PREVIOUS HOUR

SK/3.00/2t

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY (CONTD.): This is an opportunity for them to get economic strength to empower themselves and bring women together from all spheres of life to fight for their rights, for a cause. Seeing that the overall empowerment of women is crucially dependent on economic empowerment, women, through these Self-Help Groups, work on a range of issues, such as, health, nutrition, agriculture, forestry, etc., besides income generation activities and seeking micro trading. Therefore, the main purpose of the women empowerment project is to organise the women into effective Self-Help Groups and through the Indira Gandhi National Open University Training Certificate Programme, empower women to prepare a cadre, a network of master trainers for the sustainability of these Self-Help Groups. In Karnataka, we have got one scheme, Sthree Shakti Scheme. Through that, Sir, we have given programmes. That has helped the women to get economic strength. They have been working and progressing. Their programmes are successful. And the ladies who are involved in those programmes have become a model for other States also. So, Sir, this empowerment of women will give them more strength, inner strength to face the society where atrocities are committed against these women, belonging to any caste. I don't say this caste or that caste or this religion or that religion. But, women as a class, they are a force to be reckoned with, and if we don't recognise them as a force in this country, we will be doing injustice, not only to the history but to the civilization also. Now, we are seeing the ladies, confident ladies, who can govern the nation. Sir, late Shrimati Indira Gandhi, as a woman, she had given such a strong administration. Not only that, she has given the heart to all the sections, particularly, the weaker sections, as a mother. So, my submission would be, when we recognise their strength, as it has been done by Mr. Nitish Kumar, the hon. Chief Minister of Bihar, by providing 50 per cent reservation to women in all the Panchayati Raj institutions. He has become the first person to do that. So, he is a role model. He has got faith in women strength and he says that they can serve better in administration also. That is his thinking. So, is this thinking justified? There are women in the country, in the world, who have shown that they are capable. Even in the Cabinet here, even in the earlier Government's Cabinet also, we have seen women working effectively. They have proved that they are no less than men in governing the country. So, my submission would be that it is good that the Bill has been brought forward; and we hope we have got a Minister, a capable Minister, and she is more than a man, dealing with men also. The question is very simple, whether she will be in a position to apply her mind and bring it before the Cabinet; and whether she will be in a position to convince the Cabinet that it should be provided 33 per cent reservation to women during your rule. I say if you provide 33 per cent of reservation to women in the jobs in the Central Government, public sector undertakings, organised sector and even in the private sector, they may not object. But, you have to show your mettle. You have to show your strength. Power may come and go. It is not permanent. (Contd. by YSR-2u)

-SK/YSR/3.05/2U

SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY (CONTD.): You have seen the power, and we have also seen the power. But what we do is the most important thing for the day. You have to show your mettle and say that yes, here is a provision. I am dead sure that Mrs. Sonia Gandhi will support you. By providing this reservation, you do your best. Let us expose the people, who are going to oppose, inside the Cabinet or outside the Cabinet also. Let us see that. So, for this purpose, I submit before you, Sir, that this Bill has to be supported subject to one rider. As far as the provision regarding the State Governments is concerned, we have to see whether it is maintainable. With these words, I conclude, Sir. (Ends)

ֵָ߮ ִ (֬ Ϥ) : ֳ֬ , ׮ֵ֮ (ֆ ׻֋ ָ) ׾֬, 2005 ߴ֟ ֵ ß , ִ֣Ԯ , ß־ ֆ ׻֋ ֳ ָ ׮֮֟ ־ֿ - ׯ֔ ן, ד֟ ן ד֟ ֮֕ן ֆ ָ פ ֵ , ֟ߕ ׮ ֆ ֛ š ֵ - ӓֵ֟ , ָ׻֋ , ָ ׮ִ ׻֋ ׮׿֟ ֨ ֋, Ͽ֮ , ־ã ׻֋ ׾֬ ׸ ־ֿ

, ָ Ӭ Ù subject , ׮׿֟ Ù subject , ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ֳ ֆ ׻֋ ָ ־ã ֻ ׾ֳ֮֬, ֳ ֕ ֳ ׻֋ , ׻ ׻֋ ָ ־ֿ - ׸ , , ׮ִ ꅠ ֆ ָ ָ 33 ןֿ֟ , ׮׿֟ ֻ օ : ߴ֟ ֵ ׾֬ ִ֣Ԯ ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״) : ָ ӟ ־ ִֵ ״ֻ ߤָ , ֯ ׻֋

MS. PRAMILA BOHIDAR (ORISSA): Sir, the Public Employment (Reservation for Women) Bill is a noble step to empower women.

The statement of objects and reasons clearly states why such a law is required. There have been several laws in force to provide justice, relief, and dignity to women in our society. Proper implementation and execution of these laws have shown positive results. Women, who form nearly 50 per cent of the population, have benefited from such steps.

But economic empowerment has not received much attention in the case of women. Women have proved that they are not only as good as men, but are also better. This has been proved this year in the results of the All-India Civil Services Examination. The first position has been secured by a young lady. There are so many instances when women have proved that they are better than men. This is an indication that they need a better deal. This Bill is a step towards that direction.

