PREVIOUS HOUR
PB-MCM/1F/12.00

The House re-assembled at twelve of the clock,

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.

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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Papers to be laid. ...(Interruptions)... ָ ו֋ ......(־֮֬)

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, the House was adjourned when the Leader of the Opposition was on his legs. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, the House was adjourned. ...(Interruptions)...

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : כ֮ ֮ ו֋, ػ ו֋.......(־֮֬) ָ ו֋ ......(־֮֬)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No; no; it has been agreed ... ...(Interruptions)... ֯ ך ...(Interruptions)... Ahluwaliaji, it has been agreed ... ...(Interruptions)... It has been agreed that there will be a discussion immediately after the laying of Papers. ...(Interruptions)... ָ כ֮ , ֟ ו֋........(־֮֬) ָ ׮֋,......(־֮֬) Please, please. ...(Interruptions)... , ֯ ך......(־֮֬)... ֋, it has been agreed --the Chairman has allowed -- that immediately after the laying of Papers, the discussion on Doda killings will take place ...(Interruptions)... So, what difference will it make? ...(Interruptions)... No, what difference will it make? ...(Interruptions)...

׾ֵ֮ יָ : ֳ֯ן , ָ ָ ו֋.......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן :꿓֮ ָ ֵ օ

.. ׻ֵ : , ֮ ָ Ͽ օ The urgency of the situation demanded it. That is why we asked for suspension of the Question Hour. ...(Interruptions)...

ֳ֯ן : ָ ו֋ ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, the point is, there was the urgency. The urgency of the situation demanded it. ...(Interruptions)...

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ ֮ ػ ו֋ ֲ ֋ ֓ , ָ ו֋......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : כ֮ ו֋.....(־֮֬)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ִ ֯ ֮ ػ ו֋ ػ ָ և ֓ և......(־֮֬) ָ ֮ ֟ ػ ו֋ ֯ ֓ ׻֋ ָ .....(־֮֬) ֯ ֓ , ֯ ֟ ו֋.....(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ָ ״֙ ׻ֵ , Ù֙ ו֋.....(־֮֬)

כ֮ ו֋ օ .....(־֮֬)

DR. MURLI MANOHAR JOSHI: Sir, we are not objecting to that. But before Papers are to be laid, let him speak. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Let him finish. ...(Interruptions)... Let him finish. ...(Interruptions)... ָ ײֿ֮ օ ײֿ֮ ֋ ֤ ֮ ػ ו֋օ......(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : כ֮ ו֋.....(־֮֬)

֓ : ן֯ ִ׮֟ ָ ָָ , ߳֟ ֙ ָ כ֮ ו֋, ׻֋ ָ .....(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : כ֮ ו֋.....(־֮֬) ֯ כ֮ ו֋, ֤ ......(־֮֬)

֓ : כ֮ ֤ օ

ֳ֯ן : ֤ כ֮

֓ : ָָ ָ כ֮ ׻֋ ֟ (־֮֬)

ִ׮֟ ֤õ : ָָ ָ ,. . . . .(־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : ָָ ָ ......(־֮֬)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ו֋.....(־֮֬)

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, the House cannot run like this. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Some Ministers have to go to the other House. So, let the Papers be laid first. I appeal to the House to let the Papers be laid. ...(Interruptions)... It is a small thing. ...(Interruption)...

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: What is the urgency of laying of Papers? ...(Interruptions)... What is the urgency? ...(Interruptions)...

ֳ֯ן : ָ ֈ ֮ ...(־֮֬)

SHRI JASWANT SINGH: Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I have no difficulty in the Papers being laid. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please. Please. ...(Interruptions)... Let me listen. ...(Interruptions)...

THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (SHRI JASWANT SINGH): Sir, I had been called. The proceedings of the House were interrupted. The House got adjourned. You are now requiring that the Papers first be laid, and, thereafter, whatever submission I have to make, I will make, and then you give your ruling, whatever ruling you want to give. I have no difficulty whatsoever. Please lay the Papers. ...(Interruptions)... The less the agitation on the Treasury Benches, Sir, the smoother will the working be.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, the Papers to be laid.

