PREVIOUS HOUR

SSS/3B/4.00

SHRI SHYAM BENEGAL (CONTD.): What it does need is the punitive tax system, the entertainment tax regimes in various States. I don't know how the Centre can help here because this is where that must come down substantially if the film industry has to properly prosper. Secondly, there is another problem here, which has to do with the fact that our film industry, which is a new phenomenon and has started over the last 15 years, is that of piracy. Piracy is one of those aspects, which eats into everything. It is one of the most dreadful things that have happened and we do not have any kind of proper legislation on it and certainly the Executive does not seem to help in this process. These are the two essential things that the Government should take serious steps about it. As far as the third thing is concerned, which I personally believe is very important, is that many years ago in the 1960s when Mrs. Gandhi was the Information and Broadcasting Minister, one of the things that was done was to encourage film making and that kind of film making which really meant to use cinema as a catalyst for social change. This is a concept which did create, in a sense a certain kind of movement. Now, obviously, when you make films of this kind, when the film industry functions in a laissez faire situation and it is dictated entirely by the market, there are lot of young film makers who want to make films that function as a catalyst of social change but they cannot possibly do that because nobody is going to fund them. Now, we used to have a mechanism of the National Film Development Corporation, which alas does not really exist anymore. There is a Bill; I saw of the National Film Development Authority, that Bill is apparently going to be placed on the Table. Now, there it is very interesting to see that you are going to have a recurring expenditure of Rs. 2000 crores which is a wonderful sum of money when it comes to that, but I would not like to move into an area where films are already being funded beautifully and why that needs any kind of support. It does not require any support. What we need is, the needs for creative expression through the cinema is an area that is felt not only by the Hindi film industry which is the Pan Indian film industry and is the most successful among all the regional film industries of the country but it is required in areas, particularly I would imagine in areas where the need to make films exist but there is no critical mass of an audience like the North-East. If you are thinking in terms of Manipuri films, the Manipuri films cannot possibly pay for themselves. There are other areas in the North-East similarly or in the South for instance, there are filmmakers who would like to make films in Tullu and Konkani. But you do not have the critical mass of an audience for films of this nature. But, this does require support. This kind of thing is very important and I do believe if that Bill ever gets passed and something happens there, there should be an ideological position that the Ministry should take in terms of supporting films. That is one aspect of it. The other one, of course, is in terms of censorship. Mr. Rajeev Shukla talked about censorship. I totally disagree with that concept. I personally believe that censorship is a matter where the industry itself must create a self-regulatory mechanism. I have been saying this for years and years and years. There has never been any serious attempt to do this because unless that happens, I do not believe that the Government should be actually sitting there and censoring things and imagining that it is working towards social good. It doesn't work towards any kind of social good. It is a negative instrument. It is meant to curb things. It is not meant to encourage anything. So, the censorship, in fact, simply does not work and I do not believe any attempt should be even made to re-work the censor code because ultimately we have the Constitution of India. (Contd. by NBR/3C)

NBR-AKA/3C/4.05

SHRI SHYAM BENEGAL (CONTD.): Whatever we do has to be within the parameters of the Constitution of India. And, it is the same thing when it comes to cinema or television or whatever.

Sir, the other point I wish to make is about television itself. Comments were made that there was a time when Doordarshan was producing exceptional programmes. I agree with that. There was a time when Doordarshan made exceptional programmes, because, at that time, Doordarshan was the sole broadcaster or telecaster in the country. When private telecasters come, Doordarshan, for the reasons best known to itself, decided that they should go on the basis of creating TRPs for themselves. Without, for a moment, considering itself as a national telecaster, you have a social obligation to the people of the country. You are not in it to make business. You are not in it to make profits. It is not the purpose of Doordarshan. It is not the purpose of the AIR. Doordarshan, essentially, has a very strong social role to play and that is what they should concern themselves with. Therefore, if they have to be involved in any kind of artistic thing, it should be on the basis of giving full play to the quality of work that is going to emerge, and not worry about whether they are going to compete with private telecasters.

Now, basically, these are the points I really wanted to make. Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity. (Ends)

SHRI C. PERUMAL (TAMIL NADU): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, I rise to speak on the working of the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. Today, with the advent of latest and new technology, television industry has grown manifold. Now, we are able to watch more than 100 channels, including foreign channels. While the growth is welcome, yet, this growth is unregulated.