There have been several attempts to provide better representation to women in Parliament and State Legislatures. But the Governments in the past and also present have not taken any steps to introduce the Bill for Reservation for women in our legislatures. But I am hopeful that sooner or later this will be done. (Contd. by VKK/2W)

AKG-VKK/2W/3.10

MS. PRAMILA BOHIDAR (CONTD): Now, at least, a small step, this Bill, must receive due consideration of this House and deserves to be adopted. If this is enacted, in my opinion, there will be two positive results. First, women of worth will be able to contribute their talent and ability in public service and public governance. Their representation will reflect the hopes and aspirations of women, who are a major force in the society. Secondly, these employed women in the organised public sector will contribute substantially to their family income. This will help to strengthen the family economy and the standard of living. In addition, women will be involved in public governance and this will break the sense of isolation and rejection in the society.

The great leader, late Biju Patnaik, who is the guardian-angel of my party, Biju Janata Dal, was emphatic in his view that only women could save this country from ruin and chaos. He was the first in the country to reserve one-third of seats in Panchayati Raj institutions for women well before the Constitutional amendment. He appointed tribal women as advisers for policy-making for tribal areas and gave tribal women police powers to enforce prohibition. He was the first to reserve 30 per cent of all Government jobs for women candidates 14 years ago as Chief Minister of Orissa.

I, therefore, not only whole-heartedly support the Bill, but also urge upon this House to adopt it and enact the law. It will be a fitting tribute to the memory of our great leader, late Biju Patnaik. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

. ϳ (֕ã֮) : ֮־֤ ֳ֬ ߅ ߴ֟ ֵ ָ ß ' ׮ֵ֮ (ֆ ׻֋ ָ) ׾֬, 2005', ֆ ׻֋ ׸ ָ ִ׮֟ , þ֟ , ֤ ָ ֓ԋ , ֆ ׾ ׻֋, ֮ ׻֋, ׻֋, , ߛ ֮֓ ׻֋, ָ ָ ׻֋, ֮ ֮ ָָ ֮ ֆ ִ׮֟ ֛ ֯ ֮ ֮ ֆ ָ ֮֓ ׻֋ 'ָ ߛ ׮־ָ ׾֬' ' ָ׬ָ ӿ֮ ׾֬', ֆ ٣ ֿ֌ ֛ ֯ ׾֬ ׸ ֛ ׾ָ֓ ֕ ֺ ֺ ׻֋ ֟ ֆ ֿ֌ , ֳ ֟ , ֲ ׾ָ֓ ָ ָ ׮ִֵ ֮ ֮, ֿ֌ ׻֋ ֺ , ִ֕ ֕ , , ׯ֔ ݵ ֤֕ ֮ ֤ ֕ ֆ ãן ֮ߵ ֻ ׿ ֱ ׾ , ׻֋ ֜ , ׿֟ ׾׳֮ ֋, ֛ ֮ ֯ ϴ֟ , ֮ ݵ֟ ϴ֟ , ׸ֻ ױ ָ , 100 ֤ ֲ֤ ֻ ִ , ֋, דֵ ָ ֻ ָ ֮ , ևָ ֜ ֟ , ״֛ ֜ ֟ (2/֋֋ ָ ֿ:)

2X/HMS-RSS/3.15

0 ϳ (֟) : ׿ ֻ ָ ֮ ֲָָ ֟ ֲ ֋ ׿֟ , ׻֋ ֮ ׿ ״ֻ ֮ ׻֋ ׿֟ ֺ ׻֋ ִ ןֳֻֿ ֛ , ׮֬Ԯ ׻֋ , ٣ ™ ִ֣ , ָ ׿ פ֮ ׻֋ ־֮֬ ֕ -- ׿, , ֕ Ӳ׬֟ , ׾֮ Ӳ׬֟ , ָ ןֳֻֿ ׻֋ ׻֋ ׿ ד֟ ׸ָ ٣ ™ ִ ֜ , ׻֋ ׮ֿ ׿ ־ã ֺ דֵ , ׻ֆ ֟-׮ֳԸ ֮֮ , þ־ֻӲ ֮֮ ָ ״ֻ

֮־ָ, ָ׬ָ ӿ֮ ׾֬ ָ ֛ ִ ׸ָ , ִ֕ ׫ߵ ãן ֮ , ֤־ ֵ ִו ו ֤֮ ׾ָ֓ ׾֬ ָָ օ ִ֕ ֛ ֤߯ ֛ ֵָ ֮ ִ ֋ և ֛ ֤߯ ׻֋ , ֟ , ٣ ֤֮ ׸ָ ָ- ִ ֻ֟ ֲ ׻ֆ ִ֮ ״ֻ ׮׿֟ ׾ָ֓ ׻ ִ֕ ׫ߵ ֟ , ֋߅ ֺ ָ ׿ ־ , ֛ ׸ָ , ִ֕ ֮֮ Ͼע ָ ֻ ׿֟ ִ֕ ֮ և ֓ ָ ֛ ֋ ֻ, ֛ ׻֋ ׻ ֟ Ͼע ָ ֮ ׻֋ ָָ ֯ ׾֬ ֵ ו ִ֮ ӯע ߤָ ״ֻ ֟ ֮ ٣ ֿ֌ ãן ִ֕ , ׸ָ ֿ֌ ו ָ , ߛ ׌ ״ֻ߅ ֣ ֮ ֮ ֮ ָ ׌ ֮֮ ֮ , ֤־ ֋օ

