ ו֋

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, I will clarify. The discussion is on the communal violence in Vadodara and other parts of the country.

MCM/3W ָ

MCM-KLS/3W/4-40

׾ֵ֕ ָ (ָ֟) : ֳ֯ן , ֯ ֮־֤ ֮֯ ָ ֮ פօ , :

" ,

ָ ִ֤ ".

ָ ִ֤֠ , ֱ ָ֟ ִ֤ ֯ օ.....(־֮֬)

ִ׮֟ ֤õ : ïߓ ......(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ָ ֟ ֮ ֟ פ ָ֟ ֮ ֻ ־ ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ߟ, ׾ ֣ פ ָ ׻֋ ֟ ....(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : , ׿ ֟ .....(־֮֬)

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ָ ֟, ֵ֟ ָ֟ ֮ ִֻ֯ ִָ ֮ ܵ ӡ þָ ָ֟ ܵ ӡ ִָ ֮ ו ָ ......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : , ֯ ә ׸ if you want to intervene, then intervene. כ ֻ֮ The House has to rise. ...(Interruptions)... It is not between two of you. ...(Interruptions)... The entire House has to listen to the debate.

ָ֕ : ָ, ïߓ .....(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ......(־֮֬) ֯ ִ , you bring it to my notice. I will protect you, but do not go on interrupting. Otherwise, we will not be able to finish the debate. ֲ ֯ע , we will follow the rules, we will see to it. ִ ֟ ו֋, ïߓ

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ָ֟ ִֻ֯ ָ ֻ פ ֓ օ פ ו ָ ן ֮ ߴ ָ ؓ֟ ן ִõ ָ ֻ , ָ֟ ָ֟ ָָ ן ֮ ׮׿֟ ָ ֮ ׯ֔ ֻ ָ֟ ֳ ׮֯׻֙ ָ֮ ן ֮ ֵ ָ֟ ָָ ֮֟ ֕ , ֯ ֻ֟ ָ֟ ״֕֕ Ӭ ָ֟, ֲ Ӭ ֈ ֋ ײ֮ ֟ ָ ֟ ֮ ֟ ָ ׮ֵ ֟ ֮֮ ֛߅ ָָ ֙ ֟ ֮ ֣ , ֳ ֟ ӛ ֟ , ֟ ׻֋ ֕ ӛ ֮֟ ־׮ִ Ӥ֮ ™ָ֓ ֱֻ ָ֟ ָ֟ ֡ ֟ և ָ ָؓ ֻ ָ֟ ָ ֡ ן ֵ֮ ™ ָָ ֵ ™ָ֓ ֱֻ Ӥ֮ օ ָ֟ ֕ ֜ ָ֟ ָָ ӛ ָָ ֳֳֻև ֙ ֤ ָ֟ ֮֟ ִ ֮ ֟ ֜

(3x ָ ֿ:)