(Followed by 1g/SKC)

1G/12.05/SKC-GS

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

 

1.  SHRI A.R. ANTULAY: Sir, I lay on the Table

I. (1)  A copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following papers,     under section 13 of the National Commission for Minorities Act, 1992 :

 

(a) Fourth Annual Report of the National Commission for Minorities, for the year 1996-97.

 

(b) Review by Government on the Working of the above Commission.

 

(c)  Action Taken Memorandum on the Recommendations contained in the Report at (a) above.

(2)  Statement (in English and Hindi) giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (1) above.

II.  A copy each  (in English and Hindi) of the following papers:

 

(a)  Annual Report of the Maulana Azad Education Foundation,   New Delhi, for the year 2004-2005.

 

(b) Annual Accounts of the Maulana Azad Education Foundation, New Delhi, for the year 2004-2005, and the Audit Report thereon.

 

(c)  Review by Government on the working of the above Foundation.

 

(d)  Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (a) and (b) above.

2.  SHRI SUSHILKUMAR SHINDE: Sir, I lay on the Table, under section 179 of the Electricity Act, 2003, a copy (in English and Hindi) of the Ministry of Power Notification No.2/1(21)/2005-CERC dated the 18th November, 2005, publishing the Central Electricity Regulatory Commission (Indoor/Outdoor Medical Facilities) Regulations, 2005, together with delay statement.

3.  SHRIMATI RENUKA CHOWDHURY: Sir, I lay on the Table a copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following papers

(i)

(a)

Annual Report and Accounts of the National Institute of Public Cooperation and Child Development, New Delhi, for the year 2004-2005, together with the Auditor's Report on the Accounts.   

 

(b)

Statement by Government accepting the above Report.

 

(c)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (a) above.

(ii)

(a)

Annual Report and Accounts of the   Rashtriya Mahila Kosh, New Delhi, for the year 2004-2005, together with the Auditor's Report on the Accounts.   

 

(b)

Statement by Government accepting the above Report.

 

(c)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (a) above.

4.  SHRI MD. ALI ASHRAF FATMI: Sir, I lay on the Table

I.  A copy (in English and Hindi) of the Ministry of Human Resource Development (Department of Secondary and Higher Education) Notification S.O. 212 (E) dated the 12th April, 2006, publishing the All India Council for Technical Education (Member-Secretary) Recruitment Rules, 2006, under section 24 of the All India Council for Technical Education Act, 1987.

II.  A copy (in English and Hindi) of the Ministry of Human Resource Development (Department of Secondary and Higher Education) Notification F.No.CA/5/2005 dated the 7th January, 2006, publishing the Council of Architecture (Minimum Standards of Architectural Education) (Amendment) Regulations, 2005, under sub-section (3) of section 44 of the Architects Act, 1972.

5.  SHRIMATI SUBBULAKSHMI JAGADEESAN: Sir, I lay on the Table

I.  A copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following papers, under sub-section (1) of section 619A of the Companies Act, 1956:

 

(a) Sixth Annual Report and Accounts of the National Handicapped Finance and Development Corporation (NHFDC), Faridabad, for the year 2002-03, together with the Auditor's Report on the Accounts and the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India thereon.   

 

(b)  Review by Government on the working of the above Corporation.

II.      Statement (in English and Hindi) giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (I) above.

 

 

REPORT OF THE DEPARTMENT RELATED PARLIAMENTARY STANDING COMMITTEE ON PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS

 

֤ ֤ (ײָ) : , ׻ִֵ ן ӡֵֻ "֮ (2006-2007)" ӲӬ ׾ֳ Ӳ׬֟ ׻ִֵ ן ӲӬ ֤ߵ ãֵ ״ן (2005-06) 9 ן־ ן ( ֣ ) ֳ ֙ ָ ֟

(Ends)

 


ALLOCATION OF TIME FOR DISPOSAL OF GOVERNMENT LEGISLATIVE AND OTHER BUSINESS

 