, ֲ ִ֕ ִֵ ׻֋ ָ ־ֻ ߔ ֕ , ֟ ױ 00/00 , ׯ֔ ֋ ֋ , ݵ ִ֕ , ִֵ ֻ ãן ֆ ֮ , - ֟ ֮ ֯ ֤ ֵ֮ ׾ ׻֋, ֮ ׻֋, ֮ ׻֋ ֮ ֯և ֟ ֮ ן ֮ ׾ ׻֋ ߾֮ פ ִ֕ ִֵ ֮ և ֋ ֿ֌ , ֲ֕ ֜ Ϭ֮ ִ֕ ֲ ו

֟ ָ ֛ ֻ ֿ֌ , ָ ֕ ֮ ִ ׾ ֛ ֻ?

, ֛ ֮֟ ו֮ և ׾ָ֓ ֌ , ֛ ֲ֕ ֣ ֮ ׾ָ֓ ֟ ֲ ֆ ִ ֿ֌ ֟ ֟ ִו ֿ֌, ֿ֌ ֣ ֮֕ן ֿ֌ ֺ ״ ׮ֳ֟ (2/ֵ ָ ֿ:)

PSV-MKS/2Y/3.20

0 ϳ (֟) : , ֲ ֮֕ן ֿ֌ ֟ ִִ ֆ, ֤ , ֤ ׾֮֬ ֳֆ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ִ ָ ֋ , ֲ פ ׾ָ֓ ֟ ָ ֆ ָ ׾֬, ֮ ֤ ״֟ ? ָָ և ֻ ևՅ ָ, ׻֋ ֲ ׻֯ ִ פ֟ ׾֬ ׸ , ֆ ֮֕ן ֿ֌ , ״ֻ֮ ,

ֲ ֤ ֟ , ָ ֟ ֋ ֕ ߅ ֆ ָ , , ָ ֕ ֻ ֋ ֲ-ֲ ֢ և , , ׮ Ӭ , ו֮ ִ ׾ ֮ ֵ - ֋ , ײΙ ָ ָ , ߻ ݻ֤ ß֮ , ֋ ֲ և , ֮ ֯ ϴ֟ , ָ ״ֻ, ָ ?

ֆ ׻֋, ֮ ׻֋ ָ ָ ָ Ӆ ֲ ֋, ׾֟ , ִ ֮ ֤֮ , ֳ ֋ ֜ , ִ ׾ ֟ ו ָ ֋ ֮ , , ֳ ֆ ׾ օ ֮־ָ, ֻ ׾֮֬ ֳֆ ֳ ָ ֓ ֮ ֮ ֮ , ׻֋ ִו ָ ֤־ ־ֿ , ֳ ֤־ օ

, ָָ ׸ ָ פ ֮ ִ֓ , ֕ã֮ ׯ֔ ָָ ִֵ , ֲ ׯ֔ ָָ , ׸ ֆ ׻֋ 30 ןֿ֟ ָ ־ã և ߅ ָ, ִ ߕ ֆ ָָ ׸ ״ֻ 33 ןֿ֟ ָ ״ֻ, ֲ ־ã , ֲ ׻ֵ ֋, ָ ׸ ֻ ֟ ָ ݮ-ָֆ ֆ ָ , ֲ ֮֟ ׻֋ ֲ ־ã 33 ןֿ֟ ָ פ ֋, ־ã , ֲ ִו ֵ ״ֻ ֺ , ֋ ֜-׻ , ׿֟ , ױ , ֙ , ׸ ״ֻ ֮ ִ ׻֋ ָ ֮֮ ֆ ֟ ߅ , ׻֋ ־ã ֺ ָ ״ֻ 33 ןֿ֟ ָ ־ã ׮֙ظ ֺ , ָָ , 30 ןֿ֟ ָ פ ֮ ־֕ ֆ ֮ ֤ ָ ֋ , ״ֻ ֟ ֳ ׾֮֬ ֳֆ ׻֋ ֟ ֮ ֋ ֋! ָ , ֋ ־ ׻֋ ״ֻ ? ֯ ׾֬ ׸ ׸ ӓֵ֟ ã֮ߵ ׮ֵ ״ֻ ֋? ״ֻ և ֋! ֆ և ֕ 9 ֳ ֮ ן׮׬ ӓֵ֟ և? ֲ ֋ Ѿ ־ ֛ և ֮ ִ , ָ ֤ ׾֮֬ ֳֆ ֆ ֻ ֋, ־ã ֮