Sir, I want to drive home the point that the growth of television industry has not been put to best use. I also welcome the growth of radio industry. Now, a listener has an ample choice.

I take this opportunity to bring to the kind notice of the Government the rumours spread by one private channel in Tamil Nadu. The channel is owned by family of a coalition partner of UPA Government. This channel is dead against the Government of Tamil Nadu. This channel spreads false news, rumours and always gives incorrect and incomplete information.

I wish to recall here the relief and rehabilitation measures undertaken after Tsunami by the Government of Tamil Nadu. It was appreciated not only by the hon. Prime Minister, hon. Home Minister, but all other dignitaries. And, there was also appreciation at the international level. The former President of the USA, Mr. Bill Clinton, also appreciated the Government of Tamil Nadu. In fact, Sri Lanka and Indonesia, which were also affected the worst by Tsunami, requested our Tamil Nadu Chief Minister, Dr. Puratchi Thalaivi Amma, to depute the officials to work in connection with rescue and rehabilitation after Tsunami in their respective countries. While the whole world appreciated the efforts made by the Government of Tamil Nadu after Tsunami, this television channel gave concocted news about the measures. The people of Tamil Nadu were happy about the measures undertaken by the Government of Tamil Nadu. They got their food, housing and other relief materials on time and also assistance for self-employment, fishing nets, etc. It is another story that the Central Government did not help at all.

Not only this, anything done by the Government of Tamil Nadu, the channel always twists the fact and gives false news. If the Government of Tamil Nadu announces any welfare scheme, the channel always gives incorrect and incomplete news thereby people get confused. Last year, the State witnessed unprecedented rains causing havoc and floods in the majority of the State. The State machinery swung into action and took necessary steps for rescue and rehabilitation of victims. But this channel, true to its word, telecast some old pictures to make people believe that the Government did not do anything.

(CONTD. BY USY "3D")

USY/4.10/3d

SHRI C. PERUMAL (CONTD.): Not only this, this family has a newspaper which also spreads false news. During the floods last year, when every channel, newspaper put the death toll correctly, this newspaper indiscriminately and falsely increased the toll and thereby created panic and confusion in the minds of gullible citizens.

Not only this, only this channel telecasts advertisements of the State-owned telecom companies and other channels cannot telecast them. In fact, a case been filed against this channel for this act. All the advertisements of the telecom companies are telecast by this channel because the Minister-in-charge of Communications happens to be a member of the family that owns this channel. This channel violates all the professional and ethical codes of conduct of television industry.

Sir, I strongly demand that a severe action should be taken against this channel and the newspaper. In fact, I strongly believe that the licence of this channel should be cancelled forthwith and actions be taken against the owners of the channel. What I am mentioning is all about the Sun TV, the Dinakaran, the Tamil Murasu and the Murasoli. (Interruptions) Sir, while coming to the working of the Ministry..(Interruptions) Sir, I may be permitted to continue my speech. (Interruptions)

SHRI R. SHUNMUGHAMSUNDARAM: Sir, this is totally....(Interruptions) This should not be allowed. (Interruptions)

SHRI C. PERUMAL: Sir, I am just mentioning what is happening in Tamil Nadu. That's all. (Interruptions) I am providing a true picture of what is going on in Tamil Nadu. (Interruptions)

SHRI R. SHUNMUGHAMSUNDARAM: Sir, he is naming some private T.V. channels. (Interruptions) This is unwarranted. (Interruptions)

SHRI C. PERUMAL: Sir, I am giving a true picture. (Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN: What is your complaint?

SHRI R. SHUNMUGHAMSUNDARAM: Sir, he is making certain allegations against a private T.V. channel. This is not a forum to complain about a private...(Interruptions)

SHRI C. PERUMAL: Whatever I am mentioning is true. (Interruptions) It is a fact, Sir. (Interruptions)

SHRI R. SHUNMUGHAMSUNDARAM: Can we debate this? (Interruptions)

SHRI C. PERUMAL: Sir, while coming to the working of the Ministry, I strongly believe...(Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN: Mr. Perumal, you speak generally, not on a particular T.V. channel. (Interruptions) I will look into the records, if it is anything against the rule, it will be expunged. (Interruptions) Mr. Perumal, you say whatever you want to say, but you are reading a speech written by somebody else. It is not good. Or, you lay it on the Table of the House.