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I have to inform Members that the Business Advisory Committee in its meeting held on Friday, the 12th May, 2006, has allotted time for Government Legislative Business as follows:-

BUSINESS TIME ALLOTTED

            I Consideration and passing of the following Bills:-

            (i) The Code of Criminal Procedure

(Amendment) Amending Bill, 2006 1 hour

            (ii) The Assam Rifles Bill, 2006 3 hours

            (iii) The Spirituous Preparations (Inter-State

Trade and Commerce) Control (Repeal) Bill, 2005 Half-an-hour

 

            (iv) The Wildlife Protection (Amendment) Bill, 2005 3 hours

            (v) The National Institute of Fashion Technology

Bill, 2005 1 hour

            II Consideration and passing of the Delhi Laws

(Special Provisions) Bill, 2006, as passed by

Lok Sabha 3 hours

 

            III Consideration and passing/ return of the

following Bills, after they have been passed

by Lok Sabha :-

 

(i) The Banking Regulation (Amendment) Bill, 2005 3 hours

(ii) The Reserve Bank of India (Amendment) Bill, 2005 2 1/2 hours

(iii)The Taxation Laws (Amendment) Bill, 2005 2 1/2 hours

(iv) The Constitution (105th Amendment) Bill, 2006 1 hour

(v) The Drugs (Control) Repeal Bill, 2006 Half-an-hour

            The Cess Laws (Repealing and Amending)

Bill, 2005 Half-an-hour

(vii) The Actuaries Bill, 2005 2 hours

(viii) The Government Securities Bill, 2004 2 hours

(ix) The Union Duties of Excise (Electricity)

Distribution Repeal Bill, 2006 Half-an-hour

 

(x) The Food Safety and Standards Bill, 2005 3 hours

(xi) The Small and Medium Enterprises

Development Bill, 2005 3 hours

 

(xii) The Parliament (Prevention of

Disqualification) Amendment Bill, 2006 3 hours

 

The Committee also reiterated that the House may sit up to 6.00 P.M. and beyond, as and when necessary, for the transaction of Government Legislative and other Business and if necessary, lunch hour may be dispensed with. (ENDS)

MOTION FOR ELECTION TO THE CENTRAL

ADVISORY BOARD OF EDUCATION

 

THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARJUN SINGH): Sir, I move the following Motion:

 

That in pursuance of Paras 2 and 5(b) of the Ministry of Human Resource Development (Department of Secondary and Higher Education) Resolution No. 2-24/93-PN.I dated the 6th July, 2004 read with item No. 5 (ii) of the Annexure thereto, this House do proceed to elect, in such manner as the Chairman may direct, one Member from among the Members of the House to be a Member of the Central Advisory Board of Education upto 5th July, 2007 against the vacancy caused due to retirement of Shri Balavant alias Bal Apte from the Membership of Rajya Sabha.

 

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

 

(Ends)

 


MOTION FOR ELECTION TO THE COURT

OF THE UNIVERSITY OF DELHI

 

THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARJUN SINGH): Sir, I move the following Motion:

That in pursuance of item (xix) of clause (1) of Statute 2 of the Statutes of the University of Delhi, read with section 43 of the Delhi University Act, 1922 (No.8 of 1922), this House do proceed to elect, in such manner as the Chairman may direct, one Member from among the Members of the House to be a Member of the Court of the University of Delhi in the vacancy caused by the retirement of Shri Arun Jaitley from the Membership of Rajya Sabha on the   2nd April, 2006.

 

The question was put and the motion was adopted.

(Ends)

RE.: DODA KILLINGS

THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSTION (SHRI JASWANT SINGH): Sir, my submissions were interrupted and I couldn't complete...(interruptions)...

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY (KARNATAKA): Sir, I have a point of order...(interruptions)...238 A...(interruptions)...In the course of his speech, when you were not in the Chair, the hon. Leader of Opposition made a remark against me when I made a submission saying that the matter could be taken up after 12 o'clock and we are also going to condemn. Then, he made a remark saying that a member from Karnataka -- referring to me * . (Contd. by 1H/KSK)

KSK/SC/1H/12.10

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY (CONTD): Now, while speaking against hon. Member or Members, can I make a statement saying that they suffer from * ? And, if that is so, Sir, either I should be sent for medical examination. If there is a case ...(Interruptions).