ָ ֕ ׸ ׻֋ ׿֟ ֛ ֆ ָ ״ֻ, ׮׿֟ ׻֋ ׮֙ظ , ֮ ֮ ׮֙ظ ֮ ֆ ֋

־ ִ ֟ ֋, ֵ ֕ ׮ֵ֮ ֤ ׮ֵ׌ֵ ֆ ָ , ִ ֤ ׮ֵ׌ֵ ֣ ֤ꮮע ֋ , ֤ꮮע , ֮ ֆ ׻֋ 33 ןֿ֟ ָ , ָ ֮ ֟ ֮ ִֵ ֆ ִ֮ ֛ ׾ ãןֵ ִ֮ ֟

(2z/ 000 ָ ֿ:)

2Z/klg-tmv/3.25

0 ϳ (֟) : ֆ ß֮ ׾ֵ - ݮ-ָֆ ãןֵ ִ֮ ֟ , ו֮ ָ ֮ ֿ ֟ ߅ ָ ׾ ֮ֆ ָ ݵ ֆ ϴ֮ פ ֟ , ϴ֮ ד֟ פ ֟ - ִ֮ ֟ ֟ , - ׸ãןֵ ִ֮ ֟ , ו֮ ִ֮ ֲ ָ , ׸ ָ ֮ ϴ֮ , ׻֋ ִ ֮ ־ֿ ָָ ׸ , ֕ 33 ןֿ֟ ָ ׮׿֟ ֆ ׻֋ ׵ ֻ֟ ִ ׮ָָ ֮ ߅

, ײֻ ִ֣Ԯ ֱ ֮ ֆ ֕ , ׾֬־ , ׸֌ , ׮ָ֟, ׮֬Ԯ á ֋ ֮֟ ֯ ֆ ו֮֟ ֿ֌ , ו֮֟ ֲֻ , ֮ ֲֻ , ֮ ִ֕ ֲֻ օ ׻֋ ֋ ֋, ôָ ֮֮ߵ ֕߾ Ӭ , ו֮ ֮ ֣ ִ ו֮ ׾ָ֓ ִ ָָ , ָ ־ ֲ Ϭִ֮ӡ , ִ օ ֕߾ Ӭ , ֕ ֆ ִ ßָ ֮֕׮ Ӹ ״ֻ ֵ , 33 ןֿ֟ ָ ״ֻ ֵ , ֲ , , ֲ ׾֮֬ ֳֆ ֤ ߅ ֮ פ ֮

, ו֮ ףֵ ִ֣Ԯ ׾ָ֓ פ , ߠ ִִ ֮֕ן ֮֕ן ִֻ ֮֕ן ־֮ ָ ֟ , ֮־ ן, á ן ֵ ־ֻ ָ á ֟ , ֻ , ׌-þֺ , ֮־ߵ ֿ ָ֤ ֻ , ָ ֋ ִֵ ֵ ֆ ׻֋, ִ֕ ׻֋ , ֋Ӆ áֵ , ו֮ ٟ, ֯õ ٟ, ִ֟ ٟ, ׌ ٟ ֵ , ָ ִ֓ ֕ ֲֻ ־ֻ ָ ִ֮ ׿ ™ , ٣ ™ , ֮֕ן ™ ֲֻ ֮ ֮֟ Ӿ׮ ֲֻ ׻֋ ֮ ֮֋ ֟ , ָ ֻ ֮ ֮ օ ֮ ֳ ״ֻ, ָ߲ ֳ ״ֻ, ָ ֮ օ ֟ , ׾֬ ֟ , ֓ԋ ֮ ֮֟ , ָ ֋ ֵ ׻֋ ֙ , ֵ ״ֻ֟ Ù- ֻ֟ ֮ և, ֮ ֮ ֋, ֵ ֮ ֋, ֵ ׻֋ ߟ ֟ ׻֋ ָ߲ ֋ ֋ ֮ ִֵ ֙ ׻֋ օ ֮ ֺ , ׮׿֟ כ ֆ ֮ ֳ ׮׿֟ ׬ ״ֻ ֋ ֳ ֮ ֳ ָ ֻ ׻֯-ִ ֋օ

, ӟ ׌ֵ -

ָ ֓ ָ

ִ ׻ֵօ

ֆ ֲֻ ־ֻ ֲ ׸ ָ ״ֻ, ֋ ׮׿֟ ֿ֌ ߅ ֲ ֣ ׾֬ ׻֋ ֵ ֮־֤ ֬և ֮־֤ (ִ֯)

ָ֕ (ֻ֓ Ϥ) : ֳ֬ , ߴ֟ ֵ ָ ß " ׮ֵ֮ (ֆ ׻֋ ָ) ׾֬, 2005 ִ֣ ֮ ׻֋ ֛ ָ ׾֬ ָ ֤ ֮ ֛ ֤ , ו ֟ -"֡ ָ 敵ӟ, ӟ ֡ ֟:" ִ ׻֮ , á ִ ֟ , ֵָ߮, ֵָ ִ ֣ ִ ֟ , ָ ߟִָ ߟ ִ ֟ ִ ִ ֤ ֟ ִֵ ָ ֆ ã֮ ֯ , ֵ֤ ֕ ָ ֲ ֯ 3/ ָ

