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ASC-RG/3k/6.00

. ֮ (֟) : ױ 12.05.2006 ևԅ ֤ 13.05.2006 ֕֯ ֵ ֻ ֵ, וִ ֵ ִ ָ 韵 39 ֵֻ , ֮֙֋ ֲָָ ָߵ ֮֟ ֙ ָ ? ָ ן֯ ָ ֟ ׻֋ ָ ֙֋ ־ , ֻ , ӟ֜ , ׾ָ ֵ ֮ ׻֋ ֌ ֮ ֮֓ ׻֋, ֦ ֱֻ, ֟פ ֱֻ ן֯ ָ , ָ ֵֻ ֟ ֵֿ ֮֮ߵ ܵ ӡ, ӡ , ֮ ״֡ ֤ ֤õ , ֟ ָ ָ™ ֋ , ֋ , וֻ , ֤֮֯ ָ פ ? ֤֟ ֛, ֜օ ֯ ™ ָ֮ ֯ ׿ֿ , ? ֵ֟ ֵ, ֮֮ߵ ӡ ָ , ָ ָ֮ , ֵ և, ָ ָ ןָ ֟פ ֮ ָ ״ֻ ו֟ ֲ ֮ ׾ֻ כ ߕ ֮և և, ֵ֟ ֵ כÙ וÙ ָ ָ և כ ߕ ֮֋ ֟פ ߅ ׮ ֤֟ ֟ ָ ֻ֟ ֛ ֟ ֯ ֯ ָ և և, ׻֋ ףֵָ פ ֵ ֤֟ ֋ ִ֮ ׌ ר , ß ֟ ׾ֻ כ ֮֮ Ͼן ߅ ֵ֟ ֵ ׬ Ӿ ׾ֻ כ ߕ ֮ ֮ , Ӿ ֮ ָ ֮ , ֮֮ ־ ֮ , Ӿ ֮ ӟ֜ ֮ ֻ ֮ ֮ ֮ , פ ֮ ױ ֵ ֵ ֵ? ֵ֟ ֵ וֻ ׬ָ ֲ֤ ׻֋ ֵ ֮ ׾ֻ כ ֮֮ օ Ӯ ֯ ִ֮ ֤֕ פ ו ׸ כ , ִ Ɵ ִ ױָ פ ׾ֻ כ ֮ ָ ֮֮ , ֵ֤ ß ֵ֤ ߴ֟ פ ֟ և ׾ֻ כ ߕ ֮֮ Ӆ ֱ ׾ֻ כ ߕ ֮ Ӿ ֻ ֮ ֕ ߠ ֕ ֮ Ͽ֮ ֮և , ׾ֵ ָ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ָ֮ ָ֮ , Ͽ֮ ָ ָ ׮ֹ ֵ ׾ֻ כ ߕ ֮֋Ӆ ß֮ ֮ , ִ ןָ ֤֟ ִ֮ ֮ ֲ֕ ֋Ӆ ֤֟ , ׻֋ և ״ֻ, և , և ֤ ֋, ָָ ? ָָ ֲֻ֟ ? ߴ־֟ ߸ ӕֲ, , ß֮ ֟ ָ ָָ ϲӬ ָָ ? ָָ ָ ֮ פ ? ָ ֕ ָָ ֻ ֕ ָָ ִֻ , ߴֆ ִֻ (ֿ: 3Lָ)

NB/KS/3L/6.05

. ֮ (֟) : ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֮֮ߵ ӡ ִ ? ָ ִֻ ״ן ֮ , ָ֮ ? ָ ֟ , ָ ֵ ֋ ֋ ? ™ߵ ״ן, ִֻ ֟ ܵ ָֻ , ָ ן׾׬ֵ ׸ ֟ , ָ ֟ , ӳ߸ ׾ֵ ױ ֯ ә׻֕ ߕ , IB , ? ֮ ֵ֟ ãן ? ֮ ֕ ָָ ִ և, ֮ Ӿ ֻ ֵ, ֮ ִ Ͽ׮ ׬ָ ֵ, ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ֮֮ߵ ןָ ӡ ֯ ָֻ ״ן, ?

ֳ֯ן , : ֣ ֛ , ֣ ֛ ִֻ ߻ ӡ , ןָ ӡ , ָֻ ״ן , Ծ ֮֟ ִֻ 㾵־ã , ָ ֲ ֮ ß֮ ֤ , ָ ֲ ֮ ֮ܵ ӟָ ֮ ֮ ֲָָ ֻ ָָ ֮ ß֮ ֻ ֤ ֟ ? ָָ ß֮ ן ָ ֳ ™֌ ֻ֟ ӵ㌟ ™ ָ ײև ו֋, ֯ ֟ ָ ֣ ׻֋ ֤ ָ ָָ ֲ ֟ ֮ ִ-߸ ָ ן ֮ ?