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

 

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will look into the records....(Interruptions). I will look into it.

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: No, Sir, looking into the record is not sufficient.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I have to give a ruling. So, I have to examine.

SHRI JANRADHANA POOJARY: Sir, Secretary-General was there....(Interruptions). Everybody has heard it.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I was not sitting in the Chair. I have to examine it. You have brought it to the notice of the Chair. You have raised a point of order. You need a ruling. I will do it....(Interruptions). You have raised a point of order...(Interruptions). Mr. Hariprasad...(Interruptions).

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, we want a ruling from you. Then, he can make a submission here.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: See, Mr. Janardhana Poojary has rasied a point of order. He has brought it to the notice of the Chair that certain words were used against him. I was not sitting in the Chair at that time. I will examine and will take a decision on it. Please.... (Interruptions).

SHRI JASWANT SINGH: Because whatever submission I had to make, or have to make, has been the victim of frequent interruptions. Very briefly, I will encapsulate what it is that I have submitted. Because what I said, Sir, was that what we are witnessing in Doda earlier and recently -- I am not going into the details of the incidents -- it is the larger dimension of what we are faced with, and I do submit, and I submit with all seriousness, that what we are confronted today is the simultaneous challenge of four factors - it is of genocide; it is of ethnic cleansing; it is of the assault of terrorism; and when confronted with this, it is combined with the attitude of both, the State and the Central Government. And, it is in that context I had submitted, Sir, and I reiterate my request that considering the importance of the subject, considering the issues that I have highlighted and considering also that as a House befitting equal status in consideration, that the debate be attended and responded to either by the Leader of the House, or by the hon. the Home Minister, or certainly by Mr. Pranab Mukherjee. I do not think we make an unreasonable demand on the Government by so requesting, though it is possible that I can also make a request that consultation with the Government and Ministers of the Government are best held outside of the House, and not within the House as the Ministers transit through the gallery. (Interruptions) Now, I had also then said, Sir, that it is entirely possible that some on the Treasury Benches, as has been evidenced by their conduct, are disinclined to stand up and do what the fight against terrorism requires us to do....(Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please, the Leader of the Opposition is speaking.

SHRI PRAVEEN RASHTRAPAL: He is telling what....(Interruptions).

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ך ..(־֮֬).. ך, ך..(־֮֬).. Rashtrapalji, ֯ ך, please, let us maintain order. The Leader of the Opposition is speaking. Please listen to him.

SHRI JASWANT SINGH: It is also possible, Sir, that you are so disinclined to stand up and even protest at what is happening in Doda, against evidence, because victims of this barbarous act are those who subscribe to the Sanatan thought, or to the Vedic Dharm, or who are proud to call themselves and be called 'Hindu'. If that is why, you are not protesting.....(Interruptions).

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ֲ ָ ֋, ֌ ֯ ׻֋օ..(־֮֬).. ֯ , ֲ ֮ ֟ օ..(־֮֬)..

(followed by 1j)

GSP-MP/12.15/1J

SHRI JASWANT SINGH : It would be, for us, Sir, a very great loss, as India. Of course, there could also be some who secretly delight that because it was a BJP dharna that has been attacked and because it is BJP workers that have been killed or maimed or injured, therefore, why to protest about it at all. Why do I say this, Sir? I say this, again in great pain, because of what the hon. the Chief Minister has said -- I will not cite it; I am sure subsequent speakers will cite it -- and the fact that the hon. Home Minister has not found it fit to yet visit Doda even once. It is a major tragedy that has taken place. It is an attack upon India and I do believe that amongst the responsibilities that the hon. Home Minister carries is the responsibility to, at least, go at the venue and examine for himself as to what has happened. And, why did we ask for a discussion, Sir, is because, in all this attitude that the hon. Home Minister demonstrates -- what I can only call, 'petrified to goodness'! -- he is perpetually bewildered by which stand he should take on the one hand or on the other. Now, terrorism does not provide us with that kind of leeway. And the stand has to be taken every time and each time, and, resolutely, and, if the principal sword arm of the Government, which is the Home Ministry and the Home Minister is itself blunt or confused or unable to decide what is to be done, then, we will, Sir,...