AKA-RG/3A/3:30

ָ֕ (֟) : ֕ ָ , ֮ ã֮ ֮֮ ׻֋, ִ֕ ֮ ãן ֯ ׻֋ ָ ׾֬ ֮ ־ֿ ֛ և , ִ֟ ׻֋ ן ֮ ־ֿ

ָ ֓߮ ִ֕ , ָ 0 ϳ ֿ׌, ׌ þֺ - ֲ ָ ׻֋ ֟ , ß־ ֓߮ ֻ ָ ã֮ ׌ þֺ , ã֮ ֯ օ ֮ , ׾֪ , ׌ þֺ , ֲ ָ ֯ , ָ ֻ ָӡֻ , ו ֻ ָ֬߮ , ׾֤ ӟֆ ןֵ ß֮ ָ , ֤ ָ ָ ִ֕ ׻֟, ֟ כ ֵ, ֣-֣ ָ ׌ þֺ ִ֕ , ֕ ֬ ֮֟ , ֳ 50 ןֿ֟ , ָ ׻֟ ֟ ֮ פ ֵօ ß־ ָߵ ִ֕ ӟֆ ֮֓ ׻֋ ָ ϣ֋ ָ ß֮ ֤ ϣ , ß֮ þֵӾָ , וִ ׬ָ ֮ ן ֵ֮ þֵ , ָ ֻ ָ, וִ ׾֤ ןֵ ָ , ִ֕ ֮֓ ׻֋, ָ ׾ֳןֵ , ׌ þֺ, þֺ, þֺ, ו ָ ֟ , ֮֓ ׻֋, ִ֕ ָ ־ã֋ ִֵ ־ֿ ֛, ֤ ϣ ֮ ֛ Ӆ ֕ ãן և פ ן ־֮ ֋ ֟ ֟ ֛ ֕ ָ ãן ָ֮ , ָ , ױ ָ֓ ֲ , ָ ӛ ֛ ֓㋿֮ ֲ ֤ ָ֓ ִ֕ ֟ כ ָ , ׻ ֆ ָ ֕ ׾ןֵ ־ֿ ֟ ֕ ׸ָ , ִ֕ ™ , ן Ϭ֮ Ϭ֮ ֮ ָ ãֆ ָ ָ ֮ ϵ , ִ ֮ ֱ֟ ֯ ׻֋ ֮ ־ֻ, ָ ֟, ֻ Ӥ ֮ ָ ӟ׸ և ָ ֕ ֮֕ן , ׮ֵ ֲ ֛-֛ , ϴ , ָ , ֆ ׾ֿ ã֮ ֯ ָ Ͽ֮ ֆ ֛ ֤֮ þ֟ӡ֟ ִ þ֟ӡ֟ ִ ָ þ֟ӡ֟ Ӥ֮ , 1857 Ӥ֮ , ֮ ־ ֟ ִ ֟ , ֮ և ִ ׻֋ ׮ֵ , ִ֕ , ָ ϟ , ָ ״ֻ , ָ ֮ ׾ֿ֟ פև

֟Դ֮ ִֵ ֲ Ͽ֮ ֟ Ͽ׮ , ׬ ׬ ָ ֋ ִ , ֬ ־֤ , ™ָ֓, ֕ ִ֕ ֮ ֵ ֟ ϟ ã֮ ָ ײ֮ ™ָ֓ ִ , פ PWD 10 ןֿ֟ 20 ןֿ֟ ׬ָ ß ֮ ֵ , ִֵ Ͽ֮ ָ ֲ ™, ײֻ ™ ָ ֲ ֲ ™ և ֟ , ã֮ ָ և ֟ , ָ ֋ ׬ָ ԓָ , ã֮ ֲ ™ ãן

('3B/SCH' ָ ָ)

SCH/3b/3.35

ָ֕ (֟): ָ ױ׿֋ ־ֻ ֮ ߙ ָ ־ֻ , ִ ָ ϴ֟ פև ׌ ֲ ִ ֻֻ ׬ָ ֟ , ִ ֤ ָ ֻ֮ ֕ ֵԻֵ ֟

ֲ ӓֵ֟ ֕, ָ ׻ ָ ׮ִ ָ ָ ־ֻ , ׻֋ þ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֕߾ Ӭ ָ 73 74 ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ֵ ֵօ ӓֵ֟ Ӥ ֆ ָ ָ 1988-89 ָ ״ֻ ֵօ

ֻ֓ Ϥ ܵ ӡ ӟ ָ ֲ ֻ֓ Ϥ ־ , ֲ 1990 1991 ӓֵ֟ ֕ ֆ ׻֋ 30 ןֿ֟ ָ ־ã ߅ 1996 ־ ֤ ֳ ã֮ ָ 33 ןֿ֟ ָ ֵ ...(־֮֬)

ߴ֟ ׾֯־ : , ִ ֕߾ օ

ָ֕: , օ ֟ ֮֯ , ֕߾ ִ ׻ֵ , ֵ֤ ִֵ ֯ ...(־֮֬)