SHRI C. PERUMAL: Sir, what I am reading, what I am speaking, is all fact. (Interruptions) I am not giving any false views. (Interruptions) I never give false views. (Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: No, you can refer to the notes and speak. But you are completely reading. (Interruptions) Listen! I was watching you. You were fully reading right from the beginning. This cannot be allowed. (Interruptions) You can refer to your notes. (Interruptions) Please sit down. I will control the situation. (Interruptions) No, no, please sit down. (Interruptions)

SHRI C. PERUMAL: Sir, my good friend is....(Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Perumal! (Interruptions) Mr. Perumal! (Interruptions) Mr. Perumal, you should observe the...(Interruptions) You address the Chair. (Interruptions)

SHRI C. PERUMAL: Sir, he is...(Interruptions) He looks only...(Interruptions)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: You address the Chair. But fully reading and only reading the speech is not in conformity with the rules. That's what I am saying.

SHRI C. PERUMAL: Okay, Sir. I come to the working of the Ministry. I strongly believe that there should be an inbuilt mechanism to take note of such instances and take action. Many companies and many channels have applied for starting new channels and also to expand their channel's network. I demand that the Government should take urgent steps in this regard.

Another important aspect is facilities to small and medium newspapers. They find it difficult to get newsprint at subsidized rates and on time. They should be given all facilities. A comprehensive policy in this sector is necessary. Another important aspect is that the welfare schemes announced by the State Governments should be given wide coverage and, in any case, it will benefit public only. For this, the press and information offices in the State should be directed to take necessary steps. (Contd. by 3e -- VP)

VP/4.15/3E

SHRI C. PERUMAL (CONTD.): Sir, I also demand that a broadcasting policy should be formulated at the earliest. I also take this opportunity to request that adequate staff be allotted for the Doordarshan studios at Madurai and Coimbatore. The existing vacancies in All India Radio stations in Tamil Nadu should be filled up immediately. FM channels should be started in Tamil Nadu wherever required. In my district Krishnagiri also a Doordarshan Kendra should be started.

In Dharmapuri district of Tamil Nadu, the All India Radio station is yet to be inaugurated because sufficient number of employees are not there. So, it has to be taken into consideration by the hon. Minister.

Sir, with these words, I conclude my speech. (Ends)

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): Thank you Mr. Perumal for sticking to the time. Smt. Jaya Bachchan.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN (UTTAR PRADESH) : Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, I waited for many months to speak on this subject, and I am so glad that today I got the opportunity. What I am going to say is not going to be very technical because so many technical points have been brought up. And, I feel a little awkward to say and make certain points in front of a Minister who has taken up the portfolio a few months ago. And, I do not think that would be very kind to him. I have very, very strong views on this. But, I will not impose those on you, Sir. This is a very, very important Ministry, especially, today. And, when we decide on who is going to be looking after the Ministries or different departments, we pay a lot of attention to the fact that the person who is going to be heading it has a certain technical background. With due respect to you, Sir, I think, you would require some more time to understand the functioning of this Ministry for you to really, convincingly answer all the questions that are going to be asked. Fortunately, for you there are not many people. You have just heard the former Minister of Information and Broadcasting, from the previous Government speaking. He has got his points absolutely right. I have had the privilege of working in an autonomous body with the I & B Ministry in the past. So, I have certain knowledge, and whatever I am going to say will come from that. I have written some points, I will refer to them. I am not reading them.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN: You can certainly refer to it, there is no problem.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sir, the most important thing is, this is my personal opinion, I do not think that the Government should be in the business of entertainment. It is not their job. The Government should be governing. The Government does not have the knowhow of competing with the entertainment business because it is a very highly competitive business today. All the agencies run by the Government or handled by the Government were established years ago by visionaries, by leaders who had a certain vision. They started certain activities and those activities have been throttled after the country started progressing and developing and these visions went into the background. Therefore, today I do not think the Government should be in the business of entertainment because if the Government gets into the business of entertainment, they will neither be here nor there. (Contd. by PK/3F)