, ֮֮ߵ . , ֯ ׮־ פ ׮ ֵ ֻ , ױ ִ ױ ׮ օ ֋? ָ ֲ ֵ, ו ִ-߸ ֯ ֤-׸֟ , ֯ ֟״ , ֯ ׯ֟״ , ֯ ޵ֳ״ , ֯ ֣ ׮ ֋߅ ֤ ׮־ , ֤ ß־ ִ-߸ - ӓ ״ ָ , ָ ӛ ־ֻ ״ ß֮ ֤ ָ ֤ ß־ , ֮֮ߵ þ ָ־ Ϭִ֮ס֟ ִֵ ָָ ß־ Ӭ ֮ ß־ ֤ פ ? ֤ ִ֮ ֟ և , ו ִ ֤ ß־ þ פ ֤֮ ָ ֮֟ ß־ ָ פ ׮֤ , guideline ָ ָָ ןֵ ָ , ָָ ִֻ þ ָ־ ִֵ ֬և ֕ ן ִ֣ ֤ ß־ ߸ - ӓ ״ ָ , ׻֋ ד֟, פֲ ß־ օ ׮֬׸ ֻ ß־ , ӛ ־ֻ , ןָ ־ֻ ן ֓և ־ֻ օ ֵ ָ ߴ֋ , ָ ָ , Borders of a country are never discussed, they are to be defended. ߴֆ ָ , ֟ ֛ ֲ ֛ , ָ trespass , Ӥ , ׾֟ , ϟ , þ׳ִ֮ , ߾֮

ֳ֯ן , - ֵ֓߮ ߅ ׸ִ ֕ ׸ , ֟ ָ ֮ דӟ և ֲ ֋ , ֲ ָ ֮֮ߵ Ϭִ֮ӡ ֟ , ֤֟ ִ֣ , ֤֟ ָ ֤ , Ӥ ָ ? ָ Ӥ ֲָ , Ӥ ֮־ , ؓ֟ þֵ ؓ֟ 3M/AKG ָ ֿ:

AKG/3M/6.10

. ֮ (֟) : ִ֟ ߸ ֙ֆ , ִ - ֙ֆ , ֮ ד֮ þֳ׾ ָ ד֮ , ִ֟ ָ ןָ ָ ָ ß֮ ֤ ָ ָ֮ Ӿ ֯ ־ֻ  ֟ ? ױ ָ ֮֮ߵ ןָ ӡ ֌, ױֻ, at this present time, ָ ֮ ֤ ֲֻ֟ ׾µ ֯ ֋ꅠ ֓ ? ָָ ִ֮ ָ ß־ ׾ָ֓֬߮ ֕ , ׾ָ , ִִ ׾ָ , ָ ׾ֿ , ßӳָ- , ָ ϲֻ ֯ע , ָ ָ ϲֻ ֯ע , ָ ֙ ϲֻ ֯ע ? ֟ ֕ ָ ֟ ? Ӥ , ו ֮ ϴ ֵ֤ ָָ 㾵־ã֟ ߸ ן ? ָ ָ ϴ ֻ ֋ ֮ ֟ և ָ ָָ ָ ߾֮ , ָ ӯע , ָ ֻ-֓ , ־֮ , ָ ֮ ֟ և, ׳׮ ֯ ꅠ ָ ָ ֻ ֵ, ױ . , ִ ֓օ ָ ָ ױ և, ֯ ߸ , ֯ ֣ ׮ ֋օ ֯ כ ? ֯ ֵ ? ֮֟ ֯ ׾ָ ֛ ߅ ױ ֋ ֋, ֤֕ ׻֋ ֛ ָ ׾ָ , ָ ֮ ֯ ִ֣Ԯ ֻ ֓օ ׮־, ִֻ֮ և , ָ ֣ , ֤֟ ִ֮ ꅠ ֟ ױ ֟פ ִ֮ ײև ָ ֟ ꅠ ָ ׸ãן ֯ ߸ ֓ ? ֯ ֤ ß־ ׸ ֓ , ו ß־ ָ Ѭ ? ִ֮ ֻ ֙֋ ֻ ã֮ߵ ָ ֻ ֙֋ ™ ָ ׻֋ ß֮ ™ , ï™ ָ , ָ ׻֋ ָ֟ ә ֕ ֤֟ ֙ ָ ײי և״׮Ù "It is an attack on the British way of life, and we shall not tolerate it." ֙֋ , ָߵ ߾֮-֨ן ָ ֑֟ , ָ world view ָ ֑֟ , ָ ߾֮-™ ָ ֑֟ ֤Կ ? ָ ׾֮֬ ו֮ ֨ӟ , ָ ֯ ׾֮֬ ӣ-׮ָ ֯ ׾֮֬ ߾֮ ߾֮ ָ և ׾֮֬ ָ ָֆ , ָ ־֮ֆ ֻ֮ ? ָ ӛ ֮ ׻֋ ? ׻֋ ׾ִ֮ϟ ֣ Ͽ ֯ ™ 녠 ֤֟ ױ , ethnic clinsing, ו ־֮ , ָ ֯ ֯ ֤ ? ֤ ָ ֟ ֣ ֵ , ָ , ָ ׾ָ֓ , ָ ß֟ ָ , ן , ™ ֻ ֟ ߅ ֮֮ߵ ӡ , ׻֋ ֯ ָ ָ ֻ ײ ֮ , ׻ ԟ ָ ׾ָ֓ 2005 ֤ ӟ׸ ָ ߅ ִ ? ִ ֮֯ ֲ ֮ פ օ 2004 , 2005 , ־ִָ ߮ ߅ ָ ֮֯ ֤ ִ֬ ֮ פ ֯ ָև , ו ֙֋ 녠 ֲ ָ-ָ ֮֮ߵ ןָ ӡ ֵ֮, ֮֮ߵ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֵ֮, ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֵ֮ ֜ ֤֟ ... (3/֋֋ ָ ֿ:)