ߴ֟ ׾֯־ : , ӟ ָ ִ ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״): ֯ ֮ ֟

ָ֕: , ӟ ָ ֯ ו̻ , ׻֋ ֯ ִ ֮ , ֣

ֳ֬: ִֵ ֮ ֺ , ׻֋ ֲ ֯ ֮ ָ ֋, ֲ ׻֋օ

ָ֕: ן ֣ ß־ ֲ ֕߾ Ӭ 1988-89 ָ ׾ָ֓ , ִֵ ׾֮֬ ӿ֮ ֋ , ֲ ִָ ־ Ϭ֮ ӡ ֮, ֲ ӿ֮ ֋ ֯ ֤ 1991 ...(־֮֬)

ֳ֬: ֯ ֮ ֟ ׻֋, ֮֮ߵ ֤õ ֟ ־ֲ ֺ

ָ֕: , ׳ֵ֯ ֵ ֮ օ ָ כ ־ֻ , ־ֻ ֋ ֱ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ãֆ , ָ ׮ִ ָ ׻ֆ ֟ Ϭ֮ ֮֟ , ָ ן ã֮ ָ ָ ִ-֕ - ֤ ָ ־ , Ӿ ו֮֟ ӓֵ֟ ִ ָ ֋ ִ , ָ ׾ ָ ִ

™ָ֓ ֟ , ֤ ׮׬ ׾ָ֟ , ݕ̌י ׬ӿ ָ ӓֵ֟ ֕ ã֋ ָ ֋ Ϭ֮ -Ϭ֮ ־ ֆ ܵ ֤ , ָ ֵ ִ֮ ֆ ܵ ֳ 33 ןֿ֟ ָ ׮ִ ָ ׻ֆ ו֮ ã֮ ָ ֤ ׮׬ ֟ , ֲ ֵ ד֟ ָ ִֵ ָ

׳ֵ֯ ֆ ו ã֮ ָ ִ פ ֵ , ß־ ִ ָ ִ֮ ֕ ָ ִו ãן ן ֣ ָ ֆ ã֮ ֯ , ׻֋ ֿ׌ ֟ ֛ ִ֕ ™ ֟ ãן ֤֮ ׻֋ ֕ ָ ־ֿ ֮ ß־ ָ , ׾֮֬ ӛ ־ ֤ ָ ֟ , ß֮ ֳ ֛ ֮-֮ ׮ֱÙ ָ ֟ ֟ ֆ ָ פ ֮ ָָ ֮֟ , ײֻ ֟ ֟Դ֮ ָָ ׮־ ߴ֟ ֵ ß־ , פ ֜ ׻֋ ϵ , օ ָ ָ -׮ֵ֮ ߵ ָָ ֵԻֵ , ӳ־ Ϥ ָָ ֟ ׻֋ ֕ ֮ ָ ָ Ϥ ָ ־ã ϵ פ ײֻ  ӛ ߕ̮ , ִ ֲ ד֟ ןֵ ֮-ןֵ ִו ãן ָ, ֟, ׻֟ כ ָ ָ פ ֵ , ִ֟ ןֵ ׬ ֟ כ ֟Դ֮ ֋ , ׻֋ ׸ ֆ ָ ־ֿ ָ ֣ , ׮־ ֆ ֿ׌ פ ֲ ֣ ֵ ָ ß ׾֬ ִ֣Ԯ ֮֮ߵ ֳ֯ן , ֮֯ ֮ ִֵ פ, ׻֋ ֯ ֳָ ֮־ִ֤֯)

3C/MCM/TDB ָ

TDB/3C/3.40

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (TAMIL NADU): Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, I am very happy to support the Bill moved by Shrimati Maya Singh. We have to appreciate her intention. Even though there are, as on date, 24 women Members who are representing their States in the Rajya Sabha, at least, five Members have come forward to support this Bill. I am very happy that women's awareness is to be much more increased because they are the people who have sacrificed their entire life for the family and for the society. But, at the same time, they were not recognised; they were not given the proper place, even from the first day of the birth as a girl child. If a girl child comes up, she is not given equal food, or, equal right and everything. Everything is prohibited for her at the very early stage itself. There is inequality between male and female as a child also. When our hon. Member Shrimati Maya Singh has come forward with a Bill to provide for, at least, 33 per cent reservation for women in jobs, we have to see, first of all, at least, 33 per cent reservation in education is given to them. We should see to it that they are getting the opportunity there. This 33 per cent reservation is a very moderate one. The women population is equal to that of the men. Therefore, they have to demand 50 per cent reservation. Even as many of our hon. Members have quoted the religious mind of the Indians, or, to say 'ardhanareeshwar' i.e., half of the human being is male and half female. This was the way of thinking in the earlier days of our society. But, gradually, this right of half was made as a reduced one. Now, at least, they are demanding 33 per cent reservation. That is a very moderate demand. But, at the same time, I would like to appreciate the intention of the hon. Member who has brought forward this Bill. I request that awareness among girls and women should come and they should demand this as a right. Because you know very well, Sir, that under the Fundamental Rights, in article 15, I quote, "The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them." In the same article, clause (4) is for the purpose of education. That is also mentioned there. Dr. Ambedkar had very eloquently made the words. It says, "Nothing in this article or in clause 2 of the article 29 shall prevent the State from making any special provision for the advancement of any socially and educationally backward classes of citizens or for the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes." This amendment was made after the Shenbaganathan case of the Madras High Court, and Pandit Nehru had brought this first amendment to the Constitution of India. Here, the words used are, "socially and educationally backward classes of citizens." That means, the ladies should also have the right to demand as the socially and educationally backward classes of citizens.