PK/GS/3F/4.20

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN (CONTD.): This is the only Ministry, I feel, which has no accountability. For years together, this Ministry has been functioning. They make rules; they don't make rules. They follow rules; they do not follow rules. There is no accountability. Because, this Ministry, in public perception, is good only for media. What is conveyed through television or through radio is what this Ministry does, but that is not true. The Ministry has a lot of other things that it does. The television and the radio that this Ministry has under its portfolio are managed, but it is not up to the standards of the rest of the other Television channels or the other private radio channels. Therefore, they fall short. Because, again, being in the Government, you don't know whether you should be out and out commercial, or, you should talk about the country, the development and informing the people about the achievements, or, what the Government is doing. So, there is a bit of ambiguity there. So, there is no answerability; and, that is a huge problem. There is no vision. I do not blame this Government. I do not blame the past Governments. I blame all the Governments which have come and gone, that there was a vision when it started out, but, later there was no vision. They were only managing, and, very poorly. One of the most important activities that the people know about the Information and Broadcasting Ministry, for example, is Doordarshan. It is wonderful. I don't want to talk about the way the Doordarshan functions, the way things happen...(Interruptions).. Pardon me.

SHRIMATI PREMA CARIAPPA: It is doing well.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Doing well. Well, I don't want to talk about TRPs, because, just recently, some TRP reviews were given. So, let us not get into that discussion. But, I don't think that they are doing well. I think it is shoddy. It has no vision. It does not even have glamour that it pretends to have. I am sorry to say this, but this is the truth. We have to get a little objective. I am not blaming any individual, I am not blaming any party. I am talking about our lack of interest in the Department. Let us take Doordarshan. Whatever they show, is that good enough? The telecast quality is very poor. It shows our attitude towards the channel. Something that you can't see well, you don't want to see. There are other channels which are giving you information, a lot more masala,if that is what people like. So, that is, I think, shoddy. I am going to speak not superficially, but superficial level, because I don't want to go into details. I think there are very serious questions that one needs to ask the Information and Broadcasting Ministry, and, for that the Minister should have been in the job for a longer time than he has been. Why is it that when we watch Doordarshan, we feel that we are trying to compete with the English speaking channels. That is not necessary. ֯ ׻֋ ß֮ ׻֋, ׻֋, ־ ׻֋ Ӥ ׻֋ ָ Ԯ ָ ֟ Ԯ ָ ִ פֵ ֟ , ֟ ֟ ֲ-Ù ? ֻ ׸֮ ֟ , ֟ ֮ ֟ ? ֲ ָ ׾ָ֓ ֺ

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PB/3G/4.25

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN (CONTD.): Because it is a visual medium, and the visual medium, if it is not clearly -- and by 'clearly', I mean, 'clarity', I am not only talking about glamour and the glitz -- shown, it is not going to be effective.

Sir, under the I&B Ministry, we have the NFDC, the Films Division and the Children's Film Society. I have had the honour of being with the organisation, the Children's Film Society, for ten years. It was an autonomous body, and, as always, it was an honorary job. ...(Interruptions)... No; Sir, I don't like to hold offices of profit.

Sir, the NFDC, when it was visualised, was a wonderful concept, and every developing country has an organisation like NFDC. But what has happened to it? I just want to ask you that question, and I will leave it at that because, your answer to the House is good enough to tell us what is happening with the NFDC. The Films Division, a wonderful organisation -- what has happened to it? We have thousands, thousands and thousands of reels of fantastic documentary, documentaries on national leaders, national monuments, etc.; I mean, that organisation has done an amazing amount of work. What has happened to it? Where is it? What is the upkeep? I just want to ask that, you can answer that.

Sir, then I come to the issue of Children's Film Society, one of my pet subjects. The Children's Film Society is an autonomous body. Do we need a Society like this today? What is the work that the Society is doing? What is the kind of money you are giving to the Society? Is the money that you are giving enough? Please answer. I am not going to elaborate on it.