3N/HMS-KGG/6.15

0 ֮ (֟) : ׻֋ ֆ ֮ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֟ ß־ ӟ֤ ֙ֆ ֳ ָָ ֋ ָ ֋Ӆ ֛ ֣ ֛ ֤֟ ֙ֆ , ֲָָ ר ָ ֺ ֣ ֟ ֱ ָָ ֿ߸ , ֵד֮ ֯ ֆ ֮ , ֕ ׮ ׾µ ׾ָ֓ ֟ ? ï™ ָָ ָָ ֿ߸ ֮֓ , ֿ߸ ׻֋ ן ? ָָ ָ cultural ethnic genocide ֮֓ ׻֋ ן ? ָָ ָ ӛ ֮ ׻֋ ן ? ׮ֵ֤ ־ֻ ֣ ֟ ֕ ָ , ֛ Ӿ ™֌ ִֻ֮ , ָ ֿ߸ ֙ , ָ ָ֓ ֵ֮ פ ֛ ֣ ָ ֟פ , ָ ӯע օ ֕ ָ ׸ãן ׻֋ ӯϤ׵ ִֻ ִ , ִֻ֮ ־ֻ ־ֻ ָ ֌ ָ ׾ָ ֟ ־ֻ ß֮ ß֮ ™ ӟָ ־ֻ ָ ֕׸ ־ֻ ֿ߸ ß֮ ֮֮ ֿ߸ ָ ֮֟ ָָ ֮֮ ָָ ֿ߸ ָ ֮֟ ? ֲ ִ-ֿ߸ ֟ ִ-ֿ߸ ֟ ֕ ׬ ß֮ ָָ ֮֟ ָָ ָ ן ? ָָ ָ ֟ ׻֋ ?

- ߴ ָ ֟ ֟ ָ ֤ ï™ ֓ԋ ָָ ן ? ߴֆ ָ ָ ֟ ֯ Ͽ ָ ָָ ֮ ן ï™

ֳ֯ן , ֟ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ֋ ָ ֮ ֻ ֟֋, ֋ ָ ֵ֟ ֵ, ָ ֓ ֮֟ ֓ , ִָ֓ ֡ ֟ ֻ ֯ ׻֋ ã֮ߵ Ͽ֮ ָ֟ ?

ӡ ( ׿־ָ֕ 0 י) : ָ ֵ, כ ״׮Ù ָ ָ ֋ ֲ֮ ֵ ָ ֋ ׻֋ ֻ ֵ ֯ ֟ և ִָ֓ ֡ ֟ , ִָ֓ ֡ ׻֟ , וִָ ָ ֟ ֮ ׻֋ ֋

0 ֮ : ןָ ӡ ֋ ?

׿־ָ֕ 0 י : , ֋

0 ֮ : , ֯ þֵ ֟ ִָ֓ ֡ ֲ ִָ֓ ...(־֮֬)...

׿־ָ֕ 0 י : ִָ֓ ֡ ׻ וִָ ָ

0 ֮ : ֛ ֯ ִָ֓ ӛ ָָ ָ

׿־ָ֕ 0 י : ׻

0 ֮ : ָָ ׻ ױ ֮֟ ׻֋ ָ ֟ ֛ ׾ד֡ ãן ֟ ï™ ӛ ֵ , ןָ ӡ ָ ֋

׿־ָ֕ 0 י : ָ ׻֮ ֻ , ׻֮

0 ֮ : ִָ֓ ֡ , ݕ ׮ ֯ ָָ ӡ ϓָ ӡ ֯ ӱ֮ ӡֵֻ ֯ ֮ ו ϴ ...(־֮֬)...

׿־ָ֕ 0 י : ӓ-ֻ֛ ׻֟ , ָ ׻֋ օ

0 ֮ : ֮֟ ֟ ײ֮ ӓ-ֻ֛ ׻ ֟ , ָ ֟ ӛ ֛ ׿ ָ ֤ , ֲ ָ ָ ָ ֟ ֟ ֲָ ָ-ָ ֣ և ֟ , ֲָ ֲָ ָ ֯ע ֺ ֟ ֟ ו֮ ײ֮ ӓ-ֻ֛ ֯֟ (3 /ߋ־ ָ ֿ:)

PSV-KLS/3O/6.20

0 ֮ (֟) : ӛ ӛ ꅠ ֯ ֮֟ , ֻ֟ , ֕ ָ ָ ֮ ֮֮ߵ ӡ Ͽ֮ ָ ֙ ֯ ִ֮ ֮ ...(־֮֬)...

ֳ֯ן : , ֮ ִֵ ֯?