THE MINISTER OF OVERSEAS INDIAN AFFAIRS (SHRI VAYALAR RAVI): That is the Supreme Court order.

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN: That is. As our hon. Minister Shri Vayalar Raviji has just said that it has also got the mandate of the Supreme Court in many of its decisions. But, the point to which I would like to draw the attention of this august House is, when there is a constitutional right which is given, how much of it is implemented for the past so many years, so many decades? How we, as the topmost institution of India, even in the world, there is no such institution which represents 100 crore of the people... (Contd. by 3d)

kgg/3d/3.45

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (contd.): ...how much risk this institution has taken in finding out whether this provision is properly implemented or not? In the same way, article 16 talks about the opportunities in employment. It says: "There shall be equality of opportunity for all citizens in matters relating to employment or appointment to any office under the State."

Article 16(2) says: "No citizen shall, on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, descent, place of birth, residence or any of them, be ineligible for, or discriminated against in respect of, any employment or office under the State." Here, equal opportunity is to be given. But this article now has got many amendments, even to the extent of 93rd Amendment, which was passed by this House in this year itself, where there is a provision for a right in private educational institutions as also in jobs and services in the Government of India appointments. Here, I request the august House to consider it and I also request the hon. Minister to come forward with data as to the extent of representation given for men in the higher institutions and the professional institutions.

We know very well that there are many agitations going on regarding the IIT and IIM reservations for backward classes and other people. But how many people are represented on the basis of sex? I would like to put a question: Has the 50 per cent or 33 per cent reservation come in the IIMs and IITs? Because, as taxpayers, we are spending huge sums of money on these. Normally, I think, an amount of about Rs.5 crores is spent by the Government of India for each student when he comes out of the IIT. But what is happening for the past five decades is that when students are educated, they are not staying here and they are not having an obligation for our country. Our tax payer's money is being utilised for their education, the topmost and excellent education. They do not think that they have got an obligation, a karma to repay, to serve these masses. They have obtained excellent education and they have to work here and see to it that the society comes up to the level, where the IIT and IIM students' services are utilised to the maximum.

But, unfortunately, I can very well say that majority of the people have gone out, to Western countries, especially to America and Europe and they have enriched those people, the citizens of America and the citizens of Europe. They are enriching those people! They call themselves 'superpower' but we are making them like that because of our knowledge; our students migrate to those places and they are becoming rich and we are becoming poorer--because we are paying the taxpayers' money for the development of Western countries and not for our country.

Therefore, this is the highest time to see to it that if a person has graduated from IIT or IIM, he should have an obligation, just like in the medical service--these students should be serving in the Indian concern for, at least, five years; or else, they need to repay the money for which they have been given concession because our money is utilised for the welfare of the Western countries. I request the Minister to come out with a data on the number of people migrating from India after graduating from IIT or IIM. In the same way, he should come out with a data to mention how many ladies have been given opportunities. Now, Mayaji is demanding for a 33 per cent reservation to women. I would like to know whether that 33 per cent reservation is given to women in IITs or IIMs or any other professional institution. Which institution has 50 per cent or 33 per cent opportunities for getting excellent education or skill development? In which way can they develop? Without education or skill development, you cannot have job, at all. You can simply be a labourer.

But we need implementation of article 39 which talks about equal wages. I would like to know from the Minister whether Equal Wages Act is fully complied with in our Indian context. I just would like to quote article 39 of the Constitution of India where the Directive Principles of the State Policy and the judgments have to be considered when a Bill comes up before the Legislature. (Contd. by 3e)