Now, I take up the issue of film censorship. Sir, if you ask me personally, I think, it is a shame that this country should still have film censorship. We are adults. The film industry is an adult industry. The film industry is functioning on its own without any support, any help of the Government. Why control? When are we going to stop controlling 'creativity'? Please control, but stop controlling 'creativity'; stop this word 'control'. We are adults; let us function like adults. Let our minds think independently. Please do not tell us, and I am not talking about only the film industry, I am saying it in general. I don't think we need a Film Censor Board. The industry is old enough and the industry is very answerable, and if people find certain things objectionable, do not go and see it. The censorship has to be within us and not to come from outside. ...(Time-bell)... Sorry, Sir.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PFOF. P.J. KURIAN): Try to be brief.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: We are so used to the dialogues being written for us and reading those lines written by somebody else. Reading your own lines take a little longer.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: But you are making very strong and bold points. (Followed by 3h/SKC)

3H/4.30/SKC

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: Sir, I am just asking for a little bit of sense of humour.

Sir, again, I am going to say what my other colleagues have said earlier. Piracy is a huge problem. One day the film industry people are celebrated as the highest tax-payers in the country, and the second day, you have Income Tax officials raiding them, asking how they paid so much tax; from where they got that much money? These are very, very funny issues. But, on piracy, there was a survey conducted in Maharashtra, in Bombay alone, about three years ago, where they said that in one DVD theatre, that is, in a small jhopdi, there are a hundred people who watch pirated DVD films, who are charged Rs. 10 per person. Mind you, it is a DVD print. So, they have hardly spent any money on it. There are, at least, five shows with five hundred people watching, who pay Rs. 10 each, and this is only in one jhopdi. There are 10,000 such places where people show pirated video films. Government is losing revenue; we are losing revenue. I am not saying that you can completely stop it, but what are you doing to control it? You need to take very, very strong action.

Forget about films, what about audio piracy? In our own country, there are places where there is audio piracy going on. It is shocking. If you go to the markets in Delhi itself, you would see audio cassettes being pirated and audio CDs being pirated. And, if you ask me, I think the way remixes of classic songs of cinema is done is also an act of piracy. It is somebody else's idea, somebody else has thought of it, somebody has sung it, somebody has directed it, somebody has acted in it and some one else is distorting and pirating it. That is what it is.

Sir, there are lots of questions to be asked, but I hope we get the opportunity to ask more questions another time and we can get into a bigger debate. But I would be very, very happy if you just answer certain specific questions that I have asked. Thank you very much for your time.

(Ends)

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (TAMIL NADU): Thank you, Vice-Chairman Sir. This particular subject has given rise to a lot of discussion. As a member of the Consultative Committee on I&B, I have seen that within the last seven years, seven Ministers have been in-charge. During the NDA regime, in four-and-a-half years, there were five Ministers in I&B. As the hon. Shri Ravi Shankar Prasad was saying, he also held additional charge of the Ministry of Mines and Coal and he could not fully concentrate on the I&B Ministry. Though he was a very dynamic Minister of that time, he could not deliver on certain things. Therefore, he has said many things here as advice to the present Minister.

Sir, we have great hopes from the present Minister, Shri Priya Ranjan Dasmunshi. He is a very good football player, a very brisk and dynamic person. Therefore, he should not be treated as a ball...(interruption)...I am coming to the point. It should not be like the many stars and positions that are thrown just like a ball in the I&B Ministry. It should not be like that. At the same time, it is high time to think whether we wish to continue with the Prasar Bharati Act or not. We need to think whether in this Act -- we should not use any unparliamentary word -- there is some duality. On the one hand, you want to give autonomous status to the I&B Broadcasting Ministry, that is for Radio and for Doordarshan, on the other, we are requesting that more time should be allotted for political parties and more news should be given for that aspect. (Contd. by 3J/KSK)