0 ֮ : -ָ ״֮֙ , ָ

ָ ֮ܵ ӟָ ֻ ִ-߸ ָ ֯ ֮ ֋ ָ ֮ܵ ӟָ ױ ־̮ ָ ߴֆ ָ ֤ ָ ֤ ָ ֟ ֟և և ֮ ֛ ܵ ݻ֤ ֋ פ ߴ וֻ ֮ܵߵ ֤ ֵ , ױ ֱ֮ ֵ ֯ ׸ִ ãן ֻ ֯ ӡ ֯ ִ֮ ָ ׸ ָ ֯ ֯ ֋ ֕ ָ-Փֻ ãן ׾׳֮ ָ ׾ñ ãן ָ ֜ , ֜ ? ָ Ӥ ֻ ֵ ֛ ܵ ׮ ֻ ֋ , ֵ ־ ֵ֜ ֋ ָ ֡ ™֌ , ִֻ֮ , , , ֲ--ֲ ׮֮ ׻֋ ֲ֕ ֋ ָ ֮ ֤ ß֮ , , ָ օ ֕ ָ , ָ ֛ ָ ֯ ֮ܵ ӟָ ָ , ֯ ֟ ָ ߴֆ ָ, , ָ ׿ִ , ֲ ָ ָ ֮ܵߵ ־ ָ ָ ֯ ָ ә׻֕ ָ ׸ ״ֻ֟ ߅ ָ֮ , ָ֬ ָ ֤ ִõ ָ և ׾ָ֓ ו֋ ָ ߴֆ ֯ ־ֻ ָ֋ ֮, -ִֻ֮ ־ֻ ָ ֟ ו֋ : , ֲ ָ ִֻ ֻև ־֮ ß ֲ ִ ו֋ ־ֻ ֻ ϟ ™֌ ֣ ־ֻ ִ , ֕ , ָ ָ-֌ , -֌ , ָ ֙ֆ ߛ , ָ ֙ֆ ן ד֮ ֮֓ ׻֋ ָָ , ָ ־ ֻ ֯ ֓և, ָָ ִ -Ӿ׮ ִ ִ֕֬ ָ ָ ד֮֮ ֵ ׻֋ ָ֟ ָ ִ֮

׻֋ ֳ֯ן , ֤ ֮֮ߵ ӡ ָ ֙ֆ ָ־ע ֯ ִ֮ ׸֮֋ ֮֋, ִ ֣ ָ ָ ֋ ϟָ , ֟ ֮߅ ֯ - ָ-ϟָօ ֕ פ-ָ , ִõ օ

ן֯ ֮֮ߵ ֲ פ ָ֢֬ ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֲ ϵ פ, ָ ִõ ִõ ׮֤֮ , פ-ָ , ߮-ָ ָ ֻ ָ֋ ֮, ־֮ ß, ֯ ָ ו֋

ד֮ ֯ ִ֮ ֙ֆ ָ ן ׻֋ ֟ ߅ ו֮֟ ֟ , ֟ , ו ָ ֟ , ד֮ , ָ ן֋ և, ֙֋ ָ-Փֻ ֮ ָ , ן ן ֮ ֮ Ծ֮ ֙ ָ ִ߸ ֟ -™ ׾ָ֓ ִ ֮µ ֮ ߾֮ ֮ Ӹ ־ֿ ֮ ״ ֮ ן ָ ֮ ֮ ן ֮ ֮ ָָֆ ן ֲ ִ ָ ֑֟ , ֮ ןֻ״ֻ

(3/000 ָ ֿ:)

-KLS-SSS-KLG/3P/6.25

0 ֮ (֟) : ן ? ֛ ӳ߸ ן ߅ ׾ִ֮ ֲ ֤ ־֮ ß ן֋ , 1947 ָ , ָ֟ , ׻֋ ׻֋ ׻ ִ ׻֋, וִ ָ ִִ , ִ ߅

ֳ֯ן , ׾ִ֮ ָָ ָ ֮ ן ï™ ߸ ֤ ß־ ָָ Ӭ Ӭ ? Ӳָ , ߸ ӲӬ ï™ ן ? Ӳָ ߮, ֆ ֮ ָ ָ ָ ֟ , ָ ָָ ן ? Ӳָ ָ, ֻ ָ ׮ خ ו֮և ָ ָָ ? ָ ֟, ӛ , ן , ߾֮-滵 , ָߵ way of life ֮֓ ׻֋ ָָ ןֵ ? ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

DR. KARAN SINGH (NCT OF DELHI): Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I rise with a very heavy heart and express, I think, on behalf of all sections of the House our deep anguish and distress at the terrible events that took place recently in Doda and Udhampur. Dr. Murli Manoharji in his eloquent and, I must say, very balanced speech had several times referred to Jammu and Kashmir as my ֟״. Let me make one thing clear. For me, ֵֻ ֵ՟, the whole of India is my motherland, but, certainly I have a special link with the State, Sir, which was built by my ancestors of very different ethnic groups brought together in one of the great achievements of the 19th Century, the creation of the State of Jammu and Kashmir in North India, a State which consolidated the northern borders of India in a fashion which would not have been possible had the chaos after the Sikh empires collapsed and the Russian advance and British imperialism. Between them, India would not have had its borders up where it is today. So, I am proud to belong to that State and as far as the State being a part of India, I can say with some pride, Sir, that the day my father signed the Instrument of Accession, legally and constitutionally, this whole State of Jammu and Kashmir has become part of India. Whether that is under our control or not, that is a different matter. I do not want to go into all the ramifications of the Jammu and Kashmir Policy, but it is correct that ever since 1947 there has been one attack after the other on behalf of Pakistan. The first invasion took place in 1947 itself, and, as you are aware, took place even before the Instrument of Accession had been signed and that war continued ultimately until the first of January, 1940. Then in 1965, there were the infiltrators which came in, in huge numbers. They also ended up finally in the 1965 war. Then, in 1971 there was a war. Then, in 1989, Sir, ever since V.P. Singh's Government came into power and there was a release of hostages, if you remember in the unfortunate circumstances, from that day from 1989, till yesterday, the 17 years have been a grim and bloody saga of ruthless killings, of bombings, of anti-insurgency operations necessarily by the security forces and the whole State has been in turmoil. Dr. Joshiji has also said that this is not an occasion for mutual recriminations. I have also got statistics with me as to which year what took place. That is not the point. Any event of this type which takes place under whichever regime is something which has to be roundly condemned by all parties and all communities. It is true that on this occasion and on several early occasions Hindus have been targeted in the Jammu Province. There is no doubt about it because there is a whole list of events. In Chattisinghpura, it was the Sikhs who were killed. In Gujarat, it was the Muslims who were killed. There were all sorts of communal killings but we must remember, the life of every Indian citizen is equally important, regardless of what community or what caste or what language they may speak and, therefore, we should all join together in meeting this great menace. (CONTD. BY NBR/3Q)