KLS/3E-3.30

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (CONTD): The article says, "The State shall, in particular, direct its policy towards securing- (a) that the citizens, men and women equally, have the right to an adequate means of livelihood;..." Are they giving it to them? Is the nation giving it to them? In which way is this being violated? This Constitutional mandate is violated. In the same way, the subsequent clause (d) says, " there is equal pay for equal work for both men and women;" We may be having law. Even in the law, namely, the Wages Act, we can very well see that it is not giving an equal right. It is not implemented properly. Wages for the females are less than the wages of the males. We have got very good laws and very good Constitutional provisions. We also sign a lot of international covenants every day. We are the first party to these international covenants. We are arguing for them. In which way are we implementing them? I am speaking from the topmost forum of India. In which way this forum is scrutinising them? How are they implementing it? How many covenants have we already signed? We have committed ourselves to them. We have got laws. We have already got a Constitutional mandate. How is it being implemented? If they are properly implemented, I do not think Mayaji had to come with this motion demanding the Government, 'you please give at least 33 per cent reservation in the employment opportunities." Therefore, It is high time and especially I request hon. Members for females. We have got an obligation. A male cannot say, I will give birth to a female, I will marry a female and have a female child, but at the same time, not have equality for my mother, for my wife or my daughter. I have to give it. In the same way, I request that the forum should take up the issue. We were glad that Rajivji had taken up the issue of reservation for women in Panchayati Raj system. We can even quote that 8 lakh 90 thousand and odd women are represented from the local Panchayat wards to the top level of Zila Parishads. They may be cultivating themselves gradually. They may be taking their own time for educating them. The accountability and reasonability is given less and less to them. I can give many examples where the Zila Parishad chairmen representing lady quota is occupied by the males or husbands. They are coming and they are dominating. They are issuing orders in the name of their wives. This is not prohibited. It has to be prohibited that husband who is taking the right of the lady should be prosecuted. He is defrauding the legal provision. How can officers obey their orders? How can he be allowed to sit in office and say that my wife is the chairperson but I am commanding you." That means they are defrauding. Therefore, they would be prosecuted under the Indian Penal Code. There should be a strict law by which the female should be protected first of all. Whatever rights they are having, those should be protected first. Then we have to see that whatever rights we have already given to them, whatever rights they have been given already by the Constitution, by statutory provisions and by covenants have to be protected. They have to be implemented. I feel sorry, Sir, even after so many decades female Members have to demand their own birthright. It is their birthright. We cannot say that you do not have this right. They have got this right, but they are demanding in a very meek manner by bringing a motion. They are not agitating. They have very motherly attitude towards us. They are very sympathetic towards us. They are even giving food or even wealth and everything to every male. But the male has to respond to it. As human beings, we have got an obligation to see that the females are respected. On that basis, I thank again Mrs. Maya Singh who has come forward with this Bill giving a chance of thinking to us in this topmost forum. Thank you. (Ends) (Followed by 3F)

MP/3F/3.55

. .. ֻ (ӕֲ) : ֳ֬ , ֯ ֮־֤ ֮ ֯ ׾֮֟ ׾֬ ָ, ָ ׾ָ֓֬߮ , ֮ ֯ , ִ֣ ֮֯ ֮ ׻֋ և פօ

ֳ֬ ( ָ֕ ״ ) : ָ ֯ ִ , ֻ ִԻ ֟ , ̸ , ֤ օ

. .. ֻ : ָ, ֺ օ ִֻ , ӲӬ ߕ ֲ פև ֺ ׻֋ ֤ ׾ָ֓ ־ֿ , ִ֗֟ ָ ִ֕ , ָ ָ ִ , ֮ ָ߱ , ִ , ֕ ֵ֤ ׮ ? ָ ִ , "" , ִ ָ ֻ ֮ ֮ ֵ -

" ֮ ֵ,

ו֟ ִ ֮֕˅"

Ӳ , ָ և ִ ׻ ָ ֲֻ ָ ӣ ֜ , ֤ , ֛ , ֮֮ ֲָָ , ֣ ֛ ֕ ֻ ִ ִ֕ ָ ߔ ӕֲ, ׸, ֕ã֮ ֯ ֕ , ֲֻ, ״֕ -Ù Ù , ו֮ - ֯ ֛ , ֲֻ ָ ׿ֵ ֲ ֕ ֟-֚ և ߲ ֟ ֛ ָ , ױ ֤ ׻֋ ָ ӟ ֛ ָߤ ֟ ֲ ֟ , ׻ֵ֟ ? ָ ӕֲ , ֵ ֈ , ֮ , ֮ ֮ , ֮ ֮-߮ , ֛ ֮ և , ֮֮ ֛օ ׻֋ ֟ פ ֟ ׾֟ ֤ ָ Ӿ ֟ ֮֟ , ߕ ӕֲ ֓ ֻ , ß-ß ӟ ֮ , ָ ִ , ָ և ֮ ָ, ֟ ֕ ֮ , ֱ ֮ ֟ ־֮Դ , Ù ־֮Դ ֮ , ֮ ֜և ׻֋ ֮ פ ֋ ֛, ׯ֟ , ֮ ߸ ֛ , ָ ױ , ֛ , ㋿֮ ֜և, , ֛, ֲ, ֓ , Ϭ֮ ӡ ֓ ֮֜ ֻ , ֲ ֋, ֲ ֛ ֜ ֟ ֱ ֜, ׻ ָ ֳ֟, ָ ӟ, ָ ֜ ïױ ߕ ׸ ׸־֮ ֟ , ִ - ߕ ָ ׻ ӛ ׿ֵָ - ֻܵ ׯ֔ ֮ ֵ ׻ ֛ ָ ֜և ֋ ׾ֵֻ֟ ֛ ô֙ ֛ ï, ָֻ֤ Ùֻ , ֛ ֟ ֯ ָ ״ֻ ׻֋ ״׮Ù ֌ ־ֲ פ , , Ù ִֻ , , Ù ׻ , ׻ 25 ָ, 30 ָ ֛ ָ ֋, ӛ ֵ ֋օ כÙ וÙ ָ כÙ , ֤ ֋߅ ֯ ֛ ן և ֟ , , ָ 25 ָ Ù ָ ׻֋, ߱ ? ֺ ֣ כ׿ֵָ ֯ ָ߱ , ֻ , ִ ֮ ָ ׸־֮ ָ ™ן ו , ֲָ ָ ֯ע ߅ (3 G/ASC ָ ֿ:)

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