KSK/4.35/3J

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (CONTD): That means, you are curtailing the autonomous status of the Prasar Bharati. If you want to make it a corporate body, make it a corporate body. You should not deal with that corporate body. They should work as a private channel. They should compete with the private channels. They should have their own policy; they should have their own trade policy; they would have their own commercial policy. They should charge according to the market. Are we doing the same thing for the past decade? We are having a duality. We want to say that Prasar Bharati should be independent, but, at the same time, we have not yet decided about the Government staff which was there, at that time, as All India Radio staff or Doordarshan staff. Even now, they have not been merged with the Prasar Bharati. Many of the people who were working as a Programmer, as a Technician, as an administrative staff, have never got any promotion in the last 16 years. They have never got any other thing in their life. How can we expect that particular staff to be imaginative, to have the competitive edge over other private channels? But, even then, they are doing well. Even then, they are competitive. Even then, they have got all the qualities to compete with the private channels. I am dare enough to say that if you want to get the truth of a news item, then, you have to go to the Doordarshan or the All Indian Radio. You cannot get the truth in any private channel. They just blow up the issue. For example, in the morning, we may be having some issue due to which session could have been adjourned. But, the private channels telecast that the Parliament is rocked; the people have stopped it; the Parliament is adjourned. But, afterwards, we again convene. We do the business. Are they reporting it? But, the Doordarshan and the All India Radio report that there were discussions, that there were enactments of the Bills; that many of the things were done in the Parliament. In this way, damage control is done by the Doordarshan and the All India Radio. Therefore, I request that we should take a clear view whether the Information and Broadcasting Ministry should have the All India Radio and the Doordarshan as a wing of the Government or not. It should be like that because we cannot go on competing with the corporate bodies. Sir, on the one hand, some Members are saying that the Government should not go for commercialisation of these bodies; these should be service-oriented; these should have a social obligation. And, on the other hand, they ask the Government as to why it is not giving them so much of funds. How to give them funds? Therefore, they should be purely under the Government machinery. They should propagate and telecast what is happening. Today, both the Houses of Parliament are on the AIR. Doordarshan is telecasting the proceedings of the Parliament. Can NDTV or any other private channel telecast this throughout the day? They cannot do it. It is not commercially viable? But, Doordarshan does it. Therefore, there is a loss for the Doordarshan. Now, Executive action, that is, what the Prime Minister or the Ministers are doing every day, or which foreign dignitaries are coming, or what are the agreements entered into by them - all these things are telecasted by the Doordarshan and broadcasted by the All India Radio. Are private channels doing it? Have people got knowledge about it? People have knowledge that Varanasi is in the ethnic trouble; another party is going on Rath Yatra. That is the kind of telecast that is going on. That is the business they are doing. That is the emotional thing they want to show. But, Doordarshan gives the clear news. It gives the position of both sides - the Opposition and the ruling party. News relating to both, the Opposition and ruling party, are shown. It should be a part of the Government. That is my submission. I was a Member when NDA was in the Government. At that time also, I told that Doordarshan and All India Radio should give the Government programmes in a proper perspective. I conducted a multi-media campaign, even though I was sitting in the Opposition benches at that time. I conducted campaign about the Government programmes being implemented through different Departments. That was made as a multi-media campaign in my parliamentary constituency at that time and people were awakened. They were told that these were the programmes through the Government, through the banks, through the insurance companies. I can conduct the same thing now as the Chairman of the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Grievances. In 22 parliamentary constituencies in Tamil Nadu, we have conducted this multi-media programme through the I&B Ministry. The entire staff committed themselves. They have got the patriotism to say that this is the Government programme; for the people, we are bringing it. This is the product that people are getting. This is the service the Government is giving to the people. (continued by 3k)

GSP-NB/4.40/3K

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (CONTD.): Are the private channels telling this thing? Sir, some of the hon. Members were speaking about the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme. Is the NDTV, Sony or any other channel telling about it? They will highlight only if there is an error or if anything wrong happens. But they will never propagate the scheme that one can go and get the job; and the job is assured. And, even if one does not get the job in 15 days, salary will be given to the person who has enrolled himself under this particular Act. This was shown or depicted by Doordarshan, by All-India Radio throughout 24 hours, and, thus, a good message is delivered. For various Health programmes, Rural Health Mission, who is propagating and telling the people? None of the private channels is telling about these programmes. Only Doordarshan, All-India Radio and the media supported by the Government are telling that. Therefore, this thing is for the people and, so, we cannot expect to have special things from Doordarshan.

Sir, some Members have spoken about sex depiction, vulgarity and others things. Sir, you can see nothing of this kind on Doordarshan or in All-India Radio. They are doing everything properly and according to the rules. Therefore, I request that the Government should take a decision to repeal the Prasar Bharti Act and say boldly that this is a part of the Government machinery, it is for the people, it is for broadcasting the Government programmes.