GS-SSS/3X/4.45

׾ֵ֕ ָ (֟) : ֛ ֙ , ..(־֮֬).. ߮ ָ ߮ , ֱ ֛ ן ֵ ֙ ֙, ֵ, ߮ ָ ߮ ן ֵ 45 ִ-ãֻ ֵ ֕ ֱ ָ ָ֟ ָָ ִ ֮ ָ֬ ָ, ֮ ִֵ ׻֋ ϟ ׾ֳ ֮ , ֮ ֵԤ , ֮ ָ , ָ ־ , ־֮ , י ֵԾ ֵԾ ֱ ֛ , ָ֟ ֳ ֵ ֻ֟ ו פ ֛ ֙ ֙, ӓ פ , 24 ָ - ן , ֛ ׮ִ , ָ֮ ֵ , ؙ ߅ ㆻ ֵ, ֮ ָ֬ , ֮ ָ֬ ָ , וÙ Ù , ױ , ֮ ןָ ֮ ִֵ ־֮ , ֵ, ֣ ؙ ߅ ׮ֻ֯ ָ֮ ״ָֿ, ׻ ״ָֿ, ֳ ֣ ֓ ֛ ֮֮ ֮֮ ׻֋ ן ֟-֟ ן ֮ ꌵָ ֟ -ִֻ֮ ֓ ֻ ָ֟ ָָ -ִֻ֮ ֟ ֵ֟ 42 ִ-ã֮ ֛ ֵ ֵ ûִ ֱ 6 ã֮ ָ ֵ ֵ ױ , ֻ , , ־ , ־֮ ֵ , ִ֮֬ ָ þָ օ ֵ֟ ָ ן ֵ, -ֲָ , ָ֟ ן ֮ ִ ֻ , ֱ ֛ ֟ ֟և 3300 ן ֵ ָ ָָ ׻ ևԾ ׯϴև֕ ֻ Ù֮ , ֟ , ß ָ ֻ Ù֮ , ו ױ ׾֬ , ֮ ֵ ָ ־֮Դә , ָ ׮ֻ֯ , ָ ױ , ִ֟ ֲ ״ ֻ , ָ Ù֮ , ֜־ ׻֋ ־֮Դ , ׮ֻ֯ ß ן , ֮ ָ֟ ָָ ֻ ָ֟ ִ ֻ ָ ָ֟ ܵ ӡ ָ ָָ ן-ן ָ֬ ָ ֵԾ , ָָ ֱֻ , ױ , פ ׻֋ ײֻ ֮ ֛ ן ׻֋ ָ֟ ֮֮ , ֮֮ , ֮ ֮֕ן ׻֋ ן ֮ ֵ ֻ ֯ ֮֟ ֲ ן ֮ ֟ , ֻ י פ ֵ ֵ֟ ֵ פ ֯ ן ֵ, ֯ ֤ ָ֮ ן ֵ߅ ָ ֯ ֌ ֟ , ֮ , ֯ ֮ ֯֙ , ֯ ָ֮ ߛ ו֋ ֮ ֟ ֵ ֵ , ױ ֵ Ù֙ օ ֲ 11 ֕ ן ֮ ׻֋ ׻ ֣ ֵ , 42 ִ ã֮ ֵ ֵ, ֲָß ֵ ֵ , ֟ , ױ ֵ ֵ , , ו ָ , ֵ֟, ֻ , ׻֙ (3և ָ ָ)

SC/4.50/3Y

׾ֵ֕ ָ (֟) : ִ ֋, ָ֕ , ׻ ָ ָ֣־ ֤ ә ֲ ֻօ ֤ ֤߲ ֵظ ִ ָ ֋ ֤ ָ ֛ ָָ פ ֻ֟ ׮֤ ֮ ָ֟ ֋ ָ פ ֟ ֚ ֕ և ֻ ֵ, ײֻ֕ ֻ ֵ ֵ ָ ִ ֋ ָ ֮֕ וִ ֛ ֻ ֵ ûִ ֵֻ ֵօ ߲֮ ֙ ߅ ֤ ׻ ״ָֿ ֋ ו֮֟ ָ , ֲ ãן ֵ֕ ׻֋ ãן ׻֋ ֟ ָ ãן ֵ߅ ָ, ֯ ָָ , ֲ ָ֟ ֤ ָ֟ 1965 1995 1995 ֤ ߕ ָָ ֵ߅ ֯ ־ ֟ ֟ ־ ָ ֮֕ן ָ ָ֟ ָָ ֮ ֤ ߮ ֻ ߟ ֋ , ߮ ֻ ָ֟ ָ֟ ו֮֟ ־ , ָ ֮֮ߵ ֤ ֙ , Ùߙ ֺ ִ ׬ ûִ ܵ , ־ ߕ -ןև ֤ ִֻ֮ פ ֲ ׮ֻ֯ ӓֵ֟ ־ ߟ ֋ ..(־֮֬)..

֤ ֙ : ָ, ߓ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ָ , ïߓ ֻܵ ..(־֮֬)..

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ִ ֤ և..(־֮֬)..

֤ ֙ : ֟ ֻ ֮ פ?

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ִ ߕ ߟ ֵ߅

֤ ֙ : ֟ ? ..(־֮֬)..֮ ָ ׻ֵ֟ פ , ֮ ֮ פ ? How can he say that?

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ָ, ֟ ֲ ֛ ֙ ..(־֮֬)..

֕߾ ㌻ : ֯ ָ ׻֋ օ ָ ?..(־֮֬)..

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ֛ ֙ ..(־֮֬)..֯ ߔ ..(־֮֬)..

֚ : ֟ ?..(־֮֬)..

0 סֵ : ֮ ֻ ֱ , ֮ ָ ֛ ֟ ?

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ֲ ֛ ֙ ֙, ֲ ָ ֕ ӡ ״ֳ֟և ֛ ֋ ָ ϳָ ד־ ֮ כֻ ߱ Ӭ ָ ֛ ֋ ֲ ׸ãן ׮ָ ӛ ֓㋿֮ ָ ߮ ָ ָ ܵ ӡ ֛ ֋ ߓ ֙ ֙ ִֵ, ֣ ֯ ֟ ָ ߵ ӡ ֋ , ֟

ֳ֯ן : ߱և פ ߱և פ ..(־֮֬)..