In 1994, the BJP adopted a Resolution cautioning the government -- of what is taking place now -- of what had earlier happened in the Valley by way of the eviction of the Pundits from the Valley resulting in an 'ethnic cleansing', which is what is being reflected in Kishtwar, in Bhadarwah, in Doda. If you hesitate to show this or say all this only because those that are being evicted, alongwith being citizens of this country, are Hindu, then please don't do this, and, whoever speaks from the Treasury Benches, I appeal to them to please bear this in mind because this is a very strong sentiment that prevails there and because there is ethnic cleansing threat, and, that is why we raised this question, Sir.

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Please don't say, one community or religion. Say, 'Indians'. The people that were killed were Indians. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, please...(Interruptions). Allow the Leader of the Opposition...(Interruptions)

׾ֵ֕ ָ : ִ ֲָ֟ ? ...(־֮֬)...

SHRI JASWANT SINGH: Why is this kind of attitude...(Interruptions)...

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ֳ֯ן : ֯ ׮֋, ֟ ׮֋ ...(־֮֬)...֋, ָ ֯ ֮ , ֯ ̺ ׻֋, ֮ , ֮ ו֋ ֯ ֲ ֮ , ֲ ֺ ׻֋օ ...(־֮֬)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, let them not communalise the debate. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, please...(Interruptions).. Please...(Interruptions).... You have brought...(Interruptions)... Mr. Narayanasamy, the debate has been...(Interruptions).. No Member will say what the other Member wants. He wants to say what he wants to say to the House. So, please...(Interruptions)

SHRI RAASHID ALVI: Sir, that is against the Constitution. (Interruptions) How can they be allowed? (Interruptions)

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ̸ ך.... , ̸ ך

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, the matter is not....(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Narayanasamy, this is not correct. (Interruptions) Please. Mr. Narayanasamy, please. Allow the Leader of the Opposition to make his submission. Then you counter it.

ֳ֯ן : , ֯ ך....֋, , ֯ օ Please sit down. Let us raise the level of debate. (Interruptions) Please. (Followed. by SK/1K)

SK-ASC/1k/12.20

SHRI JASWANT SINGH: Sir, in this attitude, let me submit -- I will conclude very briefly because our principal speaker will, no doubt, cover these issues -- with whatever understanding I have of the issues involved, that in all this attitude, there is a great disservice to India. There is, of course, and I say this again with pain, a patent dereliction of duty on the part of the Government of India as also the Government of Jammu and Kashmir.

I have a word, Sir, for the Prime Minister, just two words. May I remind the hon. the Prime Minister that his own National Security Adviser reports and the reports of the NSA to the Prime Minister have said precisely what I am saying? You don't have to berate me for what the present Government's NSA is saying. The NSA is not fighting shy of calling the classification of the citizens by whatever they are. That is a reality that we face in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. Under the guise of this very false secular run that you like to project for the sake of votes, don't turn the entire debate on the challenge in Jammu and Kashmir on its head. And, a word to the Prime Minister, Sir, a word to the Prime Minister, that beyond a certain point, please, Mr. Prime Minister, recognise that * . If the Prime Minister of my country continues to remain silent on the challenging issues of the day, then, that is a great disservice to the office that he holds and the responsibility that he has. * And, therefore, Sir, I appeal that for the sake of the issues that I have submitted here, if there are these four issues -- the Treasury Benches could well say these are not the issues and they could try and convince us -- if it is genocide that we face and if it is an ethnic cleansing and if it is the assault of terrorism that we are facing in there and if it is the whole question of the conduct of the Governments of India as also of the State and it is vital, in fact, mandatory, Sir, I appeal to you and the Chair, that, at least, one of the three, from the Government, mindful of the importance of the discussion, be present here. That is all the entire issue. Now, it is for you to grant us a discussion and for the discussion to commence.