-SSS/NBR-AKA/3Q/6.30.

DR. KARAN SINGH (CONTD.): Sir, let me highlight one or two facts, briefly, because my colleague, Shri Shivraj Patil, is finally here and after all the excitement that we have the whole day...

SHRI SHIVRAJ VISHWANATH PATIL: Sir, I think, he will yield for a moment. Sir, Shivraj Patil could not be present in both the Houses at a time. That is his difficulty. But, at the same time, my apologies to the entire House that I could not be here in the morning.

DR. MURLI MANOHAR JOSHI: You would have travelled by a speed equal to that of light.

DR. KARAN SINGH: It is not my intention at all. I myself was Minister. There is a well-established practice. When one Minister is giving reply in one House, the junior Minister gives reply in the other House. I give you an example. There was a plane crash when I was Civil Aviation Minister. I dealt with the debate in the Lok Sabha and my colleague, Smt. Sarojini Mahishi, dealt with it in the Rajya Sabha. The junior Minister was here and the Cabinet Minister was there. I don't think, frankly, it was necessary to prolong this whole debate for so long. And you are saying that Shivrajji is here and he will no doubt deal with the various problems.

Sir, Doda and Udhampur are very vast and far-flung areas. They stretch all the way from Poonch in Rajouri district, which are on the Yellow Sea, and they come all the way along the Kalidhar and the Banihaal range up to the borders of Chamba in Himachal Pradesh. Our forces are mainly on the Line of Control -- in Poonch and Rajouri. There is no doubt that the hinterland areas are not heavily patrolled. They are not heavily guarded. And, that is, unfortunately, why they are a soft target. These terrorists -- the cold-blooded killers -- go to houses of these people at the middle of the night and massacre them mercilessly. This has been a very painful fact. There is no doubt that there is a concerted plan to terrorise the minority community living in these far flung areas so that they should leave their places and migrate. This is a well-established policy. We have picked this up from their broadcast, from their intelligence reports and so on. But, this is something that we cannot accept, because our people, wherever they may live, must be assured of security.

Now, today, I was speaking to the hon. Chief Minister. He comes from Doda. As you know, he belonged to this House. He has given me certain figures. But, I think, Shivrajji will, probably, deal with the new Village Defence Committees that have been constituted. There are 85 in Doda with 620 people. They all have been given guns. There are 25 in Vasantgarh. There, 100 people are given guns. There is also monetary compensation. He also said to emphasize that one person from each family will be recruited directly into the State Police. Those steps are being taken. I can assure you, Sir, the State Government and the Government here also have been very much concerned of these events. I would say that the Army and the BSF, Shivrajji, will have to do more intensive patrolling in these areas also. It cannot only be left to the Village Defence Committees. They have the old rifles, whereas the terrorists come equipped with Kalashnikovs. What can the people do? Nonetheless, we have got to try and instil into our people living in those areas a sense of security. There is a widespread sense of insecurity in those regions. I think no one is denying this fact. I have been closely in touch with them. Both the districts are a part of my Parliamentary constituency for 18 years. Although I was not able to go for certain reasons, I have been in touch with the people. There is a great deal of insecurity. And, I think, some measures will have to be taken by the State Government. They have already taken some measures. And, the Government of India, the Home Ministry and the Defence Ministry try to instil a sense of confidence.

What happened to the Kashmiri Pandits? They were not killed. The killings were only selective. But, there was a dread and terror that the entire community felt obliged to leave. And that has been one of the tragedies, no doubt, of our times that in our own country a major community has become a refuge. Now, we do not want this to happen in Jammu region. For that, I think, necessary steps need to be taken. Sir, twenty years ago I had suggested that a cantonment should be built in Bhagrawah. (CONTD. BY USY "3R")