Sir, further I would like to say that Songs and Drama Group, the field publicity department, the DAVP, all these departments are doing wonderful job. But the Government machinery is not at all properly using them. Sir, the hon. Finance Minister is not here.

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P.J. KURIAN): The Minister for Information and Broadcasting is here.

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN: Yes, Sir. But he has to again speak to the Finance Minister. We are pleading to the Finance Minister to allot more funds for the I&B Ministry. This is the only Ministry that can propagate the entire work of the Government machinery. Sir, a statement by the Finance Minister can be broadcasted on Doordarshan. The other TV channels will broadcast it only for a particular group of people who want to have that message, not for the poor people.

Sir, Doordarshan should be fully equipped by the Government money. All the public sector undertaking -- be it banks, insurance companies or any other public undertaking -- should spend, at least, 10 per cent of their publicity expenses in favour of Prasar Bharti, that is, Doordarshan and All-India Radio. Thus the financial crunch will not be there. They are unnecessarily paying to the other channels, which are not at all telecasting anything about the Government programmes. Sir, the culture and tradition are being taken care of only by Doordarshan and the Songs and Drama Division. They are carrying various messages to the people, to the ordinary people who are not even having a television, and, who look forward towards the Songs and Drama Group. The village people can understand things in a better manner through the dramatised programmes performed by the artistes or the village people. They are also getting jobs by these methods. There are poor people, the artistes, who are traditionally dependent on this Songs and Drama Division. These people are not offered these things by any other agencies, and, only the Songs and Drama Group, a part of Ministry of Information and Broadcasting, is doing this work by giving jobs to poor people. They are also doing the job of retaining the culture. I would like to stress upon the aspect of looking into the grievances of the Government staff in Prasar Bharti and also in the I&B Ministry. There should be immediate redressal of the grievances. There are many examples. I need not cite any particular case. A very good producer who is part of the Doordarshan, she faced sexual harassment by one of the persons in the staff ten years ago. Even till today, she has not got her salary. This is the kind of redressal mechanism that is working in the department. In the same way, there should be a proper policy for promotion for everybody. There should be absorption of the cadres. There should not be any differentiation between the technical, administrative and the programme executives, and, there has to be an appropriate convergence of all those people. (Contd.by sk-3L)

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SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (CONTD.): Then, Sir, I request that if the Government wants to retain Prasar Bharati, there should be total independence for All India Radio and Doordarshan to go commercially. They should earn money. They should earn money just like other private channels are earning. After the hon. Minister has taken charge, he has earned a huge amount of money for the Department, for the Government, through selling the slots for the FM bidders. So, that sort of earning should be utilised for equipping this Department.

(MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair.)