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ӡ ֟ ..(־֮֬)..ָ, ָ ӡ ӡֵֻ ֕ ӡ ߠ ֿ߯ ֵ־ֻ ֣ ӯ ֮֋ ֛ ãן ָ֮ ֌ ֵ־ֻ Ù פ כ֮ ֯ ֵ֟ , ֮֟ "ָ֟ ֕ ӡ ߵ ֕ ӡ ֿ߯ ֵ־ֻ ֣ כ ֕־֯ ן ׳ֵ֮ ָ֮ ߅ ֙, ׸ãןֵ ׾־פ ִãֻ ָ ֮ ֟֓ߟ Ͽ֮ ֳ ϵ ָ֮ ֵ־ֻ ֟ ֟ և כ֮ ֯ ׿֟ ֕߾ ֵּ֓ ֟ ן ֮ ֙ ֣ ִ ־ ߬ ӲӬ ֟ ׾ ֣ ߅ ָ ӑ , ן ֮ ֻ ׾ָ׬ֵ ߓ ָ פ ֮ ִϤ׵ ׻ֵօ (3 ָ ֿ:)

NB/3Z/4.55

׾ֵ֕ ָ (֟) : þָ Ͽ֮ ãן ׮ֵӡ ׻֋ ֺ ֋ ֕ ָָ ߵ -׮ ֻ ֤ ֯ ֵԾ ֕ ӡ, ֵ־ֻ Ù כ֮ ֯ ֵ ֮ ָָ ֵԾ ָ֬ ָ ֯ ֲ ֙ ֙, ֳ 1,017 ָָ ֵ, וִ֮ 756 , 263 ִֻ֮ 1,017 ָָ ֵ, CRP 10 ׮ֵ ֟ , ״׻֙ 3 ׮ֵ , RAF 8 ׮ֵ , ִ 6 ׮ֵ , External Magistrate 63 פ ָ ֮ ׻ֵ ָ ָָ situation ָ

ֳ֯ן , ָ ֟ ָ ֣ ָ֟ ֟ ָ֟ ֕ Ӭ ֮ ֵ , ׮ֵ ֕ ָ֟ ֓ ֻ , ׻֋ ֓ ֻ ָ֟ ֕ ִֻ֯ Ӳָ ָ ... (־֮֬) ֮ ׮ֵԟ ָ֟ ֛-֛ ӛÙߕ ־ ֣ ָ֟ ִ ֕ ָ֟ 18,000 rural areas ִֵٟ ֮ ӟԟ ָ֟ ֳ Ӿ without interruption 3 և 24 ә ָ֟ ֮ ִõ ... (־֮֬) ִֻ ִ ֮ ӟԟ ָ֟ ָָ ֮֋ ָ֟ ִԤ ֮ ֮ פ .... (־֮֬) ָ֟ ֮ ִõ , ־ ֣ ָ֟ ߮ ֮ ֮ ֻ ֟ և ָ֟ ָָ -ִ ֕ Info-City ֵ֮ ֲ Global India , ָ֟ ֕ latest technology ָ

ֳ֯ן , ָ֟ ׬׸ ԓ׸ ָ ִ ׻֋ Ե ֮ ֻ ָ֟ ָָ ֵ ™ӟ ֕ ־ ֣ Ӭ , ָ֟ ׾ Ӭ ָ ׮ֵ ָ֟ ׾ ֓

ֳ֯ן , , - Ù ... (־֮֬) ߸ ֮ .... (־֮֬)

ֵָ : ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֮ ã֮ ָ ... (־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : , ֯ ֮ ã֮ ָ ך ... (־֮֬) ׸ ָ ... (־֮֬)

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ֟ ֮ - - , - , ֮ ֛ , ׻י פ , ֟ ߸ , ֮ ֓ , 1984 -ִ , ֲ ֯ ָ ֤ , ֟ ֤ ? ֙֋ , ݵ֯ Ӆ ֮֟ ׾ ֟ , ן ֮ ֟ , ָָ ׻֋ ָ ֋ ִ ֲ ״ֻ ִ ... (־֮֬) ֮֮ߵ ӡ .... (־֮֬) ֯ ӡ ֮, .... (־֮֬)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֳ֯ן ֯ ӡ ֮

ֳ֯ן : ׮ֻ֮

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ֳ֯ן , ֟ ֤ ֮ ֟ ָ֟ ָָ ֤֟ ֱֻ ֛և

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