USY/3R/6.35

DR. KARAN SINGH (CONTD.): I remember, Shri K.C. Pant was the Defence Minister then. It is now, I believe, the land has been acquired, and a chhawni has been built in Bhadarwa, which is in the heart of Doda district, from where, in fact, Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad has recently won the elections. It could have had a very important effect on people's confidence. So, what I would like to say, Sir, are simply three things. One, the State Government has already taken certain measures to try and re-instil confidence in these people. And, the Army and the BSF has also got to become more active. There is a place, Kali Dhaar, which is said to be heavily infested with terrorism. And, everybody seems to know that they are there, but for some reasons we don't seem to be able to get them out. I find it difficult to understand. There has to be some way. There are two types of people. One, the people who are coming in from Pakistan. Their number may have dwindled. But there are people, Shivrajji, who are residents in the State, not the local residents, but the terrorists who are residents in the State. They are residents in the mountain areas. They have their hideouts in the Dhaar, in the mountain areas, stretching all the way from Doda across into Anantnag and Shupaiyya. From there, they have to be, somehow or other, uprooted; otherwise, they will continue to attack whenever they see a soft target. Sir, Pakistan has said that their territory, under their control, would not be used for anti-India activities. They also have to be held to account on this. I am not going into the broader question. I have always advocated friendly relations with Pakistan. But friendly relations are a two-way street. If Pakistan territory is continued to be used against us, or, they continue to harbour and train terrorists, then, that is not the way in which we can have friendly relations. I agree that in the broader aspect, certainly, Indo-Pakistan friendship will be in the interest of everybody concerned. In fact, I would say that the SAARC itself one day should develop on the lines of European Union so that all these problems are solved. But meanwhile, this resort to terrorism, resort to violence has got to stop because this is counter-productive. This is something which sets everything eschew, even all plans for dialogue, all plans for round table. Everything is thrown out of gear when violence is resorted to. Therefore, this is something which is totally unacceptable. And, I must, on this occasion, finally congratulate the people of Jammu. Despite repeated provocations over the last fifteen years -- our Shri Raghunath Mandir was attacked twice, which is the most holy temple in the State; the Amarnath Yatris were attacked; the Vaishno Devi Yatris were attacked; there have been attacks upon attacks -- but the people of Jammu had stood firm. They have maintained communal harmony. One-third of Jammu is Muslim, do not forget that. I must pay a tribute, on the floor of this House, to the people of Jammu for the way in which they have maintained firmness. However, as has rightly been said, that does not mean that these sorts of atrocities can be tolerated forever. So, I think, the time has come now when we must together -- and, I am very glad that we did not bring polemics into this debate -- meet this challenge because it is a challenge to the security and welfare of India. And, the collective will of the people of India, as expressed to this House, should assert itself and say that we will not tolerate this sort of activity; we will maintain communal harmony; and we will strengthen the unity of India. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE (WEST BENGAL): Sir, I thank Dr. Karan Singh, who has elaborately narrated the present situation in Jammu & Kashmir. And, almost at the end of the day, now, we have heard that our two Ministers went to the place, the other two sites, after suspension of the Question Hour and after suspension of other activities. Anyway, Sir, on behalf of my party, I spoke for sometime, but I could not be heard. So, I am thankful to you for giving me this opportunity.

(Contd. by 3s -- VP)

VP-MCM/6.40/3S

SHRI PRASANTA CHATTERJEE (CONTD.): Sir, our Party has condemned the Doda massacre. It is really a very heinous crime against the mankind. It is needless to mention that it weakens the national unity, it weakens the progress and, we must, the entire nation must unitedly fight the situation; the menace. Our Party, the CPI (M) has pledged to fight that menace.

Sir, in Kashmir it is not a new incident. One of our Party leaders, who is an MLA, Shri Tarigami, was targeted by the terrorists. He narrowly escaped the attack by the miscreants; the terrorists. His nephew was murdered. Perhaps, he was a Muslim. ...(Interruptions)... He was a Muslim. Twenty-five of our comrades lost their lives. We do not want to recognise the victims on the basis of religion because that will be detrimental to the national interest. Sir, we have expressed our condolences to the memory of the persons who have been killed, not on the basis of religion, but as a national tragedy. Sir, such terrorist activities and attacks in Jammu & Kashmir took place, I would like to mention, to create communal disturbances, communal tension, disturb normalcy in the State, and also to disturb the peace initiative and the peace process there. Dr. Karan Singh has mentioned and emphasised that point also. Sir, we must emphasise that the security forces must find out the culprits. They should take all the measures for that. And, Sir, the State Government must find out, and plan very suitably to provide security to the very scattered regions as mentioned by Dr. Karan Singh. It is the duty of the Indian Government to process that matter.

At the very end, I would like to mention that steps to build up peoples' morale and courage to combat terrorism should be vigorously pursued and implemented. This is the task of the entire nation and thus the Government. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

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* Pp 582 Onwards will be issued as Supplement.

RE. DODA KILLINGS - (CONTD.)

ִ ̴֕ (ָ Ϥ) :  և ָ ָ, ֮֯ -ִ֯ ָ ֮ פօ 0 ֮ ߸ ֛ ָ ָ֤ ו ָ כ ֵ֜ כ֮ , ִ ûִ ֟ , ײֻ ֟ , ֌׸ ־ֻ , ֻ ִִ ָ־ֵ ־ֻ ָ, 36 ָ ֋, ֮ ָ , ֙ ָ ûִ ׮֙ ָ ֮ ָ ׮֮ ו֮ օ ָָ , ָ ָ , ֮ ֲ ֲָ ֟ ֤֟ ן׾׬ֵ ָ ֮ ֤ ״ֵ֟ ֟ , ֮ ֮ ֋? ָ ٙ ״ֻ ߸ ֻ ָ ׮ֻ֮ ß־ ָ ײֻ ֻ , ޛ ָ ָ ߸ ß֮ ߸ ӓ օ (3t ָ ֿ:)