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, I want to raise a point of order. He has used the word * . I would like to know whether it is a Parliamentary word.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will see ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: No, no. ...(Interruptions).. Sir, what is this? He is here. Let him say that ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: There is a procedure. I will look into it. ...(Interruptions).. I will definitely look into it. And, if it is unparliamentary, I will remove it. ...(Interruptions)..

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: You can ask him whether he has used the word or not. Against the Prime Minister, he is using that word. ...(Interruptions)..

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

SHRI PRAVEEN RASHTRAPAL: Silence cannot be compared *. ...(Interruptions).. Mahatma Gandhi ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will look into it ...(Interruptions).. ֯ ך ...(־֮֬).. ֯ ך , ֯ ך ֯ ך ..(־֮֬)...It will not go on record. Nothing will go on record...(Interruptions).. ָ ֟ ָ ֟ ...(־֮֬)..

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, he is using the word against the Prime Minister. ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Janardhana Poojaryji ...(Interruptions).. Yes, what do you want to say?

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, I want to know whether it is going on record.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I said I would look into it. If it is unparliamentary, if it is indecent, I will look into it. That is what I said. (Followed by 1l-YSR)

-SK/YSR-NB/12.25/1L

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Now, Sir, what will happen tomorrow if..(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Janardhana Poojary, so many hon. Members object, if the Chair goes on taking..(Interruptions)

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, tomorrow what will happen if...(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Nothing will happen. Please, sit down. (Interruptions)

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, the Prime Minister of the country..(Interruptions) Is this the way to...(Interruptions)

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.


MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It is the duty of every one of us to protect the honour of the Prime Minister. Don't think that others.. (Interruptions) Everybody has to protect the honour of the Prime Minister. He is the Prime Minister of the country. His honour will be protected. It will be done.

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, that is what I am submitting. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please, sit down. You cannot insist the Chair to immediately take a decision. I have promised that I will look into it. And that a..(Interruptions)

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, you heard it. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: There are certain procedures. There are certain procedures. I am bound to follow those procedures. Please,..(Interruptions)

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: The word * is an unparliamentary word.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I am looking into it. (Interruptions) We are examining it.

SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: Sir, where is the response of the Government? Sir, who is responding on behalf of the Government? (Interruptions)

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Nobody. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: There is a Cabinet Minister. (Interruptions) ׸ïӛ ... (־֮֬) Please, sit down. (Interruptions) The Minister is responding. (Interruptions) You just asked me who was responding on behalf of the Government. (Interruptions) I am asking the Government to respond.

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

֤ߵ ֵ ӡֵֻ ֕ ӡ ( ֓) : ֳ֯ן , Rule position ־ֻ , ָ ֤ ־ã և , "Any Minister can take down the notes when the discussion is taking place of any Department." ־ã ָ և , ֤ פ֮ ֲ ™ן ׳ֳ ָ Ϭִ֮ӡ ׸և , ֵֻ ӡ ׸և פ օ ֵֻ֯ ײ֮ ״׮Ù , , ֈ ӡ , ״׮Ù Ù ֵ ֵ , ׸և ׻֋ ӡ ֤ ã֟ ... (־֮֬)

.. ׻ֵ : Ϭִ֮ӡ ... (־֮֬)

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, this is not an issue of routine Department discussion; it is a very important and emotive issue concerning ..(Interruptions)

֓ : , ֯ objection , ֟ ו֋ Kaul & Shakdher ֈ ִֵ-ִֵ ָ, - rulings և , ֻ ... (־֮֬)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You see it is for the Government to decide..(Interruptions) It is for the Government to decide..(Interruptions)

֓ : ֯ objection concerned Minister , ֟ ו֋ ... (־֮֬)

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Where is the Prime Minister? (Interruptions)

֓ : ָ, ׾ֵ ָ ׾־֤ ... (־֮֬) ֤õ ׮׿֟ ֟-֟ ָ objection ... (־֮֬)

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, there are three people, namely, the Defence Minister, the Prime Minister, and the Home Minister. Any one of them can come..(Interruptions)