Then, Sir, there are Doordarshan Kendras and All India Radio Kendras which were built up during the Ninth Five Year Plan. They were fully equipped with the cameras and all the machinery. But, they do not have the human resource. They do not have the technical personnel. They do not have the programme executive. I can cite the example of Madurai, Coimbatore and Dharmapuri. These are the places already built with huge money. Crores of rupees were spent. But, they are locked up now. The Director of the All India Radio, Madurai, is looking after the Doordarshan also. There is no man to man the Doordarshan Kendra. The same thing is happening in Coimbatore. The same thing is happening in Dharmapuri. We have requested and our hon. colleague, Mr. Shunmugasundaram, has raised the same issue when the Finance Minister was there. He assured that it is not stopped on his part. But, I am very sorry to say that the Finance Minister should also clarify why the files are not cleared by the Finance Ministry. As I have heard in the reply of the hon. Minister, the recurring revenue losses should be curtailed by way of reducing expenditure. Sir, I request that whatever money, even one rupee, is spent for the radio and Doordarshan, that is for the welfare of the people and for the welfare of the Government. Therefore, there should not be any crunch for that. The Finance Minister should give more grants. Rs. 80 crores or something like that has been given in the Annual Budget. It is a very, very meagre amount. Thousands of crores rupees should be given for this Ministry. Then only, the people can be educated. They can be aware as to what is the programme. I want to give one small example, Sir. I wanted to make the same thing when the Finance Minister was there. But, I am making it now. There is one product in the public sector, that is, general insurance. If a person pays Rs. 15 per year, he gets Rs.15,000 worth of medicine and health care in any of the topmost hospitals, like, Apollo and all that. Another programme is there that if Rs. 365 are paid per year, and out of that Rs. 200 are paid by the Government of India and Rs. 165 are paid by an individual, medical care of Rs. 30,000 is available for the individual. Except the multi-media campaign, except the I&B Ministry, except the Doordarshan, except the AIR, will any other channel in the world or in India broadcast this thing? Whether they tell this message? Whether any one paper will tell this? They will not tell this because they are not for the aam aadmi. They are for the rich people. They have their own commercial aspects. But, Doordarshan and the AIR can tell this. People can be benefited by them only. So, Sir, the Finance Ministry should look into it. If they are spending about Rs. 6,000 crores for Health Department, let them spare, at least, Rs. 100 crore for this purpose so that ordinary people, who are taking such insurance, can get the best treatment in any hospital. This is one of the schemes of the UPA Government. But it is not given to the people directly because the insurance agent who is selling this product will not get commission. Therefore, he is not propagating it. Therefore, Sir, I would request that it is high time that the hon. Minister should take into consideration all these things and make Finance Minister give more money. (Time bell) Finally, Sir, I want to make one point. As the parliamentary proceedings are broadcast, the executive activities are broadcast, a person can go and see the judicial proceedings, there should be a place for broadcasting the judicial verdicts in the Supreme Court or in the High Court. That day should come. Then only, there will be a ...(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Natchiappan, this subject of broadcasting the judicial proceedings will not come under the purview of the Information and Broadcasting Ministry. (Followed by YSR-3m)

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SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN: When the hon. Chairman is taking a very hard decision of broadcasting whatever happens inside Parliament, why should not the judiciary take the same responsibility and broadcast what happens inside the court?

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It is the Parliament, which is permitted.

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN: Sir, it is time to broadcast everything. Transparency should be there for the judiciary also and for everybody, Sir.

Finally, I request the hon. Minister to consider this. There is no need to have a Censor Board at all, Sir. Already in the television broadcasting, there is a lot of vulgarity. We cannot regulate it even by an Act. From Hong Kong, everything is broadcasted. Who is going to stop it from Hong Kong? Rich people, middle-class people, and youngsters watch adult channels. Can we stop it in Hong Kong by law? We cannot do it. Therefore, why do we need the Censor Board now? If there is vulgarity in a film, let the court decide it. Let there be a law for that, and let the court decide it, Sir.

With this observation, I request the hon. Minister to devote some more time to this Ministry, because he is having only one portfolio other than the Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs. After the Parliamentary work, I hope he will pay much more attention to the total revamp of the Ministry. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

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PROF. P.J. KURIAN: Mr. Sinha, this point has been raised again and again. So, I am forced to ask you a question. You see a film on television. You only know the name of the film. We see the film with our family and obscene scenes come. Then, you say, audience should decide. How can we decide? Only when we see, we find that it is obscene. (Interruptions) I am only asking a question. I don't know that is why I am asking.

SHRI SHATRUGHAN SINHA: I have not come to that point yet. I have not said that. I am saying something else.

PROF. P.J. KURIAN: Shrimati Jayaji has said, "Switch off". But switch off can be only after seeing it. That is the problem.

SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN: But, Sir, how would you know whether it is proper or not proper if you don't see it. You have to first see something and then you switch off. First you have to see and it registers in your mind, then, you switch off. You can't pre-empt it.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Or go for CAS! (Interruptions)

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, the debatable question is this. Whether something obscene should be permitted. Why should it be permitted? After seeing, we can switch off.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: But, somebody has to see.

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: No, no, somebody...(Interruptions)... You chaired the Censor Board. (Interruptions) It is in the interest of the nation.

SHRI SHATRUGHAN SINHA: Sir, I tend to agree with him. Sir, my point was ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: We know that you will agree with good suggestions.

SHRI SHATRUGHAN SINHA: I know you are a good man. You will only come up with goods suggestion. (Interruptions)

SHRI HARISH RAWAT: You are the only good man in BJP. (Interruptions)

SHRI SHATRUGHAN SINHA: Thank you very much. I hope my other colleagues do not take it seriously. (Interruptions)

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