GS-PK/3T/6.45

ִ ̴֕ (֟) : ױ , ׮֮ ֡ և, ֮ ꌵ׸ ־֕ ֙ ևԅ ֲ ָ , - ָ פ ֵ ָ, ֛ ֣ ֛ ֲ Ӥ ִ Ù , , ֤֟ ֙ ִֻ֮ ִ ֵ, ûִ ִ ֵ, ûִ ֚ ִ ֵ, ֵָ , ׸ֻ ֵ ָ ִָ פ ָ ֻ , ִ ִֻ֮ , ִָ פ ָ , ֛ ָ ֵ ָ֤ ִָ פ ֛ ֵ ïֻ ָ ևԅ ָ֤ ֤ ִָ פ ֤ؕ ׮, ֲ ָ פ ֵօ ָ ߸ ֣ פ ָ ֻ , ָ ֲ ָ פ ֵ, ֤ؕ ׮օ ָ ָ֤ ײֻ ָ֮ ֮ פ ָ , ִ ִֻ֮ ִ ֵ, 㴲և ָ֙ , , ׾ֻ-ָ , כ Ù , ִֻ֮ ִ ֵօ ׯ֔ ָ ִ-Õ֤ Ù , ִ ִֻ֮ ִ ֵ , ִ ִֻ֮ ߅ ָ֮, , ֻ֮ Õ֤ ָ™ ֻ , ִ ֵ, ָָ , ׻֋ ֟ ֟פ ֕ , ֟ , ׻֋ ֟ ֺ ֤֟ ֤֟ , ֵ֮ Ӭָ ָ Ӥ, ָ™ , ָ ׸ֵ֛ ָ, PWD ӕ׮ֵָ ָ Ù ״ֻ ֻ Ͼ֤ ֚ ׯ֔ ߮ ָ և ִ ֵ֮ , וִ ִ ֵ ־֮ ָ ֵ, ߮ ָ ܴ ֵ ָ פ 㴴 ִ ֟ ֕ , ָ פ 㴴 פ ֕ Õ֤ ֻ օ פ 00 ߬ ֵ֮ פ ִ , ָ ֙ ߮ ֮ ֤ ֙ օ ָ פ ֵָ և00 ֵ֮ פ և ִ ֵ֮ , ָ֟ ִ օ ֲ ָ , -ִֵ֕, , ל ִֻ֮ և ևՅ ֲֻ֟ Ӭָ ָ , ߛ ׸ֵ֛ ӕ׮ֵָ , ָ , ûִ - ׯֵ, Õ֤ ֌ ֵ ֵ ֵָ և և, ֲ ָ ֲָ ׸ ֵָ ֟ ו ֮ Ù ֵ - Ù ֮ , ߕ ֲָ ׻ , ָ և ևԅ ߕ ָ֟ ֲ Õ֤ ָ Ù , ִֻ֮ ֲ ִ Ù ָ™ ״׮Ù ״ֻ օ Ù , ָ֮ Ù , ֻ֮ Ù , ִ ֕ ָָ ֵ ָ Ù , և ִ ֮ 㴲և ָ֙ , כ , Õ֤ ָ֮ Õ֤ Ù ֵ ? ûִ ֚ ֵ, ֺ ֵ, ֤ߠ ָ ִ , ֚ ֵ ֱֻ ֵԾ ֵ ? ָ֙ Ù , ִ ûִ ־֮ ֵ ָ ߮-߮ ֻ ֻ օ ߮ ֻ ֻ֮ ֤ ֲ ֲ ֵ ֲ ִ֮֟ ֻ ߮ , ָ™ ָָ ִ֮֟ ׮֮ ױ ָ- ߮ ֻ ֵ, ױ ָ™ ָָ ֻ և ֻ , Ӥ כ״֮֮ ֮ , ָ , ֈ Ӥ ֮ ֮֟ 㴲և ־֮ ָ, ֜-׻, ׻ ָ פ ׻ ָ ָ 302 ֻ , ֻ ִ ֯ , ׮ֻ֓ ֻ֟ ִ֮֟ ״ֻ և, ֲ ׮ֻ֓ ֻ֟ ָ 302 ִ֮֟ , ֕ ָ™ ־֮Դ ִ֮֟ ֻ֮ ׻֋ և ָ ָ ִֻ֮ , ו և֟ ָ פ ֵ, ױ ָָ ֻ ִ֮֟ ֻ ևԅ

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ָ ֟ ו֋

ִ ̴֕ : ָ, כ״֮֮ ֋, ߕ ֤֟, ֤֟ ָ ֟ 㻴 ևֱ , ֤֟

(1 ָ ָ)

SC/6.50/3U

ִ ̴֕ (֟) : ֤֟ ֟ ֲ ״ֻ- ָ כ , ָ ֙ և ָ ֟ Ƌ - ..(ִֵ ә) ֋, ֟ ֋օ ..(־֮֬).. ׻֋ ֕ ֮ ֋, ֲ פ ׸ӛ ״ֻ - ֲ ֋ ֮֯ , -߮ פ ֲ֤ ףֵָ ״ֻ ו פ ֤ ֵ, פ ָ פ ִ֮֟ ֋ ֯ ו֋

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ֌ ֟ և1 ߛ ָ ֻ ֋, ׻֋ ֯ ֮ ָ ׻֋ ..(־֮֬)..

ִ ̴֕ : ߛ ֜־ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ֌ ֵ

ִ ̴֕ : פ ߛ - ִֻ֮ ֟ , ӛ ־ֻ ..(־֮֬)..