.. ׻ֵ : և Ϭִ֮ӡ ... (־֮֬)

֓ : ֮ ׮ֵָ ־ã , ױ ֤ ׮ֵָ , ...... (־֮֬)

ֳ֯ן : , ..... (־֮֬)

֓ : ֯ ה ׾ֵ ... (־֮֬)

ֵָ : ׮ֵָ ֟ .... (־֮֬)

.. ׻ֵ : ™ ־ֻ ... (־֮֬) ™ ־ֻ ... (־֮֬)

THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY): Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, can I make a submission? (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You have made a request that some Minister...(Interruptions) They have the Government Business. (Interruptions) They know...(Interruptions)

֓ : ׾ֵ ָ ֓ , ֻ obstruction , ׻֋ ֮ ... (־֮֬)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: As far as the Rules of this House are concerned, I can insist that a Cabinet Minister should be there. (Interruptions) But you are making a demand that the Prime Minister or the Leader of the Lok Sabha or the Home Minister should come. (Interruptions). It is for the Government to decide..(Interruptions). I cannot give direction. (Interruptions)

֓ : ֳ֯ן , ֯ ֤ ־ã ו֋ ו ׾ֵ ָ ֓ , ӡ ֮ precedents ו֋ NDA ֵֻ precedents ו֋ ... (־֮֬) ׾ֵ ָ ֓ ... (־֮֬) ֙ , ֯ ֤ ֙ ָ ֵֻ ֮ ֙֋ ... (־֮֬)

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: Sir, umpteen number of times, we also quoted Rule position..(interruptions).. on wide range of issues ..(interruptions) in this very House. The Prime Minister was called a number of times. (Interruptions) What has happened? (Interruptions)

(Contd. by VKK/1M)

AKG-VKK/1M/12.30

SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU (CONTD.): I can quote the Chair. The Prime Minister was called. The House was adjourned. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The only problem is that the same subject is being discussed in both the Houses. (Interruptions)

SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: It must be the same rule which has to be followed. (Interruptions)

֕߾ ㌻ : ӡ ֈ ֛ ־ֻ ־ֲ ... (־֮֬) ...

ֳ֯ן : MOS Home ... (־֮֬) ...

ӡֵֻ ֕ ӡ ( ֿ߯ ֵ־ֻ) : ֛ ִ߸ ׾ֵ ׾ֵ ָ ֳ כ֮ ֻ ָ ֮֮ߵ ײ֮ ӡ ֳ כ֮ ָ ... (־֮֬) ... ָ , ָ ֤ߵ ֵֻ֯ , ײ֮ ״׮Ù , ֤ߵ דָ֤ ... (־֮֬) ...

ֳ֯ן : և ״׮Ù ִ֮ և ... (־֮֬) ... Finance Minister is there.

֤ߵ ֵ ӡֵֻ ֕ ӡ ( ֓) : פ ... (־֮֬) ...

ֿ߯ ֵ־ֻ : ָ, ׾ֵ ָ כ֮ ֻ ... (־֮֬) ...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, the Ministers are here and they are taking note for the hon. Home Minister to come and reply. (Interruptions) What point of order? (Interruptions)

ֳ֯ן : ֵֻ֯ ... (־֮֬) ...

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ָ, ֵә ... (־֮֬) ...  ־ã Ͽ ... (־֮֬) ...

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ך ... (־֮֬) ... ־ã Ͽ , ֯ ך ... (־֮֬) ... Let the House be ordered. (Interruptions)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ߕ ... (־֮֬) ... I am rising on a point of order (Interruptions) ָ, ֵә ... (־֮֬) ...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: You are not serious about the issue. (Interruptions)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֮ ו֋ ... (־֮֬) ... ָ, ֵә ָ ֆ ... (־֮֬) ... ָ, ֵә ֻ ׾֯ ... (־֮֬) ... ߕ ... (־֮֬) ... ֻ ׾֯ ־ֻ , ֤ ׸ Ͽ ֲ ֤ , ִ ֤ ™ן ״ֻ ֤ ֮֟ ֕ ֳ ֕ ֳ ׾ֵ ָ ֓ ׻֋ ֲ ׾֯ ֛ ָ ֓ և ֋, ֟ ӡ ָ ß , ָ ӡ ß , ӡ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֋х ָ, ֮ ָ ֯ ׻֋, ָ , ֤ ׻֋, ָ , ׻֋ ֤ ֲ ֓ ֻ , ָ ӡ ß , ӡ ֋, ָ ӡ ֤ , ֮Դ ֮ , ӡ ֋ ... (־֮֬) ... ָ ӡ , ֤ ... (־֮֬) ... Ϭ֮ ӡ ֋ ... (־֮֬) ...

ֳ֯ן : ֟ և ... (־֮֬) ... ֋, ػ ... (־֮֬) ...

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ߮ ãן ֕ ֳ ֓ ֻ ߮ ߮ ֳ ׾ִָ֮֕ , ֤ ׸ Ͽ

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You see, to keep up the dignity of the House, there is a ruling. I will just like to read the ruling. (Interruptions)

ߴ֟ ִ þָ֕ : ֤ ֯ ָ ֯ע ֤ߵ ֵ ӡ ߮ ֺ ֵ ֋, ֲ ֓ ߅

THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY): Sir, may I make a submission? ...(Interruptions)...

ֳ֯ן : ײ֮ ״׮Ù ... (־֮֬) ...

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir, I am making a procedural submission. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: That is why I want ...(Interruptions)...

׾ ֤ : ָ, ׯ֔ ָ ֛ߋ ָָ ֮ ָ ֮ פ ֵ ... (־֮֬) ...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I am reading an earlier ruling of the Chair for making the point clear. (Interruptions) No, he is a Cabinet Minister.

SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: Sir, the issue does not concern his Department.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: How can I say that? ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: Sir, the issue does not concern him. (Interruptions)

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir, I am making a procedural submission.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I am reading a ruling of the Chair. The Chair has said, "Honourable Members, I share the concern of the hon. House. I have been present since morning and this question has been raised three or four times. It is with a sense of propriety and duty that I will have to tell the Parliamentary Affairs Minister that this House should not be ignored and at least one Cabinet Minister should be present here at all the times. This may be taken as a ruling from the Chair." That is what I am saying. (Interruptions)

(Followed by RSS/1n)

 

1N/HMS-RSS/12.35

ֳ֯ן : ֯ ֮ ә , ָָ כ֮ ֻ ״׮Ù և, ָ ߅

SHRI SURESH PACHOURI : Sir, under which rule is he raising the objection ָ, ֯ ׾ִ֮ϟ֯ ֮֮ ? ן ֟ ֋ ֻ פ ֋ ָ, ߛ ו ׾־֤ ָ , ׾־֤ ָ ָ ...(־֮֬)... ִֵ ֵ ֲ ֈ ...(־֮֬)... ֵ ֓ ִֵ - ֵ ꅠ (Interruptions)

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: Sir, he cannot raise an issue without the permission of the Chair...(Interruptions)...

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, you have quoted pages 272 and 273, if I am correct.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I read out rule 274.

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: What is the ruling number?

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Ruling No. is 393.

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, this is about a Motion of Thanks on President's Address.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Whatever it may be.

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, there is a difference of heaven and earth between the Motion of Thanks and this issue.... (Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Show me a ruling....(Interruptions)... When a discussion with regard to a particular department is taking place, the Minister concerned has to be present. I am not denying that fact. But, the question is, they have made a request when the discussion is going on....(Interruptions)...

SHRI S.S. AHLUWALIA: Sir, this is altogether a different situation...(Interruptions)...

֓ : ָ, ֲ ™ן ׳ֳ ֯ ׾ֵ ָ ֤ ֓ ׸ֵ Ϭ֮ ӡ ָ פ ֟ , ֵֻ ָ Ϭ֮ ӡ ָ ֋

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The House is adjourned till 1.00 p.m.

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The House then adjourned at thirty-seven minutes

past twelve of the clock.

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