ӕֵ ֈ : ֲ֤ ֋ , ֓ ָߋ ״ֻ

ִ ̴֕ : , ״ֻ , ָ ӌֵָ ֤ : ֻ ֤ ֟ օ ֟ օ..(־֮֬)..֯ , ֻֆ, ٕ֕ ֆ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן : ̴֕ , ָ , ֯ ָ ֮ ֟ ֟

ִ ̴֕ : ָ, ֤ ׻֋ ָָ ..(־֮֬)..

ֳ֯ן :

ִ ̴֕ : ָ և ָ ֋ ֻ ׻֋ ָ ֟ פ ׮֮ , ו֮ , ׮֮ , ָ ֋ ֣ ֣ כ״֮֮ ֟ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

0 ִ ӛָ (ײָ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ߮ Ԯ ׮֤ ß׮ֵ , ֟פ ߅ ֮ ֙ ִ֕֟ , ׮֮ ָ ׸ ֻ ߤ , ן -Ӿ ֌ , ֕ ӟ׻֟ ָ ֮֮ߵ ӳ߸ ׾ֵ ָ ֓ ָ ӟ ֮֋ օ , ֙ ִõ , ִ ִϤֵ ִõ ֤֟ ™ߵ ִõ ֲ ֤֟ ֻ , ׸ ֮ ָָ , ֳ ׻֋ ؓ֟ ׾ֵ , ִֻ֮ ֕׸ ֻ, , ִֻ֮ , և , ß֮ ֕׸ , ß֮ ֕׸ ֮ ֕ ߕ ָ֕ ֵ ִ ߕ , ִ ֟ ֟ 0 , ״ּ ֋ ִ-߸ ָ , , ֻ , , ִõ , ו ָ ֮֮ߵ ֮֟ ׾ßָ ָ ֓ , ָָ ָ֟ ִ-߸ ן ֻ ϵ֟ ָ Ϭִ֮ӡ, ָ ָָ פ ֤֟ , ֟ ָ ן ֻ ֟ , , ן , ִϤ׵ ֮־ , ֵ֤ ־֙ ֋ ָ ִֵ ϵ ֻ , ϵ ׻֋ ָ ֤֟ ֟ ߅ ֲ ָ ֻ (3 ָ ֿ:)

MP/SKC/3W/6.55

. ִ ӛָ (֟) : ָ ִ-߸ ָ , ׮׿֟ פ ֟ ߓ ֋ ִֻ֮ ָ , ָ ױ ֟פ ן , ִ , ִϤֵ

, ָָ ־ֲ֤ ֙ֆ ו ָ ӡ , ӡ ִ-߸ ܵ ӡ þֵ ã֮ ׮ָ , ׮ָ ֤ ױ ֙ֆ ָ־ע , ֮ ָ ָָ Ծ , ֳ ٙ ™ߵ ִõ ״ֻ, -ָ ־ , ָ ־ֿ ֛, ׻֋ ֳ ٙ և ֳ ָָ ֤֟ ֻ ֤֟ , ٻִֵ ָ ֤֟ ֻ օ ֣ פ ָ ֓ , ָ֟ ה ֙֋ , ָ ן ֤־ ׻֋ ׻֋ ֮ ֳ פ ָָ ֛օ ָ ָָ -׌ ָָ , ֙ֆ ֵ , ֟פ ֱֵ ֲ ֣ ֮ ֟ ִ֯ (ִ֯)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Shri Satyavrat Chaturvedi. It is his maiden speech.

֟־Ο ֟ (ָӓֻ) : ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ߳֟, ֮־ߵ ֵָ֯ ֻ , וִ ָ ֋, ֵֻ , ָ ֓ ׻֋ ֕ ֤ ã֟ ֲ ֮ ָ ֮ ֙ ָ ֳ , ו֮ ֙ ֮ ֮ , ן ֮ ӕ׻ ֌ ׸ָ֮ ן ٤ -Ӿ ֌

, ֙ , , ִ , ִִ ֟ ֳ֟ ָ , ֻ ָ ֵ , ִ ֲ ֟Ԯ خ֤ ֱ ״֟ ד֟ , ֲ ־ֲ֤ ִֻ ָ - ֤֟ ׾ֹ, ָ ִִ ֮֕ן ׾ֳ֮֕ - ו֮֟ , ִִ ׾ֳ֮֕ ־֕, ֤֟ ׾ֹ ֲ ֵ , ך ™ ֛ , ָ ֕ ־ֿ ֲ ֻ ֕ ֓ ׻֋ ׾֯ ß , ֲ ָ ׾ß ֓ ו֮֟ , , ֯ ׾ פ֮ , כ , ׻֋ ִֻ֮ ָ ֻ ֮֟, ׻ ָ ָ ָߵ֟ ָ ֻ ֮֟ , ֲ ™ ָ ֻ , ™ߵ֟ ָ ֻ , ׸ , כ ? ֓ , ֮ ָ-ָ ֓ , ֕ ã֟ , ו ָ ָ-ָ ֤ ã֟ ֛, ױ ӡ ֮ , ӳ־֟: ָ , ֕ ֓ ßָ , ָ ֮ؓ֟ , ֵ֤ ֤ ֻ߮ , ֤ Ӥ ֟ ִ ִ ֤ ֵ , ָ ֟ ֳ֟ (3 X/ASC ָ ֿ:)

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